SONY/PERRY'S REVELATION RETALIATION?

by **Badcotune** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:43 pm

Didn't see this posted yet, apologies if it has been, BUT...

...was at BEST BUY today and guess what I saw? A Greatest Hits DVD and CD "fan" package with a BIG sticker that read: "Special CD AND DVD package featuring THE ORIGINAL MASTER RECORDINGS from THE ORIGINAL BAND." All for 7.99, and guess what the release date was? June 3rd.

I raised an eyebrow and thought it was reeeeal interesting timing.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp ... id=1864050

Heres an image w/the sticker:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Journey-Greatest-Hi ... dZViewItem

Good for Journey all around, and yes, I'd wager very healthily that Perry is very aware of the band's current spark, and you can bet this was his initiative.

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by **Since 78** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:47 pm

Badcotune wrote:Didn't see this posted yet, apologies if it has been, BUT...

...was at BEST BUY today and guess what I saw? A Greatest Hits DVD and CD package with a BIG sticker that read: "Special CD AND DVD package featuring THE ORIGINAL MASTER RECORDINGS from THE ORIGINAL BAND."

I raised an eyebrow and thought it was reeeeal interesting timing.

Good for Journey all around, and yes, I'd wager very heallthily that Perry is very aware of the band's current spark, and you can bet this was his initiative.

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Nonsense!! Perry pays no attention to what Journey does :wink:

by **stevew2** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:49 pm

they always do that, both sides , then crap shit about each other and sell Cds Thats what they do

by **Don** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:51 pm

Sony's just trying to move stock since they're not getting anything from the new album. Neal, Cain and Perry all make out on this deal as long as Sony hasn't bought them out for transfer of royalty rights.

by **WalrusOct9** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:16 pm

I seriously doubt Perry had anything to do with this.

It's not a new product, simply taking two items and selling them together, no different than those "two-fer" DVD releases of movies that they package together. I'm sure the timing worked out for Sony with the new record and tour, but really, it's just another (lame) attempt to sell the same shit to people who've already bought it a billion times, while wondering why the CD is dying.

by **cyndy!** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:55 pm

WalrusOct9 wrote:I seriously doubt Perry had anything to do with this.

It's not a new product, simply taking two items and selling them together, no different than those "two-fer" DVD releases of movies that they package together. I'm sure the timing worked out for Sony with the new record and tour, but really, it's just another (lame) attempt to sell the same shit to people who've already bought it a billion times, while wondering why the CD is dying.

yes, i believe this is the case. it's much more exciting if we twist this into a comic book story of good vs evil though, huh? :twisted:

by **stevew2** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:21 pm

Cd pimps thats all "whats up mayne"

by **Perrydise** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:32 pm

It's called "business".

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:37 pm

Sony does stuff like this all the time and not just with Journey. This is not uncommon at all, to repackage/remarket/redistribute every few years. THat's all they're doing.

I know how much you guys love to paint Steve Perry with dollar signs in his eyes, twiddling the end of his pencil thin handlebar mustache as he ties Journey to the train tracks, but come on. I think that's kind of a stretch. Sony isn't doing anything different that they, or any other record/video company, usually do.

If Sony is retaliating to the Walmart thing, though, is it really that surprising?
Like perrydise said,its called business.
Sony has the advantage of being able to push the real deal, not some rerecorded faux-Journey stuff.
Why shouldn't they capitalize?

by **Badcotune** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:18 pm

cyndy! wrote: it's much more exciting if we twist this into a comic book story of good vs evil though, huh?

Oh, give me a break! :roll:

If you can't see the correlation between this exclusive "fan pack" of a dvd/cd of greatest hits, released on the same day as another highly publicized re-recorded dvd/cd package of the same-- then enjoy the rose colored glasses.

Yes, it's business. That fact was somehow lost on me.

And while he may not be directly "involved", anyone who thinks Perry doesn't care that his legacy of songs were re-recorded and that the package is actually SELLING is also enjoying those rose colored glasses. It would understandably upset any rational human being in the same position.

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by **journeypower** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:26 pm

It's a SONY !!! :lol:

by **Loneman1** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:59 pm

journeypower wrote:It's a SONY !!!

Yup. Perry has nothing to do with this. This is all Sony greed.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:12 pm

Badcotune wrote:
cyndy! wrote: it's much more exciting if we twist this into a comic book story of good vs evil though, huh?

Oh, give me a break!

If you can't see the correlation between this exclusive "fan pack" of a dvd/cd of greatest hits, released on the same day as another highly publicized re-recorded dvd/cd package of the same-- then enjoy the rose colored glasses.

Yes, it's business. That fact was somehow lost on me.

