Perry's Voice Is Like Butter...

[Saint John]

lol...Journey ballads in baritone.

[Monstrock]

lol...Journey ballads in baritone.

[RossValoryRocks]

lol...Journey ballads in baritone.

Ok...but what do you know? I never knew you were a voice coach or a song writer...oh wait...you are just a fan who likes a very particular sound...all well and good...but don't stand here and preach like you are some musical fucking genius...My OPINION is that Jeff would sound fine doing these songs...your OPINION is that he wouldn't but come off you high horse you are no voice expert, just a fan of Journey. Though you used to be a fan of Jeff too...now you run him down every chance you get.

[Saint John]

lol...Journey ballads in baritone.

Ok...but what do you know? I never knew you were a voice coach or a song writer...oh wait...you are just a fan who likes a very particular sound...all well and good...but don't stand here and preach like you are some musical fucking genius...My OPINION is that Jeff would sound fine doing these songs...your OPINION is that he wouldn't but come off you high horse you are no voice expert, just a fan of Journey. Though you used to be a fan of Jeff too...now you run him down every chance you get.

- I never claimed to be an expert on anything.

- I think Journey hired the best person for the job out of those considered over the last few years. Sales seem to be reflecting that as well.

- I was never a fan of Jeff in Journey. I supported the lineup...just like I have all lineups. The day I don't I'll be gone. Plain and simple.

[Deb]

- I think Journey hired the best person for the job out of those considered over the last few years. Sales seem to be reflecting that as well.

Because of the "Journey" name and "duplicate" legacy voice still attached to it. Case in point, while listening to the new cds in the car yesterday, my daughter (who is only a "casual" Journey fan) thought it was Perry singing until a couple songs in........then noticed a few subtle differences and I told her it was the new guy named Arnel and showed her the back of the cd case. So the normal joe out there that hear it and don't know Perry is gone, won't even know the difference.

[Saint John]

- I think Journey hired the best person for the job out of those considered over the last few years. Sales seem to be reflecting that as well.

Because of the "Journey" name and "duplicate" legacy voice still attached to it. Case in point, while listening to the new cds in the car yesterday, my daughter (who is only a "casual" Journey fan) thought it was Perry singing until a couple songs in........then noticed a few subtle differences and I told her it was the new guy named Arnel and showed her the back of the cd case. So the normal joe out there that hear it and don't know Perry is gone, won't even know the difference.

Yawnnnnn. Nice try. The Wal Mart circular directly in front of the new package clearly states that the package contains the "debut of new singer Arnel Pineda." As do all of the articles online, the TV shows and articles in print. Ellen is the number 1 show in the land, having recently removed Oprah from that slot. People know who's singing in this package. The story has been everywhere. Thanks for playing, though!!!

[Deb]

- I think Journey hired the best person for the job out of those considered over the last few years. Sales seem to be reflecting that as well.

Because of the "Journey" name and "duplicate" legacy voice still attached to it. Case in point, while listening to the new cds in the car yesterday, my daughter (who is only a "casual" Journey fan) thought it was Perry singing until a couple songs in........then noticed a few subtle differences and I told her it was the new guy named Arnel and showed her the back of the cd case. So the normal joe out there that hear it and don't know Perry is gone, won't even know the difference.

Yawnnnnn. Nice try. The Wal Mart circular directly in front of the new package clearly states that the package contains the "debut of new singer Arnel Pineda." As do all of the articles online, the TV shows and articles in print. Ellen is the number 1 show in the land, having recently removed Oprah from that slot. People know who's singing in this package. The story has been everywhere. Thanks for playing, though!!!

I'm talking "casual" fans who don't read up on Journey articles and don't read the fine print on the advertising surrounding the display in Walmart and just hear it on the radio,etc. Besides us Journey fanatics, most people are just going to see the display in Walmart and go....."cool, liked their stuff".....and grab a copy. 90% of which aren't going to be able to name the band members.

Also, would love to hear your answer to something RVR touched on......you've never really said.....what are you getting out of running Jeff down every chance you get?

[Saint John]

- I think Journey hired the best person for the job out of those considered over the last few years. Sales seem to be reflecting that as well.

Because of the "Journey" name and "duplicate" legacy voice still attached to it. Case in point, while listening to the new cds in the car yesterday, my daughter (who is only a "casual" Journey fan) thought it was Perry singing until a couple songs in........then noticed a few subtle differences and I told her it was the new guy named Arnel and showed her the back of the cd case. So the normal joe out there that hear it and don't know Perry is gone, won't even know the difference.

