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Postby Greg » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:57 am

Rick wrote:
HH always resorted to unconventional marketing techniques to sell Journey albums. Nobody else was doing what he was. Getting them to play their music at the point of sale, stuff like that. While I think HH is quite the windbag, I do believe he worked his ass off and tremendously helped their record sales back in the 70's and 80's. He did whatever it took to get them moved. I think what we're seeing now is more brilliant marketing. And let's not forget, Journey put out a damn fine record also.


I agree, the marketing strategy is genius. I'm just wondering if people are buying the CD package (and will buy the ZUNE player package) because of the new music and Arnel Pineda, or because it's such a great deal and that it comes with songs that everybody knows? We all know what people will say in this forum, but I doubt all of the people who have purchased the album, have done so knowing the circumstances surrounding the band.
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Postby Greg » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:04 am

Saint John wrote:It's a lock to go Double Platinum. They're one-third of the way there already and the domestic tour just started.


Nothing's a lock nowadays.

Saint John wrote:2nd singer as far as singing on albums goes. Nobody cares about that anyway. Sane people keep it mostly about the music. And I can't help it that they're giving the fans a great deal. You're making tons of excuses but that won't change the numbers...ever.


3 lead singers that have been officially named lead singer of Journey and have performed live with the band since Perry's departure. That's funny you talking about sane people. :lol:

And you also can't deny that the package deal from Wal-Mart has helped push the product a great deal either.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:20 am

I totally believe that price/package is a major factor in the sales. But it is now the tour and Arnel driving people to look for the CD. They go hand in hand here.

I don't know how well the ZVUE will do but it is AWESOME to see Journey doing a little "outside the box" promo...even if this is still just another Walmart thing.
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Postby Gordon from Edinburgh » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:30 am

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Red13JoePa wrote:It's risen 2 weeks in a row now, too.


I told all of you fuckers that this would happen when the tour started. I heard they had a lot of big "surprises" in store for us. I think the MP3 player is a fucking HUGE deal. I suspect there will be more "surprises" as well. 8)



You have to take your hat off to the management team here - for once we cannot say the band was badly promoted.
Perry will always be my favourite Journey singer - but i am fucking loving this. I hope it does triple platinum. GH might be 16 million by the end of the year...........
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Postby wednesday's child » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:07 am

Eh???

When Gold status was imminent, it was discredited as just "all of them fucking Filipinos" buying for the Flag.
Now that Gold status is done and buried ... it can't possibly have had anything to do with Arnel???
Like, what the fuck....

The album is selling well for many reasons. Value for money, media buzz, the supporting tour,
and hey... maybe --just maybe-- Andrew's Revelation review wasn't totally full of shit?
Maybe Andrew actually knows a little something about what good melodic rock is?
Maybe ....gasp... even the buying public does too?


Pigfuckers.
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Postby Greg » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:41 am

wednesday's child wrote:Eh???

When Gold status was imminent, it was discredited as just "all of them fucking Filipinos" buying for the Flag.
Now that Gold status is done and buried ... it can't possibly have had anything to do with Arnel???
Like, what the fuck....

The album is selling well for many reasons. Value for money, media buzz, the supporting tour,
and hey... maybe --just maybe-- Andrew's Revelation review wasn't totally full of shit?
Maybe Andrew actually knows a little something about what good melodic rock is?
Maybe ....gasp... even the buying public does too?


Pigfuckers.

-wech


Wow, was that necessary? Who said that the sales of this CD had nothing to do with Arnel? Saying that the Wal-Mart package was MOSTLY responsible for Journey's sales success isn't saying Wal-Mart is the ONLY reason. Do you not understand the difference? If Journey had taken this route when Arrival had come out (if Wal-Mart was getting into the "Music biz" so to speak,) it would've gotten the same success with the same packages. However, sure, the vocalist has to sound good, and both Arnel Pineda and Steve Augeri sound good...at least good enough on a Journey album. But, it really isn't so much about this particular line up, but about how it gets promoted. People would like to think it's all because of Arnel Pineda, but I think most of us will eventually find out (possibly in the near future) that isn't the case at all.
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Postby slucero » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:12 am

Interesting how this reads when ya insert the name "Perry" for the other singers names... and change the store to (insert your favorite record store chain from the 80's) this could well have been written in the 80's..

