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Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:09 am

epresley wrote: For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed.

I'd be happy to oblige.

epresley wrote: I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November.

As is your right.

epresley wrote: Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House.

If you were standing next to me I'd punch you.

epresley wrote: I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile.

Oh, I see...another idiot that expects me to pay for the injustices of the past. Go stand in front of an Amtrak train.

epresley wrote: We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country.

And those people making us the greatest country in the world is a problem how?
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Postby Playitloudforme » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:16 am

strangegrey wrote:btw, even if Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim....his first cousin IS...and has allied for quite some time, with radical muslims.

http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8


Not according to Snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

I've not run across anything from Snopes that rings untrue, so I tend to believe that site, as it is all about debunking rumours.
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Postby epresley » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:17 am

Saint John wrote:
epresley wrote: For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed.

I'd be happy to oblige.

epresley wrote: I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November.

As is your right.

epresley wrote: Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House.

If you were standing next to me I'd punch you.

epresley wrote: I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile.

Oh, I see...another idiot that expects me to pay for the injustices of the past. Go stand in front of an Amtrak train.

epresley wrote: We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country.

And those people making us the greatest country in the world is a problem how?


Saint John, even though you're obviously in disagreement with me, you are one funny SOB! Good stuff.
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:20 am

epresley wrote:
Saint John wrote:
epresley wrote: For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed.

I'd be happy to oblige.

epresley wrote: I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November.

As is your right.

epresley wrote: Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House.

If you were standing next to me I'd punch you.

epresley wrote: I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile.

Oh, I see...another idiot that expects me to pay for the injustices of the past. Go stand in front of an Amtrak train.

epresley wrote: We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country.

And those people making us the greatest country in the world is a problem how?


Saint John, even though you're obviously in disagreement with me, you are one funny SOB! Good stuff.


Thank you...thank you very much. :wink:
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Postby Eric » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:20 am

epresley wrote:For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed. I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November. Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House. I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile. We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country. You know what, San Antonio, Texas, population 1.2 million--great, great place, most of the city government is Hispanic. No big deal. Didn't fuck up the city one bit. Texas will have a Hispanic Governor one day, probably sooner rather than later. Doesn't concern me a bit. But then again, whites will be the minority here in a few short years, so it's nothing new in Texas. A lot of big wigs here are minorities.


Why do you think its time for a minority to be in the white house? I mean, personally..I've been wanting Colin Powell to run for 16 years - but not because he is a minority.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:24 am

strangegrey wrote:It's *not* his choice. By rule of the shariah, he *IS* an apostate muslim.


I know the NYTimes initiallly claimed this, but they ran a subsequent op-ed inwhich five Islamic scholars were interviewed and all said this interpretation is false.

Initial claim: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opini ... ef=opinion
Debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opini ... ref=slogin
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Postby epresley » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:29 am

Eric wrote:
epresley wrote:For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed. I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November. Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House. I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile. We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country. You know what, San Antonio, Texas, population 1.2 million--great, great place, most of the city government is Hispanic. No big deal. Didn't fuck up the city one bit. Texas will have a Hispanic Governor one day, probably sooner rather than later. Doesn't concern me a bit. But then again, whites will be the minority here in a few short years, so it's nothing new in Texas. A lot of big wigs here are minorities.


Why do you think its time for a minority to be in the white house? I mean, personally..I've been wanting Colin Powell to run for 16 years - but not because he is a minority.


Couple of reasons, but first of all, I am NOT voting for Barack because he is black. What I did mean was that I think it would do BOTH the minorities AND the white folks to see someone in a position of power other than a WHITE MALE. I also think it would have been good to have a woman, white or otherwise. Colin Powell? Outstanding individual, I would love for him to run!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:33 am

conversationpc wrote:Some points from the "Anti-TNC"... :lol:

1. Obama is NOT the Antichrist and despite his repeated attempts to explain otherwise, Glenn Beck was NOT serious when he asked Reverend Hagee, "Odds that Obama is the Antichrist?" :D


Then why ask the question at all?
It is my belief that Beck was satisfying a faction of his listening audience that truly believes this crap.