Yawnnnnn. Nice try. The Wal Mart circular directly in front of the new package clearly states that the package contains the "debut of new singer Arnel Pineda." As do all of the articles online, the TV shows and articles in print. Ellen is the number 1 show in the land, having recently removed Oprah from that slot. People know who's singing in this package. The story has been everywhere. Thanks for playing, though!!!

I'm talking "casual" fans who don't read up on Journey articles and don't read the fine print on the advertising surrounding the display in Walmart and just hear it on the radio,etc. Besides us Journey fanatics, most people are just going to see the display in Walmart and go....."cool, liked their stuff".....and grab a copy. 90% of which aren't going to be able to name the band members.

Also, would love to hear your answer to something RVR touched on......you've never really said.....what are you getting out of running Jeff down every chance you get?

"Casual fans" read papers, surf the net and watch TV!!! Everyone does. So unless "The Unabomber" escaped and purchased Revelation I'm gonna assume that people know what they're buying. The excuses have come full circle. First, it wasn't gonna sell. Then it wouldn't sell in week 2. Now, it's the misguided Loonacy that people think they're buying something Perry is singng on. Pathetic.

As for "running down" Soto...I've merely stated facts and opinions grounded in said facts. I'm sorry people can't see that this guy is an average professional singer that can't tour domestically. That's not a "slam." It's a fact. And I've never called him one name.

[Deb]

- I think Journey hired the best person for the job out of those considered over the last few years. Sales seem to be reflecting that as well.

Because of the "Journey" name and "duplicate" legacy voice still attached to it. Case in point, while listening to the new cds in the car yesterday, my daughter (who is only a "casual" Journey fan) thought it was Perry singing until a couple songs in........then noticed a few subtle differences and I told her it was the new guy named Arnel and showed her the back of the cd case. So the normal joe out there that hear it and don't know Perry is gone, won't even know the difference.

Yawnnnnn. Nice try. The Wal Mart circular directly in front of the new package clearly states that the package contains the "debut of new singer Arnel Pineda." As do all of the articles online, the TV shows and articles in print. Ellen is the number 1 show in the land, having recently removed Oprah from that slot. People know who's singing in this package. The story has been everywhere. Thanks for playing, though!!!

I'm talking "casual" fans who don't read up on Journey articles and don't read the fine print on the advertising surrounding the display in Walmart and just hear it on the radio,etc. Besides us Journey fanatics, most people are just going to see the display in Walmart and go....."cool, liked their stuff".....and grab a copy. 90% of which aren't going to be able to name the band members.

Also, would love to hear your answer to something RVR touched on......you've never really said.....what are you getting out of running Jeff down every chance you get?

"Casual fans" read papers, surf the net and watch TV!!! Everyone does. So unless "The Unabomber" escaped and purchased Revelation I'm gonna assume that people know what they're buying. The excuses have come full circle. First, it wasn't gonna sell. Then it wouldn't sell in week 2. Now, it's the misguided Loonacy that people think they're buying something Perry is singng on. Pathetic.

I've never said it wouldn't sell, people like "Journey"....period.....great songs attached to their youth. But you're the one who is deluded if you think every single person who grabs the cd at Walmart can even name all the band members.

As for "running down" Soto...I've merely stated facts and opinions grounded in said facts. I'm sorry people can't see that this guy is an average professional singer that can't tour domestically. That's not a "slam." It's a fact. And I've never called him one name.

Uh NO, get it through your thick skull.....that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

[Saint John]

But you're the one who is deluded if you think every single person who grabs the cd at Walmart can even name all the band members.

I don't see this as having any relevance with people knowing Perry is not on the CD and Pineda is.

Uh NO, get it through your thick skull.....that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

Rehashing solo tour receipts, attendance, Top 40 hits and albums sold will only get me flamed by the malcontents. I'll pass.

[Deb]

But you're the one who is deluded if you think every single person who grabs the cd at Walmart can even name all the band members.

I don't see this as having any relevance with people knowing Perry is not on the CD and Pineda is.

Uh NO, get it through your thick skull.....that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

Rehashing solo tour receipts, attendance, Top 40 hits and albums sold will only get me flamed by the malcontents. I'll pass.

Oh puhlease there you go again, that has nothing to do with talent. Brittney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli have charted too...........must make them stellar singers huh? More image than substance. Times have changed, a lot of stellar singers and big name talent from years ago are playing smaller venues/clubs.....no shame in that whatsoever. But hey by all means, you run out and buy those Spears and Lohan tix, I'll pass.........I'd much rather see the likes of the Rik Emmetts, Eric Martins, JSS' out there in the clubs instead.

