If it really IS all about money to FRIC and FRAC.....

[Red13JoePa]

If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Couldn't agree more.


And if and when Neal rolls, I'll give it up.

[Rick]

If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Couldn't agree more.


And if and when Neal rolls, I'll give it up.

We all will I think. I would bet that would be their retirement.

[Shadowsong]

I don't think any musciains are in it for the money
or elee there would be no music
They do it cause it runs deep in there hearts

I think it runs deep in Neals heart
I can't speak for JC
but Neal has been playing since he has been in diapers
LOL

I can't stop to think of the HWOF
Neal showed Steve some affection
or else it was the kiss of death



Neal stood before me
drinking in the adulation
as well he should

There was magic in the air.....

[Red13JoePa]

We all will I think. I would bet that would be their retirement.

I detest the notion of Journey's retirement. Schon/Cain(maybe perry) have ATTEMPTED to keep Journey a going concern again since 1996.


If my unthinkable happened and Journey pulls the plug (which again I HOPE doesn't happen), then somewhere in a dark corner of my mind I will think about Led Zeppelin Unledded from the years '94-98 after being away for years and years. If I lost Journey and they went away for a bunch of years, I will admit I would grit my teeth and not be opposed ( ) to a few "Schon/Perry(/Cain?)" projects even if they couldn't agree to call it Journey.

[ohsherrie]

So now I'm confused. Would all of the pro-Perry people be thrilled to death with a reunion with Journey, or would you be pissed that he threw away his "integrity" and joined the "dark side"? I guess it depends on what day of the week it is, from what I can gather.

I can only speak for myself. It would be bittersweet for me right now. I would go to as many concerts as I could. I admit that. I never saw Perry-led Journey back in the day. I saw him twice solo & it was magnificent. Knowing how infrequently he performs, I'd take every opportunity I could to see the man & I'd try for a M&G just to meet him. I've never had a desire to meet Frig & Fro & would stay away from them. But I'd sit thru them playing for the opportunity to see Perry. That's as honest as I can get.

I honestly don't see it happening. People are comparing them to The Police (who were actually my favorite band before Journey). But it's different. Sure The Police hated each other at the end of their band-days. But I read an interview where they sat down together in 2000 & joked around. Stewart made a comment about them wiping the floor w/other bands if they got back together. It took a long time, but they did it. Journey's day for that kind of thing was way back in 1996. Obviously it ended again really badly after that. The Police also never went ahead & performed w/a different lead singer. Nor did The Eagles (another comparison often made). Asia did & mended their differences, granted.

The closest Journey has come to being in the same "room" was the WOF. Even tho there were hugs, I still felt some bitterness in the pix. Maybe that was just me. Then Perry was obviously not happy about Neal's radio comments after that. If I'm not mistaken in one interview, he said something like he felt the band used him showing up for self-promotion. I think that stone is long & truly broken now.

But yeah, I'd go if it happened. I surely would.

Yeah, what Suz said.

I'd much rather see him solo, but if the only choice I had was to see him in Journey, hell yeah, I'm there. I would hope that it would be a Journey farewell tour though. I wouldn't want them to use Steve's credibility to buy back some for themselves and then go back to the casino and rodeo circuit with someone else.

[S2M]

If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Quite the contrary.....they are irrelevant now. Plain and simple. Unless the reunion tour happens( I don't even care if they record anymore), they will fall to obscurity....If they hire ANYBODY else, including Jeremey, they are done.

They have lost TOO much credibility amoung folks here....UNLESS people are just bumping gums.

Just think.....maybe it was ME who was bumping gums.....

Man the stupid things I say, sometimes.....LMAO

[separate_wayz]

Saw The Police last night and Sting sounded un-believable. Looked great too! They put on a great show . . . hell, they encored about 4 times.

I had front-row tickets to see The Police when they were in Columbus, Ohio. Unbelievable -- both how they sounded and played, and how Sting in particular looked. Hope I look so good when I'm his age.

