OT---FAVRE TO JETS JETS JETS.

[lights1961]

FROM VIKINGS TO TAMPA BAY to JETS... and he thought LAMBAUE was cold wait til he plays in that windy as hell stadium in December!! HOLY CRAP.
JETS JETS JETS. they will boo him after his sfirst interception..

Rick

[NealIsGod]

FROM VIKINGS TO TAMPA BAY to JETS... and he thought LAMBAUE was cold wait til he plays in that windy as hell stadium in December!! HOLY CRAP.
JETS JETS JETS. they will boo him after his sfirst interception..

Rick

I think those fans are used to seeing interceptions.

[Enigma869]

You can't be serious???? You actually believe that Giants Stadium in NJ is colder than Lambeau Field in Wisconsin???? Did you even watch the Packers/Giants playoff game last season Dude...you need to educate yourself about weather! I've been to both stadiums, late in the season, and I can tell you that it's not even close! Giants Stadium is fucking tropical compared to Lambeau!


John from Boston

[lights1961]

You can't be serious???? You actually believe that Giants Stadium in NJ is colder than Lambeau Field in Wisconsin???? Did you even watch the Packers/Giants playoff game last season Dude...you need to educate yourself about weather! I've been to both stadiums, late in the season, and I can tell you that it's not even close! Giants Stadium is fucking tropical compared to Lambeau!


John from Boston

whatever... i was just stating opinion... not fact... that only you seem to worry about. I did watch the game it was great til the end. THE WIND IN JETS STADIUM is what he will have to contend with oh and players who wont be able to catch his fastballs.



Rick

[Liam]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

[Tito]

Brett Favre will be a flop in New York. It will be a sad ending. I'm calling it right now, he WILL get hurt on that turf. I'm not sure how the Jets' OL is, but it better be good. The New York media will not be kind to him by the end of the year too. This could get ugly.

[Rhiannon]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Chad ends up coaching at Webb Prep back in TN... like his Pappy.

[Liam]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Chad ends up coaching at Webb Prep back in TN... like his Pappy.

I SERIOUSLY doubt it. He'll probably retire today.

[Tito]

THIS IS ALL THEY GAVE UP?!!!!:

According to NFL.com, the Packers will receive a fourth-round draft pick in 2009. The selection would turn into a third-rounder if Favre plays in 50 percent of the plays this season, a second-rounder if he plays in 70 percent and the Jets make the playoffs, or a first-round pick if he plays in 80 percent and the Jets make it to the Super Bowl.

A 4th rounder ain't sh-t. Even though I think he'll get hurt, I think he'll make it to 50% of the plays, which makes it a 3 round pick. That's worth it to take a chance on him. If they make it to the Superbowl (which I highly doubt) AND he takes 80% of the snaps (which he'll need to do if they somehow make it this far), they then get a first rounder. That is worth it - a first round pick for a trip to the Superbowl. Hell yeah. Grant it, it would blow to lose the game but if they win it, anybody would trade or just outright give up their first round pick to win the Superbowl. They basically got him for nothing. The worst scenario for the Jets would be the 2nd round draft choice condition, but still it's worth it for a starting QB of his magnitude.

[Saint John]

I'm pissed the Bears didn't get him. Fuck, Cedric Benson was a first round pick. A second or even 3rd rounder for Favre is worth it...especially to mentor Kyle Orton for a year. Nice job, Angelo.

[Liam]

Honestly, I don't think Favre will make it past week 6. Not with the Jets o-line. He'll be BRUTALIZED because of it. If he thought he got hurt with GB....holy shit...he's in for a rude awakening. Good thing he didn't go to Miami...he'd be dead after the first game.

[NealIsGod]

Honestly, I don't think Favre will make it past week 6. Not with the Jets o-line. He'll be BRUTALIZED because of it. If he thought he got hurt with GB....holy shit...he's in for a rude awakening. Good thing he didn't go to Miami...he'd be dead after the first game.

The Jets actually have a pretty good OL now. Favre will probably start all 16 games.

[Liam]

Honestly, I don't think Favre will make it past week 6. Not with the Jets o-line. He'll be BRUTALIZED because of it. If he thought he got hurt with GB....holy shit...he's in for a rude awakening. Good thing he didn't go to Miami...he'd be dead after the first game.

The Jets actually have a pretty good OL now. Favre will probably start all 16 games.

What did they do in the draft? I was just going on the holes they had in the o-line last year.

[Angiekay]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Possibly headed to MN DOH!