Wow, was that necessary? Who said that the sales of this CD had nothing to do with Perry? Saying that Tower Records was MOSTLY responsible for Journey's sales success isn't saying Tower Records is the ONLY reason. Do you not understand the difference? If Journey had taken this route when Arrival had come out (if Tower Records was getting into the "Music biz" so to speak,) it would've gotten the same success with the same packages. However, sure, the vocalist has to sound good, and Perry sound's good...at least good enough on a Journey album. But, it really isn't so much about this particular line up, but about how it gets promoted. People would like to think it's all because of Steve Perry, but I think most of us will eventually find out (possibly in the near future) that isn't the case at all.

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Postby 7 Wishes » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:51 am

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I told all of you fuckers that this would happen when the tour started. I heard they had a lot of big "surprises" in store for us. I think the MP3 player is a fucking HUGE deal. I suspect there will be more "surprises" as well. 8)


Sure puts the onus on reviewers who suggest Journey should have called it quits in 1997, or those ever-diminishing few who thought they were DOA. It's a beautiful thing.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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Postby wednesday's child » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:19 pm

Greg wrote:
wednesday's child wrote:Pigfuckers.
-wech


Wow, was that necessary? Who said that the sales of this CD had nothing to do with Arnel? Saying that the Wal-Mart package was MOSTLY responsible for Journey's sales success isn't saying Wal-Mart is the ONLY reason. Do you not understand the difference? If Journey had taken this route when Arrival had come out (if Wal-Mart was getting into the "Music biz" so to speak,) it would've gotten the same success with the same packages. However, sure, the vocalist has to sound good, and both Arnel Pineda and Steve Augeri sound good...at least good enough on a Journey album. But, it really isn't so much about this particular line up, but about how it gets promoted. People would like to think it's all because of Arnel Pineda, but I think most of us will eventually find out (possibly in the near future) that isn't the case at all.



That went over well....
My bad, and let me explain:

"Pigfuckers", is a direct translation of an expression in my Dad's dialect.
Sort of like exclaiming "Lucifer's Hind Tit" ...or "Hell's Bells"...

I wasn't calling ANYONE a pigfucker, LOL... I mean, ewwwww....
In fact, I feel the whole point to the expression is that it's so nasty/unimaginable,
it can't possibly be construed a personally-directed insult.
I've used it here before, but will avoid from hereon. My apologies.

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:43 pm

wednesday's child wrote:Pigfuckers.


It was a goat...she was old enough to consent...and there were no witnesses...so how did you find out about the sexual proclivities of TNC?
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Postby weatherman90 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:49 pm

I never expected they would be this big again. Could you imagine if this album had Perry back with the band? It would probably go 2X platinum.
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Postby journeypower » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:46 pm

It is hard to ignore that AP has also got something to do with Journey's success aside from the marketing and promotions which I find rather inadequate. the resurgence of revelation in the billboard after more than a month tells a popular appeal coming from the masses. majority of these people certainly attended the previous Journey concerts. I do believe that AP needs some major convincing to do, inorder to motivate the fans on buying the album. he must convince them and make them believe that he is the real deal. besides, who would waste their money on a crappy singer just because he happens to be Journey's frontman?

Rules of the game:

Frontman must sound great.
Frontman must blow people away.
Frontman must entertain people.
Frontman must take charge.

a band is scrutinized by their singer. if the singer is not that good, the band suffers, including their album.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:48 pm

weatherman90 wrote:I never expected they would be this big again. Could you imagine if this album had Perry back with the band? It would probably go 2X platinum.