Stewart Copeland was phenomenal. Glad to see that he was the cover artist on Modern Drummer's "Drum Gods" issue. AND ..... by the way ..... Steve Smith made the list too. (These are Modern Drummer's list of the top 25 drummers of all time, across all types of music. The fact that Steve Smith made the list too is quite an accomplishment.)

[Hollywood]

Remember this is their job and profession. They have made a lot of money over the years and it is about money. I do not understand why this is a shocker or why anybody finds this upsetting,

I can say that I have never felt let down by any Journey product or concert. This is a band of professionals. Since they have been an active band for the last 10 years they have really attempted to put the best product out there. Lead singer changes aside this cannot be denied. They have done major tours, a couple of big packages, and a couple secondary markets tours and have always provided the crowd a great show with top notch production. Most bands in the classic rock genre have zero production value anymore and even when Journey was in the secondary markets they got as much production gear as would fit on the stage. If this were a money grab they would be on the road 9 or 10 months of the year like REO.

And what about the records? They have made three full records in 10 years with two live DVDs, an EP, and a soundtrack song. Bands that are milking it do not do this. Styx has been flogging their fans with no less than 5 live packages and a covers record in the last 8 years. Journey has put great product out. They gave away copies of Generations at their shows, and I know there was a portion of the ticket price that went for the CD, but I didn’t pay anymore for my ticket than I had for any other Journey tour.

Just look at the Journey 2001 DVD. This was a basic packaging, but the production is VERY high quality. They put a lot of work making it look and sound great. I have many live DVDs in my collection and none of them come close in regards to sound and picture quality. I watched the Styx/REO Arch Allies DVD, released right around the same time, and then put Journey Live 2001 after it one night and side-by-side the other product looked like a joke. Now I am an audiophile and really demand high quality, but the general public does not really notice these types of things. Journey didn’t have to put the extra work, and by work I mean money, into that DVD because the net sales result would have been negligible. They did it to put a great product out on the market.

So is it about money? Of course this is their job and how they make a living. Do they over charge or deliver an inferior product? Never! I commend them for this.

If you ever are at a record store, if you can find one, look at the product on the shelves on other artists of their generation and compare the products. Not even close.

[Centaure]

Good post, Hollywood.

[DracIsBack]

"Folks here" are just a tiny percentage of ticket buyers, really.

We are the only folks that matter. The casual fan don't deserve shit.

I would suspect that, in their eyes, we buy their bubblegum, the casual fans (by sheer numbers) renovate their houses and stuff.

[Andrew]

.....wouldn't they try and get SP? I mean they could charge buttloads of cash for that reunion. Even if his voice isn't close to what it was back then. Look at Kansas, Walsh's voice is toast, and they still tour. Look at the prices for Police tickets. Look at the prices for Genesis tickets( and I know i tried to buy one - $227 for FACE VALUE)

I know SP doesn't want it, but if it was only about money to them, you'd think they would at least try to get their meal ticket back in the fold....

just my .02.

They have tried....several times. Perry doesn't want to. It won't happen. EVER. Too bad, but let's move on. No one person's fault, sometimes it just is what it is.

[EightyRock]

[quote="Andrew"] "They have tried....several times. Perry doesn't want to. It won't happen. EVER. Too bad, but let's move on. No one person's fault, sometimes it just is what it is."

I never got the impression they tried at all. Cain said he would NOT make that call and Schon said that he can't even get his phone number and HASN'T talked to him, only through lawyers. So, if they've told you a different story other than the one that both of them fed to the fans, then spill, dude. Perry also says they only speak through attorneys, except at the WOF.
Their interview comments are clear that they have not tried, DIRECTLY, at all.
Not that it matters, Drew, cause Perry wouldn't give them the sweat off his...er....brow.

[nolippin]

That's what I thought. Didn't Perry and Neal just say recently that they only speak through lawyers?

