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Postby RobbieG » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:28 am

StoneCold wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


Was he even in the running or did he not want it anymore?



Actually no one knows if he was. There was nothing official posted and who auditioned other than Jeremey and Arnel
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:32 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Better still, while a strong tenor, Kevin doesn't have any of that Perryshrill oil squeak quality,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0


And none of the soul either....

If I never hear one more watered down, generic cover version of that - or any other Journey song - I'll die happy...
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Postby StoneCold » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:34 am

RobbieG wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


Was he even in the running or did he not want it anymore?


Actually no one knows if he was. There was nothing official posted and who auditioned other than Jeremey and Arnel


My guess is KC got off that train when he didn't get the call to sub for Augeri. Maybe Fly2Freedom wasn't so much an audition as a farewell song to Journey.
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:36 am

MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


As long as Journey keep hiring clones then the fan base will always be squabbling about it....
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Postby RobbieG » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:36 am

StoneCold wrote:
RobbieG wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


Was he even in the running or did he not want it anymore?


Actually no one knows if he was. There was nothing official posted and who auditioned other than Jeremey and Arnel


My guess is KC got off that train when he didn't get the call to sub for Augeri. Maybe Fly2Freedom wasn't so much an audition as a farewell song to Journey.


You might be correct in that statement. Augeri would still be here if his vocie would have held up.
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Postby MCC620 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:41 am

Matthew wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


As long as Journey keep hiring clones then the fan base will always be squabbling about it....



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Postby Don » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:43 am

StoneCold wrote:
RobbieG wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


Was he even in the running or did he not want it anymore?


Actually no one knows if he was. There was nothing official posted and who auditioned other than Jeremey and Arnel


My guess is KC got off that train when he didn't get the call to sub for Augeri. Maybe Fly2Freedom wasn't so much an audition as a farewell song to Journey.

I thought he told them he needed a month to prepare for the audition and they didn't want to wait. I could of sworn I read that somewhere around here
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:43 am

MCC620 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


As long as Journey keep hiring clones then the fan base will always be squabbling about it....



aww matthew i've missed ya! :wink:



:lol: And you Maria....
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Postby MCC620 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:09 am

Matthew wrote:
MCC620 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
MCC620 wrote:kevin would have been a great pick after jeff last year and i really think he would have united this fan base almost back to normal.


As long as Journey keep hiring clones then the fan base will always be squabbling about it....



aww matthew i've missed ya! :wink:



:lol: And you Maria....


you could always join the saloon and banter with us there. :)
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Postby Since 78 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:21 pm

Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Better still, while a strong tenor, Kevin doesn't have any of that Perryshrill oil squeak quality,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0


And none of the soul either....

If I never hear one more watered down, generic cover version of that - or any other Journey song - I'll die happy...


I have to agree with Matthew! That was hard to listen to. Jeremey or Arnel would embarrass this guy head to head.
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Postby StoneCold » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:28 pm

Since 78 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Better still, while a strong tenor, Kevin doesn't have any of that Perryshrill oil squeak quality,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0


And none of the soul either....

If I never hear one more watered down, generic cover version of that - or any other Journey song - I'll die happy...


I have to agree with Matthew! That was hard to listen to. Jeremey or Arnel would embarrass this guy head to head.


Maybe on a PSP. :)

Listen to the Two Fires tracks or check this out. It's him and Rolie from The Storm. Turn it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mOr3P1lvtE
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Postby Since 78 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:54 pm

StoneCold wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Better still, while a strong tenor, Kevin doesn't have any of that Perryshrill oil squeak quality,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0


And none of the soul either....

If I never hear one more watered down, generic cover version of that - or any other Journey song - I'll die happy...


I have to agree with Matthew! That was hard to listen to. Jeremey or Arnel would embarrass this guy head to head.


