OT: Favre Asks Packers to Release Him

[Red13JoePa]

He's behind Montana (of COURSE), Elway and Marino for me.
Still an all-time great but he can be eclipsed by Brady and Manning fairly soon if those guys keep it up for a few more years.

The arm is also WAY over-rated now. He's lost a TON off his heater since the beginning of this decade, I mean a TON.
I'm shocked at how little he has on the ball now compared the mid-late '90s. Look no further than his penchant for under pressure just trying to close his eyes and heave the ball either out of bounds, out of the endzone or up for grabs.

DBs have been fair catching those ridiculously amatuerish throws for INTS for 5 years now.

[Angiekay]

Brett Favre will be the starting QB for the Packers this year. What's so fucking hard to figure out about that? And if ESPN continues to conststantly talk about this egotistical, multi-personalitied, self-centered jagoff any more, I think I might boycott them for awhile. I hope he comes back and has his arm broken in 14 places. Preferably by Brian Urlacher.

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....


Here's a little tidbit I found this morning:

FANS PRESSURE GREEN BAY TO REINSTATE FAVRE: About 100 of Brett Favre's fans rallied outside Lambeau Field on Sunday (July 13th), urging the Green Bay Packers to reinstate him as the starting quarterback. The 38-year-old Favre retired on March 6th after 16 seasons with the team, but he's since changed his mind and has asked for his release because it appears the Packers aren't receptive to having him play again. General manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy said Saturday they didn't plan to grant Favre's request, with Thompson saying that while Favre could rejoin the team in a different role, the Packers were committed to going with Aaron Rodgers as their starter.

[lights1961]

Brett Favre will be the starting QB for the Packers this year. What's so fucking hard to figure out about that? And if ESPN continues to conststantly talk about this egotistical, multi-personalitied, self-centered jagoff any more, I think I might boycott them for awhile. I hope he comes back and has his arm broken in 14 places. Preferably by Brian Urlacher.

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....


Here's a little tidbit I found this morning:

FANS PRESSURE GREEN BAY TO REINSTATE FAVRE: About 100 of Brett Favre's fans rallied outside Lambeau Field on Sunday (July 13th), urging the Green Bay Packers to reinstate him as the starting quarterback. The 38-year-old Favre retired on March 6th after 16 seasons with the team, but he's since changed his mind and has asked for his release because it appears the Packers aren't receptive to having him play again. General manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy said Saturday they didn't plan to grant Favre's request, with Thompson saying that while Favre could rejoin the team in a different role, the Packers were committed to going with Aaron Rodgers as their starter.

YOU gotta love Packer fans... and count me in as someone who wants him to be hurt his first game back...and then 2nd guessing himself...maybe i shoulda stayed retired... and blame the Packers of course...

Rick

[classicstyxfan]

Here's an article that summarizes what happened each time Favre was hurt......

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/ko ... erspective


IMO if he comes back its more likely he doesnt play up to his former abilities then having an injury he cant play well through......

he didnt throw 5 touchdown passes every game after injury like he did against the Bears, but he never played a game where he hurt the teams chances of winning after an injury.

I stand by my earlier post, I really dont want to see him tarnish the end of his career, but I know better then to bet against him if he has the determination to play again.

[Saint John]

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....

Last woman that told me that had a severe drinking problem. I hope that's not the case, Ang.

Here's a little tidbit I found this morning:

FANS PRESSURE GREEN BAY TO REINSTATE FAVRE: About 100 of Brett Favre's fans rallied outside Lambeau Field on Sunday (July 13th), urging the Green Bay Packers to reinstate him as the starting quarterback. The 38-year-old Favre retired on March 6th after 16 seasons with the team, but he's since changed his mind and has asked for his release because it appears the Packers aren't receptive to having him play again. General manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy said Saturday they didn't plan to grant Favre's request, with Thompson saying that while Favre could rejoin the team in a different role, the Packers were committed to going with Aaron Rodgers as their starter.

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Nothing bad enough could happen to these people.

[Angiekay]

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....

Last woman that told me that had a severe drinking problem. I hope that's not the case, Ang.

No, but have I mentioned I'm deaf, dumb and blind?

[Saint John]

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....

Last woman that told me that had a severe drinking problem. I hope that's not the case, Ang.

No, but have I mentioned I'm deaf, dumb and blind?

*sniffle, sniffle*

[Angiekay]

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....

Last woman that told me that had a severe drinking problem. I hope that's not the case, Ang.

No, but have I mentioned I'm deaf, dumb and blind?

*sniffle, sniffle*

Oh, stop it, Brett

[Saint John]

Dan, you turn me on more everyday.....