[NealIsGod]

They Jets have four former first round picks on their OL: Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold. I doubt Favre would have been persuaded to accept the trade if he thought they had a lousy OL.

[NealIsGod]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Possibly headed to MN DOH!

I predict he'll go to Chicago or Tampa.

[Liam]

They Jets have four former first round picks on their OL: Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold. I doubt Favre would have been persuaded to accept the trade if he thought they had a lousy OL.

Ok...I'll grant ya that. I still doubt that they'll stand up like GB's o-line did for him, though. It's gonna be a huge switch for him.

[Liam]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Possibly headed to MN DOH!

Might not be a bad thing. The guy's got a decent arm. Not the BEST...but decent. Maybe he'll help 'em win the North?!?!
Dunno. The Vikes need a good QB to do ANYTHING this year anyway.

[Journey/Survivor]

I'll be watching the Jets play the Browns in a couple of hours. But I would imagine there's no way that Favre plays tonight, unless it's just a few plays.

[RedWingFan]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Possibly headed to MN DOH!

I predict he'll go to Chicago or Tampa.

I'm hearing KC is a possibility also.

[NealIsGod]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Possibly headed to MN DOH!

I predict he'll go to Chicago or Tampa.

I'm hearing KC is a possibility also.

Now I'm hearing Dolphins. Pretty funny that more teams want Pennington than Favre.

[lights1961]

And Pennington is either going to be traded or released by 4 PM (EST) today. Not that anyone really gives a shit.

Possibly headed to MN DOH!

I predict he'll go to Chicago or Tampa.

I'm hearing KC is a possibility also.

Now I'm hearing Dolphins. Pretty funny that more teams want Pennington than Favre.

cheap labor..

[Enigma869]

Brett Favre will be a flop in New York.

In my opinion, the Jets win a minimum of 9 games, and by NY Jets standards, that is anything but a "flop". If you at the Jets' schedule...they play The Rams, Chiefs, 49'ers, Oakland, Arizona, Miami twice, Buffalo twice and Cincinatti! None of those teams are great teams, and most of them flat out suck! I think Arizona should be improved (but I've been saying that for 3 years). Miami is awful. The Jets are better than Buffalo. Oakland has been a complete embarrassment of an organization, since Al Davis went senile, and I don't see the 49'ers doing much! I would not be at all shocked to see the Jets in the playoffs.


John from Boston

[bru87tr]

ya, they got a weak schedule.

the jets will win 9 games.

still lose to the pats, bad year for favre to have a first year with jets. pats are out to prove something and I think its gonna be ugly for teams they face.

[NealIsGod]

Here's a great article that should make Packers fans feel good.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingc ... id=3523451

Now that Brett Favre is a New York Jet and Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson is the most scrutinized executive in the NFL, let's get one thing straight: The Packers will be fine.

You can talk all you want about how much better the Packers would've been with Favre. You can point out the mistakes Thompson made in handling the longest-running soap opera in recent league history. What you can't do, however, is make a case for the Packers falling apart now that old No. 4 is working in the Big Apple. That one just doesn't fly.

For those people who want to point to all the things Favre has accomplished in his glorious 17-year career, I will steer you to some of the feats Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy have pulled off in their brief tenure in Green Bay. They put the league's youngest team on the field last season and watched it win 13 games and an NFC North title.

They've rid themselves of aging, expensive veterans and filled their roster with young playmakers, 40 of whom Thompson acquired since becoming general manager in 2005. And for those who pay attention to the bottom line, the Packers are still $30 million under the cap.

Those are the kinds of facts that don't get mentioned in the media or by fans because they're not as sexy as the fate of a miffed 38-year-old quarterback who's headed for the Hall of Fame. But trust me, they matter far more than most people realize. Those facts mean that Thompson and McCarthy have been quite proficient at their jobs since showing up in Green Bay. They also mean that skeptical Packers fans should be excited about a team that clearly has been built to last.

In fact, all the Favre supporters who castigated Thompson over the past month need to finally realize how much Favre contributed to this controversy in the first place. Favre was the one who chose to retire back in March. He's also the one who said he wanted to return to the Packers a few weeks later, only to tell them he didn't want to come back after all. While I'm on the subject, he's also the same guy who kept this controversy stewing for so long because he wanted to get his way and manipulate the public into believing he was still a star worth loving.

If this past month should've told us anything about Favre, it's that we now understand why Thompson and McCarthy got fed up with the guy in the first place. Favre simply couldn't commit to their plan, either because he didn't feel loved enough or because Thompson wasn't willing to sign Randy Moss, hire Steve Mariucci and kiss Favre's ring all in the same motion.

