'Revelation': now a gold CD .......

[Monker]

Double albums have counted as 2 buys forever.
Why NOW, dod we have to change the rules just to keep Journey from benefitting from the certification system?

Should we lop almost half of Catpured's sales?
How about Pink Floyd's The Wall?
Nah, just make Journey do it for Revelation.

As Sara said above, the likelikhood that Revelation was going to move ANYway, given to positive advance word, was high.
Where the BAND was smart was in pricing the large package attractively enough, at the expense of their own wallets.

Seems as though somebody ELSE has a modicum of business sense now too.
And people don't LIKE it.

If there was a certain hermit fronting the band, there wouldn't be an issue with the Double CD count on album sales.

I'm certain on that.

I'm certain of that too...because this package would not have been released.

[separate_wayz]

+ better than the original
Only the Young
Wheel in the Sky
Any Way You Want It
Who's Crying Now

= as good as the original
Open Arms
Lights
Be Good to Yourself
Stone in Love

It'll be interesting to see if you feel this way in six months time....

I'm not sure I'll change my mind much in 6 months. I tried to listen with open ears and an open mind. Hey, I like Steve Perry ..... I liked Steve Augeri .... I liked Jeff Scott Soto .... and I like Arnel Pineda -- all for different reasons. Steve Perry totally nailed the recorded, original version of "Faithfully". I've heard Arnel sing it three times ('Revelation' Disc 2, 'Revelation' DVD, and 'The Ellen Show' online), and Steve Perry beats him hands-down each time ..... But Arnel steals the show on several of these songs.

For some of the songs, I like (or dislike) them not for the singing but for the instrumentation or the changes in the arrangement. For example, the extended ending on 'Wheel in the Sky' is great -- fantastic addition on a classic, and it works.

[Rhiannon]

It'll be interesting to see if you feel this way in six months time....

Man, Matthew... you need to go hug a kitten or something... you're really becoming a...

[Saint John]

If people here can't recognize the difference between "The Wall" and Revelation, then the people here are pretty damn stupid.

And you're our leader!

[Monker]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

[Rick]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Technically you're right. It won't be until the audit is paid for and completed.

[Rhiannon]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Ugh, that's weak... dues paid to the RIAA or not it has sold enough copies. Enough to qualify it for Gold status. Rules, fees, whatever are all moot.

The record sold. It sold well. Is still selling. Deal.

[Saint John]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Technically you're right. It won't be until the audit is paid for and completed.

And I'd bet my eyeballs that they're expediting the process as much as humanly possible.

[Rick]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Technically you're right. It won't be until the audit is paid for and completed.

And I'd bet my eyeballs that they're expediting the process as much as humanly possible.

Normally they're all over it. I just don't think they expected it to sell like it did.

[Monker]

But, the rule should be changed because of how these packages are now being put together. That rule was designed for multi albums, such as Captured, to be given a fair shot. Revelation is not a true 'double album'. It's Revelation, Recollection, and a DVD...three seperate things...and they should not be counted as one.

How is that any different? First of all, the DVD counts for nothing so you can drop that out of your hypothesis. But how is a double live album different that 2 CDs of newly recorded music? How is any different than if a band puts out a 2CD Greatest Hits set? In fact, by your logic, any GH CD should not be eligible so Journey's GH is not Diamond...

Simple: Revelation and Recollection are not the same album. Despite how they are named, It is NOT "The Wall" disk 1 and 2, or "Captured" vinyl 1 and 2. It is REALLY three seperate disks, and they should all be counted separately. That is my opinion...but, it's not the rule, so whatever.

A GH package is a GH package....not sure what your argument is there.

Let's say Perry was in the band and they released this same package, but included a newly remastered GH and named it "Revelation 2". It seems to me that under the currently 'rules' it would also count as a two disk set. IMO, it's no different.

And, as you said, this rule came about when a two vinyl set was a bit more thena single album...this certainly is not the case today.

