OT: Anyone else here really hate their job

[Rhiannon]

Today...

[Maui Tom]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

Think Sugar Ray will win the gold?

[DrFU]

Linda:

Are you in freaking Bejing???????



You didn't mention this as part of the summer concert tour!!!!

Nah; wish I was. I was there 18 months ago and took that pic when my group visited Olympic headquarters. We were working on arrangements for Sports Management students from my college to work as interns for the games. I AM waiting for the games to start--on TV; I'll be glued to the set.

Just have plenty of San Miguel....

You gonna deliver it???

[DrFU]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

8-8-08...

shoulda paid more attention to YOUR teachers, SJ!

[Maui Tom]

Linda:

Are you in freaking Bejing???????



You didn't mention this as part of the summer concert tour!!!!

Nah; wish I was. I was there 18 months ago and took that pic when my group visited Olympic headquarters. We were working on arrangements for Sports Management students from my college to work as interns for the games. I AM waiting for the games to start--on TV; I'll be glued to the set.

Just have plenty of San Miguel....

You gonna deliver it???

I'll sneak in thru the back door with it...

[DrFU]

Linda:

Are you in freaking Bejing???????



You didn't mention this as part of the summer concert tour!!!!

Nah; wish I was. I was there 18 months ago and took that pic when my group visited Olympic headquarters. We were working on arrangements for Sports Management students from my college to work as interns for the games. I AM waiting for the games to start--on TV; I'll be glued to the set.

Just have plenty of San Miguel....

You gonna deliver it???

I'll sneak in thru the back door with it...

Dude, you are really on the ball for 6:30 in the morning...

[Saint John]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

8-8-08...

shoulda paid more attention to YOUR teachers, SJ!

Admittedly, I was a shitty student. Thank God I act so mature now, though.

[yulog]

[Yeah...but they make a TON more than teachers do...it takes 20+ years to get to the $70K-$80/yr range in the teaching profession...you can step out off college in other fields and in some cases make that much .

A nurse in Pittsburgh right now steps out of school in a $25/hr job...long hours for sure, but they are well ahead of what a first year teach makes.

Baloney. My boyfriend just graduated with a surgical tech degree. After working the past two months for NOTHING while be does his clinicals, he'll be working 4, 12 hour days and every other weekend on call...making $32,000.

oops.


A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

[stevew2]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

8-8-08...

shoulda paid more attention to YOUR teachers, SJ!

Admittedly, I was a shitty student. Thank God I act so mature now, though.

I beleive that

[Saint John]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

8-8-08...

shoulda paid more attention to YOUR teachers, SJ!

Admittedly, I was a shitty student. Thank God I act so mature now, though.

I beleive that

Which part?

[Angiekay]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

LMAO...omg, Dan, you really DO live under a rock don't you?! All the time you spend on the internet, you never hit up a news or sport site?! They start TODAY, btw...

[stevew2]

Until you ladies just mentioned it I didn't even realize The Olympics are this year. When do they start?

8-8-08...

shoulda paid more attention to YOUR teachers, SJ!

Admittedly, I was a shitty student. Thank God I act so mature now, though.

I beleive that

Which part?

the shitty part lol

[Angiekay]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

[Saint John]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

Yulog seemed to be citing statistical accuracies and I don't see anywhere where it could be deduced that he had a "low view" of anyone.

[yulog]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

Actually thats not the case at all ,that would just be added to the list of duties of a nurse or nurses aide , like it was done many years ago. My point is That a person who has to go to school for 6 years should make more than someone who goes to 1-2 yrs, and i don't have a low view of them(i just stated the facts) ,maybe you have an unrealistically high view of him because hes your boyfriend.

[Angiekay]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

Yulog seemed to be citing statistical accuracies and I don't see anywhere where it could be deduced that he had a "low view" of anyone.

My point is that there are people who work longer hours for less pay then teachers with much less time off and vacation who are just as important to the general public. I got the vibe from some of the posts in this topic that some want to believe teachers are the workhorses of this country. They are definetly underpaid for what they do, but they are hardly at the top of the list.

[Angiekay]

,maybe you have an unrealistically high view of him because hes your boyfriend.

You'll be amused to know, that's completely the opposite

[ebake02]

you too can become a teacher. go back to school, pass the required exams and appy for your credential.

That's the other problem - Go through all the hurdles to become a teacher. We should make it easier for one to become a teacher. A lot of people in the private sector would not mind becoming teachers (at least just teach a class that they would specialize in i.e. chemist teaching a high school chemistry course). Instead, you have to take these additional courses and then get certified,etc. Real world experience is far better than anything you could learn in a book.

Although, not two of my favorite people, Newt Gingrich talked about this well and just recently I heard Jon McCain bring up something similiar.

This is why I don't don't want to teach. Between the kids, their parents and No Child Left Behind, there seems to be way to much stress involved with that profession.

[stevew2]

you too can become a teacher. go back to school, pass the required exams and appy for your credential.