Last woman that told me that had a severe drinking problem. I hope that's not the case, Ang.

No, but have I mentioned I'm deaf, dumb and blind?

*sniffle, sniffle*

Oh, stop it, Brett

[YoungJRNY]

I'm coming to Favre's defense in this.

Defend away!

The guy is possibly the biggest gamer of his time and possibly today in the world of sports.

I will never argue what a "gamer" Favre has always been. As I've said before, he's a player I've ALWAYS enjoyed watching!

A true and hard earned football player that we probably will not see in generations to come.

I'm not sure what this sentence even means, so I'll move on

The guy played a ba-zillion straight games IN A ROW..hurt, banged, and bruised.. and made that team a fierce competitor year in and year out generally on his throwing arm when some years the team was mediocre at best.

One of the problems I've always had with Favre is that his streak was always more important to him, than anything else. I have witnessed Favre (on more than one occasion) play only the first series of a game and then leave, because he was too injured to play, all to keep a phony streak alive!

Yes, he threw tons and tons of interceptions

I'd say it was at least a ton and a half

That's the type of player Favre was AND is. He's a gunslinger

The "gunslinger" thing was a huge part of who Favre was, but he was slinging the ball to the wrong color jersey WAY too many times, for my taste!

for a 40 year old man DAMN does he still have the strongest arm I've ever seen.

You'll never hear me argue about the cannon of an arm Favre had! The guy could throw the ball a country mile. My criticism of Favre has always been one more of accuracy than of strength!

It isn't about organization anymore to him.

Exactly! That's the criticism I have. He needs to consider the organization and the fans and stop being so self-centered!

By the way, that ONE LONE championship is ONE more Title than the great DAN MARINO will ever have

Right, and I'd still take Marino, all day long! Marino was a MUCH better decision maker than Favre ever was, and your number one job as a QB is to make sound decisions!

This man has been playing ball since he was probably 8 years old, and is possibly the only thing he knows how to do in life..to wake up one day when you still know you can play and not go to work anymore is something he could possibly never get over.

You do realize that Favre "retired" of his own volition, right??? Nobody told Favre to hang the cleats up. It was his decision, and his decision, only! Let's stop turning this into Favre being forced to the sidelines by Green Bay, because it simply didn't happen!

It isn't easy to be a football player for the most obvious reasons.

You could say the same about being Journey's lead singer, but I digress...

Under NFL rule, Favre is still under contract..which means he has every right to hold the team "hostage."

Right, and the Packers have every right to sit his sorry ass on the bench, which is exactly what they should do, in my opinion!

He has sorely been their heart and sole for 16 years and the Green Bay organization knows that.

We agree on that point. Having said that, let's not make it sound like Favre was "donating" his services. He was paid quite well by the Packers organization for his services, and the Packers organization owes him NOTHING!

As a competitor and solid football player...Favre will do it. And there's no doubt the world will be in his corner for this

I think there are probably more people in the Green Bay area who have turned on Favre, because of this charade, than you think! One final point I'll make that I forgot to make earlier in this post. You mentioned how Favre achieved so much on "mediocre" teams. I couldn't disagree with that premise, more! The fact of the matter is that the one championship that Favre won was won by a VERY stacked team (both offensively and defensively). They beat the Patriots that season for their one championship, so I remember it quite well! Also, I challenge you, or anyone, to find ANY QB who has played with better receivers than Favre has, throughout his career in Green Bay! While the Packers haven't always had the weapons on defense, Favre has ALWAYS had VERY good receivers to throw the ball to. Mark Clayton and Mark Duper (who played with Marino, earlier in his career) were nowhere near as good as Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman were!




John from Boston

I'm not sure what this sentence even means, so I'll move on

I'll try this again. This generation of football players is so money hungry that its safe to say very few play the game for the love of playing. $$ has taken over this era in every sense of the word. We will NEVER see another player worth Brett Favre's caliber that plays the game with such heart and determination. He portrays the game as it is, and he was the type of man that the NFL wanted to be defined by.

One of the problems I've always had with Favre is that his streak was always more important to him, than anything else. I have witnessed Favre (on more than one occasion) play only the first series of a game and then leave, because he was too injured to play, all to keep a phony streak alive!

Saying that all Favre cared about was a streak is beyond stupidity. I have not watched any Green Bay games outside of Prime-Time and can't match your witnesses of Favre taken a series and leaving for injury reasons. One thing I can say is the books don't lie and that if he did shade the system, it didn't happen often to cause a ruckus between him and the league. There's not enough facts to go onward with this argument.

