'Revelation': now a gold CD .......

[STORY_TELLER]

What a way to 'back door' into gold status.....

Why are so concerned which "door" Journey enters to get into the Gold room? It's Gold...deal with it.

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

I'll go along with what the RIAA says. You can abide by/make up your own rules. No skin off my rod.

No, but your transparency lies in touting something you know isn't honest.

[Saint John]

What a way to 'back door' into gold status.....

Why are so concerned which "door" Journey enters to get into the Gold room? It's Gold...deal with it.

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

I'll go along with what the RIAA says. You can abide by/make up your own rules. No skin off my rod.

No, but your transparency lies in touting something you know isn't honest.

Incorrect. It's gonna sell what it's gonna sell, and I can guarantee you in will sell 500,000 packages and meet your standard for Gold.

[separate_wayz]

What a way to 'back door' into gold status.....

Why are so concerned which "door" Journey enters to get into the Gold room? It's Gold...deal with it.

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

Apples and oranges. Journey and Wal-Mart (1) played by the rules and (2) marketed a product at good value. That's what has caused them to have a not-yet-certified gold album.

You can't package 10 CDs together with one song on each because of the RIAA rules. The rules are that for a "multi-disc set", the entire package must have "a minimum running time of 100 minutes". The entire 'Revelation' package has 56:27 minutes (CD1) + 48:44 minutes (CD2) = 105:11 minutes.

http://www.riaa.org/goldandplatinum.php ... r=criteria

So should Journey be singled-out for playing by the rules? Do different standards apply to Journey than to other bands?

[Saint John]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

[STORY_TELLER]

What a way to 'back door' into gold status.....

Why are so concerned which "door" Journey enters to get into the Gold room? It's Gold...deal with it.

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

Apples and oranges. Journey and Wal-Mart (1) played by the rules and (2) marketed a product at good value. That's what has caused them to have a not-yet-certified gold album.

You can't package 10 CDs together with one song on each because of the RIAA rules. The rules are that for a "multi-disc set", the entire package must have "a minimum running time of 100 minutes". The entire 'Revelation' package has 56:27 minutes (CD1) + 48:44 minutes (CD2) = 105:11 minutes.

http://www.riaa.org/goldandplatinum.php ... r=criteria

So should Journey be singled-out for playing by the rules? Do different standards apply to Journey than to other bands?

Talk about missing the forrest for the trees....

Fine, for all the shallow thinkers:
Even if the next album package had 10 full CD's worth of material in one package it still would not be an honest gold status because 500,000 people will still not have purchased the package.

You can tout "the rule" all you want, it doesn't mean it's honest math. I'm about honesty and fair play. Giving true credit where credit is due. Unlike the agenda jockeys who post here on minute by minute basis.

The issue is that some people on the board are crowing and touting a sales figure that they know isn't accurate.

When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album. IF Revelation reaches platinum, the crowers on the board will say just as many people purchased Revelation as TBF, but you all know that isn't true. It's false math no matter how you try and justify it. Sweeping it under the rug doesn't make it any the less true.

[S2M]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

Well - I will tell you why it is, or will sell more than Arrival, Red13, and Generations put together.....because the music is higher quality. Although I did like a few of the rockers on Arrival, most of the other stuff has been a feeble attempt to go off on a very weird, musical tangent. IMHO.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

Week 6 - It's an impulse buy, because Wal-Mart causes people to buy things on impulse.

(as if people without CD players or deaf people are buying Revelation just because it's sold at Wal-Mart and they happen to walk by the display.)

[STORY_TELLER]

Incorrect. It's gonna sell what it's gonna sell, and I can guarantee you in will sell 500,000 packages and meet your standard for Gold.

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

[Michigan Girl]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

Week 6 - It's an impulse buy, because Wal-Mart causes people to buy things on impulse.

(as if people without CD players or deaf people are buying Revelation just because it's sold at Wal-Mart and they happen to walk by the display.)

Week 5- Everyone has bought all the GOOD new releases....this was the only choice left!!!

Course, I haven't bought one yet...I'll let you know why I did it when I do!!!!

[separate_wayz]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

My favorite one is #2. The argument waffles between (1) "it's those damn re-records that are driving sales!", and (2) "no one wants to listen to those damn re-records!". Well, which is it, douchebag?!?

Again, more than 100 minutes of music, including new songs that are getting airplay, plus a live concert DVD of 1:03 hours of music ..... all for $11.88. That's a pretty damn amazing bargain, and fantastic marketing. It's basically saying (1) if you're buying the album for the new music, we'll thrown in a CD of re-records and a DVD for free; or, (2) if you're buying the album for the old music, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a DVD for free; or, (3) if you're buying the album for the DVD, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a re-record of old music for free. Given a CD of good quality new music, this is why it will go platinum. The price point is unbeatable.