Why does this keep coming up? If Perry were back in the band then this CD would sound NOTHING like this...AND there wouldn;t be a 2nd disc to add to the "value". I personally believe that if Perry were "back" or "still in" Journey than this CD would sound like dead air...
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:51 pm

BTW, same results still at 71.35% in.
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Postby Since 78 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:53 pm

wednesday's child wrote:
Greg wrote:
wednesday's child wrote:Pigfuckers.
-wech


Wow, was that necessary? Who said that the sales of this CD had nothing to do with Arnel? Saying that the Wal-Mart package was MOSTLY responsible for Journey's sales success isn't saying Wal-Mart is the ONLY reason. Do you not understand the difference? If Journey had taken this route when Arrival had come out (if Wal-Mart was getting into the "Music biz" so to speak,) it would've gotten the same success with the same packages. However, sure, the vocalist has to sound good, and both Arnel Pineda and Steve Augeri sound good...at least good enough on a Journey album. But, it really isn't so much about this particular line up, but about how it gets promoted. People would like to think it's all because of Arnel Pineda, but I think most of us will eventually find out (possibly in the near future) that isn't the case at all.



That went over well....
My bad, and let me explain:

"Pigfuckers", is a direct translation of an expression in my Dad's dialect.
Sort of like exclaiming "Lucifer's Hind Tit" ...or "Hell's Bells"...

I wasn't calling ANYONE a pigfucker, LOL... I mean, ewwwww....
In fact, I feel the whole point to the expression is that it's so nasty/unimaginable,
it can't possibly be construed a personally-directed insult.
I've used it here before, but will avoid from hereon. My apologies.

-wech


No!! Don't get rid of it!! I think it should be added to the MR vocabulary!! Cracks me up every time see it :lol: :lol:
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Postby wednesday's child » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:00 pm

Since 78 wrote:
wednesday's child wrote:
That went over well....
My bad, and let me explain:

"Pigfuckers", is a direct translation of an expression in my Dad's dialect.
Sort of like exclaiming "Lucifer's Hind Tit" ...or "Hell's Bells"...

I wasn't calling ANYONE a pigfucker, LOL... I mean, ewwwww....
In fact, I feel the whole point to the expression is that it's so nasty/unimaginable,
it can't possibly be construed a personally-directed insult.
I've used it here before, but will avoid from hereon. My apologies.

-wech


No!! Don't get rid of it!! I think it should be added to the MR vocabulary!! Cracks me up every time see it :lol: :lol:



You're all certifiable, you know that? :lol:

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Postby 80s man » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:35 pm

Greg wrote:
Saint John wrote:It's a lock to go Double Platinum. They're one-third of the way there already and the domestic tour just started.


Nothing's a lock nowadays.

Saint John wrote:2nd singer as far as singing on albums goes. Nobody cares about that anyway. Sane people keep it mostly about the music. And I can't help it that they're giving the fans a great deal. You're making tons of excuses but that won't change the numbers...ever.


3 lead singers that have been officially named lead singer of Journey and have performed live with the band since Perry's departure. That's funny you talking about sane people. :lol:

And you also can't deny that the package deal from Wal-Mart has helped push the product a great deal either.



Look at all the changes made to Deep Purple, Rainbow, Whitesnake - didnt hurt their sales much - Rainbow had four different singers but every line up was well received - some bettere than other sure but most of the american success came with their 3rd singer......
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Postby Eric » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:47 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
Saint John wrote:
I told all of you fuckers that this would happen when the tour started. I heard they had a lot of big "surprises" in store for us. I think the MP3 player is a fucking HUGE deal. I suspect there will be more "surprises" as well. 8)


Sure puts the onus on reviewers who suggest Journey should have called it quits in 1997, or those ever-diminishing few who thought they were DOA. It's a beautiful thing.


Yeah, its kinda an "AH-HA" kinda summer for Journey and its fans.....
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Postby Greg » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:10 am

I was thinking about this debate last night and I suppose in some respects, I might have misspoke. I do, for the record, think a band's success largely falls on who the lead singer is and how well he/she performs. However, if you look at this in regards to marketing, it has more to do with how you are going to get the music out to the general public and how to get them to buy it. Back in the day, these bands sold albums because of their talent. Obviously they are still extremely talented, but are not selling albums like they did in the 80's. In this day and age of the music business, it's all about marketing and not so much about the music itself. If that wasn't true, you'd still have these bands being played on the radio every hour on the hour. Not to put down any of the new artists popular today, but there are some that leave me scratching my head wondering how they got a record deal.