Maybe on a PSP. :)

Listen to the Two Fires tracks or check this out. It's him and Rolie from The Storm. Turn it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mOr3P1lvtE


Now I like the song from the Storm, but on much of the other material it seems that he tries to hard to sound like Perry and you can tell. Not sure how to explain it. I know Arnel and Jeremey sound like Perry but it seems natural when they sing. Just my 2
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:04 pm

Since 78 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Better still, while a strong tenor, Kevin doesn't have any of that Perryshrill oil squeak quality,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0


And none of the soul either....

If I never hear one more watered down, generic cover version of that - or any other Journey song - I'll die happy...


I have to agree with Matthew! That was hard to listen to. Jeremey or Arnel would embarrass this guy head to head.


Not so.
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Postby MarcelJordan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:31 pm

Ive got to go with Jeremy. He's supposed to be the real deal and if anyone should know it would be him, being a singer himself and very awesome one at that to know whether Kevin can make it.

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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:46 pm

MarcelJordan wrote:Ive got to go with Jeremy. He's supposed to be the real deal and if anyone should know it would be him, being a singer himself and very awesome one at that to know whether Kevin can make it.

8)


:roll:

And that's Jeremey by the way.
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Postby MarcelJordan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:53 pm

finalfight wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Ive got to go with Jeremy. He's supposed to be the real deal and if anyone should know it would be him, being a singer himself and very awesome one at that to know whether Kevin can make it.

8)


:roll:

And that's Jeremey by the way.


So sorry, English is my second language. :twisted:
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:15 pm

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finalfight wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Ive got to go with Jeremy. He's supposed to be the real deal and if anyone should know it would be him, being a singer himself and very awesome one at that to know whether Kevin can make it.

8)


:roll:

And that's Jeremey by the way.


So sorry, English is my second language. :twisted:


Whilst Jeremey has an unusual spelling which often seems to get overlooked around here typing out a name correctly has little to do with what language you speak. You can spell Steve Perry and Arnel Pineda can't you?

Allow me to put your previous comment into perspective - You are suggesting that Jeremey, a great singer yes but at this point a tribute band singer (with one notable writing credit) would be able to suggest whether Kevin Chalfant, a seasoned and successful writer and performer for many, many years can make it? That ship has sailed my friend along it seems with your common sense.

This is not at all a slight on Jeremey whom I respect a great deal and whose best work and success is no doubt yet to come.
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Postby MarcelJordan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:29 pm

finalfight wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:
finalfight wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Ive got to go with Jeremy. He's supposed to be the real deal and if anyone should know it would be him, being a singer himself and very awesome one at that to know whether Kevin can make it.

8)


:roll:

And that's Jeremey by the way.


So sorry, English is my second language. :twisted:


Whilst Jeremey has an unusual spelling which often seems to get overlooked around here typing out a name correctly has little to do with what language you speak. You can spell Steve Perry and Arnel Pineda can't you?

Allow me to put your previous comment into perspective - You are suggesting that Jeremey, a great singer yes but at this point a tribute band singer (with one notable writing credit) would be able to suggest whether Kevin Chalfant, a seasoned and successful writer and performer for many, many years can make it? That ship has sailed my friend along it seems with your common sense.

This is not at all a slight on Jeremey whom I respect a great deal and whose best work and success is no doubt yet to come.


Jeremey has actually played with the band even just one year back. He KNOWS what it takes in this day and age. Im not saying Kevin couldn't manage but, its a tall order.
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Postby texafana » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:55 pm

hmm... I'm taking what I said back earlier....here's some proof that indeed Kevin could have been the man...

Dont Stop Belevin - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0

Who's Cryin Now - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pwnD23Grl7U&feature=related

Lights - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qUtJn0pM-qk&feature=related

Just The Same Way - With Greg Rolie! Date???
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pwnD23Grl7U&feature=related
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:10 pm

texafana wrote:hmm... I'm taking what I said back earlier....here's some proof that indeed Kevin could have been the man...

