Classic Rock Radio switching out JOURNEY GH for NEW !

[Greg]

I can't believe that ANY Program Director in America would EVER play re-records for ANY band. Listen, I like Arnel, a lot. The fucking dude can sing his ass off. That said, his re-records are simply NOT better than the originals, period, end of story. We have some delusional yahoos on message boards who think Arnel is Perry, resurrected He isn't! He's an immensely talented vocalist who does a very good job, singing the Journey classics.

I actually have a lot of respect for Arnel's talent. The guy is singing songs, in a language that isn't even his own, and I'm not sure many of us can appreciate just how arduous of a task that is. I took Spanish for 4 freakin' years in high school, and came out of it with "No Habla Espanol"

Someone needs to kick these Program Directors in their collective ass, and remind them of just what "classic rock" is! There is nothing "classic" about something that was recorded 17 minutes ago


John from Boston

Exactly! I think AP has an amazing voice, and, I like the NEW songs, but replacing the original Classics is absurd! If I hear a re-record (so far, I've only heard "After All These Years" on KOST soft rock once) I am definitely gonna call that station and give my 2 cents! C'mon, WTH? Why is this necessary?

99% of the listeners will not notice the difference. You know that is the truth. Let's be real. They are listening to the song and singing along.

I would know the difference right off the bat, and that's all that matters to me.

your are the 1% .

Then the rest of the 99% must be deaf, dumb, and blind.

[annie89509]

:shock:
Seriously, today I was listening to 96.9 The Eagle in Sacramento and they played an Arnel Version and just called it "JOURNEY" with no addendum during the song ID.
Believe me , I know the difference between an Original Version and an Arnel Version, and it was spooky how close it was.
Anyone else hear a new version played on radio?

Care to share which song it was ?

Stone in Love

Okay then. You clearly have never heard the original Stone In Love. Let me help you.

This version mixes the live version with the album version.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0EfL-iMLJv8&feature=related

That live versions of SIL & Escape are out of this world. Can't imagine ANYONE can sing those songs better.

[annie89509]

I've heard DSB on the radio FIVE times today (twice on my lunch!). Is that normal? Yeesh... all Beaked versions though.

Sirius 15 plays (Beaked) Journey at least every 2 hours give or take.
Upwards of 8-10 times a day... and they land in the "twofer" lunch hour at least twice a week.

The other day the twofer was Separate Ways and Walks Like A Lady ( ).

I've never ever heard anything from Revelation any station, and certainly not any of those retreads.

Ditto here in Reno, Nevada.

[annie89509]

So why not just let the music move you? Why think (and worry) about whether a particular song is SP or AP? And if you have to THINK about it, doesn't that say something about how similar some of the originals and re-records actually are?

It does, and that's why I said this:

Before I realized what the song was, my first thought was "hey, that kinda sounds like Steve Perry"...

If you view the originals (and SP's tenure with Journey) as a pseudo-religious experience, then anything other than that strikes you as blasphemy .......

I do, and so do many others. That's why this music has stood the test of time. So yourself. Perhaps if you can let the legacy go so easily, it was never about the music for you...

They don't call me a LOON for nuttin'! I wear it as a badge of honor.

Amen, donnap .

[separate_wayz]

So why not just let the music move you? Why think (and worry) about whether a particular song is SP or AP? And if you have to THINK about it, doesn't that say something about how similar some of the originals and re-records actually are?

It does, and that's why I said this:

Before I realized what the song was, my first thought was "hey, that kinda sounds like Steve Perry"...

If you view the originals (and SP's tenure with Journey) as a pseudo-religious experience, then anything other than that strikes you as blasphemy .......

I do, and so do many others. That's why this music has stood the test of time. So yourself. Perhaps if you can let the legacy go so easily, it was never about the music for you...

They don't call me a LOON for nuttin'! I wear it as a badge of honor.

Amen, donnap .

Hey, you can be a Loon. You can be goo-goo over Augeri, or JSS, or Pineda. I like all four of 'em. I just think when you make ANYTHING into a pseudo-religious experience (as some are wont to do), you're setting yourself up for irrational frustration and disappointment, and closing yourself off to new, enjoyable experiences.

As they said on "The Sopranos", there's a difference between the sacred and the propane.

