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Postby strangegrey » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:42 am

Saint John wrote:I was told that at one of your shows, someone that seemingly had too much to drink said that if he "ever saw me again" he was "gonna break a beer bottle over my head" and stab with me with it. Additionally, he wanted to "kill" me. Do I think it was alcohol induced rambling? Sure...but that neither excuses it nor makes it out of the realm of possibility that this person, or another person, did the same to "Siobhan Tobin."


Dan, you need to seperate the internet tough guy act from real threats of violence. There's been alot of drink spilled between people here, that either previously or after the fact, say things to one another like "I will destroy you", "you're a dead man". While a threat's a threat, and I suspect you have the wherewithall to see and understand the difference between a true threat and a guy protecting his bruised ego from the safety of a keyboard attached to the internet.

The fact still remains that the person who's making such statements to Time, cannot be considered a credible source for *any* information...and anything she says or does is usually fabricated to advance her own deluded, and often times, criminal agendas, nothing more, nothing less.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:44 am

What good witnesses ever have airtight credibility?
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Postby strangegrey » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:47 am

Red13JoePa wrote:What good witnesses ever have airtight credibility?


Eh, what do you mean by that?

Airtight credibility is a FAR cry from zero credibility...
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:59 am

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Saint John wrote:"Internet weirdo" aside, I can totally see the "jump" being made from photoshopping to phone calls. In fact, it was made. I received, via messenger rather than phone call, the exact same sort of threats. Of course I doubled over with laughter at the mere visual, but that doesn't mean others didn't find this alarming. And yes, it was alcohol induced, but I'm assuming these calls were as well. Phones and computers are great means of protection for psychotic people.


You're failing to consider the source here, Dan. This person is responsible for alot of rather serious slander/malice. Please note, my education and profession demand that I have a rather firm grasp on the law and I know what's required of the accuser, in order to prove such a thing. People have claimed slander and malice without such proof, here and elsewhere. All I will say is that you're going to have to recognize that I *know* what I'm talking about when I am crying 'slander'...and she was guilty of it.

I don't know how much you have involved yourself with this person, but I guarantee you, what you were told by her what happened and what actually happened are two different things. She's, among other things, a liar...and you appear to be a gullable beneficiary of her inability for veracity.

Again, I reitterate, what did happen to her...i.e. the flooding of her site with nonsensical posts (something I had nothing to do with) seems to be kharma rearing its very justified head, on a person that deserved every bit of it. I'm sorry to say, Time magazine, you and a few others have been 'had' by a deceitful psychopath.


Point(s) taken, Frank. But what you're missing is this...I'm not trying to substantiate her claims or argue that they were indeed true. I have neither the time nor interest to do so. What I am arguing is that past actions and patterns by certain individuals make it easily conceivable that they could have indeed done something along these lines. Whether or not it did happen is completely irrelevant. And for the record, I haven't "been had" by anyone. No one has cost me even a second of angst.
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Postby strangegrey » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:18 am

Saint John wrote:Point(s) taken, Frank. But what you're missing is this...I'm not trying to substantiate her claims or argue that they were indeed true. I have neither the time nor interest to do so. What I am arguing is that past actions and patterns by certain individuals make it easily conceivable that they could have indeed done something along these lines. Whether or not it did happen is completely irrelevant. And for the record, I haven't "been had" by anyone. No one has cost me even a second of angst.


I hear ya...I'm just trying to drive home the fact that (assuming I have some of the same people in mind as you, regarding who *might* have made such threats to her) she is far less credible and ethical a person that the people she is accusing....by such a dramatic seperation that it's almost inconceivable for me to accept her accusations, given her penchant for not being able to tell the truth under any circumstance...ever.

Put yourself in an objective position here. You've got a person who has engaged in slander, malice...has never told the truth ever...and now she's accusing people of leveling death threats against her in THE PRESS, which if such accusations are lies (and with this person, it's a sure bet) it's quite illegal. Then, you've got a nameless acused person with very little proof of such a threat, other than the assertions of a person suffering from pseudologia fantastica. Think about it!!
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Postby Tito » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:24 am

You people are nuts. I'm staying away from all of you. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 am

strangegrey wrote:
Saint John wrote:Point(s) taken, Frank. But what you're missing is this...I'm not trying to substantiate her claims or argue that they were indeed true. I have neither the time nor interest to do so. What I am arguing is that past actions and patterns by certain individuals make it easily conceivable that they could have indeed done something along these lines. Whether or not it did happen is completely irrelevant. And for the record, I haven't "been had" by anyone. No one has cost me even a second of angst.


I hear ya...I'm just trying to drive home the fact that (assuming I have some of the same people in mind as you, regarding who *might* have made such threats to her) she is far less credible and ethical a person that the people she is accusing....by such a dramatic seperation that it's almost inconceivable for me to accept her accusations, given her penchant for not being able to tell the truth under any circumstance...ever.