Dont Stop Belevin - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Me4v8c4P2q0

Who's Cryin Now - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pwnD23Grl7U&feature=related

Lights - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qUtJn0pM-qk&feature=related

Just The Same Way - With Greg Rolie! Date???
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pwnD23Grl7U&feature=related


Corrected link for -

Who's Cryin Now - Melodic Rock Festival 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vts7sAjWiAw&feature=related
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Postby MrsPerry » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:01 am

Chalfant would have been the better choice imo.
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Postby Greg » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:09 am

Should've chosen Chalfant back when Perry left in '98. Loved Augeri, but Chalfant would've brought more in terms of song writing, which is what I feel Journey still needs...a good third song writer like they had with Perry.
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Postby StoneCold » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:18 am

We need a Journey history 101 link or required reading FAQ.

Chalfant performed as singer for Journey in the early 90's when Perry wasn't available. There was a plan to reform Journey, Chalfant as lead and Rolie returning to the group.

Many believe this motivated Perry to come back for TBF. A spoiler if you will.

So to say Chalfant couldn't cut it is ridiculous. He's been recording professionally since the '70s.

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Postby Don Wishon » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:56 am

I am a Chalfant fan (met him on a couple of occasions as well) and own most of his releases either within a band or solo. I think with Journey it all comes down to business and with Arnel it may be easier to tour.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:44 am

Greg wrote:Should've chosen Chalfant back when Perry left in '98. Loved Augeri, but Chalfant would've brought more in terms of song writing, which is what I feel Journey still needs...a good third song writer like they had with Perry.


Exactly.
Which is why Jeff, for whatever he lacked in eunuch choir boy-type range, would've been such a strong asset.
This band needs more than just a loaned out set of pipes.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:48 am

MCC620 wrote:i think somewhere on this forum it was stated that he was contacted before the virginia show last year. it has been alluded to that, they did indeed dangle it again, but took it back. who knows.


Deano stands by this info.
Kevin denies it in his most recent interview with Drew.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:53 am

Matthew wrote:And none of the soul either....


Kevin, Arnel, Augeri and Jeff all have some motown influence thrown in. Not sure what you're hearing.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:01 am

Since 78 wrote:Now I like the song from the Storm, but on much of the other material it seems that he tries to hard to sound like Perry and you can tell.


I can't.
Out of all the singers looked at by the band, Kevin is the one that sounds most comfortable in his own skin.
Everyone else, to varying degrees of success, is putting on airs to try to sound like someone they aren't.

Since 78 wrote:Not sure how to explain it. I know Arnel and Jeremey sound like Perry but it seems natural when they sing. Just my 2


Both Arnel and Jeremey use Perry's inflections. Arnel especially.
If this band weren't already so deep in the shit, I'd argue Disc 2 of Revelation is when they finally jumped the shark.
Arnel is lifelessly parroting Perry's delivery and inflections to a tee.

I don't even know why anyone is arguing whether Chalfant is the chosen one.
You all think you know better than Herbie Herbert? Really? - the man who created and micro-managed the band down to every last detail?
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Postby Matthew » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:38 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Matthew wrote:And none of the soul either....


Kevin, Arnel, Augeri and Jeff all have some motown influence thrown in. Not sure what you're hearing.


I can tell you what I was feeling during that clip: absolutely nothing.
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Postby Matthew » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:50 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:If this band weren't already so deep in the shit, I'd argue Disc 2 of Revelation is when they finally jumped the shark.
Arnel is lifelessly parroting Perry's delivery and inflections to a tee.


And Chalfant's album of Journey songs didn't jump the shark? That record was every bit as unimaginative in its treatment of the classics as Disc 2 is. Chalfant barely put any effort at all into reinventing those songs...and although you might detect the occasional nuance which convinces you he made those songs his own to most people it just sounds like a straightforwardly pale imitation.
I don't even know why anyone is arguing whether Chalfant is the chosen one.
You all think you know better than Herbie Herbert? Really? - the man who created and micro-managed the band down to every last detail?



Yes - in this case I do. Herbert became a mad old fool who made all kinds of wild claims (like blaming Ross Valory's bankruptcy on Perry and so on) and by the early to mid-1990s he had lost his touch in terms of being an industry player.

I think its depressing that he of all people should have advocated the clone strategy....
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