[wednesday's child]

I just don't get the rationale behind playing retreads on a program that (partly) plays to the memory-lane crowd.
I don't quite see the point to playing them in other venues, when the originals are already there.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of the retreads as recordings in their own right.

-wech

[Since 78]

I burned a Cd for my girlfriend who is a very casual Journey fan. I put a good mix of songs from Infinity to Revelation. The only re-recorded song I put on was OTY because to me this is the only song that I have a hard time telling the difference on. I was surprised when it came on and she said is that the new singer? Point is that even a casual fan can tell the difference so why sweat it. The "Legacy" isn't going anywhere.

[donnaplease]

I just don't get the rationale behind playing retreads on a program that (partly) plays to the memory-lane crowd.
I don't quite see the point to playing them in other venues, when the originals are already there.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of the retreads as recordings in their own right.

-wech

True dat.

[donnaplease]

Hey, you can be a Loon. You can be goo-goo over Augeri, or JSS, or Pineda. I like all four of 'em. I just think when you make ANYTHING into a pseudo-religious experience (as some are wont to do), you're setting yourself up for irrational frustration and disappointment, and closing yourself off to new, enjoyable experiences.

Well, I've been frustrated and disappointed in this band, for sure. But I don't think it's irrational. I see it as having a standard of what is acceptable, and what is not. They have a right to do whatever they choose to do, and I have a right to not like it. I'm sure they lose no sleep over my opinions, but I'm still gonna express them.

My personal dilemma is that I'm such a Loon that I can't separate my frustrations of current/recent events from the 'classic' Journey stuff, so I can't write them off totally.

[Don]

Hey, you can be a Loon. You can be goo-goo over Augeri, or JSS, or Pineda. I like all four of 'em. I just think when you make ANYTHING into a pseudo-religious experience (as some are wont to do), you're setting yourself up for irrational frustration and disappointment, and closing yourself off to new, enjoyable experiences.

Well, I've been frustrated and disappointed in this band, for sure. But I don't think it's irrational. I see it as having a standard of what is acceptable, and what is not. They have a right to do whatever they choose to do, and I have a right to not like it. I'm sure they lose no sleep over my opinions, but I'm still gonna express them.

My personal dilemma is that I'm such a Loon that I can't separate my frustrations of current/recent events from the 'classic' Journey stuff, so I can't write them off totally.

I have that dilemma with Little River Band. I feel an alliance with BSG (Birtes, Shorrock, Goble) because they wrote or sang 90% or more of the band's hits. I like Wayne Nelson (Night Owl) who is in the current lineup but it's strange to hear other people singing Cool change, Reminscing, etc. I'll try their new stuff but I'll stick with the originals on the classics.

[RobbieG]

I can't believe that ANY Program Director in America would EVER play re-records for ANY band. Listen, I like Arnel, a lot. The fucking dude can sing his ass off. That said, his re-records are simply NOT better than the originals, period, end of story. We have some delusional yahoos on message boards who think Arnel is Perry, resurrected He isn't! He's an immensely talented vocalist who does a very good job, singing the Journey classics.

I actually have a lot of respect for Arnel's talent. The guy is singing songs, in a language that isn't even his own, and I'm not sure many of us can appreciate just how arduous of a task that is. I took Spanish for 4 freakin' years in high school, and came out of it with "No Habla Espanol"

Someone needs to kick these Program Directors in their collective ass, and remind them of just what "classic rock" is! There is nothing "classic" about something that was recorded 17 minutes ago


John from Boston

Exactly! I think AP has an amazing voice, and, I like the NEW songs, but replacing the original Classics is absurd! If I hear a re-record (so far, I've only heard "After All These Years" on KOST soft rock once) I am definitely gonna call that station and give my 2 cents! C'mon, WTH? Why is this necessary?

99% of the listeners will not notice the difference. You know that is the truth. Let's be real. They are listening to the song and singing along.

I would know the difference right off the bat, and that's all that matters to me.

your are the 1% .

Then the rest of the 99% must be deaf, dumb, and blind.

No they are not. They just love listening to the music. All these people accepted Augeri and now Pineda as Journey voice. They also know Perry is the Journey icon.

[donnaplease]

No they are not. They just love listening to the music. All these people accepted Augeri and now Pineda as Journey voice. They also know Perry is the Journey icon.