I'd say it was at least a ton and a half

Brett Favres career Touchdown/Interception ratio is as follows:

Touchdowns : 442
Interceptions: 288
QB Rating: 85.7

I don't know about you, but with the type of game Favre brought to the table with a gunslinger mentality, those numbers sure do look impressive to me. Another fact is during his 17 seasons, he only had 3 seasons where he threw more interceptions, than touchdowns.

You do realize that Favre "retired" of his own volition, right??? Nobody told Favre to hang the cleats up. It was his decision, and his decision, only! Let's stop turning this into Favre being forced to the sidelines by Green Bay, because it simply didn't happen!

Agreed..and talking as a avid football fan.. I am torn 50/50 between both parties regarding this retired situation. One side gives reason for the Packer organization to share words and one side gives Favre the right to share words. Both have been extremely loyal to each for over a decade and need to clean this up sooner than later. If the Packer organization wanted to wipe their hands clean of Favre completely then I don't understand the need to publicly throwing him a deck of cards to him and say serve the team AS A BACKUP. I don't know about you, but if it came to that, then Favre being served as a backup could hurt the growth of Aaron Rodgers even more than it already has. This will allow the locker room to divide, and thats the last thing a team needs. It's just a mess and each side is as guilty as the other when talking about negatives.

I think there are probably more people in the Green Bay area who have turned on Favre, because of this charade, than you think! One final point I'll make that I forgot to make earlier in this post. You mentioned how Favre achieved so much on "mediocre" teams. I couldn't disagree with that premise, more! The fact of the matter is that the one championship that Favre won was won by a VERY stacked team (both offensively and defensively). They beat the Patriots that season for their one championship, so I remember it quite well! Also, I challenge you, or anyone, to find ANY QB who has played with better receivers than Favre has, throughout his career in Green Bay! While the Packers haven't always had the weapons on defense, Favre has ALWAYS had VERY good receivers to throw the ball to. Mark Clayton and Mark Duper (who played with Marino, earlier in his career) were nowhere near as good as Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman were!

You mean the hundreds and hundreds of people/fans who had a rally in the streets of Green Bay chanting "We want Brett" Those ones?

To say Favre has TOP NOTCH CALIBER RECEIVERS to throw to during his days in Green Bay is just absurd. Yes, he had occasionally good #1's in guys like Sterling Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Risen, but NONE of these guys are considered ground breaking receivers who could single handily take over a game such players as Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Marvin Harrison could. You can pick a handful of good receivers in past times on certain teams and say this QB had him and that QB had that. That goes for all. IMHO, Favre was always on the SHITTY end of the stick when it came to his receivers. He never had what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had. Why do you think he pushed so hard to snag Randy Moss an off season ago? Even in the Super Bowl that the Packers won, I believe they didn't have the best receiver on that field. I believe it went to NE'S Terry Glenn.

This whole situation is a shit-fest. It's he said she said. Either argument towards this subject proves to be worthy. There is a lot of variables that play into this and it could leave a football fan torn right down the middle. I'm interested to see what happens in the next few days/weeks.

[Enigma869]

To say Favre has TOP NOTCH CALIBER RECEIVERS to throw to during his days in Green Bay is just absurd.

Dude...check your facts! Keith Jackson..Bubba Franks...Donald Driver...Antonio Freeman...Sterling Sharpe...Marc Chmura...Terry Glenn (yes, even he played in GB)...Robert Ferguson, et al. The guy played with very good receivers!

Yes, he had occasionally good #1's in guys like Sterling Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Risen, but NONE of these guys are considered ground breaking receivers who could single handily take over a game such players as Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Marvin Harrison could.

You're dead wrong! If you truly believe that Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman didn't take over games, you weren't watching many GB games when these guys were playing. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that both guys were always in the top 3 receivers drafted, in every fantasy football league, because of their production!

IMHO, Favre was always on the SHITTY end of the stick when it came to his receivers.

Sure he did! You're nuts!

He never had what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had.

Now you're an authority on the receivers that Tom Brady has played with??? This statement proves to me that you know absolutely NOTHING about the game of football. Who are all these "great" receivers that Brady has played with???? Name one single guy, and Moss doesn't count, because he's been there only one season! Let me give you a list of these "great" receivers Brady has played with. In the 2002 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Troy Brown, David Patten, and Jermaine Wiggins! In the 2004 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to David Givens, Deion Branch, and Daniel Graham. In the 2005 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Branch, Givens, and Brown! If you seriously believe that even one of those guys is a great NFL receiver, you're smoking crack! Prior to Brady being paired with Moss, he had NEVER played a single game with half the talent Moss has. That being said, you'll note that Brady lost last year's Super Bowl, throwing the ball to Moss! There isn't a single QB, in the history of the NFL, who has done more with less, than Brady has, period, end of story!

