Vocal Strain starting to show early? (Apparently Not!)

[Gibby]

Saw them in lake tahoe. The air was filled with smoke from all the wildfires burning in CA and he sounded amazing. This, I believe, was the night after they played in Salt Lake City. They just finished a Euro tour so I'm not worried at all about his voice. The guy has been singing since he was a kid and has been belting out Journey and other tough songs in smokey clubs for years for 3 - 4 hours a night. For all we know this hour and a half a night Journey gig might seem easier to him. His pipes are well worn and he is doing great at 40. So much scrutiny for someone that is truly a vocal monster. See them live - don't judge through shitty audio from youtube.

[Rhiannon]

well then marriage left out of it ...it's ok for him to treat the exband members the way he did?

1.) Treated them how? ...Provide substantiating proof of your claims, NOT just things you've come to learn over internet posts and filling in the gaps with your imagination.

2.) I wasn't there. I wouldn't know how anyone got treated so it is not my place to judge Neal's character and whether it is "right" or "wrong". Nor is it yours.

Yep.
The urban legends debunked again.

Just call it a public service.

[Don]

[]wheres his loyalty to his bandmates at???his loyalty is to no one but the all mighty$$$$$.... shattered hopes....lol to funny... you should write short stories.

You said"treat those how you want to be treated "
You wouldn't want someone to air out your own shortcomings on the internet would you, but in the same breath you are doing exactly that to someone else. You do realize that you are contradicting yourself don't you?

to funny ...so your saying if I would've left out the marriage part that would be ok?

Your statement doesn't leave room for selectivity. If I don't mention that you are divorced, but I say you're an alcoholic is that fair to you?
Do you think that Neal's exbandmates care that you continue (in your opinion) to fight the good fight for them. Maybe your time would be better served mentoring a child or volunteering in your community. To do character assasinations on a message board can't leave you with that much emotional fulfillment can it?

and maybe your time responding could be seved better else where ever thought of that?Hey it's just my opinion ...if you don't like it that's your choice...god i love america!

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. I feel I am providing you a service by finding an alternative way for you to dispel the hate that is eating you alive in regards to Neal. My advice may actually prolong your life by removing some of the negativity which may lead to an untimely demise on your part. After all is said and done, you probably will owe me for any longivity to your life span that you may obtain by following my advice but that's okay. It's on the house

[wildone]

[]wheres his loyalty to his bandmates at???his loyalty is to no one but the all mighty$$$$$.... shattered hopes....lol to funny... you should write short stories.

You said"treat those how you want to be treated "
You wouldn't want someone to air out your own shortcomings on the internet would you, but in the same breath you are doing exactly that to someone else. You do realize that you are contradicting yourself don't you?

to funny ...so your saying if I would've left out the marriage part that would be ok?

Your statement doesn't leave room for selectivity. If I don't mention that you are divorced, but I say you're an alcoholic is that fair to you?
Do you think that Neal's exbandmates care that you continue (in your opinion) to fight the good fight for them. Maybe your time would be better served mentoring a child or volunteering in your community. To do character assasinations on a message board can't leave you with that much emotional fulfillment can it?

and maybe your time responding could be seved better else where ever thought of that?Hey it's just my opinion ...if you don't like it that's your choice...god i love america!

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. I feel I am providing you a service by finding an alternative way for you to dispel the hate that is eating you alive in regards to Neal. My advice may actually prolong your life by removing some of the negativity which may lead to an untimely demise on your part. After all is said and done, you probably will owe me for any longivity to your life span that you may obtain by following my advice but that's okay. It's on the house

lmao ....to funny your killin me here...and the longevity ...sorry the grandparents get that nod

[RobbieG]

[]wheres his loyalty to his bandmates at???his loyalty is to no one but the all mighty$$$$$.... shattered hopes....lol to funny... you should write short stories.

You said"treat those how you want to be treated "
You wouldn't want someone to air out your own shortcomings on the internet would you, but in the same breath you are doing exactly that to someone else. You do realize that you are contradicting yourself don't you?

to funny ...so your saying if I would've left out the marriage part that would be ok?

Your statement doesn't leave room for selectivity. If I don't mention that you are divorced, but I say you're an alcoholic is that fair to you?
Do you think that Neal's exbandmates care that you continue (in your opinion) to fight the good fight for them. Maybe your time would be better served mentoring a child or volunteering in your community. To do character assasinations on a message board can't leave you with that much emotional fulfillment can it?

and maybe your time responding could be seved better else where ever thought of that?Hey it's just my opinion ...if you don't like it that's your choice...god i love america!