That's the thing, Robbie. All these people didn't accept Augeri, JSS, or Pineda. Each time a new singer has come aboard, there have been droves of fans who have thrown up their hands in disgust. There were several who gave up when SA came aboard, only to re-discover them with JSS, because it seemed that they weren't trying to duplicate the magic that SP brought to the band.

And to say that Perry is the Journey icon, then to say it's okay to re-record his songs and play them as if they are the originals... there's a contradiction there that some of have a problem with. (not you personally, just the concept).

[RobbieG]

No they are not. They just love listening to the music. All these people accepted Augeri and now Pineda as Journey voice. They also know Perry is the Journey icon.

That's the thing, Robbie. All these people didn't accept Augeri, JSS, or Pineda. Each time a new singer has come aboard, there have been droves of fans who have thrown up their hands in disgust. There were several who gave up when SA came aboard, only to re-discover them with JSS, because it seemed that they weren't trying to duplicate the magic that SP brought to the band.

And to say that Perry is the Journey icon, then to say it's okay to re-record his songs and play them as if they are the originals... there's a contradiction there that some of have a problem with. (not you personally, just the concept).

Donna I believe people did accept Augeri and now Pineda because of the concert attendance, Which fans have drove thrown up their hands in disgust the so called 40 to 50 fans on these forums? I remember hearing a lot of people disliking JSS as the singer of Journey during the def leppard tour. They said it was not the Journey sound. The re-records are not exactly like the originals if you listen to them. No one will ever disrespect the perry years,

[donnaplease]

No they are not. They just love listening to the music. All these people accepted Augeri and now Pineda as Journey voice. They also know Perry is the Journey icon.

That's the thing, Robbie. All these people didn't accept Augeri, JSS, or Pineda. Each time a new singer has come aboard, there have been droves of fans who have thrown up their hands in disgust. There were several who gave up when SA came aboard, only to re-discover them with JSS, because it seemed that they weren't trying to duplicate the magic that SP brought to the band.

And to say that Perry is the Journey icon, then to say it's okay to re-record his songs and play them as if they are the originals... there's a contradiction there that some of have a problem with. (not you personally, just the concept).

Donna I believe people did accept Augeri and now Pineda because of the concert attendance, Which fans have drove thrown up their hands in disgust the so called 40 to 50 fans on these forums? I remember hearing a lot of people disliking JSS as the singer of Journey during the def leppard tour. They said it was not the Journey sound. The re-records are not exactly like the originals if you listen to them. No one will ever disrespect the perry years,

Some did, some didn't. You can't necessarily take concert attendance as a true account, because I've read over my time here and elsewhere that there are many people who weren't Journey fans before Steve Augeri took over, or JSS, or even Arnel. For example, it is my understanding that there is a large filipino attendance at shows now, that weren't present before. If you've not been a lurker, and truly just joined here in September, you've missed out on a LOT of history here. I've only been a member here since a year before you, and you wouldn't believe the stuff I've seen, heard and read.

Many people did not like JSS as singer for Journey, and from what I could tell, most of those were the SA fans who felt betrayed by the band. There are JSS fans feeling a similar thing, and likewise Steve Perry fans who were outraged that TPTB would ever consider moving forward without him. And there are a whole lot that have just moved along with each incarnation.

As for no one disrespecting the Perry years... that's baloney and you know it. It has happened a lot.

[Greg]

No they are not. They just love listening to the music. All these people accepted Augeri and now Pineda as Journey voice. They also know Perry is the Journey icon.

That's the thing, Robbie. All these people didn't accept Augeri, JSS, or Pineda. Each time a new singer has come aboard, there have been droves of fans who have thrown up their hands in disgust. There were several who gave up when SA came aboard, only to re-discover them with JSS, because it seemed that they weren't trying to duplicate the magic that SP brought to the band.

And to say that Perry is the Journey icon, then to say it's okay to re-record his songs and play them as if they are the originals... there's a contradiction there that some of have a problem with. (not you personally, just the concept).