This rule is out dated and makes no real sense in todays world...and it is being taken advantage of by Wal-Mart. The RIAA should recognize that and change it.

[Saint John]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Technically you're right. It won't be until the audit is paid for and completed.

And I'd bet my eyeballs that they're expediting the process as much as humanly possible.

Normally they're all over it. I just don't think they expected it to sell like it did.

I'm sure Wal Mart will gladly pay for the audit so they can advertise "Journey's latest certified Gold album" in their stores.

[Monker]

I'd like to know how TBF has gone 2X when an article from 2007 says it's sold 1.2 million. You really going to try and say that there are 800k copies of TBF floating around? Also, you don't think Sony would do everything in their power to get that 2x cert THE DAY it rolled over 2,000,000?

I believe Journey actually sued Sony for misrepresenting sales to avoid paying royalties...

So, yes, Sony has motivation to not ask for the 2x award.

[Monker]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Ugh, that's weak... dues paid to the RIAA or not it has sold enough copies. Enough to qualify it for Gold status. Rules, fees, whatever are all moot.

The record sold. It sold well. Is still selling. Deal.

LOL...too funny.

Prior posts are all about "they followed the rules, it's gold. Get over it."

When it's pointed out that the rules are the RIAA has to certifiy it....it's "gee, the rules suck!"

My question: What are all you Journey nerds going to do if the RIAA removes this rule for double albums BEFORE Revelation is certified? Won't that just be a laugh riot? It probably won't happen...but, wow, I'd love to read ths posts here if it did!

[Rhiannon]

Ugh, that's weak... dues paid to the RIAA or not it has sold enough copies. Enough to qualify it for Gold status. Rules, fees, whatever are all moot.

The record sold. It sold well. Is still selling. Deal.

LOL...too funny.

Prior posts are all about "they followed the rules, it's gold. Get over it."

When it's pointed out that the rules are the RIAA has to certifiy it....it's "gee, the rules suck!"

My question: What are all you Journey nerds going to do if the RIAA removes this rule for double albums BEFORE Revelation is certified? Won't that just be a laugh riot? It probably won't happen...but, wow, I'd love to read ths posts here if it did!

Hi, how are ya? Good? Yeah... mmkay...

I never said anything about following rules, personally. Those were others. So grab a spoon and eat my ass. Ktnxbye.

[Glenn]

So grab a spoon and eat my ass. Ktnxbye.

Just letting you know that I am totally gonna steal that line and use it elsewhere when/if needed....I thank you.

[Glenn]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Ugh, that's weak... dues paid to the RIAA or not it has sold enough copies. Enough to qualify it for Gold status. Rules, fees, whatever are all moot.

The record sold. It sold well. Is still selling. Deal.

LOL...too funny.

Prior posts are all about "they followed the rules, it's gold. Get over it."

When it's pointed out that the rules are the RIAA has to certifiy it....it's "gee, the rules suck!"

My question: What are all you Journey nerds going to do if the RIAA removes this rule for double albums BEFORE Revelation is certified? Won't that just be a laugh riot? It probably won't happen...but, wow, I'd love to read ths posts here if it did!

It's not gonna happen, but you'll be here regardless.

So welcome...please continue being our leader.

[Rhiannon]

So grab a spoon and eat my ass. Ktnxbye.

Just letting you know that I am totally gonna steal that line and use it elsewhere when/if needed....I thank you.

Feel free.

[Glenn]

So grab a spoon and eat my ass. Ktnxbye.

Just letting you know that I am totally gonna steal that line and use it elsewhere when/if needed....I thank you.

Feel free.

Contact my people if you need some royalties...

Though, I did steal TNC's "Go eat a bag of dicks" and did not pay him a dime.

[Monker]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Ugh, that's weak... dues paid to the RIAA or not it has sold enough copies. Enough to qualify it for Gold status. Rules, fees, whatever are all moot.