For these classic rock bands, it's mostly about nostalgia. Actually, look at the entertainment business in general. It is all about nostalgia. Look at the movies that are being made. Batman, Fantastic Four, Get Smart? We're bringing back ideas of the old to entertain a new generation. Same thing is happening with the music business now. Like the movie business, to bring back an old idea (ie Journey, Heart, The Eagles) you have to market it with a bit more of a flashy wrapper. Get Journey music out to the masses, but in a way where they can't refuse the deal. Voila - the package deal. Voila - the Zune deal. It's worked for the Eagles, REO Speedwagon, Journey, and will probably work for AC/DC when they release their new album. What is selling is the band's name and the package. Yes, the music still has to be good to sell, but Journey's music has always been good. In this music business, it's about how the music is being marketed and of course sex appeal. Well, like it or not, these guys probably won't have sex appeal that applies to the majority of music buyers (young people.) So, let's not worry about sex appeal. Let's worry about how to market the music so that people can't resist buying it. Sorry, but the music alone is not merit enough for these bands. That's why you're seeing these marketing strategies to get the initial push out to the audience.

Of course, now, once the large amount of the audience has the new CD, whether if they bought it to get the Zune player or to get the other package, it comes down to see if the audience likes the new stuff and the new line up. If they do, then Journey and the other classic rock bands who are following the same formula should have more success pushing out their new albums (the next album) based on their own merit and not because of a package deal. You can only go to that well so many times unless there are other outlandish ideas that keep things interesting.

I know Journey had the video game in the 80's, but as far as I know, it was never sold in a package deal with Escape (was it?) Actually, I don't remember any weird package deals with any of Journey's albums. I just remember going to the record store and seeing the album on the shelf. If people bought it, they bought it. If they didn't, then it didn't sell. I'm not talking about TV shows or live concerts. I'm talking about POS (point of sales.) When it got to that point, you bought the album by itself - NOT packaged up with something else that would make it a worthwhile purchase if the album "stunk it up". That is really all I'm saying. Journey, like the rest of the classic acts, needs genius marketing strategies to get their music out. While this day and age is going through a bit of nostalgia craze, these bands still cannot sell their albums on those albums' merits alone. They need a bit of help. Doesn't mean they are not putting out a good product (good music,) just means they need some help to get the general public to notice it again.

In regards to Steve Perry, I think he has enough of a recognizable name where his name on the product would've pushed sales a bit more. I realize people here and especially on the official boards get very sensitive when people like me talk about why we think the album is selling well. But most of us fans loved Journey with Steve Augeri and were quite upset when the albums didn't do well. The music was very good and definitely good enough to have done just as well as what Revelation is doing now. I also realize people will get very upset that I am not giving Arnel Pineda all the credit, especially the new Filipino fans. But, sorry, it really isn't all about him joining the band. He's a complete unknown. It isn't completely NOT about him. Pineda sings quite well and again, you do still have to put out good music. However, my biggest point is, it's all about marketing for these older acts, and they have finally found something that is going to work for them. At least initially.
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Postby spellbinder » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:43 am

wednesday's child wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
wednesday's child wrote:
That went over well....
My bad, and let me explain:

"Pigfuckers", is a direct translation of an expression in my Dad's dialect.
Sort of like exclaiming "Lucifer's Hind Tit" ...or "Hell's Bells"...

I wasn't calling ANYONE a pigfucker, LOL... I mean, ewwwww....
In fact, I feel the whole point to the expression is that it's so nasty/unimaginable,
it can't possibly be construed a personally-directed insult.
I've used it here before, but will avoid from hereon. My apologies.

