The Rolie Perry Era

[mikemarrs]

i agree.think they need to release a rollie era departure show and call it 'captured live DVD' or something like that.

[Matthew]

None of the band wanted SP. "They wanted to be successful without a new lead singer."

"I never really felt like part of the band." Kinda makes sense when you look at it from that perspective.

Still reeks of self-pity and malcontent.
If he felt like that, he chose to. I think.

True Rhiannon...but Perry doesn't have a monolopy on those character flaws. Almost every interview I've read with Schon and Cain - culminating in this year's "So fuck him" comment - reeks of self-pity and resentment too.

Also - Perry hasn't been giving off that vibe for a number of years now - and his last interview made it very clear how much his partnership with Schon meant to him. So I'm not sure why people keep choosing that clip from the BTM as Perry's defining moment in terms of his personality...

[Matthew]

Good for Rolie to throw his middle finger in Perry's face and walk away when he did.

Yes... "fuck you...I'm going to head off into relative obscurity and you can go and sell nine million copies of your next album." Hope I never make that kind of protest in my lifetime.

[StoneCold]

Good for Rolie to throw his middle finger in Perry's face and walk away when he did.

Yes... "fuck you...I'm going to head off into relative obscurity and you can go and sell nine million copies of your next album." Hope I never make that kind of protest in my lifetime.

Wasn't ever about money for Rolie or Smitty. They both walked away at different times and continued in music with their self-respect intact.

[bluejeangirl76]

Sony really needs to release the Osaka Departure Show on DVD.

No. Zzzzzzz.
They absolutley should haul out some Departure stuff but not that.
My reason? Purely selfish!! I've seen it 100 times and can see it whenever I want.
Want something I haven't seen before.

Hey listen up Steve Perry... you took 2007 off from digging up classic stuff... back to work please. I'm waiting.

[Matthew]

Good for Rolie to throw his middle finger in Perry's face and walk away when he did.

Yes... "fuck you...I'm going to head off into relative obscurity and you can go and sell nine million copies of your next album." Hope I never make that kind of protest in my lifetime.

Wasn't ever about money for Rolie or Smitty. They both walked away at different times and continued in music with their self-respect intact.

Isn't it interesting why some band members have achieved sainthood on these forums - while others get put through the mill for behaving in much the same way.

Rolie walks away in 1980 and is applauded for his "integrity" and "self-respect".

Perry walks away in 1987 and he's "robbed the fans".

This perception is as warped as the one which portrays Rolie as a "rocker" and Cain as "pop" - even though it is Cain who is the one with co-writing credits on all the band's heaviest songs - and Rolie who had a hand in some of Journey's most bubblegum moments.

[Glenn]

Good for Rolie to throw his middle finger in Perry's face and walk away when he did.

Yes... "fuck you...I'm going to head off into relative obscurity and you can go and sell nine million copies of your next album." Hope I never make that kind of protest in my lifetime.

Wasn't ever about money for Rolie or Smitty. They both walked away at different times and continued in music with their self-respect intact.

Thank you....It's too early for me to think of my response to Mr. Raised On Radio Matthew.

I guess Rolie could have :

1. stayed and kissed Perry's ass.

2. give almost complete control to Perry.

3. Agree to fire Smitty and Ross for the CLASSIC ROR album

4. Sit back and watch Perry say on VH1 "I never felt like I was really a member of the band" (not an exact quote, but you understand)



Matthew...It's just my and apparently Stone Colds opinion, so don't put your Perry defense system on full alert.

Next time I'm out your way, we'll have tea and discuss this and other Perry related things.

cheers.

[Glenn]

Good for Rolie to throw his middle finger in Perry's face and walk away when he did.

Yes... "fuck you...I'm going to head off into relative obscurity and you can go and sell nine million copies of your next album." Hope I never make that kind of protest in my lifetime.

Wasn't ever about money for Rolie or Smitty. They both walked away at different times and continued in music with their self-respect intact.

