Ever think about this....

[Saint John]

...

[NealIsGod]

Eric Martin is awesome. Seeing him this Sunday, Deb.

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

I still think you re up to something lol

I laugh every time I see my own Avatar now you've said I look as if I am up to something.

I swear you are, and them blue glasses dont help, they good with Frigas afro

My cool blue shades are a poor woman's facelift. They hide the laughter lines caused by you guys on here.
And, me? Up to something? Never. I'm a good girl, I am.

[Tito]

Man, did this (dead) thread explode. I'm not going to comment because I'm already on Andrew's bad side. I'm trying to get on his good side again. Or maybe for the first time, get on his good side.

[stevew2]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

I still think you re up to something lol

I laugh every time I see my own Avatar now you've said I look as if I am up to something.

I swear you are, and them blue glasses dont help, they good with Frigas afro

My cool blue shades are a poor woman's facelift. They hide the laughter lines caused by you guys on here.
And, me? Up to something? Never. I'm a good girl, I am.

I dont know ,you got that devilish smirk to, Frigas watching you to

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

Exactly, and not to go round and round with you on this again, but you do have a tendency to prefer singers with the high tenor voices. Everybody has different criteria for what they like in vocals. While I'll agree nobody can touch Perry's voice, who are you to call the likes of me disillusioned because I dare breath the words Soto or Martin in the same sentence as Perry? 3 different vocal tones, and when it comes to delivering with "soul" they are ALL right up there in my books!

And I'm sure you will agree with me Deb, I said this in another thread somewhere on here today, but the difference between someone who can sing and a great singer is that they both can sing, but with a great singer, you don't so much HEAR it as FEEL it.

If a singer's voice stirs something within you, then that makes them a great singer to you.
And we're all different.

But I think most of us have been stirred by Perry.

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

I still think you re up to something lol

I laugh every time I see my own Avatar now you've said I look as if I am up to something.

I swear you are, and them blue glasses dont help, they good with Frigas afro

My cool blue shades are a poor woman's facelift. They hide the laughter lines caused by you guys on here.
And, me? Up to something? Never. I'm a good girl, I am.

I dont know ,you got that devilish smirk to, Frigas watching you to

That's why the hair is spiked up. it hides the devil's horns growing each side of my head.

Nah. I just like to keep things fun.
I don't like the angry fighting so much.
You cover more debate if you keep things friendly and have a giggle.

[Deb]

Eric Martin is awesome. Seeing him this Sunday, Deb.

Cool Niggy, as I've mentioned to Maria, I want to hear all about it, reviews and pics please. Hope fellow posters Michael Leigh and Eric Ragno have a blast performing sunday too!

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

[NealIsGod]

Eric Martin is awesome. Seeing him this Sunday, Deb.

Cool Niggy, as I've mentioned to Maria, I want to hear all about it, reviews and pics please. Hope fellow posters Michael Leigh and Eric Ragno have a blast performing sunday too!

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

[Deb]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

Exactly, and not to go round and round with you on this again, but you do have a tendency to prefer singers with the high tenor voices. Everybody has different criteria for what they like in vocals. While I'll agree nobody can touch Perry's voice, who are you to call the likes of me disillusioned because I dare breath the words Soto or Martin in the same sentence as Perry? 3 different vocal tones, and when it comes to delivering with "soul" they are ALL right up there in my books!

And I'm sure you will agree with me Deb, I said this in another thread somewhere on here today, but the difference between someone who can sing and a great singer is that they both can sing, but with a great singer, you don't so much HEAR it as FEEL it.

If a singer's voice stirs something within you, then that makes them a great singer to you.
And we're all different.

But I think most of us have been stirred by Perry.

I soooooo get that. I think Arnel is a fabulous singer, very close to Perry's vocal tone.........he's going to do great in Journey. I'm just not feeling it, I like vocals that when you're listening to a song.......a certain line will be delivered in such a way that just makes you go WOW! I love songs with soaring vocals like on Still They Ride or JSS/Talisman's Back 2 The Feeling.

