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Story behind "The Party's Over (Hopelessly in Love)

Postby NealIsGod » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:42 pm

I posted this in the middle of another post, but no one has answered it, so hopefully this will help.

I used to know this, but what is the story behind the band putting "The Party's Over (Hopelessly in Love)" at the end of the Captured album? I heard a story that they wrote that song in about 15 mins. and recorded it on the spot? Is this true?
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:38 am

Perry and Schon penned that tune in a hotel room and backstage in one day..with Perry on bass guitar and Neal on his own axe..
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:46 am

Great tune.
Sounded even better live this past year.
I have a boot of it if any one is interested (with Deen and Augeri sharing lead vocals and both sounding amazing.)
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Postby Eric » Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:47 pm

I'd love a copy!

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Postby Aaron » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:03 pm

I'd love a copy of that boot too please!

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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:25 pm

NC- Can I have one too, please? Derbydeano@yahoo.com thanks
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:02 am

Guys my computer is having problems and will be re-formatted in a matter of days. I tried sending the file to you all last nite, but my comp. simply won't co-operate. I will try again tonight so be patient. In the meantime, I had previously sent the file to some other posters on this site. Maybe they'd be so kind to send it to you all while I am having troubles.
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Postby Hippie » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:07 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Perry and Schon penned that tune in a hotel room and backstage in one day..with Perry on bass guitar and Neal on his own axe..


I thought that was "Lights".

I have heard that Rolie had already left when they recorded TPO;
so there was someone else on keyboards (not Cain).

That's all I know about.

My Capturedquestion is whether there is an existing studio version of "Dixie Highway". Can't imagine the studio version would do it justice though!
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:45 am

Hippie wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:Perry and Schon penned that tune in a hotel room and backstage in one day..with Perry on bass guitar and Neal on his own axe..


I thought that was "Lights".

I have heard that Rolie had already left when they recorded TPO;
so there was someone else on keyboards (not Cain).

That's all I know about.

My Capturedquestion is whether there is an existing studio version of "Dixie Highway". Can't imagine the studio version would do it justice though!




Hmm. Firstly, does "The Party's Over" even have a keyboard in it? I do not know. Secondly, "Lights" was written by Perry(lyrics), and I believe it was written about Los Angeles when Steve lived there. I seem to remember that it was originally "When the Lights, go down on Mulhullond.." I may be wrong, but I did hear that from a reputive source. About TPO and who wrote it...I do think it was Steve but will check on that. However, I do seem to think that the backstage part of my original post may be incorrect. Seperate Ways may have been what I was thinking with Steve on bass and it being backstage.. I will confirm all my bullshit, okay?
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Postby mnmsjrny » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:02 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Perry and Schon penned that tune

Hmm. Firstly, does "The Party's Over" even have a keyboard in it? I do not know. Secondly, "Lights" was written by Perry(lyrics), and I believe it was written about Los Angeles when Steve lived there. I seem to remember that it was originally "When the Lights, go down on Mulhullond.." I may be wrong, but I did hear that from a reputive source. About TPO and who wrote it...I do think it was Steve but will check on that. However, I do seem to think that the backstage part of my original post may be incorrect. Seperate Ways may have been what I was thinking with Steve on bass and it being backstage.. I will confirm all my bullshit, okay?


Yes, "The Party's Over" does have a keyboard in it. It was played by a studio musician -- I think his name was Tim Gorman, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

"Lights" was originally penned about LA when Perry lived there. Those of us who live in the SF Bay Area choose to ignore that fact. :)

"Separate Ways" was written by Jon & Steve, no Neal, so that's not the tune you're thinking of. The only Neal/Steve songwriting story I know is "Patiently", but I'm sure there must be others that I've forgotten over the years...
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Postby Hippie » Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:20 pm

I was just flipping through the Time 3 booklet and there's a passage where Rolie reminisced on how, after his "audition" Perry strapped on a bass and played "Lights" for him and the band.

A little further down it mentions the first song Perry and Schon wrote together which was "Patiently"
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:21 pm

Patiently WAS the song written by Steve and Neal in a hotel room (in Denver). It was the first thing they wrote together and it ignited their chemistry. It wsa that song that convinced NEal that Perry was the right choice after all.

The Party's Over was INCORRECTLY credited to Tim Gorman on Keyboards. Tim has worked with Ross in The VU so there is a Journey connection. However, Stevie Keys performed keyboards on TPO. Stevie Keys also has a working relationship with Ross and other Journey members.
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Postby Argus » Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:00 pm

mnmsjrny wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:Perry and Schon penned that tune

Hmm. Firstly, does "The Party's Over" even have a keyboard in it? I do not know. Secondly, "Lights" was written by Perry(lyrics), and I believe it was written about Los Angeles when Steve lived there. I seem to remember that it was originally "When the Lights, go down on Mulhullond.." I may be wrong, but I did hear that from a reputive source. About TPO and who wrote it...I do think it was Steve but will check on that. However, I do seem to think that the backstage part of my original post may be incorrect. Seperate Ways may have been what I was thinking with Steve on bass and it being backstage.. I will confirm all my bullshit, okay?


Yes, "The Party's Over" does have a keyboard in it. It was played by a studio musician -- I think his name was Tim Gorman, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

"Lights" was originally penned about LA when Perry lived there. Those of us who live in the SF Bay Area choose to ignore that fact. :)

"Separate Ways" was written by Jon & Steve, no Neal, so that's not the tune you're thinking of. The only Neal/Steve songwriting story I know is "Patiently", but I'm sure there must be others that I've forgotten over the years...