Put yourself in an objective position here. You've got a person who has engaged in slander, malice...has never told the truth ever...and now she's accusing people of leveling death threats against her in THE PRESS, which if such accusations are lies (and with this person, it's a sure bet) it's quite illegal. Then, you've got a nameless acused person with very little proof of such a threat, other than the assertions of a person suffering from pseudologia fantastica. Think about it!!


lol...I hear ya, man!
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Postby Sharon45 » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:33 am

Okay, death threats, liars, bashers, and all other crap aside, I have one tiny little question about the Time article. Did it really say that Arnel is 40? Is that for real? He looks like a freaking teenager! I thought he was just a kid of 23 or so! Just wondering. You may all go back to the bashing now. :)

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Postby donnaplease » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:41 am

Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now. The hurt she caused a few people here is totally sick! Short of death threats~which I seriously doubt~she deserves what she gets.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:43 am

DAMNIT!!! WTF did I miss??? I go for a beer, watch a few minutes of news, come in here and BAM!!! Shit hits the fan. Then it gets deleted before I even know who I should be mad at! :shock: :lol: :lol: That damn trigger-happy Andrew! :lol:
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Postby Andrew » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:58 am

donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:59 am

Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.

Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's Larry :wink: :lol:
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Postby G.I.Jim » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:00 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.

Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's Larry :wink: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:03 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.

Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's Larry :wink: :lol:


WOULD YOU QUIT IT !!!!??? QUIT IT !! :lol: :lol:

UGH....... :mrgreen:
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Postby RebornJrny » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:33 pm

Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.


I'm still rookie here, but I'm trying to find out who the heck Susie is, I've been hearing her name ever since I got here and she's sound so controversial. Is this the same Susie? Just curious :?

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =361032567
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Postby strangegrey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:12 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.

Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's Larry :wink: :lol:


WOULD YOU QUIT IT !!!!??? QUIT IT !! :lol: :lol:

UGH....... :mrgreen:


Admit it bitch, you know you're her! ;)
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:17 pm

strangegrey wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.

Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's Larry :wink: :lol:


WOULD YOU QUIT IT !!!!??? QUIT IT !! :lol: :lol:

UGH....... :mrgreen:


Admit it bitch, you know you're her! ;)


hahahhahahhaha :lol: you know it !! ahhhh.. the fun times.. :mrgreen:
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Postby Andrew » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:20 pm

RebornJrny wrote:
Andrew wrote:
donnaplease wrote:Susie is a con. She used and abused people, and is continuing to do it, even here, even now.


Now? If you have info that she is here under a certain username, please advise asap.


I'm still rookie here, but I'm trying to find out who the heck Susie is, I've been hearing her name ever since I got here and she's sound so controversial. Is this the same Susie? Just curious :?

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =361032567


Just a dilusional, manipulative, BS filled woman. Oh, and a Journey fan and Arnel stalker. Nothing to worry about.
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:02 pm

Hmmm, since the topic is on Siobhann/Susie, there is a certain poster here who follows the same modus operandi; that is, lying in wait for an opportunity to jump down someone’s throat. I don’t think it’s so much being a devoted Arnel fan as a twisted sense of superiority over “telling someone off.”

I come to this board to have fun and to discuss Journey. I don’t appreciate getting nasty pm’s from this person (ala Reardon?) calling me filthy names, typecasting me as an Arnel hater, Filipinos hater.

For the record, I have NEVER said 1 bad word against any Journey bandmember-- past or present (that includes Arnel). And I have friends/acquaintances of all races and nationalities. I have opinions, yes, and express them in the spirit of this messageboard-- which Andrew graciously provides to us all as a diversion to our everyday, ho hum lives.

The bantering back and forth, sometimes heated debates, are all in fun – not to be taken seriously. What is not fun is having someone with a chip on his/her shoulder twisting posters’ words (opinions) around to suit his/her agenda, throwing condemnation and the race card around, labeling people as such and such.

I’m done.
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Postby Andrew » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:37 pm

annie89509 wrote:I come to this board to have fun and to discuss Journey. I don’t appreciate getting nasty pm’s from this person (ala Reardon?) calling me filthy names, typecasting me as an Arnel hater, Filipinos hater.


That sounds familiar and I will make sure this person does no such thing again.
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:43 pm

annie89509 wrote:Hmmm, since the topic is on Siobhann/Susie, there is a certain poster here who follows the same modus operandi; that is, lying in wait for an opportunity to jump down someone’s throat. I don’t think it’s so much being a devoted Arnel fan as a twisted sense of superiority over “telling someone off.”

I come to this board to have fun and to discuss Journey. I don’t appreciate getting nasty pm’s from this person (ala Reardon?) calling me filthy names, typecasting me as an Arnel hater, Filipinos hater.