Woldone seems both posters have good points. You sound like the Journey bashers on the other 2 forums.

you know she's right I should practice what I preach ...but the way he treated band members still stands ...and it was my bad to bring up his personal life!

How did he treat band mates? Right now they are making money because of Neal. JSS should be grateful to Neal for his new fans who now who he is. Same with Augeri

[wildone]

[/quote] Hey you all have fun here ....and remeber don't take things so seriously ...off to the beach have a greatday!!

[RobbieG]

Hey you all have fun here ....and remeber don't take things so seriously ...off to the beach have a greatday!! [/quote]


You take everything seriously because you believe everything on the internet.

[wildone]

if thats where you get all your info then fine...and No I don't...lol and why not believe hell neil does lol...oh wait that was on the internet to ...jonathan said iton a knbr interview ...but we won't believe that either

[SusieP]

The guy has been singing since he was a kid and has been belting out Journey and other tough songs in smokey clubs for years for 3 - 4 hours a night. For all we know this hour and a half a night Journey gig might seem easier to him.

Very good point.

[ttango1]

The guy has been singing since he was a kid and has been belting out Journey and other tough songs in smokey clubs for years for 3 - 4 hours a night. For all we know this hour and a half a night Journey gig might seem easier to him.

Very good point.

A point I've made since October when people were making the jokes about State Fairs and Manure in the air affecting his voice. Well, so far so good.

[spellbinder]

Gunbot, who's that rather attractive young female in the av?

Day after day, there she is in yet another state of glorious undress.

He wont tell me her name or website, he wants to keep her all to himself greedy ass

Here you go stevew2 ...

She's just right here ....

[bluejeangirl76]

[wednesday's child]

No strain, while he might have missed a note(not many I can assure you), I would think it's because he is speedy Arnel, the guy runs all over the place, he changes levels, he doesn't even use the steps to get to the platform tops...no, homeboy just jumps to the top. In short, he isn't the stand-still singer many predicted he would be while using those YT clips singing back home in the bars and clubs of Asia.

SO AGAIN, HELL NO!!!! In fact, the guy sounds so much better now than he did in Vegas. If they could film that DVD now, what you'd see is Championship Form.

Thanks for the info, ttango.
That's a BIG fucking relief.
Again, thanks.

-wech

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Hey spellbinder,

Aki Kawamura was gunbot's LAST avi.
He switched to Maiko Osawa very recently.
I'm just dreading the day he switches to Misa Ocampo:



he pulls that shit, then I'm demanding Pikachu's return.

-wech

[Fire99]

I loved the comment about re-recording the 'classics' so if A.P suffered vocal issues they could revert to tape without issue.
A few years ago this would of sounded obsurd but after the last couple of years and all that happened you couldn't rule it out could ya? But lets not get too cynical..

One thing that is relevant i think is that most of the songs being played live were written to suit Steve Perry's voice. The original vocalist will always have it better than anyone that has to fit into their shoes since the songs fit their voice like a glove. They are still demanding and punishing but the the voice came first and the songs second..
With Steve Augeri and onwards it was the other way round and that is always gonna be tough on a singer.

Not taking anything away from what Steve Perry achieved on stage and the ordeal his voice would have to go through with that punishing tour schedule time and time again.. but it's no surprise that anyone who doesn't have the identical voice/range of Steve Perry will have their work cut out keeping their vocal health on the same songs.

[ttango1]

I loved the comment about re-recording the 'classics' so if A.P suffered vocal issues they could revert to tape without issue.
A few years ago this would of sounded obsurd but after the last couple of years and all that happened you couldn't rule it out could ya? But lets not get too cynical..

One thing that is relevant i think is that most of the songs being played live were written to suit Steve Perry's voice. The original vocalist will always have it better than anyone that has to fit into their shoes since the songs fit their voice like a glove. They are still demanding and punishing but the the voice came first and the songs second..
With Steve Augeri and onwards it was the other way round and that is always gonna be tough on a singer.

Not taking anything away from what Steve Perry achieved on stage and the ordeal his voice would have to go through with that punishing tour schedule time and time again.. but it's no surprise that anyone who doesn't have the identical voice/range of Steve Perry will have their work cut out keeping their vocal health on the same songs.