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

Exactly, and not to go round and round with you on this again, but you do have a tendency to prefer singers with the high tenor voices. Everybody has different criteria for what they like in vocals. While I'll agree nobody can touch Perry's voice, who are you to call the likes of me disillusioned because I dare breath the words Soto or Martin in the same sentence as Perry? 3 different vocal tones, and when it comes to delivering with "soul" they are ALL right up there in my books!

And I'm sure you will agree with me Deb, I said this in another thread somewhere on here today, but the difference between someone who can sing and a great singer is that they both can sing, but with a great singer, you don't so much HEAR it as FEEL it.

If a singer's voice stirs something within you, then that makes them a great singer to you.
And we're all different.

But I think most of us have been stirred by Perry.

I soooooo get that. I think Arnel is a fabulous singer, very close to Perry's vocal tone.........he's going to do great in Journey. I'm just not feeling it, I like vocals that when you're listening to a song.......a certain line will be delivered in such a way that just makes you go WOW! I love songs with soaring vocals like on Still They Ride or JSS/Talisman's Back 2 The Feeling.

That's what I mean.
When you FEEL that great vocal, you just close your eyes and have to stop what you are doing and experience it.

[Tito]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

I don't think anyone has made him out to be a legend. At least yet.

[Deb]

Eric Martin is awesome. Seeing him this Sunday, Deb.

Cool Niggy, as I've mentioned to Maria, I want to hear all about it, reviews and pics please. Hope fellow posters Michael Leigh and Eric Ragno have a blast performing sunday too!

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

Jeff's show in San Francisco at the Independent. He mentioned it in Drew's interview:

"I've got a couple shows coming up next week in California.
One's a festival in San Francisco. It's a progressive rock festival of all things. I don't know what I'm doing on that but I'm headlining it. In fact it's gonna be fun because probably for the last time in a long time I'm gonna be mixing up more of the rock set and putting in more of the heavy stuff and especially stuff that I haven't done in the last few years musically and from my past.

And of course, as it's been promoted I've got Eric Martin and Dave and Phil from Y&T coming up to do maybe some Y&T and some Mr Big stuff coming and jam with the band so it's gonna be a fun thing in California and I'm probably gonna be shooting some live footage from that and some exterior stuff and some piecing together some videos with Gary since he's done a lot of my videos in the past."

[Rhiannon]

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

California... dude. Try to keep up.

[NealIsGod]

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

California... dude. Try to keep up.

Bah, I'm East Coast.

[SusieP]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

I don't think anyone has made him out to be a legend. At least yet.

Oh I dunno. My antennae sense a couple of people [at least] attempting this in a covert kind of way.
But they can't fool me.

Anyway, never mind all that. Why haven't you posted us up a picture of yourself in the MR members pic thread?
You know you want to.

[Onestepper]

You have no way of knowing this.

Jeff made his name more famous during the 1st month with Journey than Arnel has the past 10 months he's been with the band.
And almost every fan who was hoping for a new energized Journey has given up on that. The fan base has remained the same, consisting of people who only like the classic sound. Nothing wrong with that either...

No offense, but I went to a Journey show during the JSS time period. Not one of my group of friends that went to the show knew who JSS was, or could tell you his name today. He was just a guy that filled in for the guy that was sick that sounded like Perry. As far as the second half of that statement, you are probably correct that the legacy sound is what is driving sales, and attention.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ellen, CBS Sunday morning, GQ magazine and a few other cameos have sure as shit allowed people to hear Arnel, and the reponse has been overwhelmingly positive.

How exactly did GQ, a magazine, enable people to hear Arnel?
The Ellen show was a subpar performance, and the CBS show played clips from a dvd.

How does this in any way differ from the Augeri clips of Vegas 2001 that were played on Direct TV, Access Hollywood, and VH1 BTM in the lead up to "Arrival"?

But keep up the excuses. They're entertaining.

And you posses the unlocking Rosetta stone as to why Revelation has burned up the charts?
They are adhering to the exact same publicity approach that spelled their failure in 2001.
The only difference is, aside from the firesale Wmart price, is the DVD clips this time out show a frontman even less surefooted and even more awkward – if such a thing is imaginable.