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:Why were there no threads calling Bush an appeaser after recently negotiating a faustian bargain over in N. Korea?


Feel free to start one. When you start calling out your own, maybe we'll talk about this.


I've never felt the need to start a political thread. That's not why I come to melodicrock.com

One would think that those previously in an uproar over Obama’s so-called “appeasement” would similarly object to Bush’s N. Korea’s deal.
That is, unless their self-righteous ire was actually nothing more than trumped up partisan chest-thumping?
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:39 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
strangegrey wrote:It's *not* his choice. By rule of the shariah, he *IS* an apostate muslim.


I know the NYTimes initiallly claimed this, but they ran a subsequent op-ed inwhich five Islamic scholars were interviewed and all said this interpretation is false.

Initial claim: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opini ... ef=opinion
Debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opini ... ref=slogin


It doesn't matter what this supposed scholar says, that is the way some radical Muslims interpret it. I know of people who have been sentenced to death because they converted from Islam to Christianity.

One would think that those previously in an uproar over Obama’s so-called “appeasement” would similarly object to Bush’s N. Korea’s deal.
That is, unless their self-righteous ire was actually nothing more than trumped up partisan chest-thumping?


Appeasement is appeasement no matter who it's done by. Anyone who believes that North Korea will actually stick to this deal is naive at best.
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Re: Obama plans to disarm America!!!

Postby Calbear94 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:09 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Nobody doubts we spend more on military spending than most nations combined - much of it wasteful.
The GAO has said as much repeatedly.
Most of the programs he listed are antiquated or unproven at best.
There is no smoke here.
Why were there no threads calling Bush an appeaser after recently negotiating a faustian bargain over in N. Korea?


I agree that this is about trimming wasteful spending. Also, this plan would have major foreign policy benefits in that Europe and Russia would feel that the U.S. actually cared about their perspectives and perhaps even needed them for more than just PR purposes.

Historical perspective:

As a member of Congress during WWII, Truman formed a commission and traveled the country assessing spending on WWII defense contracts. He found wasteful spending on materials, labor, and unnecessary projects. As a result of his reports, the defense program was made much more efficient. This in large part, was what got him the nod for Vice President from FDR (who hadn't thought much of him previously), and indeed eventually the presidency itself. This savings greatly improved U.S.'s ability to aid Western Europe after the war and keep it strong enough to resist communism.

In short....sometimes less <i>is</i> more.
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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:10 am

epresley wrote:
Eric wrote:
epresley wrote:For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed. I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November. Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House. I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile. We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country. You know what, San Antonio, Texas, population 1.2 million--great, great place, most of the city government is Hispanic. No big deal. Didn't fuck up the city one bit. Texas will have a Hispanic Governor one day, probably sooner rather than later. Doesn't concern me a bit. But then again, whites will be the minority here in a few short years, so it's nothing new in Texas. A lot of big wigs here are minorities.


Why do you think its time for a minority to be in the white house? I mean, personally..I've been wanting Colin Powell to run for 16 years - but not because he is a minority.


Couple of reasons, but first of all, I am NOT voting for Barack because he is black. What I did mean was that I think it would do BOTH the minorities AND the white folks to see someone in a position of power other than a WHITE MALE. I also think it would have been good to have a woman, white or otherwise. Colin Powell? Outstanding individual, I would love for him to run!


I think you elect and install the person that does the best job, regardless of sex or skin color. I get your point though, and sometimes upsetting the apple cart is the best way.
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Postby lights1961 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:20 am

barack is a liberal....pure and simple...whatever else he is a moot. if you want more of the same even HIGHER spending taxing and taxing and taxing and taxing...then vote for barack...if you want the mideast to implode elect barack... if you want gasoline to be 11.00 a gallon vote for barak... if you want more regulatuon and little rights. unless you are
a victom of something vote for barack--- and where is the highest taxes to live and work CHICAGO where he hails from... if you want a guy who his mentor was a GOD DAMN AMERICA preacher... vote barack if you want activist judges and officials vote for barack...

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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:25 am

Rick wrote:I think you elect and install the person that does the best job, regardless of sex or skin color. I get your point though, and sometimes upsetting the apple cart is the best way.


