will perry return?

[Saint John]

How can you destroy something that you almost single-handedly built?

He had no right to deconstruct anything. He was hired and did what he was hired to do...sing. By your logic, a father that is the main source of income has the right to just throw his wife and kids in the street at any time he chooses, merely because he "built" it in the first place. What narcissistic bullshit.

He had already brought "all the success" to the band

Funny how Neal is quotable and has credibility at your convenience. Herbie was the source of ALL of the success. Comprende?? ALL of it. Perry took over, for all intents and purposes, around 1984. How'd that go?

In the grand scheme, it did not "destroy" jack, or they wouldn't be touring and re-recording the Perry era material nearly 30 years later.

He destroyed that incarnation and made sure that when he left they had as little momentum as possible. Their was no passing of the torch. Just a bitter fuck that couldn't see the band move on without him because HE did NOT take care of himself.

Because they continue to use the same business model,

That's what corporations do.

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

We'll see how many Revelation tunes are played in the US tour after the first month or so.

3 or 4

I wasn't one who wanted anything from the band except a departure from the legacy train

Sorry, but Journey has a defined sound and that sound is wrapped around a high tenor. They'd have to completely deviate from what they have done best for OVER 25 years and at this point that's simply ridiculous.

Soto seemed like the guy to move them away from all that.

He sure did. And right into obscurity rather than the worldwide attention that they have now.

Now we are back to the legacy train

Journey sounding like Journey...what a ridiculous concept.

I'm not feeling a newer, fresher Journey.

I'm hearing a wonderfully familiar sound with a new voice.

[Matthew]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

[NealIsGod]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

Funny, I thought Neal and Jon played on and co-wrote much of the Perry-era material. Didn't know that singing the studio version of a song gives that singer exclusive rights to performing it live.

[Matthew]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

Funny, I thought Neal and Jon played on and co-wrote much of the Perry-era material. Didn't know that singing the studio version of a song gives that singer exclusive rights to performing it live.

Who said it did? I was questioning the logic of Saint John's reasoning. He said they had the right to perform the Perry era songs almost exclusively because...er...they've recorded albums without him.

And by the way...Perry didn't just 'sing the studio versions'. Typical sly attempt to minimize his importance to the band...

[Saint John]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

Funny, I thought Neal and Jon played on and co-wrote much of the Perry-era material. Didn't know that singing the studio version of a song gives that singer exclusive rights to performing it live.

Bravo, NIG. Just like it gave Perry the right to have musicians play the music of Neal, Jon, Ross, Smitty, etc. By Matthew's logic, Perry should have sung a cappella on the FTLOSM tour since he had no "right" to play their musical parts. How fucking utterly stupid. You remain a Euro-Dope, Matthew.

[Saint John]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

Funny, I thought Neal and Jon played on and co-wrote much of the Perry-era material. Didn't know that singing the studio version of a song gives that singer exclusive rights to performing it live.

Who said it did? I was questioning the logic of Saint John's reasoning. He said they had the right to perform the Perry era songs almost exclusively because...er...they've recorded albums without him.

And by the way...Perry didn't just 'sing the studio versions'. Typical sly attempt to minimize his importance to the band...

Journey can play any Journey song...that easy enough for you to understand, dipshit?

[Rhiannon]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

Funny, I thought Neal and Jon played on and co-wrote much of the Perry-era material. Didn't know that singing the studio version of a song gives that singer exclusive rights to performing it live.

Who said it did? I was questioning the logic of Saint John's reasoning. He said they had the right to perform the Perry era songs almost exclusively because...er...they've recorded albums without him.

No, no, Matthew... look at Journey like this... for the past 30-some years this machine called Journey has consistently been in existance. In one form or another, down time here and there, there was Journey. That machine created things over the course of time through whatever variation they currently sported. Logically, since the machine is still going, they have the right to perform their own material. In whatever combination/repetitiveness they see fit. The Journey machine began before Perry, and 10 years after he left, they're still going. They're famous for songs that have a certain vocalist on them, but make no mistake, that fame was due to a GROUP effort. Not one man. All parties have the right to perform those songs. Only a few of them still choose to do so.

[Matthew]

re-recording the GH and touring them ALMOST exclusively.

As is their right. They were Journey before Perry and are still Journey after Perry.

No, that reasoning gives them the "right" to tour playing just the material from the first three albums and the last three. And I can really see that show going down a storm this summer....

Funny, I thought Neal and Jon played on and co-wrote much of the Perry-era material. Didn't know that singing the studio version of a song gives that singer exclusive rights to performing it live.

Bravo, NIG. Just like it gave Perry the right to have musicians play the music of Neal, Jon, Ross, Smitty, etc. By Matthew's logic, Perry should have sung a cappella on the FTLOSM tour since he had no "right" to play their musical parts. How fucking utterly stupid. You remain a Euro-Dope, Matthew.

Oh look...here's Saint "Work Ethic" John...slacking off work to spend hours on an internet messageboard lecturing a multi-millionaire rock star on how he ought to have lived his life...

[Saint John]

Oh look...here's Saint "Work Ethic" John...slacking off work to spend hours on an internet messageboard lecturing a multi-millionaire rock star on how he ought to have lived his life...

Jealous, eh? I'll be in Bloomington, Indiana tonight jamming to Frontiers. I'll be sure to tell Jermey and Co. that they have no "right" to play Journey songs because Matty The Euro Tool says it's not their "right." Dude, go choke on a croissant or something.