Even in the Super Bowl that the Packers won, I believe they didn't have the best receiver on that field. I believe it went to NE'S Terry Glenn.

And I believe that you're wrong, again! The facts are as follows: Antonio Freeman - 105 yards...Andre Rison - 77 yards...Ben Coates - 67 yards...Terry Glenn - 62 yards! This brings up another point...How "young" is "YoungJRNY"? It seems based upon your erroneous recollection of the facts, that perhaps you weren't old enough to even remember a game from 12 years ago


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

To say Favre has TOP NOTCH CALIBER RECEIVERS to throw to during his days in Green Bay is just absurd.

Dude...check your facts! Keith Jackson..Bubba Franks...Donald Driver...Antonio Freeman...Sterling Sharpe...Marc Chmura...Terry Glenn (yes, even he played in GB)...Robert Ferguson, et al. The guy played with very good receivers!

Yes, he had occasionally good #1's in guys like Sterling Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Risen, but NONE of these guys are considered ground breaking receivers who could single handily take over a game such players as Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Marvin Harrison could.

You're dead wrong! If you truly believe that Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman didn't take over games, you weren't watching many GB games when these guys were playing. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that both guys were always in the top 3 receivers drafted, in every fantasy football league, because of their production!

IMHO, Favre was always on the SHITTY end of the stick when it came to his receivers.

Sure he did! You're nuts!

He never had what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had.

Now you're an authority on the receivers that Tom Brady has played with??? This statement proves to me that you know absolutely NOTHING about the game of football. Who are all these "great" receivers that Brady has played with???? Name one single guy, and Moss doesn't count, because he's been there only one season! Let me give you a list of these "great" receivers Brady has played with. In the 2002 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Troy Brown, David Patten, and Jermaine Wiggins! In the 2004 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to David Givens, Deion Branch, and Daniel Graham. In the 2005 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Branch, Givens, and Brown! If you seriously believe that even one of those guys is a great NFL receiver, you're smoking crack! Prior to Brady being paired with Moss, he had NEVER played a single game with half the talent Moss has. That being said, you'll note that Brady lost last year's Super Bowl, throwing the ball to Moss! There isn't a single QB, in the history of the NFL, who has done more with less, than Brady has, period, end of story!

Even in the Super Bowl that the Packers won, I believe they didn't have the best receiver on that field. I believe it went to NE'S Terry Glenn.

And I believe that you're wrong, again! The facts are as follows: Antonio Freeman - 105 yards...Andre Rison - 77 yards...Ben Coates - 67 yards...Terry Glenn - 62 yards! This brings up another point...How "young" is "YoungJRNY"? It seems based upon your erroneous recollection of the facts, that perhaps you weren't old enough to even remember a game from 12 years ago


John from Boston

Sorry but you are owned here YoungJrnyfan! This along with your prediction that the Penguins are in good shape after losing so many players confirms your "rose colored glasses" syndrome.

[YoungJRNY]

To say Favre has TOP NOTCH CALIBER RECEIVERS to throw to during his days in Green Bay is just absurd.

Dude...check your facts! Keith Jackson..Bubba Franks...Donald Driver...Antonio Freeman...Sterling Sharpe...Marc Chmura...Terry Glenn (yes, even he played in GB)...Robert Ferguson, et al. The guy played with very good receivers!

Yes, he had occasionally good #1's in guys like Sterling Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Risen, but NONE of these guys are considered ground breaking receivers who could single handily take over a game such players as Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Marvin Harrison could.

You're dead wrong! If you truly believe that Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman didn't take over games, you weren't watching many GB games when these guys were playing. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that both guys were always in the top 3 receivers drafted, in every fantasy football league, because of their production!

IMHO, Favre was always on the SHITTY end of the stick when it came to his receivers.

Sure he did! You're nuts!

He never had what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had.

Now you're an authority on the receivers that Tom Brady has played with??? This statement proves to me that you know absolutely NOTHING about the game of football. Who are all these "great" receivers that Brady has played with???? Name one single guy, and Moss doesn't count, because he's been there only one season! Let me give you a list of these "great" receivers Brady has played with. In the 2002 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Troy Brown, David Patten, and Jermaine Wiggins! In the 2004 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to David Givens, Deion Branch, and Daniel Graham. In the 2005 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Branch, Givens, and Brown! If you seriously believe that even one of those guys is a great NFL receiver, you're smoking crack! Prior to Brady being paired with Moss, he had NEVER played a single game with half the talent Moss has. That being said, you'll note that Brady lost last year's Super Bowl, throwing the ball to Moss! There isn't a single QB, in the history of the NFL, who has done more with less, than Brady has, period, end of story!

