OT: SRV vs Clapton

[Arkansas]

<shameless plug>

I still want NS to cover 'Riviera Paradise' on the next Piranha Blues album.


later~

What the hell for....to ruin it? No one can make it any better than the original. Neal would butcher it...

Precisely! I would love to hear for myself this butchering...butcherment...butcherall...whatever. If nothing else, it'd be a comedy of errors. And for those that hate him so, it'd be their crown jewel. Why deny the opportunity?



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[Angiekay]

SRV easily. I love Clapton's playing but it pales in comparison to SRV.

Thank you! ...I'm glad to see the SRV people are finally waking up.

There would be no SRV if it wasn't for Clapton!

Baloney...While I'm sure SRV was a fan of Clapton, all or most of his influences were all the old blues players, guys like B.B King, Freddie King, Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, etc. These are basically the same people that Clapton emulates. SRV never emulated Clapton and SRV wasn't even the same type of player.

I'm sorry, I know your musical tastes and I'll take that with a grain of salt!

[conversationpc]

SRV easily. I love Clapton's playing but it pales in comparison to SRV.

Thank you! ...I'm glad to see the SRV people are finally waking up.

There would be no SRV if it wasn't for Clapton!

Baloney...While I'm sure SRV was a fan of Clapton, all or most of his influences were all the old blues players, guys like B.B King, Freddie King, Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, etc. These are basically the same people that Clapton emulates. SRV never emulated Clapton and SRV wasn't even the same type of player.

I'm sorry, I know your musical tastes and I'll take that with a grain of salt!

Unlike Kansas being my opinion, the above statement about SRV & Clapton is fact. You could ask 100 blues guitarists who is the better blues player and I could almost guarantee you that 95 (or more) of them would say SRV. Clapton is not even in the same league. There's one level with guys like SRV, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, etc., and then there's the next level with guys like Clapton.

[Arkansas]

Uhm, wasn't there a story where right before the helicopter crash that took SRV's life, Clapton said to SRV, "you're the best I've ever seen." So, using some sort of fuzzy logic...since Clapton knew his own playing, this compliment could say 'god' himself considered SRV better than himself, no?


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[larryfromnextdoor]

stevie ray just took it a bit farther.. just like he was instructed to do ....

.. the blues are just a good man feeling bad ,bout a woman he once was with...

muddy waters invented 'lectricity..

i dont think anyone has taken over the torch SINCE srv.... its open.. (besides kenny wayne, and of course gary moore gave it to srv,, from ian moore)

[StoneCold]

Here's what Clapton had to say about Stevie:

I don't think anyone has commanded my respect more, to this day. The first time I heard Stevie Ray, I thought, "Whoever this is, he is going to shake the world." I was in my car and I remember thinking, I have to find out, before the day is over, who that guitar player is.

That doesn't happen to me very often, that I get that way about listening to music. I mean, about three or four times in my life I've felt that way, in a car, listening to the radio, where I've stopped the car, pulled over, listened, and thought, I've got to find out before the end of the day, not, you know, sooner or later, but I have to know NOW who that is.

...and I remember being fascinated by the fact that he never, ever seemed to be...lost in any way...It was as though he never took a breather...or took a pause to think where he was gonna go next, it just flowed out of him.
It's going to be a long time before anyone that brilliant will come along again.

I didn't get to see or hear Stevie play near often enough, but every time I did I got chills and knew I was in the presence of greatness. He seemed to be an open channel and music just flowed through him. It never seemed to dry up.

I have to tell this story: We played on the same bill on his last two gigs. On the first night, I watched his set for about half an hour and then I had to leave because I couldn't handle it!.

I knew enough to know that his playing was just going to get better and better. His set had started, he was like two or three songs in, and I suddenly got this flash that I'd experienced before so many times whenever I'd seen him play, which was that he was like a channel.

One of the purest channels I've ever seen, where everything he sang and played flowed straight down from heaven. Almost like one of those mystic Sufi guys with one finger pointing up and one finger down. That's what it was like to listen to. And I had to leave just to preserve some kind of sanity or confidence in myself.

[Since 78]

Perfection!

Riviera Paradise
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4_uuU81cwVw

[Angiekay]

Unlike Kansas being my opinion, the above statement about SRV & Clapton is fact. You could ask 100 blues guitarists who is the better blues player and I could almost guarantee you that 95 (or more) of them would say SRV. Clapton is not even in the same league. There's one level with guys like SRV, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, etc., and then there's the next level with guys like Clapton.

Again, sorry....it may be "fact" in your world, not in mine. Clapton blows SRV away. Another thing that puts Clapton above SRV is while both men did their share of cover songs, Clapton's writing far exceeds Stevie in both quality and quanity...even with SRV's death.

[Since 78]

Unlike Kansas being my opinion, the above statement about SRV & Clapton is fact. You could ask 100 blues guitarists who is the better blues player and I could almost guarantee you that 95 (or more) of them would say SRV. Clapton is not even in the same league. There's one level with guys like SRV, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, etc., and then there's the next level with guys like Clapton.