Isn't it interesting why some band members have achieved sainthood on these forums - while others get put through the mill for behaving in much the same way.

Rolie walks away in 1980 and is applauded for his "integrity" and "self-respect".

Perry walks away in 1987 and he's "robbed the fans".

This perception is as warped as the one which portrays Rolie as a "rocker" and Cain as "pop" - even though it is Cain who is the one with co-writing credits on all the band's heaviest songs - and Rolie who had a hand in some of Journey's most bubblegum moments.

well....I'm not gonna say Perry robbed anyone...If he got burnt out, he got burnt out. Neal and Jon got 2 platnum cd's with Bad English and Michael Bolton.

the shit in '96 kinda sorta left a bad taste in peoples mouths...


Perry has reached Sainthood here....Some Perry fans here thinks he walks on water. Rolie does not get near enough props in here that he should in my opinion.


Yes Cain co wrote some heavy tunes...cool....very cool....But his bubble gum stuff was worse any bubble gum that Rolie was chewing.

[maverick218]

The back & forth between them is some of my favorite Journey. Musically probably their best moments.

Someday Soon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paUQQRFsMp4&

Always has been and always will be my favorite era of Journey.

[Deb]

Good for Rolie to throw his middle finger in Perry's face and walk away when he did.

Yes... "fuck you...I'm going to head off into relative obscurity and you can go and sell nine million copies of your next album." Hope I never make that kind of protest in my lifetime.

Wasn't ever about money for Rolie or Smitty. They both walked away at different times and continued in music with their self-respect intact.

Oh but don't you know, you're a nobody....unless you're selling millions of albums and are a household name. Just ask Saint John.

[Deb]

Rolie walks away in 1980 and is applauded for his "integrity" and "self-respect".

Perry walks away in 1987 and he's "robbed the fans".

Good point!

[Deb]

And here it is. I hope this helps.

http://home.tx.rr.com/rick/Youtube/Youtuber.html

Nice work there.

Deserves a thread of its own with a tag "If this helps you, please consider donating what you can to the Melodic Rock site. Please click this button."

Soon you'll be the resident MR techie!

That's too much work. I just like to play.

Rick, looked over the instructions......perfect, step by step (youtube for dummies ).....LOL like how you put in the drink/potty break. I do have the program I need, so going to try it later this week. I'll post that Just The Same Way clip here if it works. If it does.....I've got some rare old stuff......look out, I'll be a youtubing fool.....Deb with a new toy.

[Matthew]

It's too early for me to think of my response to Mr. Raised On Radio Matthew.

I guess Rolie could have :

1. stayed and kissed Perry's ass.

2. give almost complete control to Perry.

3. Agree to fire Smitty and Ross for the CLASSIC ROR album

4. Sit back and watch Perry say on VH1 "I never felt like I was really a member of the band" (not an exact quote, but you understand)


Matthew...It's just my and apparently Stone Colds opinion, so don't put your Perry defense system on full alert.

Or Rolie could have:

1) Accepted that the band was going nowhere with him on lead vocals..and been grateful for the success that Perry's arrival helped to bring to the band.

2) Recognised that he was the keyboard player and not the main attraction.

3) Refused to sit back and watch as Aynsley Dunbar got fired from the CLASSIC EVOLUTION album.

4) And not walked out on being a member of the band after only two years into a singing partnership which you're all still talking about twenty eight years later.

Next time I'm out your way, we'll have tea and discuss this and other Perry related things.

cheers.

I look forward to it, JSS Rocks...

[Saint John]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

[Deb]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

What's your point, you can be a complete prick too, but we still like ya.

[Saint John]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

What's your point, you can be a complete prick too, but we still like ya.

But I know I'm a prick...someone needs to fill Perry in on the secret.

[Michigan Girl]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

What's your point, you can be a complete prick too, but we still like ya.

But I know I'm a prick...someone needs to fill Perry in on the secret.