Even in the Super Bowl that the Packers won, I believe they didn't have the best receiver on that field. I believe it went to NE'S Terry Glenn.

And I believe that you're wrong, again! The facts are as follows: Antonio Freeman - 105 yards...Andre Rison - 77 yards...Ben Coates - 67 yards...Terry Glenn - 62 yards! This brings up another point...How "young" is "YoungJRNY"? It seems based upon your erroneous recollection of the facts, that perhaps you weren't old enough to even remember a game from 12 years ago


John from Boston

Dude...check your facts! Keith Jackson..Bubba Franks...Donald Driver...Antonio Freeman...Sterling Sharpe...Marc Chmura...Terry Glenn (yes, even he played in GB)...Robert Ferguson, et al. The guy played with very good receivers!

Every Quarterback in this league at one point or another, played with good receivers. I noted that Favre did play with good receivers, but not as good as you may talk them up to be..you talk as if guys like Keith Jackson and Antonio Freeman changed the way the game was played at the WR position as they hit the field. That isn't the case in what I'm pointing out. Those players Favre had were simply good plug-ins for a good system that the receivers fit well under. It was Favre's arm who made a handful of them DECENT at what their job was supposed to cover.

Keith Jackson only played for Green Bay ONE year and had what, somewhere around 40 receptions in a pass happy Green Bay system. Robert Ferguson..yeah that BEAST that never caught more than 500 Receiving yards in a season and the peak of his TD catches came no more than a whopping 4. Sterling Sharpe was for sure the best out of the group that Favre ever had. A true Hall of Famer. With that said he didn't even play in the SB that the Pack even won due an injury to his neck. He sustained a neck injury in 93 or 94 If I can recall. I was always a fan of Antonio Freeman and liked him as a receiver. He was a great possession receiver and topped over 1,000 yards with the team the 9 seasons he was there I believe. Donald Driver is Pro Bowler also who is one of the under-rated in the league. Bubba Franks was a reliable TE but nowhere near the best at what he did. An Average player.

Terry Glenn played for GB one year and had like 2 or 3 Td's. That SB season for NE he racked up some 90 receptions and well over 1,000 yards receiving, compared to Antonio Freeman's 50 catches; 933 yards receiving. In '96 as a total Andre Risen had only 13 receptions in that season for 135 yards. He only played 5 games. Just because Glenn was outplayed by the GB receivers doesn't mean he wasn't the best out of the group. He was, IMO.

Same goes for a guy like Tom Brady. He had some very talented receivers and made one in Deion Branch out to be SB MVP in one SB. Even if it was for one year, Tom Brady had something Favre never came across.. a juggernaut play maker like Randy Moss. IMO, Favre MADE those receivers and they would of been shit with out 'em.

You can throw stats and players out ALL day, when it comes to comparing ANY TEAM. I've been following the NFL very closely since I was yay high, and know a good portion of past and current players and can argue all damn day when it comes to this stuff, I love it.

BTW, I was 8 years old when the Pack defeated N.E. Watched every second of it too.

[YoungJRNY]

To say Favre has TOP NOTCH CALIBER RECEIVERS to throw to during his days in Green Bay is just absurd.

Dude...check your facts! Keith Jackson..Bubba Franks...Donald Driver...Antonio Freeman...Sterling Sharpe...Marc Chmura...Terry Glenn (yes, even he played in GB)...Robert Ferguson, et al. The guy played with very good receivers!

Yes, he had occasionally good #1's in guys like Sterling Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Risen, but NONE of these guys are considered ground breaking receivers who could single handily take over a game such players as Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Marvin Harrison could.

You're dead wrong! If you truly believe that Sterling Sharpe and Antonio Freeman didn't take over games, you weren't watching many GB games when these guys were playing. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that both guys were always in the top 3 receivers drafted, in every fantasy football league, because of their production!

IMHO, Favre was always on the SHITTY end of the stick when it came to his receivers.

Sure he did! You're nuts!

He never had what Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had.

Now you're an authority on the receivers that Tom Brady has played with??? This statement proves to me that you know absolutely NOTHING about the game of football. Who are all these "great" receivers that Brady has played with???? Name one single guy, and Moss doesn't count, because he's been there only one season! Let me give you a list of these "great" receivers Brady has played with. In the 2002 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Troy Brown, David Patten, and Jermaine Wiggins! In the 2004 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to David Givens, Deion Branch, and Daniel Graham. In the 2005 Super Bowl, he won the game throwing to Branch, Givens, and Brown! If you seriously believe that even one of those guys is a great NFL receiver, you're smoking crack! Prior to Brady being paired with Moss, he had NEVER played a single game with half the talent Moss has. That being said, you'll note that Brady lost last year's Super Bowl, throwing the ball to Moss! There isn't a single QB, in the history of the NFL, who has done more with less, than Brady has, period, end of story!