I find it ironic that someone who was watching Cartoon Network during the early Augeri years is giving me a history lesson.

My rutabaga sized prostate and grandkids who hate me would take issue with your reckless disregard for the facts.
I’ve been on this forum and the Usenet boards since 2002, if not earlier.
Where the fuck were you?

People know who he is. I've had friends that have tarred and feathered me for years for being a Journey fan tell me "Journey has a fucking Filipino singer?!?!?" And then when they hear him they generally shut the fuck up. Try it sometime.

Those that can be bothered to care about such things, know Arnel about as well as they did Augeri.
That is to say, there is a Steve Perry clone singing for Journey.

[Rhiannon]

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

California... dude. Try to keep up.

Bah, I'm East Coast.

Some people here are bi-coastal.

[epresley]

Whoa, I don't swing that way!!!!!

[Saint John]

How exactly did GQ, a magazine, enable people to hear Arnel?

Sparked interest and people checked out youtube, perhaps?

The Ellen show was a subpar performance, and the CBS show played clips from a dvd

The crowd seemed to love it!

How does this in any way differ from the Augeri clips of Vegas 2001 that were played on Direct TV, Access Hollywood, and VH1 BTM in the lead up to "Arrival"?.

Far better vocalist.

My rutabaga sized prostate and grandkids who hate me would take issue with your reckless disregard for the facts.
I’ve been on this forum and the Usenet boards since 2002, if not earlier.

Aww, c'mon...you know better than to refute wise cracks!

Where the fuck were you?

Getting drunk and chasing tail would be my guess. I'm "mature" now.

Those that can be bothered to care about such things, know Arnel about as well as they did Augeri.
That is to say, there is a Steve Perry clone singing for Journey.

If you think Arnel sounds like, or tried to sound like, Perry on Revelation well then this conversation is over. The fact that he has the ability to mimic him live and be his own voice on original stuff is a testament to his abilities...not a detriment.

[stevew2]

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

California... dude. Try to keep up.

Bah, I'm East Coast.

Some people here are bi-coastal.

we know Friga is

[Saint John]

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Where is that happening?

California... dude. Try to keep up.

Bah, I'm East Coast.

Some people here are bi-coastal.

we know Friga is

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you think Arnel sounds like, or tried to sound like, Perry on Revelation well then this conversation is over. The fact that he has the ability to mimic him live and be his own voice on original stuff is a testament to his abilities...not a detriment.

And aside from the Whoa-oh-Whoa Sam Cooke-ism found on "All the Way," Augeri didn't sound all that much like Perry...at least not nearly as much as Arnel. Jeremey has already confirmed that the band was looking for someone to sound as close to Perry as possible (as if there was ever any doubt), so this is pointless.

[Greg]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

Who has ever said such? All of his fans recognize his talents for what they are....great! He is well respected around the music business and well respected by many "legends" of the business. So what if he hasn't sold millions of records? It doesn't make him any less of an artist, it just makes him a victim of the game so to speak.

It's what the fans are used to. Unless it's Steve Perry up there singing (in which case range wouldn't matter) the fans want to hear the sound they're used to.

Fans were just fine with Jeff Scott Soto singing for Journey. Never did I ever read a bad concert review of Journey when JSS handled the lead vocals. And as a fan of Journey, I'm used to the band changing lead vocals like they change their socks. Too many "fans" are caught up in how things sounded in the 1980's. The decade is over. How many times does a band have to go to the well until you realize they're just cashing in on the nostalgic memory. If it truly is just about music, why not try something different?

Yeah, ok. Any 30+ year old band can put an album in Wal mart and keep it in the Top 10 for 3 weeks...riiight. I suppose the people from The New York Times, GQ, Ellen, and the CBS Sunday Morning Show are all Wal Mart employees and/or shareholders. And just where was this prophecy before all of the success? Get the fuck outta here.

Worked for the Eagles didn't it? REO Speedwagon did decently with the Wal*Mart distribution. I'm sure the same will happen for AC/DC when their new album comes out. Dude, you need to take the rose colored glasses off and put the pom poms down. And stop with the tough talk, it doesn't work on me. Nobody's buying into it.