Again, sorry....it may be "fact" in your world, not in mine. Clapton blows SRV away. Another thing that puts Clapton above SRV is while both men did their share of cover songs, Clapton's writing far exceeds Stevie in both quality and quanity...even with SRV's death.

Come on Ak, Even Clapton doesn't agree with you

And I had to leave just to preserve some kind of sanity or confidence in myself.

and to say he blows SRV away I mean, I love Clapton but no way!!!!

[Angiekay]

Come on Ak, Even Clapton doesn't agree with you

And I had to leave just to preserve some kind of sanity or confidence in myself.

and to say he blows SRV away I mean, I love Clapton but no way!!!!

Have you read Eric's autobiography? He has been self depreciating since the day he picked up a guitar. He HATED the whole "Clapton is God" thing. That is the whole reason behind his non credit on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and his hiding behind the cover of "Derek" and the Dominos. He would claim ANYONE is a better guitarist then him....to this day.

[Since 78]

Come on Ak, Even Clapton doesn't agree with you

And I had to leave just to preserve some kind of sanity or confidence in myself.

and to say he blows SRV away I mean, I love Clapton but no way!!!!

Have you read Eric's autobiography? He has been self depreciating since the day he picked up a guitar. He HATED the whole "Clapton is God" thing. That is the whole reason behind his non credit on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and his hiding behind the cover of "Derek" and the Dominos. He would claim ANYONE is a better guitarist then him....to this day.

Actually no I haven't read it, Ill have to pick it up. You may have a point there, however as to who is the best? I guess we will have to agree to disagree

[StoneCold]

Except for a few lucky Texas folks, most of us first heard SRV on Bowie's "Let's Dance". Check out "China Girl". His lead at 3:31 - 3:54. Super clean tone, beautiful playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfndZfKFNU&

To this day, one of my favorite SRV cuts is "Cat People" from Bowie's album. He fires that track up from beginning to end.

No yt clip for it but search seeqpod. You'll love it. By the way, its not Bowie's SLOW version from the film.

[Since 78]

Except for a few lucky Texas folks, most of us first heard SRV on Bowie's "Let's Dance". Check out "China Girl". His lead at 3:31 - 3:54. Super clean tone, beautiful playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfndZfKFNU&

To this day, one of my favorite SRV cuts is "Cat People" from Bowie's album. He fires that track up from beginning to end.

No yt clip for it but search seeqpod. You'll love it. By the way, its not Bowie's SLOW version from the film.

Thanks SC, didn't know that was him on China Girl.

[StoneCold]

Except for a few lucky Texas folks, most of us first heard SRV on Bowie's "Let's Dance". Check out "China Girl". His lead at 3:31 - 3:54. Super clean tone, beautiful playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfndZfKFNU&

To this day, one of my favorite SRV cuts is "Cat People" from Bowie's album. He fires that track up from beginning to end.

No yt clip for it but search seeqpod. You'll love it. By the way, its not Bowie's SLOW version from the film.

Thanks SC, didn't know that was him on China Girl.

No sweat 78. When I read Clapton's quote, I'm curious which track it was that he's talking about. "Let's Dance" was released April '83 but "Texas Flood" came out a few month later in June. I thought I read it might've been "Pride and Joy".

Here's a treat. Supposedly this is the Montreaux festival where Bowie saw Stevie and hired him for "Let's Dance".

Pride And Joy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIpIsM4KTLc

[mikemarrs]

i read the clapton biography and he was basically raised by his grandmother who he thought was his mother and he stated that all through his life he has had problems with women and being mixed up because of his upbringing.

[conversationpc]

Come on Ak, Even Clapton doesn't agree with you

And I had to leave just to preserve some kind of sanity or confidence in myself.

and to say he blows SRV away I mean, I love Clapton but no way!!!!

Have you read Eric's autobiography? He has been self depreciating since the day he picked up a guitar. He HATED the whole "Clapton is God" thing. That is the whole reason behind his non credit on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and his hiding behind the cover of "Derek" and the Dominos. He would claim ANYONE is a better guitarist then him....to this day.

First of all, it's "self DEPRECATING". Secondly, you're making an ass of yourself. We're also not talking about song writing in this thread. We're talking about the two as guitarists. Is Clapton a better ROCK guitarist? Perhaps, but SRV is a blues player anyway, so that isn't even comparable. Regardless, as far as blues guitar playing goes, this one is not a matter of opinion. SRV is far and away a better blues player than Clapton and that statement comes from someone who considers "From the Cradle" by Clapton to be one of the best blues albums of all time.

[Angiekay]

Come on Ak, Even Clapton doesn't agree with you

And I had to leave just to preserve some kind of sanity or confidence in myself.

and to say he blows SRV away I mean, I love Clapton but no way!!!!

Have you read Eric's autobiography? He has been self depreciating since the day he picked up a guitar. He HATED the whole "Clapton is God" thing. That is the whole reason behind his non credit on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and his hiding behind the cover of "Derek" and the Dominos. He would claim ANYONE is a better guitarist then him....to this day.

