OT: Anyone else here really hate their job

[Angiekay]

Ooops....sorry, MG.....I'll just say PART of the year. 8 mos., 9 mos.....WHATEVER....

I was going to say... lol! My brother is a band director/instructor and he's lucky if he gets two months off!

[Tito]

Teaching is a hard gig...I don't know if I could do it. I LOVE kids, but I don't think I would have that kind of patience!
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They're overpaid. At least in Illinois.

[Saint John]

I worked in the Chicago Public Schools system for 4 years a s a substitute and I can categorically say that teachers are WAAAAAY overpaid, costantly bitching and under qualified. My one point of sympathy is with the parents. What a bunch of terrible parents society now has. My parents never questioned the teachers. I knew if a call was made home that my ass was grass and I'd be in the house for at least a week. You call parents today and they come to the school for a meeting as if you've sodomized their child with a fucking lightpole. They're angry, confrontational and some are jsut scary. Most believe that there's NO way their child could have done what is being alleged.

That said, I've met some great educators that are trapped with that stupid fucking union wage garbage. Union wages and scales ("tracks" as they're called in Chicago) make it so it's to your advantage to do the least amount of work as possible. You get paid by how many years you have taught rather than by merit. What a bunch of garbage. I've seen teachers with 20 years in that are completely burned out, have become shitty teachers and are still teaching because they are now making 70-80k a year for 8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months). The teacher's union needs to be destroyed immediately. It has made our teachers lazy and our kids dumb. It's an evil entity.

[RossValoryRocks]

Teaching is a hard gig...I don't know if I could do it. I LOVE kids, but I don't think I would have that kind of patience!
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They're overpaid. At least in Illinois.

As the husband of a teacher I couldn't disagree more. They aren't paid nearly enough! Sure they get 3 months off (2 1/2 acutally) but to get that they work 10 sometimes 11 hours a day grading tests, making up tests, staying after school to tutor kids, writting lesson plans you name it. Then they sometimes have to work on weekends as well.

On top of all that they have to deal with the spoiled snot-nosed brats of todays generation.

Most teachers make $35,000 to $40,000 a year until they are into 20+ years of teaching.

Try and speak intelligently on a subject Tito...or if you know nothing about it...don't speak at all.

[epresley]

The thing with teachers is that they are always crying for more money. First of all, people go into teaching because they LOVE to TEACH. No one goes into teaching expecting to strike it rich. AND for only working 6 months out of the year. Now, I DO admit that today's kids are becoming hard to deal with, but there is something in EVERY job that is hard at some point.

I have no sympathy for teachers who cry for money and strike. Yeah, they really care about the kids.....riiiiight.

What state????

Oh Jeez, MG, I'm gonna have to stay out of this thread huh? Me and Yogi are career school people, we'll just get pissed.

[RossValoryRocks]

I worked in the Chicago Public Schools system for 4 years a s a substitute and I can categorically say that teachers are WAAAAAY overpaid, costantly bitching and under qualified. My one point of sympathy is with the parents. What a bunch of terrible parents society now has. My parents never questioned the teachers. I knew if a call was made home that my ass was grass and I'd be in the house for at least a week. You call parents today and they come to the school for a meeting as if you've sodomized their child with a fucking lightpole. They're angry, confrontational and some are jsut scary. Most believe that there's NO way their child could have done what is being alleged.

That said, I've met some great educators that are trapped with that stupid fucking union wage garbage. Union wages and scales ("tracks" as they're called in Chicago) make it so it's to your advantage to do the least amount of work as possible. You get paid by how many years you have taught rather than by merit. What a bunch of garbage. I've seen teachers with 20 years in that are completely burned out, have become shitty teachers and are still teaching because they are now making 70-80k a year for 8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months). The teacher's union needs to be destroyed immediately. It has made our teachers lazy and our kids dumb. It's an evil entity.