I think more often times than not the best person for the job is not who is up for election. Political campaigns and American Idol might as well be run simultaneously. Popularity contests. The general public votes for who they think is "cool". "Eenie meenie miney mo" has become a popular poll strategy as well.
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Postby maverick218 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:28 am

ScarabGator wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:I thought he was scary when he first came on the scene and was the eventual nominee. Now I just think he's stupid and naive and these constant gaffes display that a lot more than any possible disloyalty or hatred of America. If this guy is elected, it might be good in the long run. It might help the broken GOP begin a complete reconstruction, ala Reagan following Jimmah Carter (whose legacy Obama will most likely mirror if he wins).

The election might be a choice between a terrible candidate, Onumbnuts, and an unimpressive candidate, McCain, but I think it's going to be some great theater. I'm really looking forward to the debates between Obama and McCain.. McCain has some policy shortcomings of his own, and his speeches pale next to Obama's, but he's very good "off the cuff" whereas Obama has proven that the teleprompter is the secret to his oratory success.


I agree-neither candidate is perfect in this election but I cant help but believe McCain is the lesser of the 2 evils...unless you wanna vote for Barr???


The way I look at it a vote for Barr helps Obama and just hurts McCain. Clinton wouldn't have been elected either time if it weren't for Ross Perot.
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:33 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
strangegrey wrote:It's *not* his choice. By rule of the shariah, he *IS* an apostate muslim.


I know the NYTimes initiallly claimed this, but they ran a subsequent op-ed inwhich five Islamic scholars were interviewed and all said this interpretation is false.

Initial claim: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opini ... ef=opinion
Debunked: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opini ... ref=slogin


It doesn't matter what this supposed scholar says, that is the way some radical Muslims interpret it. I know of people who have been sentenced to death because they converted from Islam to Christianity.

One would think that those previously in an uproar over Obama’s so-called “appeasement” would similarly object to Bush’s N. Korea’s deal.
That is, unless their self-righteous ire was actually nothing more than trumped up partisan chest-thumping?


Appeasement is appeasement no matter who it's done by. Anyone who believes that North Korea will actually stick to this deal is naive at best.


This is actually a stroke of genius. Consider this...South Korea would NEVER have given $20 billion (approx. half that of the U.S.'s $39 billion) in aid if they thought North Korea would become more dangerous.

This will go a long way in showing the world, especially Iran, that the U.S. does not just have it out for every dictatorial regime in the world. We really do not want to provoke Iran into doing something foolish.

This deal with NK shows that we actually have learned something from the Korean War, the Bay of Pigs, the Vietnam War, and now the war in Iraq. The eventual success of any regime change undertaken by the U.S. depends on the people of those countries actually wanting Democratic reform. Trying to convert the people to more democratic leanings is either a slow or impossible task depending on the degree of ideological brainwashing that they received under dictatorial rule. Right now, much of the North Korean population is on the verge of starvation, a starvation that has always been blamed on U.S. sanctions. This deal for aid is a WIN for the U.S.:

1.) The U.S. gains a symbolic backing down by NK without any over-reaching military action (which gives us a better chance in Afghanistan and Iraq).
2.) This aid in food, medicine, etc. will help convince the NK people that the U.S. is not the enemy, and that we do not have imperialistic intentions for North Korea.
3.) Lasting change will only come in Korea (or perhaps anywhere else) if it comes from the people living there (which I believe will be our only hope down the road if we do not want North Korea to be taken over by China).
4.) That opportunity may come when their leader dies (see the intriguing changes taking place in Cuba, which had mostly been left alone militarily by the U.S. for some time).

If the U.S. with all of its weapons and agressive foreign policies was incapable of changing the world, maybe a different approach would now be more effective?
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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:34 am

lights1961 wrote:barack is a liberal....pure and simple...whatever else he is a moot. if you want more of the same even HIGHER spending taxing and taxing and taxing and taxing...then vote for barack...if you want the mideast to implode elect barack... if you want gasoline to be 11.00 a gallon vote for barak... if you want more regulatuon and little rights. unless you are
a victom of something vote for barack--- and where is the highest taxes to live and work CHICAGO where he hails from... if you want a guy who his mentor was a GOD DAMN AMERICA preacher... vote barack if you want activist judges and officials vote for barack...