That's the other problem - Go through all the hurdles to become a teacher. We should make it easier for one to become a teacher. A lot of people in the private sector would not mind becoming teachers (at least just teach a class that they would specialize in i.e. chemist teaching a high school chemistry course). Instead, you have to take these additional courses and then get certified,etc. Real world experience is far better than anything you could learn in a book.

Although, not two of my favorite people, Newt Gingrich talked about this well and just recently I heard Jon McCain bring up something similiar.

This is why I don't don't want to teach. Between the kids, their parents and No Child Left Behind, there seems to be way to much stress involved with that profession.

No Child left Behind was a joke

[Saint John]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

Yulog seemed to be citing statistical accuracies and I don't see anywhere where it could be deduced that he had a "low view" of anyone.

My point is that there are people who work longer hours for less pay then teachers with much less time off and vacation who are just as important to the general public. I got the vibe from some of the posts in this topic that some want to believe teachers are the workhorses of this country. They are definetly underpaid for what they do, but they are hardly at the top of the list.

I agree with everything but the "underpaid" part. When our atrocious test scores start going up I'll take the time to listen to that rhetoric. And I do understand that a major part of the problem is the parenting. It's an utter embarrassment how most parents in the inner cities take care of and teach their children. Some people simply don't realize how unfair it is to children to bring them up in an unloving and economically deprived home. It's really sad.

[StevePerryHair]

[Yeah...but they make a TON more than teachers do...it takes 20+ years to get to the $70K-$80/yr range in the teaching profession...you can step out off college in other fields and in some cases make that much .

A nurse in Pittsburgh right now steps out of school in a $25/hr job...long hours for sure, but they are well ahead of what a first year teach makes.

Baloney. My boyfriend just graduated with a surgical tech degree. After working the past two months for NOTHING while be does his clinicals, he'll be working 4, 12 hour days and every other weekend on call...making $32,000.

oops.


A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

And why is that? Cause I was a Medical Technologist (tech) and I had 4 years of college taking the same courses as the pre-med students were. I had to spend 12 months living at a hospital on rotations in the lab while taking very hard classes on not only the lab tests we would run, but what these tests are used to diagnose, what chemicals are in each test, etc. It was basically a mini-med school. In fact, you can enter straight into med school from that field. And we got and still get paid crap compared to other health field careers with even less education and much easier science courses. What is it about that "tech" word. Med Techs fall under the "pathology" part of a hospital, and I know people used to blame it on that. That the pathologists never fought hard enough for us to get what we deserved for our education and hard work. We are the workers that no one sees, so it's hard to be appreciated.

[FishinMagician]

Imagine if panhandlers wanted more money?You walk up to a begger, and put a dollar into his styrofoam cup. He takes it out, looks at it, and starts waxing about how the streets are more dangerous nowadays, and his 'job' is much harder now, and blah, blah, blah, about what he has to deal with....you gonna give him a five instead? Didn't think so......

happened to me in the dominican rep.

[AlteredDNA]

I'm self-employed, so if I start to hate my job, I've got issues.

I actually love what I do, as well as the benefits of working for myself. For me, they far out-weigh any negatives.

I think I've heard of your boss.....He's great!!!

I'll let him know you said so...

Thanks...

[Rick]

I'm a baggage handler at AA, nuff said.

Actually my job is pretty cool. I've got enough time out there that I can pretty much choose what I want to do. Be it work on a gate, in the bagroom, cargo, mail, stuff like that. Right now I'm the guy that goes on the planes and rips them apart looking for anything that shouldn't be there. We've been doing that since shortly after 9/11 and haven't found as much as a knitting needle. We just keep at it though. The velcro on those seats is getting so worn out that some day someone is going to sit down and just slide off into the floor.

If you're ever delayed and the reason is that there is a security check in progress, you can cuss me for that.

[Ehwmatt]

Five years of college, a bachelors degree and $50,000+ in student loans and I'm making $8 an hour in a shitty factory in the middle of nowhere. Embarrassing huh? I swear to god every day I spend there my IQ drops 10 points, half of the people that work there can barely do elementary school math. I guess that's what I get for picking a field that no company is interested in. Had a really bad day at work...can anybody tell.?

Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but I'm curious... what's your major? Because I know plenty of people in business/corporate america making decent to really good salaries just a few years out of school with all kinds of majors. Saying you picked a major that no company is interested in kinda sounds like a cop-out to me... did you do decently well in class? Did you shop yourself around? Attend career fairs? Try and make connections? etc etc...

I'm curious about your major and why you think no one would be interested in you...

[Sassie]

I'm a baggage handler at AA, nuff said.

Actually my job is pretty cool. I've got enough time out there that I can pretty much choose what I want to do. Be it work on a gate, in the bagroom, cargo, mail, stuff like that. Right now I'm the guy that goes on the planes and rips them apart looking for anything that shouldn't be there. We've been doing that since shortly after 9/11 and haven't found as much as a knitting needle. We just keep at it though. The velcro on those seats is getting so worn out that some day someone is going to sit down and just slide off into the floor.

If you're ever delayed and the reason is that there is a security check in progress, you can cuss me for that.