Oh, and if Journey wanted to not-play-by-the-rules, they'd argue that all those DVDs they're selling in 'Revelation' should be counted as RIAA-certified multi-platinum DVD sales. But they're not. The DVD just sweetens the pot.

[STORY_TELLER]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

My favorite one is #2. The argument waffles between (1) "it's those damn re-records that are driving sales!", and (2) "no one wants to listen to those damn re-records!". Well, which is it, douchebag?!?

Again, more than 100 minutes of music, including new songs that are getting airplay, plus a live concert DVD of 1:03 hours of music ..... all for $11.88. That's a pretty damn amazing bargain, and fantastic marketing. It's basically saying (1) if you're buying the album for the new music, we'll thrown in a CD of re-records and a DVD for free; or, (2) if you're buying the album for the old music, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a DVD for free; or, (3) if you're buying the album for the DVD, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a re-record of old music for free. Given a CD of good quality new music, this is why it will go platinum. The price point is unbeatable.

Oh, and if Journey wanted to not-play-by-the-rules, they'd argue that all those DVDs they're selling in 'Revelation' should be counted as RIAA-certified multi-platinum DVD sales. But they're not. The DVD just sweetens the pot.

Dude, I think it's a tremendous bargain. A fantastic package. I bought it the first day it went on sale. I use the DVD to show people what they can expect at a show in an effort to get them to go with me and the mrs. We're going to see them in July, can't wait!

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE RIAA RULE IS BULLSHIT ON ITS FACE. ...ahem...

[Eric]

When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.

TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!

[separate_wayz]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

My favorite one is #2. The argument waffles between (1) "it's those damn re-records that are driving sales!", and (2) "no one wants to listen to those damn re-records!". Well, which is it, douchebag?!?

Again, more than 100 minutes of music, including new songs that are getting airplay, plus a live concert DVD of 1:03 hours of music ..... all for $11.88. That's a pretty damn amazing bargain, and fantastic marketing. It's basically saying (1) if you're buying the album for the new music, we'll thrown in a CD of re-records and a DVD for free; or, (2) if you're buying the album for the old music, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a DVD for free; or, (3) if you're buying the album for the DVD, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a re-record of old music for free. Given a CD of good quality new music, this is why it will go platinum. The price point is unbeatable.

Oh, and if Journey wanted to not-play-by-the-rules, they'd argue that all those DVDs they're selling in 'Revelation' should be counted as RIAA-certified multi-platinum DVD sales. But they're not. The DVD just sweetens the pot.

Dude, I think it's a tremendous bargain. A fantastic package. I bought it the first day it went on sale. I use the DVD to show people what they can expect at a show in an effort to get them to go with me and the mrs. We're going to see them in July, can't wait!

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE RIAA RULE IS BULLSHIT ON ITS FACE. ...ahem...

Bullshit to whom?

You say to-MA-to, I say to-MAH-to ..... why argue with the RIAA rule? What's the point? I mean, they're playing by the same rules as every other band, and so now they have an apparent gold CD. They played by the same rules with 'Arrival' -- it didn't go gold. They played by the same rules with 'Red13' -- it didn't go gold. They played by the same rules with 'Generations' -- it didn't go gold. Why poke 'em in the eye, now that they're finally achieving some commercial success?

Personally, if I were to argue the RIAA rules, I'd argue that all those CD sales included with 'Revelation' should be counted as "music video long-form" DVD sales according to the RIAA, thereby making the 'Revelation' concert DVD a 5x-platinum DVD. But they don't count, and the rule's not changing. So why argue?

(By the way .... it's "Mr. Dude" to you.)

[S2M]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

My favorite one is #2. The argument waffles between (1) "it's those damn re-records that are driving sales!", and (2) "no one wants to listen to those damn re-records!". Well, which is it, douchebag?!?

Again, more than 100 minutes of music, including new songs that are getting airplay, plus a live concert DVD of 1:03 hours of music ..... all for $11.88. That's a pretty damn amazing bargain, and fantastic marketing. It's basically saying (1) if you're buying the album for the new music, we'll thrown in a CD of re-records and a DVD for free; or, (2) if you're buying the album for the old music, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a DVD for free; or, (3) if you're buying the album for the DVD, we'll thrown in a CD of new music and a re-record of old music for free. Given a CD of good quality new music, this is why it will go platinum. The price point is unbeatable.