Rick


Your logic doesn't make any sense. When the libs were in office, gas was 1/3 the price it is since the conservatives took over. Explain how it is that the libs drive up gas prices, please.
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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:37 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:I think you elect and install the person that does the best job, regardless of sex or skin color. I get your point though, and sometimes upsetting the apple cart is the best way.


I think more often times than not the best person for the job is not who is up for election. Political campaigns and American Idol might as well be run simultaneously. Popularity contests. The general public votes for who they think is "cool". "Eenie meenie miney mo" has become a popular poll strategy as well.


Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:42 am

Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:I think you elect and install the person that does the best job, regardless of sex or skin color. I get your point though, and sometimes upsetting the apple cart is the best way.


I think more often times than not the best person for the job is not who is up for election. Political campaigns and American Idol might as well be run simultaneously. Popularity contests. The general public votes for who they think is "cool". "Eenie meenie miney mo" has become a popular poll strategy as well.


Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?


We accept the fact that something is broken within the way we look for leaders, and don't vote for Obama because he has evil eyes and horse teeth. :P :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:45 am

Chicago just raised the sales tax to 10.25%. Typical democrats. I live in Chicago but less than 2 miles from the Indiana border (a Republican state with a 7% sales tax). I buy everything there. They have a concealed weapons law as well...much less crime. 8)
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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:47 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:I think you elect and install the person that does the best job, regardless of sex or skin color. I get your point though, and sometimes upsetting the apple cart is the best way.


I think more often times than not the best person for the job is not who is up for election. Political campaigns and American Idol might as well be run simultaneously. Popularity contests. The general public votes for who they think is "cool". "Eenie meenie miney mo" has become a popular poll strategy as well.


Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?


We accept the fact that something is broken within the way we look for leaders, and don't vote for Obama because he has evil eyes and horse teeth. :P :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby epresley » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:48 am

Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:I think you elect and install the person that does the best job, regardless of sex or skin color. I get your point though, and sometimes upsetting the apple cart is the best way.


I think more often times than not the best person for the job is not who is up for election. Political campaigns and American Idol might as well be run simultaneously. Popularity contests. The general public votes for who they think is "cool". "Eenie meenie miney mo" has become a popular poll strategy as well.


Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?


We accept the fact that something is broken within the way we look for leaders, and don't vote for Obama because he has evil eyes and horse teeth. :P :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:


Are we still talking about Obama or Rick's avatar?????? :lol:
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Postby lights1961 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:49 am

Rick wrote:
lights1961 wrote:barack is a liberal....pure and simple...whatever else he is a moot. if you want more of the same even HIGHER spending taxing and taxing and taxing and taxing...then vote for barack...if you want the mideast to implode elect barack... if you want gasoline to be 11.00 a gallon vote for barak... if you want more regulatuon and little rights. unless you are
a victom of something vote for barack--- and where is the highest taxes to live and work CHICAGO where he hails from... if you want a guy who his mentor was a GOD DAMN AMERICA preacher... vote barack if you want activist judges and officials vote for barack...

Rick


Your logic doesn't make any sense. When the libs were in office, gas was 1/3 the price it is since the conservatives took over. Explain how it is that the libs drive up gas prices, please.


here is the basic simple arguemnt to win my case...who stopped the bush energy bill that would have allowed more access to drilling where the oil was here in the USA ..... liberals. if you want the same policy on adding no supply... the gas will keep going up... AMERICAN SUPPLY IS WHAT WE NEED. and liberals stop it every time.
When Reagan was in gas was 70 cents and when clinton was in gas rose from that figure to 1.50 twice what it was... it would also fluctuate from .99 cents to 1.99 down to 1.29 during the 90s if you remember. After 9/11 is when gas went steady to 1.77 up to 2.39 or higher in some areas and then the last 8 months is when it went crazy due to factors beyond anyone controls except analist and traders and speculators.

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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:56 am

Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?