I never have, nor will I ever base my vocal preferences on sales or chart positions.

[Granny]

But you're the one who is deluded if you think every single person who grabs the cd at Walmart can even name all the band members.

I don't see this as having any relevance with people knowing Perry is not on the CD and Pineda is.

Uh NO, get it through your thick skull.....that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

Rehashing solo tour receipts, attendance, Top 40 hits and albums sold will only get me flamed by the malcontents. I'll pass.

Oh puhlease there you go again, that has nothing to do with talent. Brittney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli have charted too...........must make them stellar singers huh? More image than substance. Times have changed, a lot of stellar singers and big name talent from years ago are playing smaller venues/clubs.....no shame in that whatsoever. But hey by all means, you run out and buy those Spears and Lohan tix, I'll pass.........I'd much rather see the likes of the Rik Emmetts, Eric Martins, JSS' out there in the clubs instead.

I never have, nor will I ever base my vocal preferences on sales or chart positions.

Deb, you're fighting a losing battle here, so don't waste you time with him...JSS is 10x the performer than Arnel will ever be...He is only a GOOD singer not a great performer and voice like JSS...Give up with SJ, he is getting more ignorant by the day.

[Saint John]

But you're the one who is deluded if you think every single person who grabs the cd at Walmart can even name all the band members.

I don't see this as having any relevance with people knowing Perry is not on the CD and Pineda is.

Uh NO, get it through your thick skull.....that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

Rehashing solo tour receipts, attendance, Top 40 hits and albums sold will only get me flamed by the malcontents. I'll pass.

Oh puhlease there you go again, that has nothing to do with talent. Brittney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli have charted too...........must make them stellar singers huh? More image than substance. Times have changed, a lot of stellar singers and big name talent from years ago are playing smaller venues/clubs.....no shame in that whatsoever. But hey by all means, you run out and buy those Spears and Lohan tix, I'll pass.........I'd much rather see the likes of the Rik Emmetts, Eric Martins, JSS' out there in the clubs instead.

I never have, nor will I ever base my vocal preferences on sales or chart positions.

Drum up all the excuses you'd like...won't change the facts! Soto is talented...he's a professional singer! However, something other than "average" in his peer group would have produced something on the radio after 20+ years that warrants some rotation. It hasn't. I'm done here.

And to Drew...I'm merely answering questions I was asked.

[larryfromnextdoor]

someone please stop asking st.dan questions..

[Saint John]

Deb, you're fighting a losing battle here

Facts are a motherfucker to refute aren't they?

[Deb]

But you're the one who is deluded if you think every single person who grabs the cd at Walmart can even name all the band members.

I don't see this as having any relevance with people knowing Perry is not on the CD and Pineda is.

Uh NO, get it through your thick skull.....that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

Rehashing solo tour receipts, attendance, Top 40 hits and albums sold will only get me flamed by the malcontents. I'll pass.

Oh puhlease there you go again, that has nothing to do with talent. Brittney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli have charted too...........must make them stellar singers huh? More image than substance. Times have changed, a lot of stellar singers and big name talent from years ago are playing smaller venues/clubs.....no shame in that whatsoever. But hey by all means, you run out and buy those Spears and Lohan tix, I'll pass.........I'd much rather see the likes of the Rik Emmetts, Eric Martins, JSS' out there in the clubs instead.

I never have, nor will I ever base my vocal preferences on sales or chart positions.

Drum up all the excuses you'd like...won't change the facts! Soto is talented...he's a professional singer! However, something other than "average" in his peer group would have produced something on the radio after 20+ years that warrants some rotation. It hasn't. I'm done here.

And to Drew...I'm merely answering questions I was asked.

Sure, fact is........yes, JSS hasn't had a top 40 hit. But neither have many other above average singers.........at the same time some very below average singers have........so this point is completely moot to me when it comes to talent. So to me, that "fact" doesn't help your argument whatsoever. Hell, Journey/Steve Perry never had a #1 hit and he was definitely a vocal god. But whatever, I'm done too, you go ahead and continue to base your preferences on radio play, no skin off my ass.

Gawd it's like trying to communicate with a.................

[Rick]

The sexual tension between you two is outrageous.

[amaron]

I just wish the Perry naysayers would come forth and tell me which one of them has heard him sing in the past 10 yrs( leaving out the White Sox thing)!!!!Well, which one of you have??????
None of you know nothing about him personally....how his voice is! or how his health is! or just anything...