The record sold. It sold well. Is still selling. Deal.

LOL...too funny.

Prior posts are all about "they followed the rules, it's gold. Get over it."

When it's pointed out that the rules are the RIAA has to certifiy it....it's "gee, the rules suck!"

My question: What are all you Journey nerds going to do if the RIAA removes this rule for double albums BEFORE Revelation is certified? Won't that just be a laugh riot? It probably won't happen...but, wow, I'd love to read ths posts here if it did!

It's not gonna happen, but you'll be here regardless.

So welcome...please continue being our leader.

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

And, eat your ass with a SPOON? Is that because it will hurt more?

[conversationpc]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

[Monker]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

[AlteredDNA]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

Then protest / argue / explain away the gold album status so much?

[conversationpc]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

Then protest / argue / explain away the gold album status so much?

Yeah...Why do you need to continue arguing about it if you feel no connection or even care about it? Or is it just your incessant need to argue even though you know you're wrong.

[Monker]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

Then protest / argue / explain away the gold album status so much?

LOL...it's not a gold album. It has sold enough to make it gold....and I have not argued it hasn't...but that does not make its "status" a gold album.

They have to do a recount first and look at those hanging chads.

[conversationpc]

LOL...it's not a gold album. It has sold enough to make it gold....and I have not argued it hasn't...but that does not make its "status" a gold album.

They have to do a recount first and look at those hanging chads.

A technicality...I don't know anyone here that would not consider 500,000 units sold to be a gold album if it were any other band. Give me a break.

[separate_wayz]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

Then protest / argue / explain away the gold album status so much?

Yeah...Why do you need to continue arguing about it if you feel no connection or even care about it? Or is it just your incessant need to argue even though you know you're wrong.

Queen Gertrude: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

~ Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 2

[Red13JoePa]

Double albums have counted as 2 buys forever.
Why NOW, dod we have to change the rules just to keep Journey from benefitting from the certification system?

Should we lop almost half of Catpured's sales?
How about Pink Floyd's The Wall?
Nah, just make Journey do it for Revelation.

As Sara said above, the likelikhood that Revelation was going to move ANYway, given to positive advance word, was high.
Where the BAND was smart was in pricing the large package attractively enough, at the expense of their own wallets.

Seems as though somebody ELSE has a modicum of business sense now too.
And people don't LIKE it.

If there was a certain hermit fronting the band, there wouldn't be an issue with the Double CD count on album sales.

I'm certain on that.

I'm certain of that too...because this package would not have been released.

Right again, guy.
You're making a comeback, too.

[slucero]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

.. maybe you should go farther outside......

Why play here... when you obviously have such hate for the band?

[Glenn]

Fact is, it's not an 'official' gold album. Get over it. This thread is full of premature factulation...something that seems to happen here often!

You're just pissed because you were completely and utterly wrong about how well it would sell.

Why would I be mad about something that has so little to do with me? I feel absolutely no connection to the band's success/failure. Others here do...and it's interesting to be on the outside looking at this.

Because you are in here bitching and moaning like a ho with no mo blow.


but keep posting...watching pretty much everyone light you up is top notch entertainment.

It's "Forum Gold" as I like to say.

Monker Rules!

Looking forward to the tour....when you come in and claim Heart and Cheap Trick are selling all the tix.

[jrnyman28]

TBF did ship Platinum. Certification happens when the record label pays the RIAA for the audit of sales. The same reason Revelation is not "officially" Gold...the record label (or band) has not paid to audit sales. The telling point on TBF is that it did go double platinum...

Excactly...I was wondering when somebody was going to point that out.

The truth is that Revelation is not Gold yet

Technically you're right. It won't be until the audit is paid for and completed.

And I'd bet my eyeballs that they're expediting the process as much as humanly possible.

I doubt it. I don't think they care about an award. Joureny knows what they sold and that is all that really matters...