Even in the Super Bowl that the Packers won, I believe they didn't have the best receiver on that field. I believe it went to NE'S Terry Glenn.

And I believe that you're wrong, again! The facts are as follows: Antonio Freeman - 105 yards...Andre Rison - 77 yards...Ben Coates - 67 yards...Terry Glenn - 62 yards! This brings up another point...How "young" is "YoungJRNY"? It seems based upon your erroneous recollection of the facts, that perhaps you weren't old enough to even remember a game from 12 years ago


John from Boston

Sorry but you are owned here YoungJrnyfan! This along with your prediction that the Penguins are in good shape after losing so many players confirms your "rose colored glasses" syndrome.

A lot of teams lose so many players. Esp. after losing the Stanley Cup when key players contracts were up, and ESP. when you need to lock up your future. You have to bite the bullet somehow in releasing players.. but biting the bullet now will be beneficial in the long run, hence the current Penguin Situation. The Pens will be fine. Rose Colored glasses or not, I speak what I think regarding on what I understand and see.

[NealIsGod]

Brett Favre told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren that he has scant interest in reporting to Green Bay Packers training camp next week if he's not assured of being the starter, and still wants to be released by the team to pursue other opportunities.

Van Susteren interviewed Favre Monday in Mississippi. The interview was scheduled to air Monday night on On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.

The interview features Favre's first public comments since he notified the Packers last week he wanted to be released and the team subsequently denied the request. The Packers, from whom he tearfully retired in March, said he would be welcome to return but with no guarantees he would be the 2008 starter.

Reached by USA TODAY late Monday afternoon, Van Susteren said Favre had all but ruled out a return to the Packers if he has to compete for the job with former backup Aaron Rodgers.

"He would love to, but he doesn't want to sit on the bench, and so far the general manager (Ted Thompson) has indicated that's a possibility," Van Susteren said. "He just wants to be released. He wants to go somewhere where he's wanted."

According to an excerpt from the interview, Favre told Fox he understands the Packers need to move on. Favre said the Packers asked him for a list of teams to which he would accept a trade, he wants to be released to make sure he ends up on a competitive club.

"Them moving on does not bother me," Favre said. "It doesn't. I totally understand that. By me retiring March 3rd, I knew that could possibly happen. All I was saying is, you know, I'm thinking about playing again."

But what would he do if the Packers neither cut him or trade him? Report to camp? Stay retired?

"That's what he's trying to decide," Van Susteren said. "He doesn't know what he's going to do. He's just hoping that the Packers release him so he can move on from there."

She added that Favre "loves the Green Bay fans," and that "his only issue is with management at this point."

Also, Van Susteren stressed Favre appears to have no second thoughts about his latest decision.

"I think he's totally at peace with it," she said. "He's healthy and he wants to play."

Favre told Van Susteren: "If I'm going to play it's going to be 100% commitment."

Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy have said they hoped for Favre's return after last season, when the three-time league MVP led the Packers to the NFL championship game. But when Favre announced his retirement, they began making plans to move forward with Rodgers, their first-round draft pick in 2005.

Later that month, however, according to Thompson and McCarthy, Favre told them he wanted to return. They agreed and made plans to fly to Mississippi to finalize the deal, only to be told by Favre two days before the trip that he had changed his mind again and wanted to remain retired.

And now this.

"He said he understands the Packers have to do what they have to do," Van Susteren said, "but that doesn't change the fact he still wants to play football."

Van Susteren — a Packers shareholder from Appleton, Wis., who doesn't usually tackle sports topics — said she landed the interview after receiving an e-mail last weekend from Favre's wife, Deanna, whom she had interviewed regarding her 2004 diagnosis of breast cancer. Deanna had been watching Van Susteren's comments about former Fox political commentator Tony Snow, who died Friday after a battle with cancer.

Van Susteren said Deanna told her Brett wanted to talk, and asked whether she would be willing to travel to Mississippi to interview him.

[Saint John]

Dude...check your facts!

Check yours!!!

Keith Jackson

Slightly above average

Bubba Franks

Average...lazy and likes to drop passes

Donald Driver

A tough receiver that followed Favre's lead. Minus Favre this dude would be very mediocre.

Antonio Freeman

Perhaps Favre's best wide receiver in GB and that aint saying much. Dude was a breakaway threat and Favre hasn't had one since.

Sterling Sharpe

Really the only guy on this list worth a fuck. Potential hall of famer til he hurt his neck.