What part of hell fucking no do people not get? No vocal issues whatsoever, so I wish Wech would change the tread title to IT's ALL GOOD. Arnel's range while not original, except for all the new Revelation stuff, has capably performed to the expectations of the crowd as witnessed by their jubilant applause.
So again, no vocal issues whatsoever.

Ummm Misa I love my Pinays.

But those J-girls are hot too.

Here's Rie Koyima, Thank You Ninja Warrior

[Don]

I loved the comment about re-recording the 'classics' so if A.P suffered vocal issues they could revert to tape without issue.
A few years ago this would of sounded obsurd but after the last couple of years and all that happened you couldn't rule it out could ya? But lets not get too cynical..

One thing that is relevant i think is that most of the songs being played live were written to suit Steve Perry's voice. The original vocalist will always have it better than anyone that has to fit into their shoes since the songs fit their voice like a glove. They are still demanding and punishing but the the voice came first and the songs second..
With Steve Augeri and onwards it was the other way round and that is always gonna be tough on a singer.

Not taking anything away from what Steve Perry achieved on stage and the ordeal his voice would have to go through with that punishing tour schedule time and time again.. but it's no surprise that anyone who doesn't have the identical voice/range of Steve Perry will have their work cut out keeping their vocal health on the same songs.

What part of hell fucking no do people not get? No vocal issues whatsoever, so I wish Wech would change the tread title to IT's ALL GOOD. Arnel's range while not original, except for all the new Revelation stuff, has capably performed to the expectations of the crowd as witnessed by their jubilant applause.
So again, no vocal issues whatsoever.

Ummm Misa I love my Pinays.

But those J-girls are hot too.

Here's Rie Koyima, Thank You Ninja Warrior

It was your Kababayan WECH that got this train a rollin

[Enigma869]

You'd think tour arrangers would have realised by now that singers need more time between shows than band members who don't sing.

I think it's Neal who simply doesn't grasp this reality. Neal constantly babbles about how all he wants to do is tour, without ever contemplating just how grueling this catalog is on a singer's voice!


John from Boston

[Rick]

You'd think tour arrangers would have realised by now that singers need more time between shows than band members who don't sing.

I think it's Neal who simply doesn't grasp this reality. Neal constantly babbles about how all he wants to do is tour, without ever contemplating just how grueling this catalog is on a singer's voice!


John from Boston

Hey, I'm sure his fingers get sore.

[wednesday's child]

What part of hell fucking no do people not get?
No vocal issues whatsoever, so I wish Wech would change the tread title...

Happy now?

Ummm Misa I love my Pinays.

Misa looks like waterlogged shit compared to my wife.
No, I am not posting pics.

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I'm glad to hear tell that the hoarseness I thought I heard on NWA (San Diego YT clip) wasn't really there.

I said it before... guitar strings, drum skins... even grand fucking pianos can be retuned/replaced quickly & cheaply.
Human vocal folds are a whole different deal, and if the rest of Journey hasn't clued into that fact, after what
Steve P. and Steve A. were put through and suffered ... then Arnel is seriously screwed.

Journey can't be THAT fucking stupid, can they?
What's that definition of insanity again?

-wech

[Don]

What part of hell fucking no do people not get?
No vocal issues whatsoever, so I wish Wech would change the tread title...

Happy now?

Ummm Misa I love my Pinays.

Misa looks like waterlogged shit compared to my wife.
No, I am not posting her pics.

-=-=-=-

I'm glad to hear tell that the hoarseness I thought I heard on NWA (San Diego YT clip) wasn't really there.

I said it before... guitar strings, drum skins... even grand fucking pianos can be replaced quickly and cheaply.
Human vocal folds are a whole different deal, and if the rest of Journey hasn't clued into that fact, after what
Steve P. and Steve A. were put through and suffered ... then Arnel is seriously screwed.

Journey can't be THAT fucking stupid, can they?
Like, what's the definition of insanity again?

-wech

When it comes to touring, YES THEY CAN

Journey past tour dates

[wildone]

I loved the comment about re-recording the 'classics' so if A.P suffered vocal issues they could revert to tape without issue.
A few years ago this would of sounded obsurd but after the last couple of years and all that happened you couldn't rule it out could ya? But lets not get too cynical..

One thing that is relevant i think is that most of the songs being played live were written to suit Steve Perry's voice. The original vocalist will always have it better than anyone that has to fit into their shoes since the songs fit their voice like a glove. They are still demanding and punishing but the the voice came first and the songs second..
With Steve Augeri and onwards it was the other way round and that is always gonna be tough on a singer.