If you want more proof of how maddening it had to be to deal with Favre, just consider how he handled that reported 10-year, $20 million offer the Packers gave him to stay retired. Last week he supposedly was considering it, then a couple of days ago he was criticizing Green Bay for trying to buy him off.

I'm not making this stuff up, folks. These are actual facts that can be checked simply by clicking on Google. They're also an indication of how confused and conflicted Favre had been this entire offseason. For those who don't know, NFL teams can't afford to deal with the confused and conflicted. They need players who are on the same page from day one, and that belief is exactly what fueled the stubbornness of Thompson and McCarthy.

They had a plan in place, and they believed in it. They also gave Favre a chance to be part of that plan. But Favre apparently couldn't accept working with a general manager he didn't like and a team that was ready to move on without him. That's fine. He gets to play football again -- with a mediocre team that is about to get kicked around the AFC for another season -- and the Packers get to move forward with a squad that should make another run at the Super Bowl.

And please don't tell me how much pressure is on Aaron Rodgers, Favre's successor. If anything, he should have more confidence now that Favre has been shuttled out of town because Rodgers is the best quarterback on the current roster. I'd also give Thompson credit for his ability to find talent. He has built a nice supporting cast for Rodgers because he's been able to pluck playmakers off the free-agent market and out of the draft.

In case you forgot, running back Ryan Grant was mired at the bottom of the New York Giants' depth chart before Thompson traded for him and set him loose on opposing defenses.

These are the kind of accomplishments Packers fans -- along with anybody else who has followed this story -- need to focus on now. There was going to come a day when Favre's career ended in Green Bay, and it just so happened that such a day came twice in the same year. But the game of football doesn't stop moving forward for anybody. Not even for a man with Favre's impeccable credentials.

So when you watch the Packers this season and wait for them to implode without their former starter, remember one thing: This isn't the NBA, in which you can just add a Kevin Garnett and a Ray Allen to a lousy team and win a title. In football, you need 53 men to be focused on the same goal -- instead of one man carrying a team. The Packers have that going for themselves today. And that's reason enough for them not to regret parting ways with one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history.

[marco17]

After reading the above article, I found it a bit comical while watching ESPN and then NFL Countdown last night that after they have played the 50/50 game for a while, they were now doing the whole "Whao is me" angle for Brett Favre, and that this was all the Packer's fault and Farve didn't do a thing. I agree, Farve probably gave them the best chance to win, but regardless, it was evident that the relationship between the current front office and Farve was not the same as the previous one. It should also be said that for anyone who feels bad for Favre, the guy is still getting paid in the millions, playing a GAME for a living, while most of the country is worried about whether their employer is going to do layoffs or what have you due to the present economy. And, I understand he wants to play, and he now has an opportunity to do that, at the expense of Chad Pennington's job. And, it would have been someone else in Pennington's place if he'd ended up somewhere else.

I look forward to seeing if Favre and Aaron Rodgers can both live up to the hype. Let's not forget that while Rodgers is unfairly being chastized for not being Favre quality and has a lot to live up to, you know Favre will be going overboard trying to justify his existense to the Jets and the Packers. And, usually when Favre is pushing too hard he doesn't make the best decisions.

Finally, while there is some bad blood now, when Favre retires and goes to the HOF, I doubt he'll show up in a Jets jersey.

[NealIsGod]

Finally, while there is some bad blood now, when Favre retires and goes to the HOF, I doubt he'll show up in a Jets jersey.

I'm sure they'll just give him one of those 1-day contracts so he can retire as a Packer.

[marco17]

Finally, while there is some bad blood now, when Favre retires and goes to the HOF, I doubt he'll show up in a Jets jersey.

I'm sure they'll just give him one of those 1-day contracts so he can retire as a Packer.

I completely agree with you.

[lights1961]

Here's a great article that should make Packers fans feel good.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingc ... id=3523451

Now that Brett Favre is a New York Jet and Green Bay general manager Ted Thompson is the most scrutinized executive in the NFL, let's get one thing straight: The Packers will be fine.

You can talk all you want about how much better the Packers would've been with Favre. You can point out the mistakes Thompson made in handling the longest-running soap opera in recent league history. What you can't do, however, is make a case for the Packers falling apart now that old No. 4 is working in the Big Apple. That one just doesn't fly.

For those people who want to point to all the things Favre has accomplished in his glorious 17-year career, I will steer you to some of the feats Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy have pulled off in their brief tenure in Green Bay. They put the league's youngest team on the field last season and watched it win 13 games and an NFC North title.