Maybe Lora or Cyndy have told him you're a prick and he IS in on the secret!!

[Tito]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

What's your point, you can be a complete prick too, but we still like ya.

But I know I'm a prick...someone needs to fill Perry in on the secret.

Maybe Lora or Cyndy have told him you're a prick and he IS in on the secret!!

This series made me laugh.

[Saint John]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

What's your point, you can be a complete prick too, but we still like ya.

But I know I'm a prick...someone needs to fill Perry in on the secret.

Maybe Lora or Cyndy have told him you're a prick and he IS in on the secret!!

Oh, he knows I'm a prick...believe me, he knows.

[Deb]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

What's your point, you can be a complete prick too, but we still like ya.

But I know I'm a prick...someone needs to fill Perry in on the secret.

Maybe Lora or Cyndy have told him you're a prick and he IS in on the secret!!

[Matthew]

In my mind, Rolie quitting is a real testament to what a complete prick Perry really was. I'm sure Rolie would say it, Cain would say it, Schon would say it, Smith would say it and Valory would say it. I've heard that not everyone on the FTLOSM tour was exactly enamored by his wonderful personality, either. And I forgot Herbert and Azoff. Two more people that think highly of him as well.

Cain BEGGED Perry to continue in 1987...Schon called Perry "the voice of Journey" as late as 1996...Smith has owned his part in the ROR fall-out...Valory was able to recover from bankruptcy from touring the songs Perry co-wrote and sang....Herbert knows the best decision he ever made in his entire career was to hire Perry...and Azoff wouldn't even have the job had Perry not hired him...

So they might well have thought Perry was a difficult guy to work with..but boy did they all suck it right up as the cash flowed in....

And as for Rolie...by all accounts he would have walked out on the band no matter what Perry was like. He was over the intensive touring and was never likely to be content unless he was doing his own thing. So his departure is a "testament" to absolutely fuck all.

[Tito]

Cain BEGGED Perry to continue in 1987...Schon called Perry "the voice of Journey" as late as 1996...Smith has owned his part in the ROR fall-out...Valory was able to recover from bankruptcy from touring the songs Perry co-wrote and sang....Herbert knows the best decision he ever made in his entire career was to hire Perry...and Azoff wouldn't even have the job had Perry not hired him...

So they might well have thought Perry was a difficult guy to work with..but boy did they all suck it right up as the cash flowed in....

And as for Rolie...by all accounts he would have walked out on the band no matter what Perry was like. He was over the intensive touring and was never likely to be content unless he was doing his own thing. So his departure is a "testament" to absolutely fuck all.

I thought Herbie claimed Perry basically put Valory in bankruptcy in one of his interviews. Smith had nothing to do with himself being fired.

[Matthew]

I thought Herbie claimed Perry basically put Valory in bankruptcy in one of his interviews.

Wow...you're really taking the whole victimhood angle to a new level here. Where did Herbert say that?

Smith had nothing to do with himself being fired.

Well, Smith himself has recognised his part in the breakdown of relations during ROR - and he talks completely without bitterness about it. But fans like you persist in patronizing the guy...

[Saint John]

Cain BEGGED Perry to continue in 1987

For the sake of the band and the fans I'm sure he did.

Schon called Perry "the voice of Journey" as late as 1996

Considering he was the lead singer I don't find this to be anything more than a factually accurate observation a 2 year old could have made.

Smith has owned his part in the ROR fall-out

Not sure how he could have considering he didn't do anything wrong. Journey can wait for Perry for years or a decade, but Perry couldn't wait for Smith to learn how to play to a click track??? Real nice bandmate.

Valory was able to recover from bankruptcy from touring the songs Perry co-wrote and sang

Ross did nothing but play the bass lines that he contributed. Not his fault Perry wouldn't tour.

Herbert knows the best decision he ever made in his entire career was to hire Perry

Yup...Herbert resurrected a guy lacking so much self-confidence that he gave up on music and joined The Turkey Shit Removers Union...Local 0. He worked his ass off for the band, put the pieces in place to make them wildly rich and famous and was in turn fired for said hard work.

and Azoff wouldn't even have the job had Perry not hired him...