Here I used to think you were smart...why don't you try this rant in Cleveland so I can watch my 5'1" wife kick your ass all over the place! LOL

[Jenna]

If I could put into words I would---On a good day---I leave the office with my wits still about me---On my Bad days--I go home and pray for Good days------

[S2M]

Imagine if panhandlers wanted more money?You walk up to a begger, and put a dollar into his styrofoam cup.  He takes it out, looks at it, and starts waxing about how the streets are more dangerous nowadays, and his 'job' is much harder now, and blah, blah, blah, about what he has to deal with....you gonna give him a five instead?  Didn't think so......

[Tito]

Here's a good article I read last week about teachers' salaries, etc.

http://www.championnews.net/article.php?sid=1104

Here are the Top 100 paid teachers in Illinois. Is it me, or should an Art teach NOT being making over $196,000?

http://www.championnews.net/article.php?sid=1103

[Lula]

The thing with teachers is that they are always crying for more money. First of all, people go into teaching because they LOVE to TEACH. No one goes into teaching expecting to strike it rich. AND for only working 6 months out of the year. Now, I DO admit that today's kids are becoming hard to deal with, but there is something in EVERY job that is hard at some point.

I have no sympathy for teachers who cry for money and strike. Yeah, they really care about the kids.....riiiiight.

*clears throat*

i'm a teacher. the deal with more money, at least for my district is the money sent from the state for cost of living raises is sitting in the board's account, not being passed onto the teachers as it was intended. i love my job. the amount of college/cost is far greater than the financial return. i don't think asking to make enough money to meet your expenses is out of line. also, i don't know of another profession where personal finances are used regularly to aid in success of the client without compensation. in order to move up the pay scale we have to continue to take classes, at our cost. don't be so quick to slam teachers, most of us work really hard and truly do care about the success of our students.

[epresley]

The thing with teachers is that they are always crying for more money. First of all, people go into teaching because they LOVE to TEACH. No one goes into teaching expecting to strike it rich. AND for only working 6 months out of the year. Now, I DO admit that today's kids are becoming hard to deal with, but there is something in EVERY job that is hard at some point.

I have no sympathy for teachers who cry for money and strike. Yeah, they really care about the kids.....riiiiight.

*clears throat*

i'm a teacher. the deal with more money, at least for my district is the money sent from the state for cost of living raises is sitting in the board's account, not being passed onto the teachers as it was intended. i love my job. the amount of college/cost is far greater than the financial return. i don't think asking to make enough money to meet your expenses is out of line. also, i don't know of another profession where personal finances are used regularly to aid in success of the client without compensation. in order to move up the pay scale we have to continue to take classes, at our cost. don't be so quick to slam teachers, most of us work really hard and truly do care about the success of our students.

Right on Lula.

[Lula]

Teaching is a hard gig...I don't know if I could do it. I LOVE kids, but I don't think I would have that kind of patience!
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They're overpaid. At least in Illinois.

As the husband of a teacher I couldn't disagree more. They aren't paid nearly enough! Sure they get 3 months off (2 1/2 acutally) but to get that they work 10 sometimes 11 hours a day grading tests, making up tests, staying after school to tutor kids, writting lesson plans you name it. Then they sometimes have to work on weekends as well.

On top of all that they have to deal with the spoiled snot-nosed brats of todays generation.

Most teachers make $35,000 to $40,000 a year until they are into 20+ years of teaching.

Try and speak intelligently on a subject Tito...or if you know nothing about it...don't speak at all.

thank you stu!!!

i posted before i read the rest of the thread. i won't even attempt a debate with this lot as they have no idea.

love to your girls and you too

[Saint John]

I worked in the Chicago Public Schools system for 4 years a s a substitute and I can categorically say that teachers are WAAAAAY overpaid, costantly bitching and under qualified. My one point of sympathy is with the parents. What a bunch of terrible parents society now has. My parents never questioned the teachers. I knew if a call was made home that my ass was grass and I'd be in the house for at least a week. You call parents today and they come to the school for a meeting as if you've sodomized their child with a fucking lightpole. They're angry, confrontational and some are jsut scary. Most believe that there's NO way their child could have done what is being alleged.