[quote LuvsAugeri] Just playing devil's advocate here.....but the same thing could be said to the people who say he CAN still sing.

No, it can't...unless you think Steve Lukather doesn't have a fucking clue what sounding great means, when he referred to Perry in the studio recently. Dude is only one of the best guitarists in the world, but that doesn't mean he's got a set of ears better than some of you, right? Yeah, ok.

OMG...I did NOT say he couldn't sing. I don't have the first fucking clue if he can sing or not. I was commenting to Carol when she said that nobody HERE has heard him sing in the last 10 yrs or knows anything about his health or anything else so they shouldn't be spouting off that he can't sing!! I just pointed out the nobody HERE has heard him sing or knows anything about his health also. I was talking about the people posting on this board. NOT Steve Lukather.

Is that clear enough to you?

Laura knows.

Yep, Lora and Cindy have.
And throwing up the White Sox thing as an example is ridiculuous. Four straight days/nights of screaming and celebrating, getting up there in the morning cold, no warmup, small speaker's microphone, no backup band/music -- this is supposed to indicate that Perry can't sing anymore -- bawaahaha!

Perry's inaction for over the last 10 years shows that he himself has lingering doubts on how well he can perform.

He was inactive for eight years in the 80s and 90s...and aside from a couple of dodgy You Tube clips we all know he sounded great when he came back on FTLOSM and TBF. Different...but still brilliant. The inaction shows nothing....

Alright... since you obviously missed the 'LAST 10 YEARS', I'll do the math for you.

2008
-1997
-------
11

Steve Perry hasn't done anything substantial since the late 90's other than release a GH album that had two total hits on it, correct?

Thanks for not reading every word in my post.

[tammy]

So if they weren't going strictly for a Perry clone, why not keep JSS?

Try and picture Soto singing After All These Years, Turn Down The World Tonight or What I Needed. Simply wouldn't work. Arnel is just a better choice for the job.

I have to agree here also. I think Arnel has a greater range and it seems effortless...he can cover so many types of songs. I like JSS & enjoy his solo performances and even he stated that AP fit better for Journey than he did. AP has his own voice on the new songs with just enough touches of sounding like SP to keep me happy (yes, I fantasize it is SP singing them)...I finally listened to the re-records (only half way) and although AP sounds eerily like SP I have no interest in listening to them again - concerts are fine but I hate the idea of the re-records.

[annie89509]

I just wish the Perry naysayers would come forth and tell me which one of them has heard him sing in the past 10 yrs( leaving out the White Sox thing)!!!!Well, which one of you have??????
None of you know nothing about him personally....how his voice is! or how his health is! or just anything...


[quote LuvsAugeri] Just playing devil's advocate here.....but the same thing could be said to the people who say he CAN still sing.

No, it can't...unless you think Steve Lukather doesn't have a fucking clue what sounding great means, when he referred to Perry in the studio recently. Dude is only one of the best guitarists in the world, but that doesn't mean he's got a set of ears better than some of you, right? Yeah, ok.

OMG...I did NOT say he couldn't sing. I don't have the first fucking clue if he can sing or not. I was commenting to Carol when she said that nobody HERE has heard him sing in the last 10 yrs or knows anything about his health or anything else so they shouldn't be spouting off that he can't sing!! I just pointed out the nobody HERE has heard him sing or knows anything about his health also. I was talking about the people posting on this board. NOT Steve Lukather.

Is that clear enough to you?

Laura knows.

Yep, Lora and Cindy have.
And throwing up the White Sox thing as an example is ridiculuous. Four straight days/nights of screaming and celebrating, getting up there in the morning cold, no warmup, small speaker's microphone, no backup band/music -- this is supposed to indicate that Perry can't sing anymore -- bawaahaha!

Little Ann, when you start postin' like that, it's an indication of too much internet time for you again. Can't you hear the boys callin' now "mama"? Maybe it's time to attend to them.

Monster Struck, my boys are fine, thanks for the concern. The pix was taken 5 years ago, they are teenagers now -- capable of entertaining themselves. I get my entertainment by coming onto these forums and watching, with every lead singer change, the desperate attempts "new" Journey fans come onto these boards bagging on SP in order to pump up "the new guy." This is what the band continuously referred to SA, 8 years into his (SA's) tenure. Let's hope AP lasts even that long.

[Lora]

Upon prompting by another member, I am presenting this thread. With clips that CLEARLY show why Perry reigns forever. SUCK IT ANTI-PEEPS!