Which is exactly what Nostrildamus wanted. Herbie, the guy with enough fire and passion to move ahead and find a suitable replacement that would succeed, out of the picture.

So they might well have thought Perry was a difficult guy to work with..but boy did they all suck it right up as the cash flowed in....

And watched helplessly as he liquidated everything in an attempt to make sure Neal Schon and the baby he (Neal) created could never be relevant again...a decision he had no business making. Like Herbie said, the old "If I can't/don't want to continue, nobody can" philosophy. Nothing's changed to this day...he simply can't stand to see Journey move on without him. He's the one living in the past.

[Matthew]

For the sake of the band and the fans I'm sure he did.

It doesn't matter whose sake it was for. The fact is Perry's difficult personality didn't stop Cain desperately wanting to continue working with him.

Considering he was the lead singer I don't find this to be anything more than a factually accurate observation a 2 year old could have made.

It was said with pride and respect...and you know it.

Not sure how he could have considering he didn't do anything wrong. Journey can wait for Perry for years or a decade, but Perry couldn't wait for Smith to learn how to play to a click track??? Real nice bandmate.

And here we go again with all this Kum By Ya crap about "good bandmates". Smith by his own admssion resisted what the group was asking of him and - like Perry said of himself too - he said he would do things differently if he could go back in time to that situation. Perry and Smith have moved beyond this twenty year old spat. Maybe it's time you did too, Saint John?

Ross did nothing but play the bass lines that he contributed.

And which earned him almost zero royalties in publishing income. He made his money from touring the songs Perry co-wrote with others.

Yup...Herbert resurrected a guy lacking so much self-confidence that he gave up on music and joined The Turkey Shit Removers Union...Local 0. He worked his ass off for the band, put the pieces in place to make them wildly rich and famous and was in turn fired for said hard work.

And he in turn made millions from the musical talent of others. Herbert doesn't need your pity, Saint John.

Which is exactly what Nostrildamus wanted. Herbie, the guy with enough fire and passion to move ahead and find a suitable replacement that would succeed, out of the picture.

That's such an absurd comment on so many levels I don't even think it warrants a reply.

And watched helplessly as he liquidated everything in an attempt to make sure Neal Schon and the baby he (Neal) created could never be relevant again...a decision he had no business making.
When did he do that? What on earth are Like Herbie said, the old "If I can't/don't want to continue, nobody can" philosophy. Nothing's changed to this day...he simply can't stand to see Journey move on without him. He's the one living in the past.

That new album of Survivor knock-offs wouldn't even be in the stores had Perry's co-written songs not been included in the package. Believe me...everyone connected with Journey is living in the past. A decade on the band STILL haven't shown they can survive without Perry's contributions to the band. So let's have some gratitude and love for the man who still makes it all happen.

[Saint John]

So let's have some gratitude and love for the man who still makes it all happen.

Agreed!!! Thank you, Neal Schon. I didn't respond to the rest of your post because it was too laughable and non-sensical.

[Don]

Sony really needs to release the Osaka Departure Show on DVD.

No. Zzzzzzz.
They absolutley should haul out some Departure stuff but not that.
My reason? Purely selfish!! I've seen it 100 times and can see it whenever I want.
Want something I haven't seen before.

Hey listen up Steve Perry... you took 2007 off from digging up classic stuff... back to work please. I'm waiting.

The problem is, besides Largo do they have anthing else on usable film from that time. The Detroit show is where most of the Captured audio comes from, hopefully they have some video of it. I would still like to see the end of the Departure show in Japan from a different angle. I don't know if the camera man had an epeleptic seizure or what from AWYWI till the middle of the encore.

[Matthew]

So let's have some gratitude and love for the man who still makes it all happen.