Now that I have a job where I travel I have to say I am glad you keep looking. Makes me feel safer.

[yulog]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

Yulog seemed to be citing statistical accuracies and I don't see anywhere where it could be deduced that he had a "low view" of anyone.

My point is that there are people who work longer hours for less pay then teachers with much less time off and vacation who are just as important to the general public. I got the vibe from some of the posts in this topic that some want to believe teachers are the workhorses of this country. They are definetly underpaid for what they do, but they are hardly at the top of the list.

I agree with you, theres plenty of other jobs where you physically work harder and get paid much less,or the work is more and the benefits are always worse, but its not anything we didnt know about going into it, we all knew how good the benefits were when becoming a teacher(this isn't the case in many states especially in the south).

It takes a special type of person to deal with children, its not for everyone, matter of fact its not for most ,and that is part of the reason there is such a high burnout rate

[yulog]

,maybe you have an unrealistically high view of him because hes your boyfriend.

You'll be amused to know, that's completely the opposite

[yulog]

A surgical tech is a low level position in a hospital ,most of those courses are between 1yr to 15 months, hardly equivalent to a teachers 4-6 years of education, and not at the same level as a nurses education either.Any job with the word tech or aide at the end of it is not going to pay well in the medical field.(unfortunate but that is reality)

Much like the teachers who have been speaking out here, I'm sure they appreciate your low view of them. He was actually in school for over 2yrs and again, much like the teachers here, if you had to use them and they weren't there, you'd be screwed.

Yulog seemed to be citing statistical accuracies and I don't see anywhere where it could be deduced that he had a "low view" of anyone.

My point is that there are people who work longer hours for less pay then teachers with much less time off and vacation who are just as important to the general public. I got the vibe from some of the posts in this topic that some want to believe teachers are the workhorses of this country. They are definetly underpaid for what they do, but they are hardly at the top of the list.

I agree with everything but the "underpaid" part. When our atrocious test scores start going up I'll take the time to listen to that rhetoric. And I do understand that a major part of the problem is the parenting. It's an utter embarrassment how most parents in the inner cities take care of and teach their children. Some people simply don't realize how unfair it is to children to bring them up in an unloving and economically deprived home. It's really sad.

I agree theres a huge epidemic in the U.S., the parenting skills today are in really bad shape.

[Ehwmatt]

Hence why some people smart up half-way into it and say "No, thanks, I'm fine." Go and have jobs they love and make great money! ...Like me.

Everyone wants to argue I'd have been better off finishing school, and sure, it'd have been nice. But in comparison with my peers who just graduated and are now starting their life out in deep debt, I feel smarter. I'm further along in my career (having a few years' head start), have zero debt, and some of them are floundering in the real world with crappy ass jobs. I know one guy who had to work at an IHOP and a toll-booth just to make it, and he graduated from UVa!! Another friend went to a private school outside LA (120,000 in loans) and took him 5 years to find a decent job! No thanks, college, I do fine without ya.

That being said... my job is wicked awesome.

We've all heard the horror stories like that... people graduating from great schools and working jobs that a high school dropout could qualify for. College is definitely an investment. And like any other investment, risk is there. But, there's only a handful of jobs I can think of that someone without at least a 2-year associate's degree could honestly support a family of four on... (yourself, a spouse, and 2 kids... more or less an average nuclear family I guess?).

I know my friends that have dropped out of college are working hard and making decent money, but they are all single, and in some cases, still living at home. And there's no way in hell they are saving money and planning for their (and their potential family's) financial futures. They just don't make enough to set aside and still cover the expenses they have. Even the ones still living off of their parents still have car bills to pay for, school loans to keep paying off despite dropping out, etc. I'm worried about some of my friends that elected not to finish college... it's becoming harder and harder to live today and it always pays to be more qualified.

I couldn't have been more thrilled when my best friend told me he's returning to finish undergrad... really smart guy who should not be working the job he's working the rest of his life... I don't know, to me it's smart to get a degree of some kind, even if it's from an inexpensive/less prestigious school. Especially if you started on your way to one.

As an addendum to the people you know, well they shouldn't have gone somewhere they would have to take out that much in loans to go to. There's still relatively cheap alternatives in this world of absurdly inflating college costs. Cleveland State, for example, here in Cleveland, is very reasonable. Not the most academically prestigious in the world, but a college that won't break the bank and will get you a diploma. Even 4 years worth of full loans to Cleveland State wouldn't be crippling.


And as for the teacher's debate. I see both sides of the coin.

My sister is studying to be a high school Spanish and English teacher right now, and she's certain of two things: Nobody gets rich doing it, and it's not an easy job. She's not real mature or worldly wise yet, but if she can know that, then anybody who's a teacher should have known that long before they entered their profession. I don't like teachers acting like they have the hardest job in the world, it's just not even close. Simple fact.

On the other hand, it's a hard job. Dealing with parents and children is a sticky affair. Patience must come in spades.

So to the people denigrating the profession and its challenges: Fuck off.

And to the people acting like they have it harder than the president: Fuck off.

Good day