[Onestepper]

Fans were just fine with Jeff Scott Soto singing for Journey. Never did I ever read a bad concert review of Journey when JSS handled the lead vocals.

Just because all 'fans' don't write reviews, doesn't mean they were all just fine with JSS. As mentioned before, I brought a large group to a show who were not following the day to day movement of the band, and they were pissed that they had lost that sound with JSS. Actually, they seemed to be more pissed that they spent money on a ticket for a guy that didn't sound like Perry. I think he put on a fine show, but there were plenty that were none too happy.

[tammy]

Eric Martin is awesome. Seeing him this Sunday, Deb.

Cool Niggy, as I've mentioned to Maria, I want to hear all about it, reviews and pics please. Hope fellow posters Michael Leigh and Eric Ragno have a blast performing sunday too!

EM is joining JSSB on Friday night, I am so freakin excited to hear Jeff and Eric sing together I can barely stand myself.

Cool sig, Deb. I happen to especially love SP's photo - the first time I saw it I immediately thought back to my Renaissance Art History classes. (and, I want a full blown one for my closet).
See ya, Saturday.

[Deb]

Don't have one. It's his moronic, disillusioned fans that hold him in the same breath as legends I have a "beef" with.

But it's ok for fans to hold Arnel in the same breath as legends then?

Blimey you are so hard to understand.
Maybe I will come and hide your beer after all.

Exactly, and not to go round and round with you on this again, but you do have a tendency to prefer singers with the high tenor voices. Everybody has different criteria for what they like in vocals. While I'll agree nobody can touch Perry's voice, who are you to call the likes of me disillusioned because I dare breath the words Soto or Martin in the same sentence as Perry? 3 different vocal tones, and when it comes to delivering with "soul" they are ALL right up there in my books!

And I'm sure you will agree with me Deb, I said this in another thread somewhere on here today, but the difference between someone who can sing and a great singer is that they both can sing, but with a great singer, you don't so much HEAR it as FEEL it.

If a singer's voice stirs something within you, then that makes them a great singer to you.
And we're all different.

But I think most of us have been stirred by Perry.

I soooooo get that. I think Arnel is a fabulous singer, very close to Perry's vocal tone.........he's going to do great in Journey. I'm just not feeling it, I like vocals that when you're listening to a song.......a certain line will be delivered in such a way that just makes you go WOW! I love songs with soaring vocals like on Still They Ride or JSS/Talisman's Back 2 The Feeling.

That's what I mean.
When you FEEL that great vocal, you just close your eyes and have to stop what you are doing and experience it.

Sorry Susie, too much coffee this morning, I know you didn't mean it to be, but that last sentence struck me funny, gave me a giggle............kind of in a 'would you like me to turn the light out on my way out, so you can be alone with that lyric'......kinda way.

[Greg]

Fans were just fine with Jeff Scott Soto singing for Journey. Never did I ever read a bad concert review of Journey when JSS handled the lead vocals.

Just because all 'fans' don't write reviews, doesn't mean they were all just fine with JSS. As mentioned before, I brought a large group to a show who were not following the day to day movement of the band, and they were pissed that they had lost that sound with JSS. Actually, they seemed to be more pissed that they spent money on a ticket for a guy that didn't sound like Perry. I think he put on a fine show, but there were plenty that were none too happy.

Journey hadn't had that sound since Steve Perry left. Obviously your large group of friends didn't know what was going on in Journeyland to begin with.

[Onestepper]

Fans were just fine with Jeff Scott Soto singing for Journey. Never did I ever read a bad concert review of Journey when JSS handled the lead vocals.

Just because all 'fans' don't write reviews, doesn't mean they were all just fine with JSS. As mentioned before, I brought a large group to a show who were not following the day to day movement of the band, and they were pissed that they had lost that sound with JSS. Actually, they seemed to be more pissed that they spent money on a ticket for a guy that didn't sound like Perry. I think he put on a fine show, but there were plenty that were none too happy.

Journey hadn't had that sound since Steve Perry left. Obviously your large group of friends didn't know what was going on in Journeyland to begin with.

Uhm. I think that was the point Greg.