Marc Chmura

7 years and under 2,500 yards receiving. A complete bum. Not a guy you'd want in the bathroom with your teenage daughter either. For your sake I hope you're related to the guy. Otherwise you made a complete ass out of yourself for no reason!!!

Terry Glenn

1 year and 2 touchdowns...yay.

Robert Ferguson

lol...in the 3 full seasons he played with the Packers he had just over 1,000 yards total...put him on the fast track to Canton!!!

[RedWingFan]

Dude...check your facts!

Bottom line is Favre wanted out of GB and the only way he'd figure that could happen was this fraud retirement.
He was pissed cuz GB made zero effort in signing Moss.
He crys at his press conference. Hears GB talk about moving on with Rodgers. Favre then tests the waters with GB again a couple of weeks later. GB calls his bluff and says "sure we'll take you back." Then Favre say's "eh, I was just playin', I don't really wanna come back"
GB then drafts more QB's and officially moves on. Now Favre say's "I wanna come back"
Dude want's out of GB and this whole fiasco was his way of getting it. GB better stick to their guns and sit this ass on the bench.

[7 Wishes]

Wow. This Favre-hating is astonishing.

I understand where the Packers are coming from, in that they finally committed to A.R., but you have to at least trade Favre or grant him his release.

One of the five greatest QB's of all time. He had one of his best seasons ever last year, at 37. Give it a rest.

[RedWingFan]

Wow. This Favre-hating is astonishing.

I understand where the Packers are coming from, in that they finally committed to A.R., but you have to at least trade Favre or grant him his release.

One of the five greatest QB's of all time. He had one of his best seasons ever last year, at 37. Give it a rest.

The Packers don't have to do a damn thing. You think they HAVE to grant him his release and give him the opportunity to play with a division rival? Ridiculous.
What Favre is trying to do is pull off a sly dishonest way of getting out of his contract.
No way is he top 5!

[Enigma869]

Wow. This Favre-hating is astonishing.

I can assure you that I don't hate, Favre, AT ALL! I simply think the guy is a complete jackass for his bullshit retirement tour! Even if you're Favre biggest supporter, you can't give me ANY justifiable reason for Favre standing in front of a microphone, crying, and saying he's done, only to come back and say he doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay, which is the biggest bullshit story, EVER! The guy is a fucking icon in Green Bay, and if he ran for mayor, he'd win, IN A LANDSLIDE! This is worst than Perry saying he never felt part of the band

One of the five greatest QB's of all time.

Your opinion! Favre was a great QB, and is a first ballot hall of famer. He's not a top 5 all time QB, in my opinion. He simply made too many bad decisions to outrank some of the other great signal callers in NFL history! I think most NFL historians would rank Favre somewhere between 5-10 of all time. I don't think anyone, outside of Green Bay, would rank him in the top 5.


John from Boston

[Saint John]

Dude...check your facts!

Bottom line is Favre wanted out of GB and the only way he'd figure that could happen was this fraud retirement.
He was pissed cuz GB made zero effort in signing Moss.
He crys at his press conference. Hears GB talk about moving on with Rodgers. Favre then tests the waters with GB again a couple of weeks later. GB calls his bluff and says "sure we'll take you back." Then Favre say's "eh, I was just playin', I don't really wanna come back"
GB then drafts more QB's and officially moves on. Now Favre say's "I wanna come back"
Dude want's out of GB and this whole fiasco was his way of getting it. GB better stick to their guns and sit this ass on the bench.

You misquoted me...asshole. That's not my quote...it's John from fucking Boston's.

[Enigma869]

Check yours!!!

Let's hear your critique on all these "stud" receivers that Brady has been throwing to, over the course of his career, according to John "YoungJRNY" Madden! I agree with your position on a couple of Favre's receivers, but Brady hasn't had half the talent Favre has had!


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

Check yours!!!

Bottom line is Favre wanted out of GB and the only way he'd figure that could happen was this fraud retirement.
He was pissed cuz GB made zero effort in signing Moss.
He crys at his press conference. Hears GB talk about moving on with Rodgers. Favre then tests the waters with GB again a couple of weeks later. GB calls his bluff and says "sure we'll take you back." Then Favre say's "eh, I was just playin', I don't really wanna come back"
GB then drafts more QB's and officially moves on. Now Favre say's "I wanna come back"
Dude want's out of GB and this whole fiasco was his way of getting it. GB better stick to their guns and sit this ass on the bench.

You misquoted me...asshole. That's not my quote...it's John from fucking Boston's.

Sorry Dude, that better?

[RedWingFan]

Check yours!!!