We accept the fact that something is broken within the way we look for leaders, and don't vote for Obama because he has evil eyes and horse teeth. :P :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:


On a more serious note, I flat out don't like Obama because he's vague. He reminds me of a man with something to hide. He preaches change and a better america and all this shitting rainbows and fucking ponies and stickers and butterflies "feel good" bullshit... but what exactly does he plan to do with the country. Other than "change for the better". C'mon. Stevie Wonder can see through that! :P
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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:57 am

lights1961 wrote:
Rick wrote:
lights1961 wrote:barack is a liberal....pure and simple...whatever else he is a moot. if you want more of the same even HIGHER spending taxing and taxing and taxing and taxing...then vote for barack...if you want the mideast to implode elect barack... if you want gasoline to be 11.00 a gallon vote for barak... if you want more regulatuon and little rights. unless you are
a victom of something vote for barack--- and where is the highest taxes to live and work CHICAGO where he hails from... if you want a guy who his mentor was a GOD DAMN AMERICA preacher... vote barack if you want activist judges and officials vote for barack...

Rick


Your logic doesn't make any sense. When the libs were in office, gas was 1/3 the price it is since the conservatives took over. Explain how it is that the libs drive up gas prices, please.


here is the basic simple argument to win my case...who stopped the bush energy bill that would have allowed more access to drilling where the oil was here in the USA ..... liberals. if you want the same policy on adding no supply... the gas will keep going up... AMERICAN SUPPLY IS WHAT WE NEED. and liberals stop it every time.
When Reagan was in gas was 70 cents and when Clinton was in gas rose from that figure to 1.50 twice what it was... it would also fluctuate from .99 cents to 1.99 down to 1.29 during the 90s if you remember. After 9/11 is when gas went steady to 1.77 up to 2.39 or higher in some areas and then the last 8 months is when it went crazy due to factors beyond anyone controls except analist and traders and speculators.

Rick


I say horseshit. We aren't doing any more drilling on US soil with Bush in office than when Clinton was in office. Environmentalists aren't the problem here. They're holding onto our oil so that when the Arabic nations are all tapped out, we'll be the only game in town. Bush could drill if he wanted to. Nobody has been able to stop him from doing anything else he's wanted to so far. He walks around like Julius Caesar, doing pretty much whatever the hell he wants.
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Postby epresley » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:58 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?


We accept the fact that something is broken within the way we look for leaders, and don't vote for Obama because he has evil eyes and horse teeth. :P :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:


On a more serious note, I flat out don't like Obama because he's vague. He reminds me of a man with something to hide. He preaches change and a better america and all this shitting rainbows and fucking ponies and stickers and butterflies "feel good" bullshit... but what exactly does he plan to do with the country. Other than "change for the better". C'mon. Stevie Wonder can see through that! :P


Rhi, cut to the chase, how do you really feel??? :shock:
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:09 am

lights1961 wrote:
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lights1961 wrote:barack is a liberal....pure and simple...whatever else he is a moot. if you want more of the same even HIGHER spending taxing and taxing and taxing and taxing...then vote for barack...if you want the mideast to implode elect barack... if you want gasoline to be 11.00 a gallon vote for barak... if you want more regulatuon and little rights. unless you are
a victom of something vote for barack--- and where is the highest taxes to live and work CHICAGO where he hails from... if you want a guy who his mentor was a GOD DAMN AMERICA preacher... vote barack if you want activist judges and officials vote for barack...

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Your logic doesn't make any sense. When the libs were in office, gas was 1/3 the price it is since the conservatives took over. Explain how it is that the libs drive up gas prices, please.


here is the basic simple arguemnt to win my case...who stopped the bush energy bill that would have allowed more access to drilling where the oil was here in the USA ..... liberals. if you want the same policy on adding no supply... the gas will keep going up... AMERICAN SUPPLY IS WHAT WE NEED. and liberals stop it every time.
When Reagan was in gas was 70 cents and when clinton was in gas rose from that figure to 1.50 twice what it was... it would also fluctuate from .99 cents to 1.99 down to 1.29 during the 90s if you remember. After 9/11 is when gas went steady to 1.77 up to 2.39 or higher in some areas and then the last 8 months is when it went crazy due to factors beyond anyone controls except analist and traders and speculators.