[Matthew]

No, no, Matthew... look at Journey like this... for the past 30-some years this machine called Journey has consistently been in existance. In one form or another, down time here and there, there was Journey. That machine created things over the course of time through whatever variation they currently sported. Logically, since the machine is still going, they have the right to perform their own material. In whatever combination/repetitiveness they see fit. The Journey machine began before Perry, and 10 years after he left, they're still going. They're famous for songs that have a certain vocalist on them, but make no mistake, that fame was due to a GROUP effort. Not one man. All parties have the right to perform those songs. Only a few of them still choose to do so.

Two things:

1) Where is this rich sweep of history in the band's sets? 95% of the songs are drawn from a two year period.

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

[NealIsGod]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

[youkeepmewaiting]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

Indeed. I wonder how much money Perry has made since 1998 with Journey touring?...

[Matthew]

Oh look...here's Saint "Work Ethic" John...slacking off work to spend hours on an internet messageboard lecturing a multi-millionaire rock star on how he ought to have lived his life...

Jealous, eh? I'll be in Bloomington, Indiana tonight jamming to Frontiers. I'll be sure to tell Jermey and Co. that they have no "right" to play Journey songs because Matty The Euro Tool says it's not their "right." Dude, go choke on a croissant or something.

Wow...you're either unaware of the absurdity of your daily existence or you simply have no shame.

[Irwin M Fletcher]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

[NealIsGod]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

Indeed. I wonder how much money Perry has made since 1998 with Journey touring?...

I'm sure SJ knows, or will say it forcefully enough to sound like he does.

[Matthew]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

[NealIsGod]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

They know us. How the fuck do you think they found Arnel and Jeremey?

[NealIsGod]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

Nope, I have no problem with Perry being paid like a mofo.

[youkeepmewaiting]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

No the band knows the forum and some of it's people.

Your just annoyed because you make shit post and rape you kitten.

[Rhiannon]

1) Where is this rich sweep of history in the band's sets? 95% of the songs are drawn from a two year period

Indeed. Those guys had the right combination at the right time and thanks in part to all... Perry, Neal, Jon, Smitty, Ross, Herbie, everybody. I don't agree with this argument that Perry carried Journey or made them what they were. He's not the musical Messiah. He came along into a mixture of all the right things (as did Frig) which exploded at the right time and made them megahuge. That's all I'm saying. Group effort. Not one dude alone is responsible for the fact that we all know Separate Ways or DSB by heart. All of them are.

[Matthew]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

Hey thanks for chipping in Mr Mature. But I'm wondering...what's brought you here to a forum where people discuss a band that doesn't know you?

[NealIsGod]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

No the band knows the forum and some of it's people.

Your just annoyed because you make shit post and rape you kitten.

[Saint John]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

Perry quit on his bandmates and the fact that he didn't tour from 1986 to 1998 (or since for that matter!) proves that. He fired himself by refusing to tour. When employees refuse to work you have to tell them they're fired because that's obviously what they want.

[Matthew]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

Nope, I have no problem with Perry being paid like a mofo.

Okay NiG. Apologies...

[Irwin M Fletcher]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

No the band knows the forum and some of it's people.

Your just annoyed because you make shit post and rape you kitten.

how mature

[Red13JoePa]

It IS bullshit that he got paid just because they PLAYED live without him.

BUT, that's on the band for not fighting that ridiculous condition hard enough.

[Irwin M Fletcher]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

Hey thanks for chipping in Mr Mature. But I'm wondering...what's brought you here to a forum where people discuss a band that doesn't know you?

ok i wont post anymore seen as u seem to b in charge...sir.

p.s i didn't know journey had any fans under 10

[NealIsGod]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

Nope, I have no problem with Perry being paid like a mofo.

Okay NiG. Apologies...

I have nothing but respect and downright awe for Perry's contributions, but I do hold him responsible for his part in depriving the fans of a few more great Journey albums in the late 80's-early 90's.

[Matthew]

2) I never said Journey didn't have the right. I was questioning Saint John's logic in thne way he justified that right in a specific remark he made. So you'll get no argument from me. Journey can play whatever they want. As long as the main man gets his rightful share of the income from it....which by all accounts he has and has got paid quite nicely too.

Yup, like a mofo.

And I imagine in a similar situation you would have rolled over and allowed your colleagues to profit from your work..after they'd fired you.

Perry quit on his bandmates and the fact that he didn't tour from 1986 to 1998 (or since for that matter!) proves that. He fired himself by refusing to tour. When employees refuse to work you have to tell them they're fired because that's obviously what they want.

So you would have rolled over? Say there was a project at work you co-designed and were the public face of the project too. And you fell ill or lost motivation and got fired. Would you really just forfeit all claims of the work you've done when you were healthy and/or motivated? You'd just let your colleagues go ahead and take all the cash?

If so..then you're a muppet.

[youkeepmewaiting]

jesus, u guys do sum arguing over nothing here! are u all under 10 years old or sumthin? grow the fuck up and stop arguing over sum band that dont even know you!!!

Hey thanks for chipping in Mr Mature. But I'm wondering...what's brought you here to a forum where people discuss a band that doesn't know you?

ok i wont post anymore seen as u seem to b in charge...sir.

p.s i didn't know journey had any fans under 10

Well your here arnt you?