Not taking anything away from what Steve Perry achieved on stage and the ordeal his voice would have to go through with that punishing tour schedule time and time again.. but it's no surprise that anyone who doesn't have the identical voice/range of Steve Perry will have their work cut out keeping their vocal health on the same songs.

What part of hell fucking no do people not get? No vocal issues whatsoever, so I wish Wech would change the tread title to IT's ALL GOOD. Arnel's range while not original, except for all the new Revelation stuff, has capably performed to the expectations of the crowd as witnessed by their jubilant applause.
So again, no vocal issues whatsoever.

Ummm Misa I love my Pinays.

But those J-girls are hot too.

Here's Rie Koyima, Thank You Ninja Warrior

It was your Kababayan WECH that got this train a rollin

Dude ripping picture....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr thanks for the ummmm smile

[texafana]

jesus christ some of you guys need to get laid...for real....too much virtual shite... jeesh...

[Since 78]

jesus christ some of you guys need to get laid...for real....too much virtual shite... jeesh...

If you would like your own AV just ask! I'm sure GB would help you out!!

[spellbinder]

Hey spellbinder,

Aki Kawamura was gunbot's LAST avi.
He switched to Maiko Osawa very recently.
I'm just dreading the day he switches to Misa Ocampo:



he pulls that shit, then I'm demanding Pikachu's return.

-wech

Gunbot has a strong fetish on Japenese women. It's not a surprise, when I was in Singapore, my Singaporean buddies were also very fixated with japanese beauties. They are very chinese and they are dead crazy about japanese women.

I'm looking at Maiko Osawa now at this site and I'm telling you that I have the urge to hockup with a japanese woman.
Where the hell can I find one in D.C. and get my frustrations off!
Damn you Gunbot!

[Don]

I wouldn't say fetish. After living there for five years as a young adult, and sowing my wild oats I would say it's more akin to reminiscing.

[stevew2]

No strain, while he might have missed a note(not many I can assure you), I would think it's because he is speedy Arnel, the guy runs all over the place, he changes levels, he doesn't even use the steps to get to the platform tops...no, homeboy just jumps to the top. In short, he isn't the stand-still singer many predicted he would be while using those YT clips singing back home in the bars and clubs of Asia.

SO AGAIN, HELL NO!!!! In fact, the guy sounds so much better now than he did in Vegas. If they could film that DVD now, what you'd see is Championship Form.

Thanks for the info, ttango.
That's a BIG fucking relief.
Again, thanks.

-wech

-=-=-=-=-=-





Hey spellbinder,

Aki Kawamura was gunbot's LAST avi.
He switched to Maiko Osawa very recently.
I'm just dreading the day he switches to Misa Ocampo:



he pulls that shit, then I'm demanding Pikachu's return.

-wech

im headin to the 7 11 for some bountys right now, screw you gunbot

[Fire99]

What part of hell fucking no do people not get? No vocal issues whatsoever, so I wish Wech would change the tread title to IT's ALL GOOD. Arnel's range while not original, except for all the new Revelation stuff, has capably performed to the expectations of the crowd as witnessed by their jubilant applause.
So again, no vocal issues whatsoever.

Calm down Son....

I didn't say he was having any problems.. T'was a generalised reply about the challenges a singer has when singing songs not originally written for them..
I know cause i've done it.....

Just so you don't blow a fuse, from what i've heard A.P sounds ok to me...

And breathe..................

[stevew2]

Gunbot, who's that rather attractive young female in the av?

Day after day, there she is in yet another state of glorious undress.

He wont tell me her name or website, he wants to keep her all to himself greedy ass

Here you go stevew2 ...

She's just right here ....

Thanks fellow Marylander

[WIX]

to not hear any strain would not be normal on these catalogues of songs. One monster after another.

There was a few parts in Utah that were some strain but nothing major. But outdoor dusty venues will do that.

As fans we all said, don't do too many shows and fry him, but in my opinion they booked a lot of shows and I don't think anyone listened.

It is all about money in shows, maybe somebody should think long term money..................

[wildone]

to not hear any strain would not be normal on these catalogues of songs. One monster after another.

There was a few parts in Utah that were some strain but nothing major. But outdoor dusty venues will do that.

As fans we all said, don't do too many shows and fry him, but in my opinion they booked a lot of shows and I don't think anyone listened.

It is all about money in shows, maybe somebody should think long term money..................

lmao will they ever learn ...hell no it's easier to cashin now and replace later...