That said, I've met some great educators that are trapped with that stupid fucking union wage garbage. Union wages and scales ("tracks" as they're called in Chicago) make it so it's to your advantage to do the least amount of work as possible. You get paid by how many years you have taught rather than by merit. What a bunch of garbage. I've seen teachers with 20 years in that are completely burned out, have become shitty teachers and are still teaching because they are now making 70-80k a year for 8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months). The teacher's union needs to be destroyed immediately. It has made our teachers lazy and our kids dumb. It's an evil entity.

Here I used to think you were smart...why don't you try this rant in Cleveland so I can watch my 5'1" wife kick your ass all over the place! LOL

What would her point(s) of contention be, Stu? And thanks for the warning, man!!! Am I gonna look funny wearing a cup and mouthpiece at the Journey show?

[Tito]

the amount of college/cost is far greater than the financial return. i don't think asking to make enough money to meet your expenses is out of line. also, i don't know of another profession where personal finances are used regularly to aid in success of the client without compensation. in order to move up the pay scale we have to continue to take classes, at our cost. don't be so quick to slam teachers, most of us work really hard and truly do care about the success of our students.

You're arguing on a different point - the cost of education. I agree it is way too high which makes salaries (especially ones just out of school) pale to the cost of education. Many people have this debate with themselves - why did I go to college and pay XX,XXX a year to make this.

[RossValoryRocks]

I worked in the Chicago Public Schools system for 4 years a s a substitute and I can categorically say that teachers are WAAAAAY overpaid, costantly bitching and under qualified. My one point of sympathy is with the parents. What a bunch of terrible parents society now has. My parents never questioned the teachers. I knew if a call was made home that my ass was grass and I'd be in the house for at least a week. You call parents today and they come to the school for a meeting as if you've sodomized their child with a fucking lightpole. They're angry, confrontational and some are jsut scary. Most believe that there's NO way their child could have done what is being alleged.

That said, I've met some great educators that are trapped with that stupid fucking union wage garbage. Union wages and scales ("tracks" as they're called in Chicago) make it so it's to your advantage to do the least amount of work as possible. You get paid by how many years you have taught rather than by merit. What a bunch of garbage. I've seen teachers with 20 years in that are completely burned out, have become shitty teachers and are still teaching because they are now making 70-80k a year for 8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months). The teacher's union needs to be destroyed immediately. It has made our teachers lazy and our kids dumb. It's an evil entity.

Here I used to think you were smart...why don't you try this rant in Cleveland so I can watch my 5'1" wife kick your ass all over the place! LOL

What would her point(s) of contention be, Stu? And thanks for the warning, man!!! Am I gonna look funny wearing a cup and mouthpiece at the Journey show?

ROFLMAO! I will PAY YOU MONEY...COLD HARD CASH...to wear a cup and a mouth piece!!!!!!!! The bone of contention is the pay...read my post to Tito...it will explain it in detail.

[RossValoryRocks]

Teaching is a hard gig...I don't know if I could do it. I LOVE kids, but I don't think I would have that kind of patience!
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They're overpaid. At least in Illinois.

As the husband of a teacher I couldn't disagree more. They aren't paid nearly enough! Sure they get 3 months off (2 1/2 acutally) but to get that they work 10 sometimes 11 hours a day grading tests, making up tests, staying after school to tutor kids, writting lesson plans you name it. Then they sometimes have to work on weekends as well.

On top of all that they have to deal with the spoiled snot-nosed brats of todays generation.

Most teachers make $35,000 to $40,000 a year until they are into 20+ years of teaching.

Try and speak intelligently on a subject Tito...or if you know nothing about it...don't speak at all.

thank you stu!!!

i posted before i read the rest of the thread. i won't even attempt a debate with this lot as they have no idea.

love to your girls and you too

Right back at ya sweetie! Miss you guys...gotta get out to Cali soon!