And while he may not be directly "involved", anyone who thinks Perry doesn't care that his legacy of songs were re-recorded and that the package is actually SELLING is also enjoying those rose colored glasses. It would understandably upset any rational human being in the same position.

If the release date was in early June, then it was released before anyone could have known what Revelation would sell. Its not about "Steve is mad and getting revenge". My but you people love to look for drama. How he feels about it has nothig to do with Sony's marketing plan.

Its Sony and its business. Plain and simple. Sony holds the old catalog and why SHOULDN'T they strike while the iron is hot? If the Journey name is buzzing, of course they see an opportunity to push their units just as they would with any other band/music in their arsenal.

by **janus65** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:58 pm

I believe that any original material that is released/repackaged, Perry is aware and so with Schon and Cain. But i give the benefit of the doubt that Perry initiated this nor approved in retaliation, probably Sony just did their thing to protect the company's interest.[/i]

by **Badcotune** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:13 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

If the release date was in early June, then it was released before anyone could have known what Revelation would sell. Its not about "Steve is mad and getting revenge". My but you people love to look for drama. How he feels about it has nothig to do with Sony's marketing plan.

Its Sony and its business. Plain and simple. Sony holds the old catalog and why SHOULDN'T they strike while the iron is hot? If the Journey name is buzzing, of course they see an opportunity to push their units just as they would with any other band/music in their arsenal.

I never thought it was a question that it's business, and I never said it was in response to sales. Please pay attention. I also never said anyone was "getting revenge" so please don't put words in my post. But if you don't think Sony is smarting from the way the band circumvented them on the Walmart exclusive? I disagree with you.

And if you don't think this exclusive Best Buy package is a calculated, date-specific counter response to the exclusive Wal-Mart package, and that Perry wasn't part of that process? Then cool. We disagree.

And if you don't think it stings the ego of Steve Perry to see that the new re-recorded hits are seeing brisk sales, despite the fact that he still gets a check from it? Super cool. We still disagree.

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by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:30 pm

Badcotune wrote:But if you don't think Sony is smarting from the way the band circumvented them on the Walmart exclusive? I disagree with you.

No I don't think Sony is smarting from that. From what? SONY holds the golden egg here. Journey released one album through one distributor. Sony holds the keys to the catalog that people remember, grew up on and care about, and Sony can push their wares in more than ONE store. They're not smarting from the Walmart deal. Please.

Did they calculate the timing? Yeah. Probably. So what? Business.
I don't doubt they'd do the exact same with ANY band/material in their vaults if it was going to make money.

by **Saint John** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:41 pm

Revelation seems to have sparked the entire catalog and renewed interest in Journey. And if Sony and Perry decided to relaunch a package in "retaliation" who gives a shit? For once I wasn't bothered by these antics because Revelation was a Wal Mart exclusive and they weren't competing "side by side." I think everybody is a winner in this instance...especially Schon, Cain and Valory, who are on both packages. And Perry to a degree since he's making bank for having writing credits on most of the re-records. I'm really starting to believe that Revelation has a shot at ultimately moving 1.5 million units and being certified Triple Platinum. :shock:

Just a number I've heard tossed around. :twisted:

by **Badcotune** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:29 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

SONY holds the golden egg here. Journey released one album through one distributor. Sony holds the keys to the catalog that people remember, grew up on and care about, and Sony can push their wares in more than ONE store. They're not smarting from the Walmart deal. Please.

Here's a newsflash for you, maybe you've missed it: All of the record companies are smarting from what's happening in music right now. These companies are losing money left and right because of people NOT buying cd's anymore. Do you disagree with this?

An evergreen band re-records their greatest hits to circumvent paying Sony royalties. And you think they're not smarting from that? Wow. Let me know when you're back from Oz, and we'll discuss this some more.

bluejeangirl76 wrote: Business.

Could you please type "Business" a few more times? I missed it the first 8. I get it. I don't dispute it. Come up with another angle.

P.s. And anyone who knows the context of that Cain shot from BTM, and has a pulse, would agree that your use of it as a joke is in extremely poor taste. And you didn't even spell "desire" right in your attempt at inappropriate humor. Par for the course.

by **Badcotune** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:34 pm

Saint John wrote: And if Sony and Perry decided to relaunch a package in "retaliation" who gives a shit?

Just passing along the info sir. Whether or not you give any fecal matter is entirely up to you.

by **Saint John** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:38 pm

Badcotune wrote:
Saint John wrote: And if Sony and Perry decided to relaunch a package in "retaliation" who gives a shit?

Just passing along the info sir. Whether or not you give any fecal matter is entirely up to you.

I meant that rhetorically. Apologies if that seemed aimed at you!

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:40 pm

Shit, I'll prolly buy it as I don't have the GH on cd and the remaster adds WYLAW.