Oh, and if Journey wanted to not-play-by-the-rules, they'd argue that all those DVDs they're selling in 'Revelation' should be counted as RIAA-certified multi-platinum DVD sales. But they're not. The DVD just sweetens the pot.

Dude, I think it's a tremendous bargain. A fantastic package. I bought it the first day it went on sale. I use the DVD to show people what they can expect at a show in an effort to get them to go with me and the mrs. We're going to see them in July, can't wait!

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE RIAA RULE IS BULLSHIT ON ITS FACE. ...ahem...

Bullshit to whom?

You say to-MA-to, I say to-MAH-to ..... why argue with the RIAA rule? What's the point? I mean, they're playing by the same rules as every other band, and so now they have an apparent gold CD. They played by the same rules with 'Arrival' -- it didn't go gold. They played by the same rules with 'Red13' -- it didn't go gold. They played by the same rules with 'Generations' -- it didn't go gold. Why poke 'em in the eye, now that they're finally achieving some commercial success?

Personally, if I were to argue the RIAA rules, I'd argue that all those CD sales included with 'Revelation' should be counted as "music video long-form" DVD sales according to the RIAA, thereby making the 'Revelation' concert DVD a 5x-platinum DVD. But they don't count, and the rule's not changing. So why argue?

Dude, what 'Revelation' needs is more cowbell....

[Saint John]

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

Your logic sucks a big, black cock. What about when people bought vinyl, then 8 track, then cassette and finally CD??? Should there be some fucking sytem to back and try and figure out how many people had multiple purchases? Or are you telling me that of the 14 million copies of Journey's GH that no one bought it 2, 3, 4 and 5 times. Call the RIAA right fucking now and inform them that GH is NOT 14X Platinum and that YOU know how many times Platinum it really is...or just shut the fuck and accept the fact that Revelation is Gold already.

[ScarabGator]

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

Your logic sucks a big, black cock. What about when people bought vinyl, then 8 track, then cassette and finally CD??? Should there be some fucking sytem to back and try and figure out how many people had multiple purchases? Or are you telling me that of the 14 million copies of Journey's GH that no one bought it 2, 3, 4 and 5 times. Call the RIAA right fucking now and inform them that GH is NOT 14X Platinum and that YOU know how many times Platinum it really is...or just shut the fuck and accept the fact that Revelation is Gold already.

Try to answer this!!!!

[separate_wayz]

Dude, what 'Revelation' needs is more cowbell....

I think we can all agree that 'Revelation' would be 87-times Platinum if it had more cowbell. Damn shortage of cowbell on that Billboard chart.

(Oh, and it's "Mr. Dude" to you, too.)

[RocknRoll]

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

Your logic sucks a big, black cock. What about when people bought vinyl, then 8 track, then cassette and finally CD??? Should there be some fucking sytem to back and try and figure out how many people had multiple purchases? Or are you telling me that of the 14 million copies of Journey's GH that no one bought it 2, 3, 4 and 5 times. Call the RIAA right fucking now and inform them that GH is NOT 14X Platinum and that YOU know how many times Platinum it really is...or just shut the fuck and accept the fact that Revelation is Gold already.

15X?

[S2M]

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

Your logic sucks a big, black cock. What about when people bought vinyl, then 8 track, then cassette and finally CD??? Should there be some fucking sytem to back and try and figure out how many people had multiple purchases? Or are you telling me that of the 14 million copies of Journey's GH that no one bought it 2, 3, 4 and 5 times. Call the RIAA right fucking now and inform them that GH is NOT 14X Platinum and that YOU know how many times Platinum it really is...or just shut the fuck and accept the fact that Revelation is Gold already.

Try to answer this!!!!

Dude, c'mon....are you fucking serious?

If someone bought an 8 track, album, cassette, and CD - it would count as 4, and thus still an honest number because it is still, in essense, the same recording.

'Revelation' is the NEW material. NOT the DVD, or the re-recorded material....

You have to be joking, right?

[Saint John]

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

Your logic sucks a big, black cock. What about when people bought vinyl, then 8 track, then cassette and finally CD??? Should there be some fucking sytem to back and try and figure out how many people had multiple purchases? Or are you telling me that of the 14 million copies of Journey's GH that no one bought it 2, 3, 4 and 5 times. Call the RIAA right fucking now and inform them that GH is NOT 14X Platinum and that YOU know how many times Platinum it really is...or just shut the fuck and accept the fact that Revelation is Gold already.

Try to answer this!!!!

Dude, c'mon....are you fucking serious?

If someone bought an 8 track, album, cassette, and CD - it would count as 4, and thus still an honest number because it is still, in essense, the same recording.

