Edwards Admits Sexual Affair; Lied as Presidential Candidate

[Ehwmatt]

While I think he is a scumbag, it now appears that Mrs. Edwards participated in the 'cover up' and condoned his moving forward with a Presidential campaign that would never have taken place had the public known that he had cheated, and then repeatedly lied about it. While I am very sympathetic to her situation, I also think she should share some of the 'hypocrisy' charges. Any criticism of her will not go far due to her condition. But at least in my mind, I do not hold her in as high regard as I had previously.

You do have to wonder about something like that. But, who knows the stress this could have taken on her back then had she been the one to break it. Who knows the kind of stress it's really causing her right now. The lady's fuckin dying, I'm sure being PC and 110% ethical (it's her husband's secret, not hers, after all) would be the last thing on my mind in her shoes.

Not to mention this could have been the first she REALLY knew of it and is simply covering for him politically and saving what little, little face he has left.

Fuckin ambulance chaser.

[Onestepper]

While I think he is a scumbag, it now appears that Mrs. Edwards participated in the 'cover up' and condoned his moving forward with a Presidential campaign that would never have taken place had the public known that he had cheated, and then repeatedly lied about it. While I am very sympathetic to her situation, I also think she should share some of the 'hypocrisy' charges. Any criticism of her will not go far due to her condition. But at least in my mind, I do not hold her in as high regard as I had previously.

You do have to wonder about something like that. But, who knows the stress this could have taken on her back then had she been the one to break it. Who knows the kind of stress it's really causing her right now. The lady's fuckin dying, I'm sure being PC and 110% ethical (it's her husband's secret, not hers, after all) would be the last thing on my mind in her shoes.

Not to mention this could have been the first she REALLY knew of it and is simply covering for him politically and saving what little, little face he has left.

Fuckin ambulance chaser.

She released a statement last night on a liberal blog (can't recall which one) that said she knew in 06 and she was glad the 'secret was out'. As I said, she is going to get sympathy from most due to what she has gone through, and is currently going through. I feel for her. Just don't think as far as the cover up, that it is solely him to blame for that piece. Let's also not forget that the woman he cheated with knew he was a married man, and I don't see any criticism of her as well.

[SteveForever]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

[X factor]

I'm just saying that for all the religious yakking that goes on in this place, some of you don't seem to walk the walk very well. I seem to remember a few passages about not passing judgement in that good book.

That's not what the Bible says at all. The verse most people quote in this situation is "Judge not lest ye be judged". However, that verse, taken in context, is not saying that people should judge but that they shouldn't judge hypocritically.

Umm, I believe "JUDGE NOT THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" is pretty clear here. Various faiths and doctorines interpret this different ways. But just to clarify, the hypocracy of such a judgement is exactly what I'm talking about. We all live in glass houses (conservatives too, believe it or not!) and perhaps we'd all be better served worrying about our own foibles.

[Onestepper]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

[conversationpc]

Umm, I believe "JUDGE NOT THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" is pretty clear here. Various faiths and doctorines interpret this different ways. But just to clarify, the hypocracy of such a judgement is exactly what I'm talking about. We all live in glass houses (conservatives too, believe it or not!) and perhaps we'd all be better served worrying about our own foibles.

You're wrong. The entire passage is about not judging hypocritically, not that people should not judge at all. There are no two ways to interpret the passage. The passage is clear when taken in context. There's not a thing wrong with saying that what Edwards did was wrong and disgusting unless I am also guilty of the same kind of thing.

Self-righteous politicians like Edwards put themselves in these situations and he is now experiencing the "measured to you again" portion of the scripture you quoted.

[conversationpc]

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

Unbelievable. One of the worst things a human being can do to another is for a person to cheat on their spouse.

[SteveForever]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

[Onestepper]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

You also said you'd give him a pass because of what HE's been through, and that he shouldn't have to live up to everyone's expectations...even though HE brought all of them on. Don't dodge half of what you stated. You know it's Bullshit.

[SteveForever]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

You also said you'd give him a pass because of what HE's been through, and that he shouldn't have to live up to everyone's expectations...even though HE brought all of them on. Don't dodge half of what you stated. You know it's Bullshit.

listen jerk, I didn't say he shouldn't have to live up, I said its incredibly hard to live up....go back and read,
I'm giving him a pass for being human.

[Onestepper]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

You also said you'd give him a pass because of what HE's been through, and that he shouldn't have to live up to everyone's expectations...even though HE brought all of them on. Don't dodge half of what you stated. You know it's Bullshit.

listen jerk, I didn't say he shouldn't have to live up, I said its incredibly hard to live up....go back and read,
I'm giving him a pass for being human.