First of all, it's "self DEPRECATING". Secondly, you're making an ass of yourself. We're also not talking about song writing in this thread. We're talking about the two as guitarists. Is Clapton a better ROCK guitarist? Perhaps, but SRV is a blues player anyway, so that isn't even comparable. Regardless, as far as blues guitar playing goes, this one is not a matter of opinion. SRV is far and away a better blues player than Clapton and that statement comes from someone who considers "From the Cradle" by Clapton to be one of the best blues albums of all time.

Since when has a thread stayed on topic around here? I also don't see the distinction between this being between a blues or rock guitarist, yet there YOU go changing the subject. Again, it's a fucking OPINION(I'll go real slow for you. Do....you...know...what.... that...means?)and I don't think SRV comes close to Clapton. Period. At least 78 is smart enough to see we have to agree to disagree. Can't say the same for you. Since when is having an opinion makin an ass of oneself? Damn, if that was the case, you'd win!!

[conversationpc]

Since when has a thread stayed on topic around here? Again, it's a fucking OPINION(I'll go real slow for you. Do....you...know...what.... that...means?)and I don't think SRV comes close to Clapton. Period. At least 78 is smart enough to see we have to agree to disagree. Can't say the same for you. Since when is having an opinion makin an ass of oneself? Damn, if that was the case, you'd win!!

Give me a break. You make an ass of yourself around here as much as anyone else does. You may say your dislike of Kansas, SRV, etc., is an opinion but your presentation certainly leaves much to be desired if that's the way you want it to come across.

Tell me how these comments are supposed to be taken...Certainly doesn't sound like you're sharing an OPINION...

Are you serious!? No contest

There would be no SRV if it wasn't for Clapton!

Clapton blows SRV away. Another thing that puts Clapton above SRV is while both men did their share of cover songs, Clapton's writing far exceeds Stevie in both quality and quanity...even with SRV's death.

The only time you actually stated opinion is when you said you "don't THINK SRV comes close to Clapton."

[Saint John]

Clapton by a .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-4BojWdjRE

[Angiekay]

Since when has a thread stayed on topic around here? Again, it's a fucking OPINION(I'll go real slow for you. Do....you...know...what.... that...means?)and I don't think SRV comes close to Clapton. Period. At least 78 is smart enough to see we have to agree to disagree. Can't say the same for you. Since when is having an opinion makin an ass of oneself? Damn, if that was the case, you'd win!!

Give me a break. You make an ass of yourself around here as much as anyone else does. You may say your dislike of Kansas, SRV, etc., is an opinion but your presentation certainly leaves much to be desired if that's the way you want it to come across.

Tell me how these comments are supposed to be taken...Certainly doesn't sound like you're sharing an OPINION...

Are you serious!? No contest

There would be no SRV if it wasn't for Clapton!

Clapton blows SRV away. Another thing that puts Clapton above SRV is while both men did their share of cover songs, Clapton's writing far exceeds Stevie in both quality and quanity...even with SRV's death.

The only time you actually stated opinion is when you said you "don't THINK SRV comes close to Clapton."

Whatever you say Pot

[NealIsGod]

I love when AKay gets riled up.

[conversationpc]

I love when AKay gets riled up.

Me, too.

[Angiekay]

And there you have it, cuz God KNOWS you can't have an opinion around here without getting "riled up"

Fuck. You.

[Rhiannon]

srv.

[conversationpc]

And there you have it, cuz God KNOWS you can't have an opinion around here without getting "riled up"

Fuck. You.

She looks like she's ready to lick a lollipop or...Well, you know.

[Ehwmatt]

SRV. Just a killer career and his songs had a swagger that most of Clapton's stuff never did. Clapton's good too though. I much prefer Clapton live, that's where his skill really shines through.

[7 Wishes]

They're both overrated, but Clapton has more depth and has a near perfect tone on most of his recordings. SRV is a one-trick horse.

[Since 78]

They're both overrated, but Clapton has more depth and has a near perfect tone on most of his recordings. SRV is a one-trick horse.

Both Overrated
And Yeah, his one trick is he kicks everyone else's ASS!!

[SF-Dano]

They're both overrated, but Clapton has more depth and has a near perfect tone on most of his recordings. SRV is a one-trick horse.

Both Overrated
And Yeah, his one trick is he kicks everyone else's ASS!!

SRV was not a one trick pony. Check out his work with Bowie. Check out his Hendrix covers.

I can't see how anyone who is familiar with the total scope of SRV's career could call him a one trick pony. The man loved the blues and chose to make his main mark in that genre. However, check out some "boots" to see him step out and into the world or Rock, Jazz, Country and Fusion.

[StoneCold]

Another fact most forget. Vaughan made his mark in 7 years. Although he played since he was a kid in the 60's, he was relatively unknown until Bowie's album in '83 and died in '90.

I won't bag on Clapton since I like some of what he's done but if you really want to compare the two, pick 7 straight years of Clapton's work. They're two different styles but I'd rather listen to Stevie first anyday.

At 4:59 check out an old fan of Stevie's from even before his fame.

SNL appearance. "Say What!" / "Change It"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzv8sIB-jhk