This one was put on youtube by my dear friend Mariet. God bless her for keeping the legend alive and well. Mariet dear, I hope you don't mind. Since it's on youtube for everyone to see, I thought it would be okay. Love you girl.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HOqNiCX_JN8

Open Arms
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=5RwbU584hqw&feature=related[/url]

Party Is Over...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ftBqKk_Bv5U

Winds Of March My favorite song of his. As much as I like Arnel, has he ever sung like this? No one can.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eX0SpWN_gJk&feature=related

La Do Da.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qxfA1_3baU0&feature=related

Thanks for the links. SP + GR = vocal magic. Journey was never the same vocally after GR left. Hearing SP & GR on the early stuff is so awesome. I am so bummed that I missed the Infinity & Evolution tours where they played the earlier material.

It would be nice to have this thread for discussion of the major talents of SP instead of the "he can't sing anymore" bullshit that these threads always seem to evolve into. Since there are plenty of other threads on his forum dissing ex band members, doesn't seem necessary to add this one to the list.

[tammy]

Winds of March is so "wow"...love it! Lora, I didn't know you missed those first two tours...I wish I had seen more than just the one Evolution tour concert...but, I still remember anxiously waiting for SP to appear onstage & then his voice reaching all the way back to the nosebleed section I sat in & into my heart...omg!

[Deb]

SP + GR = vocal magic. Journey was never the same vocally after GR left. Hearing SP & GR on the early stuff is so awesome.

Agreed, all-time favorite song from those two............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDEMx1umDgc

Departure tour is right behind ROR for concerts I'd love to go back in time to see.

[Matthew]

- I was never a fan of Jeff in Journey. I supported the lineup...just like I have all lineups. The day I don't I'll be gone. Plain and simple.

I don't remember you supporting the Augeri lineup at all, saint John. In fact...back in those days you were usually talking sense.

[Matthew]

Thanks for the links. SP + GR = vocal magic. Journey was never the same vocally after GR left.

I don't usually disagree with you Lora - but I couldn't feel more differently about this. To my ears Rolie's vocals were like a dead weight on the Journey sound and after he left the combination of multi-layered Perry overdubs and Cain and Schon's backing vocals helped to take the band to the next level. The spine-tingling acapella harmony section at the end of Girl Can't Help It might last for only a few seconds but it beats anything on the Infinity/Evolution/Departure albums.

[annie89509]

- I was never a fan of Jeff in Journey. I supported the lineup...just like I have all lineups. The day I don't I'll be gone. Plain and simple.

I don't remember you supporting the Augeri lineup at all, saint John. In fact...back in those days you were usually talking sense.

[Lora]

Thanks for the links. SP + GR = vocal magic. Journey was never the same vocally after GR left.

I don't usually disagree with you Lora - but I couldn't feel more differently about this. To my ears Rolie's vocals were like a dead weight on the Journey sound and after he left the combination of multi-layered Perry overdubs and Cain and Schon's backing vocals helped to take the band to the next level. The spine-tingling acapella harmony section at the end of Girl Can't Help It might last for only a few seconds but it beats anything on the Infinity/Evolution/Departure albums.

I agree that GR as a lead vocalist would not have carried Journey to the next level but I prefer the SP / GR vocal harmonies to the SP / JC vocal harmonies. Plus I'm a Rolie Loon so there you have it.

[Deb]

Thanks for the links. SP + GR = vocal magic. Journey was never the same vocally after GR left.

I don't usually disagree with you Lora - but I couldn't feel more differently about this. To my ears Rolie's vocals were like a dead weight on the Journey sound and after he left the combination of multi-layered Perry overdubs and Cain and Schon's backing vocals helped to take the band to the next level. The spine-tingling acapella harmony section at the end of Girl Can't Help It might last for only a few seconds but it beats anything on the Infinity/Evolution/Departure albums.

I'll agree ROR has the best Perry vocals bar none. What I like on the early SP/GR stuff, is the vocal contrast when they sing together. Rolie's smooth vocals just seem to bring out Perry's angelic sounding ones. Especially the contrast on one like Someday Soon, Perry almost sounds other worldly.

[weatherman90]

Does that mean Arnel's voice is "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter"?

[Saint John]

- I was never a fan of Jeff in Journey. I supported the lineup...just like I have all lineups. The day I don't I'll be gone. Plain and simple.

I don't remember you supporting the Augeri lineup at all, saint John. In fact...back in those days you were usually talking sense.

I liked Augeri in his first few years. Saw them at least 20 times with him.