First of all I'm not going to get into name calling. You made excuses for the guy. Whatever, it's your belief system. You go on about your bad self. And per your PM to me, I'm not Dean. If I were, you'd be on the ground bleeding by now.

[SteveForever]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

You also said you'd give him a pass because of what HE's been through, and that he shouldn't have to live up to everyone's expectations...even though HE brought all of them on. Don't dodge half of what you stated. You know it's Bullshit.

listen jerk, I didn't say he shouldn't have to live up, I said its incredibly hard to live up....go back and read,
I'm giving him a pass for being human.

First of all I'm not going to get into name calling. You made excuses for the guy. Whatever, it's your belief system. You go on about your bad self. And per your PM to me, I'm not Dean. If I were, you'd be on the ground bleeding by now.

say what? dude, get over yourself....I have no clue what you are even ranting on about...
Edwards is a twat, but he had an affair while his wife was ill for years, many do.....he's admitted his mistakes
now what more do you want from him?
we all know politicians and evangelists aren't who they pretend to be....chill...

[Onestepper]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

You also said you'd give him a pass because of what HE's been through, and that he shouldn't have to live up to everyone's expectations...even though HE brought all of them on. Don't dodge half of what you stated. You know it's Bullshit.

listen jerk, I didn't say he shouldn't have to live up, I said its incredibly hard to live up....go back and read,
I'm giving him a pass for being human.

First of all I'm not going to get into name calling. You made excuses for the guy. Whatever, it's your belief system. You go on about your bad self. And per your PM to me, I'm not Dean. If I were, you'd be on the ground bleeding by now.

say what? dude, get over yourself....I have no clue what you are even ranting on about...
Edwards is a twat, but he had an affair while his wife was ill for years, many do.....he's admitted his mistakes
now what more do you want from him?
we all know politicians and evangelists aren't who they pretend to be....chill...

You are the one sending PM's dude, not me.

[SteveForever]

Its too bad he lied to the cameras about all of it, but.....

how incredibly hard it must be to live up to everyone's standards being in the public eye all the time
and being married to someone very ill for years and years takes its toll on the body heart and soul...
he's a relatively young man and he has needs just like all of us, I say he gets a pass....

I believe there are plenty of people that face very difficult adversity and don't lie and cheat. I'd read his statement, particularly the part about him feeling superior and narcissistic, before you go giving him a pass for having to live up to everyone's standards.

like I said, he shouldn't have lied...but he's human and he stumbled...and now he's admitted it to the world...

You also said you'd give him a pass because of what HE's been through, and that he shouldn't have to live up to everyone's expectations...even though HE brought all of them on. Don't dodge half of what you stated. You know it's Bullshit.

listen jerk, I didn't say he shouldn't have to live up, I said its incredibly hard to live up....go back and read,
I'm giving him a pass for being human.

First of all I'm not going to get into name calling. You made excuses for the guy. Whatever, it's your belief system. You go on about your bad self. And per your PM to me, I'm not Dean. If I were, you'd be on the ground bleeding by now.

say what? dude, get over yourself....I have no clue what you are even ranting on about...
Edwards is a twat, but he had an affair while his wife was ill for years, many do.....he's admitted his mistakes
now what more do you want from him?
we all know politicians and evangelists aren't who they pretend to be....chill...

You are the one sending PM's dude, not me.

wannabe....

[7 Wishes]

I wonder how many people in this glass house forum are casting stones...

[X factor]

Umm, I believe "JUDGE NOT THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" is pretty clear here. Various faiths and doctorines interpret this different ways. But just to clarify, the hypocracy of such a judgement is exactly what I'm talking about. We all live in glass houses (conservatives too, believe it or not!) and perhaps we'd all be better served worrying about our own foibles.

You're wrong. The entire passage is about not judging hypocritically, not that people should not judge at all. There are no two ways to interpret the passage. The passage is clear when taken in context. There's not a thing wrong with saying that what Edwards did was wrong and disgusting unless I am also guilty of the same kind of thing.

Self-righteous politicians like Edwards put themselves in these situations and he is now experiencing the "measured to you again" portion of the scripture you quoted.

No, I'm NOT wrong. How dare you question my, or anyone elses, interpretation of the scripture? I believe that,my friend, is vanity. And , incidentally, I AM talking about judging hypocritically, which if you had bother trying to read my post you'd understand!

[whirlwind]

Yeah, he's human but why run for the presidency under the circumstances? How could he have tried with that in his recent past?

[conversationpc]

No, I'm NOT wrong. How dare you question my, or anyone elses, interpretation of the scripture?

So it's okay for you to question mine then? Isn't this kind of thing, hypocrisy, what we were talking about in the first place?

[Onestepper]

No, I'm NOT wrong. How dare you question my, or anyone elses, interpretation of the scripture?