[Lula]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

[S2M]

The thing with teachers is that they are always crying for more money. First of all, people go into teaching because they LOVE to TEACH. No one goes into teaching expecting to strike it rich. AND for only working 6 months out of the year. Now, I DO admit that today's kids are becoming hard to deal with, but there is something in EVERY job that is hard at some point.

I have no sympathy for teachers who cry for money and strike. Yeah, they really care about the kids.....riiiiight.

*clears throat*

i'm a teacher. the deal with more money, at least for my district is the money sent from the state for cost of living raises is sitting in the board's account, not being passed onto the teachers as it was intended. i love my job. the amount of college/cost is far greater than the financial return. i don't think asking to make enough money to meet your expenses is out of line. also, i don't know of another profession where personal finances are used regularly to aid in success of the client without compensation. in order to move up the pay scale we have to continue to take classes, at our cost. don't be so quick to slam teachers, most of us work really hard and truly do care about the success of our students.

Yep, as most politicians care about their constituants.......

The point IS....teachers are never going to be rich(well, the ones in IL seem like they are).

I deliver mail for a living. Not the world's most glamorous job. Not the hardest job. But it is FAR from easy. I have to deal with the elements, and lying supervisors. i work SIX days a week, and for TWELVE months. I make just over $20/hour, with NO benefits.....and you know what? We are PROHIBITED from striking. One of the worst things is when carriers call out sick. There is NO replacement carrier. The ones who did show up are now doing extra work. Imagine doing a route and a half! Imagine delivering mail in the winter til 7pm! Imagine doing this with absolutely NO recourse. Delivering maill for 3 hours in the DARK. But I digress. We never ask for more money.

Give me a WARM, or COOL room, a desk....3 months off, and a great pension and salary ANYDAY.

[Rhiannon]

You're arguing on a different point - the cost of education. I agree it is way too high which makes salaries (especially ones just out of school) pale to the cost of education. Many people have this debate with themselves - why did I go to college and pay XX,XXX a year to make this.

Hence why some people smart up half-way into it and say "No, thanks, I'm fine." Go and have jobs they love and make great money! ...Like me.

Everyone wants to argue I'd have been better off finishing school, and sure, it'd have been nice. But in comparison with my peers who just graduated and are now starting their life out in deep debt, I feel smarter. I'm further along in my career (having a few years' head start), have zero debt, and some of them are floundering in the real world with crappy ass jobs. I know one guy who had to work at an IHOP and a toll-booth just to make it, and he graduated from UVa!! Another friend went to a private school outside LA (120,000 in loans) and took him 5 years to find a decent job! No thanks, college, I do fine without ya.

That being said... my job is wicked awesome.

[Angiekay]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

No offense, but that still a HELL of alot more then the average workers 3-5 weeks.

[RossValoryRocks]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

No offense, but that still a HELL of alot more then the average workers 3-5 weeks.

Again...do you know the kind of hours teachers put in?? Do you know what they have to deal with, kids being how they are today.

You can't pay them enough.

[Lula]

The thing with teachers is that they are always crying for more money. First of all, people go into teaching because they LOVE to TEACH. No one goes into teaching expecting to strike it rich. AND for only working 6 months out of the year. Now, I DO admit that today's kids are becoming hard to deal with, but there is something in EVERY job that is hard at some point.

I have no sympathy for teachers who cry for money and strike. Yeah, they really care about the kids.....riiiiight.

*clears throat*

i'm a teacher. the deal with more money, at least for my district is the money sent from the state for cost of living raises is sitting in the board's account, not being passed onto the teachers as it was intended. i love my job. the amount of college/cost is far greater than the financial return. i don't think asking to make enough money to meet your expenses is out of line. also, i don't know of another profession where personal finances are used regularly to aid in success of the client without compensation. in order to move up the pay scale we have to continue to take classes, at our cost. don't be so quick to slam teachers, most of us work really hard and truly do care about the success of our students.