I'll trade in my old GH dvd...

by **Deb** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:48 pm

janus65 wrote:I believe that any original material that is released/repackaged, Perry is aware and so with Schon and Cain. But i give the benefit of the doubt that Perry initiated this nor approved in retaliation, probably Sony just did their thing to protect the company's interest.[/i]

Really? You don't believe Perry is the devil incarnate? :shock:

Come on, you just know his life revolves around launching any and all revenge moves on what is now known as Journey. :lol:

by **WIX** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:50 pm

we will know when it is a retaliation.

when we see Oh Sherry re released as a regae tune with special packaging, re recorded by the original artist.

we will then know Steve means business!!!!

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:51 pm

Badcotune wrote:P.s. And anyone who knows the context of that Cain shot from BTM, and has a pulse, would agree that your use of it as a joke is in extremely poor taste. And you didn't even spell "desire" right in your attempt at inappropriate humor. Par for the course.

Ok so you're unhappy with what I had to say about Sony/Perry/etc. so you're going to attack a lame little picture that's been up for well over a week already? Give me a break. I NEVER made fun of the context behind that, so piss off.

And PARDON me for mistyping *A* word. :roll:

I'll be sure to fix it immediately so you can move on to something else lame to bitch about.

by **cyndy!** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:53 pm

Badcotune wrote:I never thought it was a question that it's business, and I never said it was in response to sales. Please pay attention. I also never said anyone was "getting revenge" so please don't put words in my post. But if you don't think Sony is smarting from the way the band circumvented them on the Walmart exclusive? I disagree with you.

i don't think anyone is putting words in your post. we're paying attention & reading your subject line, which has the word RETALIATION in it.

by **Rhiannon** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:56 pm

cyndy! wrote:
Badcotune wrote:I never thought it was a question that it's business, and I never said it was in response to sales. Please pay attention. I also never said anyone was "getting revenge" so please don't put words in my post. But if you don't think Sony is smarting from the way the band circumvented them on the Walmart exclusive? I disagree with you.

i don't think anyone is putting words in your post. we're paying attention & reading your subject line, which has the word RETALIATION in it.

Professor Poon strikes again. :lol:

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:57 pm

Saint John wrote:For once I wasn't bothered by these antics because Revelation was a Wal Mart exclusive and they weren't competing "side by side." I think everybody is a winner in this instance...especially Schon, Cain and Valory, who are on both packages.

That was just the point I was making (almost :lol:

)... what Sony does and what Walmart is doing have nothing to do with each other. Revelation and this GH thing aren't being sold in the same places and never will be. So what's the difference.

And what Sony is doing is just repackaging what's already been on the market for YEARS. Its not a new thing.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:59 pm

cyndy! wrote:
Badcotune wrote:I never thought it was a question that it's business, and I never said it was in response to sales. Please pay attention. I also never said anyone was "getting revenge" so please don't put words in my post. But if you don't think Sony is smarting from the way the band circumvented them on the Walmart exclusive? I disagree with you.

i don't think anyone is putting words in your post. we're paying attention & reading your subject line, which has the word RETALIATION in it.

Thank you.
All I did was read between the lines and put that bullshit into MY OWN words.

Let's see... did I not see a thread here about Greatest Hits reaching 15x Platinum?
And Sony is "smarting"? Or "retaliating"? Um. No.

by **WIX** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:00 am

actually this could go both ways respectfully. I like to look at the whole spectrum...

Retaliation is a type of Noodle used in many italian dishes, he simply could have been saying do not put retaliation noodles in my mouth??

Hey, just trying to be a peace maker here..... carry on.

by **Memorex** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:10 am

How is Sony "Smarting"? I don't care for Sony, but they decided that it was not in their best interests to carry on with Journey. Journey reached the same conclusion. At the prices wal-mart is selling the package for, and the % being given to the band, and the money it would have cost them for recording and promotion, I seriously doubt it means anything to Sony. Half a million to them is like a dollar to me and you.

However, if you are a suit in Sony's Legacy division, and you went to school, and you want to keep your job, you look for ways to maximize your artist's catalog. Anytime an artist comes out with a new album, especially an artist with a rich catalog, those past discs sell. And that's with no promotion or price breaks. If you are that Sony suit, and you don't understand the market and put out product accordingly, you're an idiot.

And if you are Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain, I assure you that you sit down with management prior to an album release and look for ways to sell back product at the same time as your new stuff. I would bet more money that Irving had conversations with Sony than any Steve Perry involvement.

Business 101.

I'm curious how Steve Perry would get revenge on them by putting more money in their pocket anyway. I sure wish Steve perry hated me and would get revenge on me. I'd be rich!

MR

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