So it's okay for you to question mine then? Isn't this kind of thing, hypocrisy, what we were talking about in the first place?

There will be no logic in this place. That would be way too much to expect.

[Barb]

John Edwards volunteered to take a paternity test knowing full well the mother would never consent to it. So this just in.... a lawyer for the mistress has stated she will NOT allow a paternity test. That chick is just waiting for his wife to die so she can move into the role of Mrs. John Edwards.

[7 Wishes]

Barb, if this had been a cheating Republican, like Gingrich (who cheated on his cancer-ridden wife with a fellow college professor), would you be as hateful and accusatory? What "Family Values" Newt did was NO different AT ALL from what Edwards did. Gingrich was running for higher office, attempted to cover it up, and then denied it at first (even though the facts were known to be true per his court testimony). The only difference is that Edwards attempted to reconcile with his wife, whereas Newt proceeded with the divorce even though his wife had less than a 25% chance of survival.

[X factor]

No, I'm NOT wrong. How dare you question my, or anyone elses, interpretation of the scripture?

So it's okay for you to question mine then? Isn't this kind of thing, hypocrisy, what we were talking about in the first place?

There will be no logic in this place. That would be way too much to expect.

Point taken, but I never said "You're wrong"- I said it was my interpretation. If you took what I said as questioning your interpretation, then I apologize, as that wasn't my intent.

Obviously, we both have our own opinions on this. Ah well, such is the melodicrock life!


And yes...onestepper...logic IS way too much to be expected around here. You new to these parts or what?

[Barb]

Barb, if this had been a cheating Republican, like Gingrich (who cheated on his cancer-ridden wife with a fellow college professor), would you be as hateful and accusatory? What "Family Values" Newt did was NO different AT ALL from what Edwards did. Gingrich was running for higher office, attempted to cover it up, and then denied it at first (even though the facts were known to be true per his court testimony). The only difference is that Edwards attempted to reconcile with his wife, whereas Newt proceeded with the divorce even though his wife had less than a 25% chance of survival.

You bet your ass I would. I think Newt Gingrich is just as loathsome as Edwards. Scumbag behavior is scumbag behavior and I don't care which party it's attached to. I think you knew the answer to this before you posted it, but wanted some reason to bring up Newt Gingrich and say "see, he's a Republican and he's even WORSE." I'm not a partisan and don't care about that angle.

[7 Wishes]

No, I really didn't know what your reply would be. But I have a deeper respect for you now.

It does seem to me that more Democrats have been caught up in these scandals in recent years than Republicans. Rumors of both Bushes' lovers notwithstanding.

[conversationpc]

No, I'm NOT wrong. How dare you question my, or anyone elses, interpretation of the scripture?

So it's okay for you to question mine then? Isn't this kind of thing, hypocrisy, what we were talking about in the first place?

There will be no logic in this place. That would be way too much to expect.

Point taken, but I never said "You're wrong"- I said it was my interpretation. If you took what I said as questioning your interpretation, then I apologize, as that wasn't my intent.

Obviously, we both have our own opinions on this. Ah well, such is the melodicrock life!


And yes...onestepper...logic IS way too much to be expected around here. You new to these parts or what?

Yeah, this has gone too far. My apologies.

[RossValoryRocks]

No, I really didn't know what your reply would be. But I have a deeper respect for you now.

It does seem to me that more Democrats have been caught up in these scandals in recent years than Republicans. Rumors of both Bushes' lovers notwithstanding.

Who?? Barbara??? America's Granny? Sorry couldn't resist...


Now to the real point...Which Bushes are you refering to???

[Barb]

Looks like the next big scandal is going to Bush and the olympic athletes!

[7 Wishes]

Who could blame him? I can't think of a better woman to crush my ears than a volleyballer.

[Barb]

Then May-Treanor turned her back to the president, offering her bikinied rear for one of the traditional slaps that volleyball players frequently give each other.

"Mr. President, want to?" she asked, repeating an offer she made when Bush gave a pep talk to the U.S. athletes before Friday's opening ceremonies.

Bush smilingly gave a flick with the back of his hand to the small of her back instead.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080809/D92EQ1S02.html


Oh my.

[Saint John]

You know what? Fuck Edwards' wife too. She let that scumbag husband of hers run for office knowing what he did and sat idly by as he lied to the American people as a presidential candidate. She aided and abetted him as he tried to get into the White House as a liar. I wish her a full and speedy recovery somehow, but she's not exactly the epitome of class, either. She should have outed that son of a bitch and NEVER let him run for office with that skeleton in his closet. He was repeatedly asked about that affair and lied and said it was "completely false." She should have left that scumbag when she found out that it was a TWO YEAR relationship. She didn't and he cheated on her again...good.