-wech


No!! Don't get rid of it!! I think it should be added to the MR vocabulary!! Cracks me up every time see it :lol: :lol:



You're all certifiable, you know that? :lol:

-wech


Wech, you want me to tell a story about a pigfucker,
Or, you'll just pass on the oppurtunity? :wink:
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Postby aardivark » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:02 am

spellbinder wrote:
wednesday's child wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
wednesday's child wrote:
That went over well....
My bad, and let me explain:

"Pigfuckers", is a direct translation of an expression in my Dad's dialect.
Sort of like exclaiming "Lucifer's Hind Tit" ...or "Hell's Bells"...

I wasn't calling ANYONE a pigfucker, LOL... I mean, ewwwww....
In fact, I feel the whole point to the expression is that it's so nasty/unimaginable,
it can't possibly be construed a personally-directed insult.
I've used it here before, but will avoid from hereon. My apologies.

-wech


No!! Don't get rid of it!! I think it should be added to the MR vocabulary!! Cracks me up every time see it :lol: :lol:



You're all certifiable, you know that? :lol:

-wech


Wech, you want me to tell a story about a pigfucker,
Or, you'll just pass on the oppurtunity? :wink:


You island people just can't help wanking off on weird gross-out stuff, can you?

:cry: :( :shock: 8) :) :D :lol: . . . :wink:
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Postby separate_wayz » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:54 am

26,931 .... an increase of 14% from last week ..... :shock:

Running total = 670,234 CDs sold (at 2x per album) .....

This means Journey only has to sell 13,740 albums per week for the rest of the U.S. tour for the album to go platinum ..... The lowest-selling week was last week, with 23,642. And the Journey-branded mp3 players just went on sale today ......
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Postby Greg » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:02 am

wednesday's child wrote:
That went over well....
My bad, and let me explain:

"Pigfuckers", is a direct translation of an expression in my Dad's dialect.
Sort of like exclaiming "Lucifer's Hind Tit" ...or "Hell's Bells"...

I wasn't calling ANYONE a pigfucker, LOL... I mean, ewwwww....
In fact, I feel the whole point to the expression is that it's so nasty/unimaginable,
it can't possibly be construed a personally-directed insult.
I've used it here before, but will avoid from hereon. My apologies.

-wech


I understand now. I thought you were calling me a pigfucker and even though there probably are peeps around my area that partake in that activity, I don't even consume bacon or sausage! :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:04 am

separate_wayz wrote:26,931 .... an increase of 14% from last week ..... :shock:

Running total = 670,234 CDs sold (at 2x per album) .....

This means Journey only has to sell 13,740 albums per week for the rest of the U.S. tour for the album to go platinum ..... The lowest-selling week was last week, with 23,642. And the Journey-branded mp3 players just went on sale today ......


Will you be getting one? :wink:
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Postby yulog » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:05 am

wednesday's child wrote:Eh???

When Gold status was imminent, it was discredited as just "all of them fucking Filipinos" buying for the Flag.
Now that Gold status is done and buried ... it can't possibly have had anything to do with Arnel???
Like, what the fuck....

The album is selling well for many reasons. Value for money, media buzz, the supporting tour,
and hey... maybe --just maybe-- Andrew's Revelation review wasn't totally full of shit?
Maybe Andrew actually knows a little something about what good melodic rock is?
Maybe ....gasp... even the buying public does too?


Pigfuckers.
-wech


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Postby epresley » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:22 am

separate_wayz wrote:26,931 .... an increase of 14% from last week ..... :shock:

Running total = 670,234 CDs sold (at 2x per album) .....

This means Journey only has to sell 13,740 albums per week for the rest of the U.S. tour for the album to go platinum ..... The lowest-selling week was last week, with 23,642. And the Journey-branded mp3 players just went on sale today ......


Man, that is EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Tito » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:33 am

We take dat one.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:39 am

separate_wayz wrote: And the Journey-branded mp3 players just went on sale today ......


So far I haven't heard of ANYONE finding it yet. The official site has a thread of many people calling many stores and not finding it in stock...
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