BTW, why was this year old thread resurrected?

"They have tried....several times. Perry doesn't want to. It won't happen. EVER. Too bad, but let's move on. No one person's fault, sometimes it just is what it is."

I never got the impression they tried at all. Cain said he would NOT make that call and Schon said that he can't even get his phone number and HASN'T talked to him, only through lawyers. So, if they've told you a different story other than the one that both of them fed to the fans, then spill, dude. Perry also says they only speak through attorneys, except at the WOF.
Their interview comments are clear that they have not tried, DIRECTLY, at all.
Not that it matters, Drew, cause Perry wouldn't give them the sweat off his...er....brow.

[EightyRock]

[quote="nolippin"]That's what I thought. Didn't Perry and Neal just say recently that they only speak through lawyers?

Yeah, they both did in their last interview.

NL wrote: "BTW, why was this year old thread resurrected? "

Who knows. I've seen this done alot here lately.

[S2M]

That's what I thought. Didn't Perry and Neal just say recently that they only speak through lawyers?

Yeah, they both did in their last interview.

NL wrote: "BTW, why was this year old thread resurrected? "

Who knows. I've seen this done alot here lately.

Does it bother you?

[EightyRock]

[quote="StocktontoMalone"] "Does it bother you?"

What? That old threads are dug up and re-posted, or that Perry and Schon/Cain only talk through lawyers?

I'm not really that jazzed about either subject, but Drew wrote a response in this thread and I'm asking him about it, if he pops in here.

[S2M]

"Does it bother you?"

What? That old threads are dug up and re-posted, or that Perry and Schon/Cain only talk through lawyers?

I'm not really that jazzed about either subject, but Drew wrote a response in this thread and I'm asking him about it, if he pops in here.

I meant about resurrecting old threads....

[nolippin]

If, you're speaking to me, no, it doesn't bother me, but I just wonder why with all the current threads you would dig so far back to pull this one up.

"Does it bother you?"

What? That old threads are dug up and re-posted, or that Perry and Schon/Cain only talk through lawyers?

I'm not really that jazzed about either subject, but Drew wrote a response in this thread and I'm asking him about it, if he pops in here.

I meant about resurrecting old threads....

[kgdjpubs]

"They have tried....several times. Perry doesn't want to. It won't happen. EVER. Too bad, but let's move on. No one person's fault, sometimes it just is what it is."

I never got the impression they tried at all. Cain said he would NOT make that call and Schon said that he can't even get his phone number and HASN'T talked to him, only through lawyers. So, if they've told you a different story other than the one that both of them fed to the fans, then spill, dude. Perry also says they only speak through attorneys, except at the WOF.
Their interview comments are clear that they have not tried, DIRECTLY, at all.
Not that it matters, Drew, cause Perry wouldn't give them the sweat off his...er....brow.

what makes you think that even if they DID try that anything would be mentioned to the fans unless Perry decided to say yes??? Backdoor conversations go on all the time when trying to reunite groups, but it doesn't bode well to make the info public when you are trying to succeed without said person. They would only be suiciding themselves if they announce publicly that they are trying to get Perry back while trying to go forward with new lineup. #1 Rule of business...do not EVER announce anything unless it is set in stone and contracts are signed, otherwise problems ensue if it falls apart at the last minute.

[S2M]

If, you're speaking to me, no, it doesn't bother me, but I just wonder why with all the current threads you would dig so far back to pull this one up.

"Does it bother you?"

What? That old threads are dug up and re-posted, or that Perry and Schon/Cain only talk through lawyers?

I'm not really that jazzed about either subject, but Drew wrote a response in this thread and I'm asking him about it, if he pops in here.

I meant about resurrecting old threads....

Because I was the original author of it.....and I was proven wrong. So I thought I should bring attention to the fact I was wrong. lol

[brywool]

Yeah, and why don't the 49er's re-sign Joe Montana? He led them 4 Super Bowl wins. Sure, he is older now, but I am sure he can still handle the job.