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I do not believe this is correct. Actual current supply is not really the problem right now. If it was, Saudi Arabia and the rest of OPEC would gladly increase the supply (they <i>really</i> do not want us to ween ourselves off of oil). It's a problem of speculation, inadequate domestic refining infrastructure, and corporate greed on the part of Big Oil. Until we fully embrace change in energy policy, the strategic national defense value of not over-tapping our own reserves outweighs the few pennies per gallon to be saved. Serious conservation on the part of American consumers would bring the price down immediately, however (i.e. we complain about the prices at the pump, but still fill up the tank).

Think for a moment what has happened to the price of oil since the War in Iraq began. Iraq had somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the world's oil reserves, a percentage while decent, has been somewhat offset by increased oil production in Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Russia (Siberia). Taxes on domestic gasoline consumption in the U.S. has remained fairly constant over that time, so gas taxes are not the problem, either.

The problem really is two-fold:

1.) A problem of investors' perception: Ongoing instability in the world, partly due to failed U.S. foreign policy. Investors are not confident that stability will return anytime soon. The weak dollar also makes commodities such as gold and oil more attractive to domestic and foreign investors.

2.) The U.S. is only slowly beginning to embrace change in energy policy and consumption. However, the recent increased support for alternative fuels (thank you, Bush) and decline in domestic sales of large cars and trucks has me guardedly optimistic that better times do lay ahead.
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:16 am

epresley wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Rick wrote:
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Rick wrote:Well, in this case, do we vote for the candidate that will give us more of the same, or vote for change, which in hindsight may be worse, but on the other hand, it may be better?


We accept the fact that something is broken within the way we look for leaders, and don't vote for Obama because he has evil eyes and horse teeth. :P :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:


On a more serious note, I flat out don't like Obama because he's vague. He reminds me of a man with something to hide. He preaches change and a better america and all this shitting rainbows and fucking ponies and stickers and butterflies "feel good" bullshit... but what exactly does he plan to do with the country. Other than "change for the better". C'mon. Stevie Wonder can see through that! :P


Rhi, cut to the chase, how do you really feel??? :shock:


Obama is not vague at all. Like him or not, he is a man of his convictions. His plans on education, public/community service, and defense spending in particular are highly-detailed, specific, and to the point. He understands that much of the U.S.'s domestic problems are rooted in a mediocre educational system. He speaks the language of educators and seems to have a grasp on what the problems are in education. Whether his educational reforms would work only the future could tell. I think he also understands how to redo U.S. foreign policy, and I also believe that he understands how to reverse policies in a cautious, yet methodical way.
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Postby ScarabGator » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:45 am

Saint John wrote:
epresley wrote: For what it's worth, I'll put my nuts out there to be smashed.

I'd be happy to oblige.

epresley wrote: I'm an Obama supporter and will vote for him in November.

As is your right.

epresley wrote: Even though I'm white as bread, I think it's time for a minority to be in the White House.

If you were standing next to me I'd punch you.

epresley wrote: I think we white folks need to be out of our comfort zone for awhile.

Oh, I see...another idiot that expects me to pay for the injustices of the past. Go stand in front of an Amtrak train.

epresley wrote: We've held all the power for the entire history of our great country.

And those people making us the greatest country in the world is a problem how?


SJ, I love EP, but you nailed this!!!!
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:08 am

Saint John wrote:Chicago just raised the sales tax to 10.25%. Typical democrats. I live in Chicago but less than 2 miles from the Indiana border (a Republican state with a 7% sales tax). I buy everything there. They have a concealed weapons law as well...much less crime. 8)


Population Density (by state):

Indiana - 169.5/sq mi.

Illinois - 223.4/sq mi.

Just on the basis of this alone, one should expect higher crime rates in Illinois than in Indiana. Also, the higher the population density, the greater the strain there is on public services, meaning higher taxes are necessary. The population density of the city of Chicago is much worse... 12,470/sq mi.! Chicago must be quite desperate if you think about it. No wonder they have a 10.25% sales tax and a restriction on handguns (which is about to be overturned).

I am very glad that you live near the border. Sometimes you really do get the best of both worlds by living in border regions (I live in the Texas border region, so I can relate).
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Postby ScarabGator » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:13 am

VOTE McCAIN!!!! HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!!!!
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