Yep, as most politicians care about their constituants.......

The point IS....teachers are never going to be rich(well, the ones in IL seem like they are).

I deliver mail for a living. Not the world's most glamorous job. Not the hardest job. But it is FAR from easy. I have to deal with the elements, and lying supervisors. i work SIX days a week, and for TWELVE months. I make just over $20/hour, with NO benefits.....and you know what? We are PROHIBITED from striking. One of the worst things is when carriers call out sick. There is NO replacement carrier. The ones who did show up are now doing extra work. Imagine doing a route and a half! Imagine delivering mail in the winter til 7pm! Imagine doing this with absolutely NO recourse. Delivering maill for 3 hours in the DARK. But I digress. We never ask for more money.

Give me a WARM, or COOL room, a desk....3 months off, and a great pension and salary ANYDAY.

you too can become a teacher. go back to school, pass the required exams and appy for your credential.

you are looking at the teaching profession through rose colored glasses. don't get me wrong, i love my job and knew going in it was not going to make me rich, not monetarily anyway, but it is not a walk in the park as you perceive.

[S2M]

You know what is REALLY fucked up?

Paying a person to SAVE LIVES - 300,000 a year.

Paying someone to make you laugh, cry, get an adrenaline rush....etc - 20 million a movie.

Now THAT's fucked up!

Sorry, not buying the teacher sympathy act......when an ART teacher makes 196,000...it' is time to call in the insanity police.

[Saint John]

I worked in the Chicago Public Schools system for 4 years a s a substitute and I can categorically say that teachers are WAAAAAY overpaid, costantly bitching and under qualified. My one point of sympathy is with the parents. What a bunch of terrible parents society now has. My parents never questioned the teachers. I knew if a call was made home that my ass was grass and I'd be in the house for at least a week. You call parents today and they come to the school for a meeting as if you've sodomized their child with a fucking lightpole. They're angry, confrontational and some are jsut scary. Most believe that there's NO way their child could have done what is being alleged.

That said, I've met some great educators that are trapped with that stupid fucking union wage garbage. Union wages and scales ("tracks" as they're called in Chicago) make it so it's to your advantage to do the least amount of work as possible. You get paid by how many years you have taught rather than by merit. What a bunch of garbage. I've seen teachers with 20 years in that are completely burned out, have become shitty teachers and are still teaching because they are now making 70-80k a year for 8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months). The teacher's union needs to be destroyed immediately. It has made our teachers lazy and our kids dumb. It's an evil entity.

Here I used to think you were smart...why don't you try this rant in Cleveland so I can watch my 5'1" wife kick your ass all over the place! LOL

What would her point(s) of contention be, Stu? And thanks for the warning, man!!! Am I gonna look funny wearing a cup and mouthpiece at the Journey show?

ROFLMAO! I will PAY YOU MONEY...COLD HARD CASH...to wear a cup and a mouth piece!!!!!!!! The bone of contention is the pay...read my post to Tito...it will explain it in detail.

Let me preface by saying that I was talking specifically about the Chicago Public Schools system. Stu, teachers here start at $40,000!!! Moreover, teachers with 20 years make at least $60-65k. Most that I knew made 70-80k. And there's prime opportunity to make more by working summer school, Chicago's after-school program or the laughable 1 hour before-school program. As far as grading papers, etc goes; in Chicago you're given one class off per day to do such work (40 minutes). Is it all the time you need? No, but I know that the majority of teachers I worked with took little or no work home...besides, it's only a 6 hour and 15 minute work day in the first place (8:15-2:30)!!! For me and most teachers I knew it was nice to wake up at 7am and be home by 3!!! And that's what most do, and they make a helluva lot of money doing so!!!