They've rid themselves of aging, expensive veterans and filled their roster with young playmakers, 40 of whom Thompson acquired since becoming general manager in 2005. And for those who pay attention to the bottom line, the Packers are still $30 million under the cap.

Those are the kinds of facts that don't get mentioned in the media or by fans because they're not as sexy as the fate of a miffed 38-year-old quarterback who's headed for the Hall of Fame. But trust me, they matter far more than most people realize. Those facts mean that Thompson and McCarthy have been quite proficient at their jobs since showing up in Green Bay. They also mean that skeptical Packers fans should be excited about a team that clearly has been built to last.

In fact, all the Favre supporters who castigated Thompson over the past month need to finally realize how much Favre contributed to this controversy in the first place. Favre was the one who chose to retire back in March. He's also the one who said he wanted to return to the Packers a few weeks later, only to tell them he didn't want to come back after all. While I'm on the subject, he's also the same guy who kept this controversy stewing for so long because he wanted to get his way and manipulate the public into believing he was still a star worth loving.

If this past month should've told us anything about Favre, it's that we now understand why Thompson and McCarthy got fed up with the guy in the first place. Favre simply couldn't commit to their plan, either because he didn't feel loved enough or because Thompson wasn't willing to sign Randy Moss, hire Steve Mariucci and kiss Favre's ring all in the same motion.

If you want more proof of how maddening it had to be to deal with Favre, just consider how he handled that reported 10-year, $20 million offer the Packers gave him to stay retired. Last week he supposedly was considering it, then a couple of days ago he was criticizing Green Bay for trying to buy him off.

I'm not making this stuff up, folks. These are actual facts that can be checked simply by clicking on Google. They're also an indication of how confused and conflicted Favre had been this entire offseason. For those who don't know, NFL teams can't afford to deal with the confused and conflicted. They need players who are on the same page from day one, and that belief is exactly what fueled the stubbornness of Thompson and McCarthy.

They had a plan in place, and they believed in it. They also gave Favre a chance to be part of that plan. But Favre apparently couldn't accept working with a general manager he didn't like and a team that was ready to move on without him. That's fine. He gets to play football again -- with a mediocre team that is about to get kicked around the AFC for another season -- and the Packers get to move forward with a squad that should make another run at the Super Bowl.

And please don't tell me how much pressure is on Aaron Rodgers, Favre's successor. If anything, he should have more confidence now that Favre has been shuttled out of town because Rodgers is the best quarterback on the current roster. I'd also give Thompson credit for his ability to find talent. He has built a nice supporting cast for Rodgers because he's been able to pluck playmakers off the free-agent market and out of the draft.

In case you forgot, running back Ryan Grant was mired at the bottom of the New York Giants' depth chart before Thompson traded for him and set him loose on opposing defenses.

These are the kind of accomplishments Packers fans -- along with anybody else who has followed this story -- need to focus on now. There was going to come a day when Favre's career ended in Green Bay, and it just so happened that such a day came twice in the same year. But the game of football doesn't stop moving forward for anybody. Not even for a man with Favre's impeccable credentials.

So when you watch the Packers this season and wait for them to implode without their former starter, remember one thing: This isn't the NBA, in which you can just add a Kevin Garnett and a Ray Allen to a lousy team and win a title. In football, you need 53 men to be focused on the same goal -- instead of one man carrying a team. The Packers have that going for themselves today. And that's reason enough for them not to regret parting ways with one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history.

WHEN BRETT REPLACED THE MAJIC MAN back in 1992... i was like damn....but 17 years later we face it again with Rodgers... so we dont know anything until the first REAL game is under our belt. if they can beat the Vikings at week one, all we be fine. if they get killed by the Vikings at home on Monday night it will be a very LONG SEASON.

Rick

[RedWingFan]

Oakland has been a complete embarrassment of an organization, since Al Davis went senile

For the first time in 5 years. I'm actually optimistic about the Raiders this year. The consistently weak offensive line really played pretty well last year under new O-line coach Tom Cable and the Bronco style blocking scheme he brought in. It all hinges on how Jamarcus Russell plays. If he's solid with few mistakes they will do very well. The Raiders have a solid running game with Fargas (who's coming off his best year) McFadden, plus the POUNDING Michael Bush from Louisville. The defense should be able to make plays with a solid secondary as well. Anyway all of this was enough to keep me from cancelling "Sunday Ticket" and "SuperFan"