For the record, I have NEVER said 1 bad word against any Journey bandmember-- past or present (that includes Arnel). And I have friends/acquaintances of all races and nationalities. I have opinions, yes, and express them in the spirit of this messageboard-- which Andrew graciously provides to us all as a diversion to our everyday, ho hum lives.

The bantering back and forth, sometimes heated debates, are all in fun – not to be taken seriously. What is not fun is having someone with a chip on his/her shoulder twisting posters’ words (opinions) around to suit his/her agenda, throwing condemnation and the race card around, labeling people as such and such.

I’m done.


Annie, you're a cool person and a great poster. Don't you go anywhere!!! PM the name of this fucker. :evil:
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:48 pm

Saint John wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I come to this board to have fun and to discuss Journey. I don’t appreciate getting nasty pm’s from this person (ala Reardon?) calling me filthy names, typecasting me as an Arnel hater, Filipinos hater.

I’m done.


Annie, you're a cool person and a great poster. Don't you go anywhere!!! PM the name of this fucker. :evil:


Why PM???

Post it for all to see.

Call this fucker out in public :twisted:
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Postby journeypower » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:55 pm

I thought this thread was about Time Magazine featuring Journey. what I've been reading so far is a "SUSIE is a HOAX exclusive". did you guys know that Boston won yesterday?
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Postby strangegrey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:57 pm

Andrew wrote:Just a dilusional, manipulative, BS filled woman. Oh, and a Journey fan and Arnel stalker. Nothing to worry about.


Um, Andrew...that doesn't narrow it down too much...
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Postby strangegrey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:06 pm

journeypower wrote:I thought this thread was about Time Magazine featuring Journey. what I've been reading so far is a "SUSIE is a HOAX exclusive". did you guys know that Boston won yesterday?


If you haven't figured it out, the two issues are intertwined. The Time Magazine article features a quote from Soibhan Tobin (aka, Suzzie, Crazy Cat Lady, PsychosRus, etc) where she makes a rather serious acusation with zero proof of such. The Time Magazine writer, seemingly, went through zero effort to confirm such an accusation.

So while you may think that one has nothing to do with the other, one negatively impacts the credibility of the other...significantly.
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Postby journeypower » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:49 pm

strangegrey wrote:
journeypower wrote:I thought this thread was about Time Magazine featuring Journey. what I've been reading so far is a "SUSIE is a HOAX exclusive". did you guys know that Boston won yesterday?


If you haven't figured it out, the two issues are intertwined. The Time Magazine article features a quote from Soibhan Tobin (aka, Suzzie, Crazy Cat Lady, PsychosRus, etc) where she makes a rather serious acusation with zero proof of such. The Time Magazine writer, seemingly, went through zero effort to confirm such an accusation.

So while you may think that one has nothing to do with the other, one negatively impacts the credibility of the other...significantly.


Actually I Do Frank. everyone notices a small taint of blank ink in an 8x11 white paper. I'm not saying it's not a bigga deal but rather try to inject somethin positive or divert all the tension away from that certain stain. yah, I know it sucks. but anyway, not everything written on paper is true or correct. even Time magazine create mistakes.
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Postby Tito » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:35 am

strangegrey wrote:
Andrew wrote:Just a dilusional, manipulative, BS filled woman. Oh, and a Journey fan and Arnel stalker. Nothing to worry about.


Um, Andrew...that doesn't narrow it down too much...


LOL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby strangegrey » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:55 am

journeypower wrote:Actually I Do Frank. everyone notices a small taint of blank ink in an 8x11 white paper. I'm not saying it's not a bigga deal but rather try to inject somethin positive or divert all the tension away from that certain stain. yah, I know it sucks. but anyway, not everything written on paper is true or correct. even Time magazine create mistakes.


I feel ya. While I agree that there's always going to be errors, inadequacies, etc in articles such as this...To me, this is a serious issue...you don't make nor claim death threats without either serious proof or serious penalty.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:26 am

strangegrey wrote:
journeypower wrote:Actually I Do Frank. everyone notices a small taint of blank ink in an 8x11 white paper. I'm not saying it's not a bigga deal but rather try to inject somethin positive or divert all the tension away from that certain stain. yah, I know it sucks. but anyway, not everything written on paper is true or correct. even Time magazine create mistakes.


I feel ya. While I agree that there's always going to be errors, inadequacies, etc in articles such as this...To me, this is a serious issue...you don't make nor claim death threats without either serious proof or serious penalty.


And you certainly don't publish that shit in TIME MAGAZINE without more than a quote from a random fan.
That's more like a Weekly World News item.

Hey... I woke up naked in Johnny Depp's bed this morning... I'm not going to provide proof, but you believe me right? :shock: :roll:
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