Excellent point.

Wrong.....Sports is a way different animal than music. I think you guys just like to be contrarian about ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING...

Wrong. A singer is in MANY ways like an athlete. Perry's past his prime as are many athletes who no longer compete and many old horses that no longer run.
Because you were break dancing during that time, you automatically forever lose the right to see Journey with Perry.

[brywool]

They have tried....several times. Perry doesn't want to. It won't happen. EVER.

YaY! There's the answer. Now, hopefully people will stop asking this question...
nah...

[S2M]

C'mon....you know you want to own it.....

[NealIsGod]

Yeah, and why don't the 49er's re-sign Joe Montana? He led them 4 Super Bowl wins. Sure, he is older now, but I am sure he can still handle the job.

Excellent point.

Wrong.....Sports is a way different animal than music. I think you guys just like to be contrarian about ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING...

Wrong. A singer is in MANY ways like an athlete. Perry's past his prime as are many athletes who no longer compete and many old horses that no longer run.
Because you were break dancing during that time, you automatically forever lose the right to see Journey with Perry.

Yeah, Perry can probably still sing, but doesn't have the chops or the desire to be a pro anymore.

[brywool]

Yeah, Perry can probably still sing, but doesn't have the chops or the desire to be a pro anymore.

WE HAVE A WINNER, WE HAVE A WINNER!

[S2M]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but even at 60, Perry can sing rings around SA......Maybe he ain't got Infinity quality chops, but TBF chops ain't nuttin' to shake a mic at.....

[Vocalsmanvocals]

Yeah, Perry can probably still sing, but doesn't have the chops or the desire to be a pro anymore.

WE HAVE A WINNER, WE HAVE A WINNER!

I think he has the chops, but I agree with you about the desire..

Let's see if this new music ever comes about Perry talks about, not holding my breath on it..

[conversationpc]

Yeah, Perry can probably still sing, but doesn't have the chops or the desire to be a pro anymore.

WE HAVE A WINNER, WE HAVE A WINNER!

I think he has the chops, but I agree with you about the desire..

Let's see if this new music ever comes about Perry talks about, not holding my breath on it..

Now he can, yes, but Augeri was no slouch when he first joined Journey and if you haven't heard his work on the Tyketto album, "Shine", then do yourself a favor and check it out.

[EightyRock]

[quote="kgdjpubs"] "what makes you think that even if they DID try that anything would be mentioned to the fans unless Perry decided to say yes??? Backdoor conversations go on all the time when trying to reunite groups, but it doesn't bode well to make the info public when you are trying to succeed without said person. They would only be suiciding themselves if they announce publicly that they are trying to get Perry back while trying to go forward with new lineup. #1 Rule of business...do not EVER announce anything unless it is set in stone and contracts are signed, otherwise problems ensue if it falls apart at the last minute."

Did you see that they ALL JUST SAID in their last interviews that they don't talk, except through lawyers? How many times does Neal have to say he doesn't have Perry's number and doesn't know why he can't ever just call him up. Oh, right, it is an agreement or maybe a conspiracy by all THREE of them to say asking him to come back was never discussed. Until they decided this year to "embrace their legacy" with yet another voice selected to mirror Perry, Cain & Schon threw out jabs at Perry at every turn. I guess they were secretly courting him and slamming him at the same time? Ok.
I don't believe for a minute that Perry wouldn't say so, if they had approached him and he said NO. He'd probably be happy to say he told them to "F" off. Cain just said in his last interview that Perry told him in '96 that he and Cain were DONE, so he wouldn't make that call to him.

[Andrew]

CAN PEOPLE PLEASE TAKE LESSONS ON HOW TO USE THE BLOODY QUOTE FUNCTION CORRECTLY!

That said...topic closed. Not much more to say here.