Donna I believe people did accept Augeri and now Pineda because of the concert attendance, Which fans have drove thrown up their hands in disgust the so called 40 to 50 fans on these forums? I remember hearing a lot of people disliking JSS as the singer of Journey during the def leppard tour. They said it was not the Journey sound. The re-records are not exactly like the originals if you listen to them. No one will ever disrespect the perry years,

Some did, some didn't. You can't necessarily take concert attendance as a true account, because I've read over my time here and elsewhere that there are many people who weren't Journey fans before Steve Augeri took over, or JSS, or even Arnel. For example, it is my understanding that there is a large filipino attendance at shows now, that weren't present before. If you've not been a lurker, and truly just joined here in September, you've missed out on a LOT of history here. I've only been a member here since a year before you, and you wouldn't believe the stuff I've seen, heard and read.

Many people did not like JSS as singer for Journey, and from what I could tell, most of those were the SA fans who felt betrayed by the band. There are JSS fans feeling a similar thing, and likewise Steve Perry fans who were outraged that TPTB would ever consider moving forward without him. And there are a whole lot that have just moved along with each incarnation.

As for no one disrespecting the Perry years... that's baloney and you know it. It has happened a lot.

Exactly right Donna! Those who have only been here a short while or have only become Journey fans since Arnel joined the band really have no idea of the history. Sure, they might have did some research on the band, but unless you've been here through all the crap that has went on with the band, you have no idea. I've been a part of the online Journey community since around 1996-97 and probably wouldn't know half the stuff that has went on with this band if I hadn't joined in the early going.

[ttango1]

What can 1 as a fan do about it?

I've been a part of the online Journey community since around 1996-97 and probably wouldn't know half the stuff that has went on with this band if I hadn't joined in the early going.

People screamed and attacked multiple websites because, for whatever reason, they didn't like AP. But the band just soldiered on. They took a company stance and rolled with to more records sold than most haters thought and to sellout crowds that the haters thought were not possible.

This current incarnation, at least musically, pays respect to the past but moves towards a new future with hope. That means, me a Journey fan since 1978... will get to continue hearing this awesome band make beautiful music.

It is possible to like a band's new lead without hating on the old leads. I do it all the time and well... it doesn't bug me at all.

[AlienC]

With all due respect, you are at the mercy of your corporate masters like everyone else. You can no sooner go on the air and say "anything you want" anymore than I can go on the internet and post about my employers without consequence. Any thoughts you have of "autonomy" as it relates to your job are an illusion designed to keep you in line. If your between song utterances disturb a big enough client, you'll know about it, and you'll modify your approach or look for a new job, same as anyone else. There is no such thing as "job security " anymore, save some union / organized labor holdovers.
You say you can play / say what you want, yet if market demands want that which you consider unholy played, you'll be gritting your teeth and playing it, with all your bylines and disclaimers muttered under your breath as bumpers.

Lastly, Why is the sex of your "Boss" important? I'm assuming this is your PD's boss and thus is the one I referrred to as being the one making such unholy demands on you? Is your intent to infer that a woman would have more integrity in this situation?

Listen Sparky, when you work for a radio station and have your own show, get back to me on what you think you know about radio, kay?

Aww Sweetie, now is that anyway for a nice little gal like you to talk? </ sexist jerk>
You ignore the question with a catty retort.
Wow, I guess the truth struck a nerve for you to be so dismissive.
You know you play stuff all the time you don't necessarily like and that you answer to a higher authority. To say otherwise ignores what happened to Don Imus and proves you disingenuous.
And that's me accepting you on your insinuation that you have a radio show and work for a radio station, which are not necessarily the same thing.

.

[Luvsaugeri]

I just noticed on Neal's myspace site he has swapped out the originals in favor of the AP version of Separate Ways and Wheel in the Sky.

[bluejeangirl76]

I just noticed on Neal's myspace site he has swapped out the originals in favor of the AP version of Separate Ways and Wheel in the Sky.

Shocking.
Coming as this does from Neal "Fuck Him" Schon, I can't say as it surprises me. Granted, he's trying to sell records here, i know that, but has he no respect for his OWN career?

Never should have been redone. Have I said that yet today?

[Michigan Girl]

I just noticed on Neal's myspace site he has swapped out the originals in favor of the AP version of Separate Ways and Wheel in the Sky.

Shocking.
Coming as this does from Neal "Fuck Him" Schon, I can't say as it surprises me. Granted, he's trying to sell records here, i know that, but has he no respect for his OWN career?

Never should have been redone. Have I said that yet today?

I don't believe I've agreed with you yet today....+1!!