Agreed!!! Thank you, Neal Schon. I didn't respond to the rest of your post because it was too laughable and non-sensical.

I wonder what it was that made you move over to the dark side, Saint John. There you were..writing one sensible post after another like a person of sound mind and good musical taste..and then...bam! ...almost overnight you turned into this cringing and moronic apologist for the post-Perry era...so much so that you even put the old school Augeri fanatics to shame.

I don't believe for a second that after two decades of Perry fandom you've suddenly gone cold on the music. And nor do I buy your claim that you've suddenly 'seen the light' that Perry was a difficult and complicated guy who could be both extaordinarily creative...and destructive too. All of this was common knowledge.

So what was it? Are you one of those guys whose entire belief system implodes at the sight of a backstage pass and an autographed t-shirt? Was there some clique of posters here you wanted to impress? Or have you just become all twisted up inside as you've got older that you'll never be a supremely talented multi-millionaire who can take it easy for the rest of his life?

Come on Saint John..try and be honest for a change about this 'conversion experience' of yours.

[Deb]

Sony really needs to release the Osaka Departure Show on DVD.

No. Zzzzzzz.
They absolutley should haul out some Departure stuff but not that.
My reason? Purely selfish!! I've seen it 100 times and can see it whenever I want.
Want something I haven't seen before.

Hey listen up Steve Perry... you took 2007 off from digging up classic stuff... back to work please. I'm waiting.

The problem is, besides Largo do they have anthing else on usable film from that time. The Detroit show is where most of the Captured audio comes from, hopefully they have some video of it. I would still like to see the end of the Departure show in Japan from a different angle. I don't know if the camera man had an epeleptic seizure or what from AWYWI till the middle of the encore.

I like the Largo concert better (SP seems more playful with the audience) than the Japan one. There is also quite a bit of Departure footage from the Bluejean network clips. Great version of AWYWI too. LOL if you can get past SP's red satin spandex pants and white satin shell print blouse. The Infinity/Evolution outfits had nothing on that one.

LOL I know what you mean on the Japan one, couple times the camera guy seem to zoom in too close, pretty much right up SP's nostril.

[Saint John]

So let's have some gratitude and love for the man who still makes it all happen.

Agreed!!! Thank you, Neal Schon. I didn't respond to the rest of your post because it was too laughable and non-sensical.

I wonder what it was that made you move over to the dark side, Saint John. There you were..writing one sensible post after another like a person of sound mind and good musical taste..and then...bam! ...almost overnight you turned into this cringing and moronic apologist for the post-Perry era...so much so that you even put even the old school Augeri fanatics to shame.

I don't believe for a second that after two decades of Perry fandom you've suddenly gone cold on the music. And nor do I buy your claim that you've suddenly 'seen the light' that Perry was a difficult and complicated guy who could be both extaordinarily creative...and destructive too. All of this was common knowledge.

So what was it? Are you one of those guys whose entire belief system implodes at the sight of a backstage pass and an autographed t-shirt? Was there some clique of posters here you wanted to impress? Or have you just become all twisted up inside as you've got older that you'll never be a supremely talented multi-millionaire who can take it easy for the rest of his life?

Come on Saint John..try and be honest for a change about this 'conversion experience' of yours.

-I still love the music from Perry's time in the band and have never waivered from that stance once.

-lol...Believe it or not, but I don't think I have EVER in my life bought a concert t-shirt. I own none...not one. And backstage passes impress me so much that I gave away the last one I had. No interest in meeting the guys unless it's a chance encounter and they seem legitimately intersted in what the fuck I have to say. I hate when people bother me and suspect that they do also.

-As for being "honest" I've always tried to be nothing but that...whether that ruffles the feathers of friends or not...and often times it has. Probably cost me a few as well. Do you honestly think I want to hang out with Schon and Cain??? Give me a fucking break, dude. Arnel is about the only one I'd like to meet, perhaps shake his hand and congratulate him. That's it. You can stop the Sigmund Freud act, too.