Bottom line is Favre wanted out of GB and the only way he'd figure that could happen was this fraud retirement.
He was pissed cuz GB made zero effort in signing Moss.
He crys at his press conference. Hears GB talk about moving on with Rodgers. Favre then tests the waters with GB again a couple of weeks later. GB calls his bluff and says "sure we'll take you back." Then Favre say's "eh, I was just playin', I don't really wanna come back"
GB then drafts more QB's and officially moves on. Now Favre say's "I wanna come back"
Dude want's out of GB and this whole fiasco was his way of getting it. GB better stick to their guns and sit this ass on the bench.

You misquoted me...asshole. That's not my quote...it's John from fucking Boston's.

Fixed! It reads so much better with your actual words SJ.

[Saint John]

Check yours!!!

Let's hear your critique on all these "stud" receivers that Brady has been throwing to, over the course of his career, according to John "YoungJRNY" Madden! I agree with your position on a couple of Favre's receivers, but Brady hasn't had half the talent Favre has had!


John from Boston

I can't name one receiver that Brady had other than Randy Moss that could even be considered a HOFer. Brady's greatness comes from pin point accuracy, a great offensive line and a passing scheme second to none. I never said he had "stud" receivers, John. He hasn't...save Moss.

[RedWingFan]

I think most NFL historians would rank Favre somewhere between 5-10 of all time. I don't think anyone, outside of Green Bay, would rank him in the top 5.

You have to take into account that Favre has played in the NFC Central/North pretty much his whole career.

[Enigma869]

Same goes for a guy like Tom Brady. He had some very talented receivers and made one in Deion Branch out to be SB MVP in one SB.

Dude...Deion Branch SUCKED! He had one freakin' game, and hasn't done anything, before or since! The guy has NEVER once had a 1000 yards receiving and career high for touchdowns is a whopping 5, so please don't use this guy as an example of all these "great" receivers that Brady has played with! Brady has had ONE very talented receiver, not "some", and his name is Randy Moss!

Tom Brady had something Favre never came across.. a juggernaut play maker like Randy Moss.

Right...and as I said before, he has had Moss for all of one season! I think you're forgetting that Tom Brady won 3 championships for HORRENDOUS receivers, long before Randy Moss ever found his way to Foxboro!

IMO, Favre MADE those receivers and they would of been shit with out 'em.

Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe, and Donald Driver would have all been high performing receivers, with or without Brett Favre!


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe, and Donald Driver would have all been high performing receivers, with or without Brett Favre!

I don't think Greg Jennings is anything to sneeze at either. Dude's gonna have a good career.

[Enigma869]

I don't think Greg Jennings is anything to sneeze at either. Dude's gonna have a good career.

I agree with you 100% on Jennings. I like the guy, a lot! I left him off of the list, only because of his short career, to date! I think he is yet another VERY good, and above average receiver that Favre has had!


John from Boston

[YoungJRNY]

Same goes for a guy like Tom Brady. He had some very talented receivers and made one in Deion Branch out to be SB MVP in one SB.

Dude...Deion Branch SUCKED! He had one freakin' game, and hasn't done anything, before or since! The guy has NEVER once had a 1000 yards receiving and career high for touchdowns is a whopping 5, so please don't use this guy as an example of all these "great" receivers that Brady has played with! Brady has had ONE very talented receiver, not "some", and his name is Randy Moss!

Tom Brady had something Favre never came across.. a juggernaut play maker like Randy Moss.

Right...and as I said before, he has had Moss for all of one season! I think you're forgetting that Tom Brady won 3 championships for HORRENDOUS receivers, long before Randy Moss ever found his way to Foxboro!

IMO, Favre MADE those receivers and they would of been shit with out 'em.

Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharpe, and Donald Driver would have all been high performing receivers, with or without Brett Favre!


John from Boston

Holy shit John, I'm not saying Brady had Receivers who were "great." New England is run off of a system who puts defense's at their heals at all times. You can dink and dunk all day if you want, they dare you to play the deep ball, hands down. Bill Bellicheat put in an offensive mammoth who at one time was worth mentioning. Now the world knows that it's pretty damn easy to know where to go with the football when the Quarterback KNOWS where the defense will be at all times. All that aside, Brady was made by a system, and the way Brady grasped it, he made those mediocre receivers worth naming..the same thing Favre did with his receiving core. That's what franchise Quarterbacks do, and that's what an offensive coordinator game-plans around.

BTW I wouldn't even call Bradys receivers horrendous... you and I can run 3-5 yard drag routes!! Favre actualy threw the ball downfield and put the teams chances in his hands. As for you saying Driver, Sharpe, and freeman would have been high performers else where...well...good. Maybe they would of been.