[Tito]

I worked in the Chicago Public Schools system for 4 years a s a substitute and I can categorically say that teachers are WAAAAAY overpaid, costantly bitching and under qualified. My one point of sympathy is with the parents. What a bunch of terrible parents society now has. My parents never questioned the teachers. I knew if a call was made home that my ass was grass and I'd be in the house for at least a week. You call parents today and they come to the school for a meeting as if you've sodomized their child with a fucking lightpole. They're angry, confrontational and some are jsut scary. Most believe that there's NO way their child could have done what is being alleged.

That said, I've met some great educators that are trapped with that stupid fucking union wage garbage. Union wages and scales ("tracks" as they're called in Chicago) make it so it's to your advantage to do the least amount of work as possible. You get paid by how many years you have taught rather than by merit. What a bunch of garbage. I've seen teachers with 20 years in that are completely burned out, have become shitty teachers and are still teaching because they are now making 70-80k a year for 8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months). The teacher's union needs to be destroyed immediately. It has made our teachers lazy and our kids dumb. It's an evil entity.

The main problem, at least in Illinois, is the number of school districts. They have way too many school districts here. It creates bureaucracies and administrations that are not needed (Superintendents making $200k+ to $300k+). They should cut the number of districts which would save 100 millions of dollars a year. That money could be reallocated to the classrooms and some given back to the taxpayer. The other problem, which was touch upon, is teacher unions. Along with that - tenure. Eliminate some districts, switch from pensions to a 401k, and get rid of tenure and that will save a lot of problems (and money for the taxpayers).

[Angiekay]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

No offense, but that still a HELL of alot more then the average workers 3-5 weeks.

Again...do you know the kind of hours teachers put in?? Do you know what they have to deal with, kids being how they are today.

You can't pay them enough.

Yes, I do, I listen to my brother talk about it allll the time, esp the parent syndrome Dan was talking about earlier. Still, there are a lot of other jobs....medical personal comes to mind that put out incredibly brutal hours and maybe get to choose one holiday of their choice off and have to work weekends and any other holidays, not to mention being on call in the middle of the night etc. And some of them aren't making the same kind of money teachers are

I'm not putting down teachers, I'm just saying there are a hell of a lot of other tough professions out there that don't get any slack or benefits.

[Lula]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

No offense, but that still a HELL of alot more then the average workers 3-5 weeks.

none taken.

my work comes home with me. i lesson plan on weekends. i take meetings before and after school. i tutor during my lunch break. i'm not looking for sympathy or praise, just asking you people to get real.

[Tito]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

2 1/2 months, 10 or 11 weeks isn't bad. That's twice than the best vacation time in the private sector. 4 or 5 times the amount in most cases.

[S2M]

Hell....I'd pick fly shit out of pepper for 10 weeks vacation!

[RossValoryRocks]

8 months of work (9 months of school minus Christmas and Spring break equals 8 months).

my school year- sept - june. vacation july and aug with 10 days for christmas break and 5 for spring break. not exactly a 4 month vacation.

No offense, but that still a HELL of alot more then the average workers 3-5 weeks.

Again...do you know the kind of hours teachers put in?? Do you know what they have to deal with, kids being how they are today.

You can't pay them enough.

Yes, I do, I listen to my brother talk about it allll the time, esp the parent syndrome Dan was talking about earlier. Still, there are a lot of other jobs....medical personal comes to mind that put out incredibly brutal hours and maybe get to choose one holiday of their choice off and have to work weekends and any other holidays, not to mention being on call in the middle of the night etc. And some of them aren't making the same kind of money teachers are

I'm not putting down teachers, I'm just saying there are a hell of a lot of other tough professions out there that don't get any slack or benefits.

Yeah...but they make a TON more than teachers do...it takes 20+ years to get to the $70K-$80/yr range in the teaching profession...you can step out off college in other fields and in some cases make that much .

A nurse in Pittsburgh right now steps out of school in a $25/hr job...long hours for sure, but they are well ahead of what a first year teach makes.