[finalfight]

I just noticed on Neal's myspace site he has swapped out the originals in favor of the AP version of Separate Ways and Wheel in the Sky.

Well it does represent Schon's recent activity so fair play to him.

[Liam]

That's just fucking sinful. Play the new material, fine...but play the re-records and act like Arnel was there the entire time...Fuck that. The MAIN reason I was against doing the re-records in the first place. It was made to wipe Perry off the map.

[Luvsaugeri]

I just noticed on Neal's myspace site he has swapped out the originals in favor of the AP version of Separate Ways and Wheel in the Sky.

Well it does represent Schon's recent activity so fair play to him.

But so do the new songs. Why not have those on there? He does have AATY but that's it. I don't know, it would seem to me you would want to have your whole body of work sampled on there. But that's just me.

[RossValoryRocks]

Drop the Perry/Schon wars for a second here...

It is over 10 years now since Perry was the singer for Journey...

He has moved on...so did the rest of the band...

Here is the question for the day: They rerecorded the music, it is Journey, don't they have the right to put the music out there to be heard, and doesn't Neal have the right to put whatever version of the songs on his MySpace??? Lets look at this a second, Perry had the right to go back and redo all the albums he was a part of as he saw fit didn't he? Fair is fair isn't it?

[Michigan Girl]

Drop the Perry/Schon wars for a second here...

It is over 10 years now since Perry was the singer for Journey...

He has moved on...so did the rest of the band...

Here is the question for the day: They rerecorded the music, it is Journey, don't they have the right to put the music out there to be heard, and doesn't Neal have the right to put whatever version of the songs on his MySpace??? Lets look at this a second, Perry had the right to go back and redo all the albums he was a part of as he saw fit didn't he? Fair is fair isn't it?

YUP...still don't like it....

[Angiekay]

Aww Sweetie, now is that anyway for a nice little gal like you to talk? </ sexist jerk>
You ignore the question with a catty retort.
Wow, I guess the truth struck a nerve for you to be so dismissive.
You know you play stuff all the time you don't necessarily like and that you answer to a higher authority. To say otherwise ignores what happened to Don Imus and proves you disingenuous.
And that's me accepting you on your insinuation that you have a radio show and work for a radio station, which are not necessarily the same thing.

.

You'd like to think you struck a nerve, I can just tell you, you've just proved you REALLY don't know what the hell you are talking about.

As for YOU, you can just drop the "sexist" part.

*Smooch*

[Luvsaugeri]

Drop the Perry/Schon wars for a second here...

It is over 10 years now since Perry was the singer for Journey...

He has moved on...so did the rest of the band...

Here is the question for the day: They rerecorded the music, it is Journey, don't they have the right to put the music out there to be heard, and doesn't Neal have the right to put whatever version of the songs on his MySpace??? Lets look at this a second, Perry had the right to go back and redo all the albums he was a part of as he saw fit didn't he? Fair is fair isn't it?

I don't really think it's a question of what Neal has the right to do or what Journey has the right to do. It is about people's thoughts and reactions to what he/they do.

They all have the 'right' to do what they damn well please.

[bluejeangirl76]

Lets look at this a second, Perry had the right to go back and redo all the albums he was a part of as he saw fit didn't he?

He didn't really "redo" anything, though. The songs are still the same with the same musicians and singer.

If I open a document created by Joe in the next office and fix all his spelling errors, its still Joe's document. If I open it and decide I can do it better even though Joe's work was fine to start with, and replace all Joe's work with my own, that's another matter.

Yes, Stu, I agree with you - Neal can do whatever he wants with those songs and with his myspace. And the fact that those rerecords are there is moot since there's nothing anyone can do about it now anyway. That still doesn't make them a good idea.

I could get up and go tell my boss to fuck off right now. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea or that I should do that.

[Deb]

99% of the listeners will not notice the difference. You know that is the truth. Let's be real. They are listening to the song and singing along.

I think you are right on the money with that. You ask 100 casual radio listeners (not diehard Journey fans like us) and I'll bet at least 95 wouldn't even know the difference and that it's not Perry. Heck, my daughter didn't and believe me she's heard Perry's vocals a wee bit.

[Liam]

"Another night in any town" vs. "Another night in any town-ah"...I think I'd notice even if I was a casual fan.