'Revelation' is the NEW material. NOT the DVD, or the re-recorded material....

You have to be joking, right?

The initial argument that Story Teller presented was that in order for something to be honest that the number of RIAA certified copies had to directly match the number of PEOPLE that purchased it...and said people buying the same thing 2,3,4,5 times inflates that number dramatically. Hence, by this logic, GH, according to Story Teller, is NOT 14X Platinum. Someone call the RIAA and please tell them that they have to recount their entire certified allbum catalog with a secret formula that only Story Teller knows.

[ScarabGator]

And at that point, I'll be jumping up and down and hailing them reaching an honest gold status. When Journey reached gold with individual albums it was because 500,000 people bought it. That's an honest quantifiable measurement of the size of the fan base and sales income earned.

I don't care who set the rule, this double disk math is not honest - for ANY band. And you know it-

Your logic sucks a big, black cock. What about when people bought vinyl, then 8 track, then cassette and finally CD??? Should there be some fucking sytem to back and try and figure out how many people had multiple purchases? Or are you telling me that of the 14 million copies of Journey's GH that no one bought it 2, 3, 4 and 5 times. Call the RIAA right fucking now and inform them that GH is NOT 14X Platinum and that YOU know how many times Platinum it really is...or just shut the fuck and accept the fact that Revelation is Gold already.

Try to answer this!!!!

Dude, c'mon....are you fucking serious?

If someone bought an 8 track, album, cassette, and CD - it would count as 4, and thus still an honest number because it is still, in essense, the same recording.

'Revelation' is the NEW material. NOT the DVD, or the re-recorded material....

You have to be joking, right?

Did YOU buy it?

[S2M]

Of course I bought it.....why wouldn't I?

A better question would have been: 'Did you buy Red13, or Generations?' Then I would have said, 'NO!'

[ScarabGator]

Of course I bought it.....why wouldn't I?

A better question would have been: 'Did you buy Red13, or Generations?' Then I would have said, 'NO!'

Too bad. I bought both of those and as they arent Journey's finest recordings I still enjoyed them.

[amaron]

When TBF reached platinum it was because a million people purchased the single disk album.

TBF SHIPPED platinum so we could argue that if only 250,000 shipped it wouldn't be Platinum yet!

That is incorrect.

TBF was certified platinum in December of 1996... but released in October 1996.

But the fact remains that 1,000,000 people did not buy TBF in 3 months. If they did, it would have been on the charts for longer than it was.

[wednesday's child]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-"Journey's touring to support it --thats CHEATING.
Week 6-"All the other music out there is utter shit, so it's not fair"
Week 7-"It's all of them fucking Americans buying it"
Week 8-"Yeah, well it's only #2 on the Latino charts".
Week 9-"Yeah, well I'm a Perry/SA/JSS fan, and I'm STILL not ever buying it .....again."
and on, and on, and on

Pigfuckers....



-wech

[Saint John]

Pigfuckers

[Since 78]

The Excuse Counter:

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-Insert your prediction here.

Week 1-"It's all them fucking Filipinos buying 20 copies each."
Week 2-"It's the fucking re-records that are driving sales."
Week 3-"If they didn't have the deal with Wal Mart it wouldn't be selling nearly as much."
Week 4-"It's not genuinely Gold."
Week 5-"Journey's touring to support it --thats CHEATING.
Week 6-"All the other music out there is utter shit, so it's not fair"
Week 7-"It's all of them fucking Americans buying it"
Week 8-"Yeah, well it's only #2 on the Latino charts".
Week 9-"Yeah, well I'm a Perry/SA/JSS fan, and I'm STILL not ever buying it .....again."
and on, and on, and on

Pigfuckers....



-wech

Pigfuckers....

Hey, I think thats a new one!!!

[S2M]

Assclown!

[Calbear94]

What a way to 'back door' into gold status.....

Why are so concerned which "door" Journey enters to get into the Gold room? It's Gold...deal with it.

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

I see it as more of a pricing issue. Double CD sets used to be almost twice as expensive as single CDs. What if instead of including the three discs, Revelation was only the one CD of "new material," but sold at a $6 price point? Would it have been selling the same?

[Since 78]

What a way to 'back door' into gold status.....

Why are so concerned which "door" Journey enters to get into the Gold room? It's Gold...deal with it.

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

I see it as more of a pricing issue. Double CD sets used to be almost twice as expensive as single CDs. What if instead of including the three discs, Revelation was only the one CD of "new material," but sold at a $6 price point? Would it have been selling the same?

At $6.00 I think people would assume that its crap. So, no I don't think so.