Not Tim Gorman but Steve Roseman [or Stevie Keys as he is dubbed]
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Postby mikemarrs » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:01 pm

is there a studio version of dixie highway?
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:39 pm

Hmm, since this topic got re-surrected, I believe SP had sole writing credit on TPO(HIL). It is song he wrote near the end of the Departure tour in which he presented to the band at a sound check in Detroit. He says he writes a lot of songs and hooks on the bass guitar.

Dixie Highway was a song they came up with collectively in a jam session, also on tour. These were the 2 new songs put on the double LP, Captured. Dixie Highway being live, and TPO was studio-recorded after Gregg formally left the band -- to wind up Captured.

DH was always played live -- don't know of a recorded version. The band started playing TPO a lot with Jon on board, mostly during the Escape tour.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:29 am

The Party's Over's one of the best songs perry's ever written, probly THE best for my coin.

Good angst coming out.

Also a near total "Departure" from the bluesier Hammond-driven vibe of the Rolie era.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:49 am

I never was into TPO but I love it now.
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Postby lights1961 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:27 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:I never was into TPO but I love it now.


the version on the live escape 1981 CD is awesome and hearing in 2004 was great too...

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Postby yulog » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:26 am

Does anyone have the live version with Augeri and castronova can you pm me with it ,thanks.
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Postby Deb » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:02 am

lights1961 wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:I never was into TPO but I love it now.


the version on the live escape 1981 CD is awesome and hearing in 2004 was great too...

Rick


Agreed. Probably my favorite INTRO on a Journey song. Perry's vocals, then right into Neal's guitar......love it!
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Postby Schon Rules All » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:26 am

lights1961 wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:I never was into TPO but I love it now.


the version on the live escape 1981 CD is awesome and hearing in 2004 was great too...

Rick


Me as well... I would really like to hear that
I want a new tour bus filled with old guitars...
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:40 am

Did Perry ever include it in any of his solo shows?

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Postby Aaron » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:46 am

In my opinion, this is the best version of TPO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftBqKk_Bv5U
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Postby LazzMan » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:54 am

Gunbot wrote:Did Perry ever include it in any of his solo shows?

Audio only 2004
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2NMdsOD8JU&feature=related

video 1981
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6B4u361NPXs


Holy shit. Perry just shreds that song. That's an awesome version. If that song would have been on the Escape album it would have charted high for sure. They could have pulled off "Lay It Down" and added TPO. THAT would have been perfect.
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:00 am

LazzMan wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Did Perry ever include it in any of his solo shows?

Audio only 2004
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2NMdsOD8JU&feature=related

video 1981
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6B4u361NPXs


Holy shit. Perry just shreds that song. That's an awesome version. If that song would have been on the Escape album it would have charted high for sure. They could have pulled off "Lay It Down" and added TPO. THAT would have been perfect.


Not 'Lay it Down'!! That's the only song on that album that shows their ability to rock out.
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Postby LazzMan » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:09 am

Gunbot wrote:
LazzMan wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Did Perry ever include it in any of his solo shows?

Audio only 2004
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2NMdsOD8JU&feature=related

video 1981
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6B4u361NPXs


Holy shit. Perry just shreds that song. That's an awesome version. If that song would have been on the Escape album it would have charted high for sure. They could have pulled off "Lay It Down" and added TPO. THAT would have been perfect.


Not 'Lay it Down'!! That's the only song on that album that shows their ability to rock out.


Not true. 'Keep On Runnin'' is a much better rockin' tune than 'Lay It Down'. Even 'Dead Or Alive' is better. Either way, TPO would have made for a perfect album.
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Postby annie89509 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:45 pm

Gunbot wrote:Did Perry ever include it in any of his solo shows?

Audio only 2004
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2NMdsOD8JU&feature=related

video 1981
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6B4u361NPXs

I don't believe Steve played TPO on any of his FTLOSM shows. Ironically, he chose to include Dixie Highway on most of the setlists -- not a good decision, imo.
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Postby mikemarrs » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:15 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pMx8jXoRzN0& ... re=related

i like the 1980 journey version better but here is the '94 solo highway here.....
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Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:00 am

mnmsjrny wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:Perry and Schon penned that tune

Hmm. Firstly, does "The Party's Over" even have a keyboard in it? I do not know. Secondly, "Lights" was written by Perry(lyrics), and I believe it was written about Los Angeles when Steve lived there. I seem to remember that it was originally "When the Lights, go down on Mulhullond.." I may be wrong, but I did hear that from a reputive source. About TPO and who wrote it...I do think it was Steve but will check on that. However, I do seem to think that the backstage part of my original post may be incorrect. Seperate Ways may have been what I was thinking with Steve on bass and it being backstage.. I will confirm all my bullshit, okay?


Yes, "The Party's Over" does have a keyboard in it. It was played by a studio musician -- I think his name was Tim Gorman, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

"Lights" was originally penned about LA when Perry lived there. Those of us who live in the SF Bay Area choose to ignore that fact. :)

"Separate Ways" was written by Jon & Steve, no Neal, so that's not the tune you're thinking of. The only Neal/Steve songwriting story I know is "Patiently", but I'm sure there must be others that I've forgotten over the years...



I thought there was audio somewhere of Steve Perry introducing "Lights" and saying "a song written about my hometown, San Francisco."?
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:03 am

Yea, that auido is on Captured and Time3.
Perry DID write it about LA I think when he was down there w/ the Alien Project.

But then he brought it to Journey and the whole motif changed to San Francisco.
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