Classic Rock Radio switching out JOURNEY GH for NEW !

[separate_wayz]

Drop the Perry/Schon wars for a second here...

It is over 10 years now since Perry was the singer for Journey...

He has moved on...so did the rest of the band...

Here is the question for the day: They rerecorded the music, it is Journey, don't they have the right to put the music out there to be heard, and doesn't Neal have the right to put whatever version of the songs on his MySpace??? Lets look at this a second, Perry had the right to go back and redo all the albums he was a part of as he saw fit didn't he? Fair is fair isn't it?

I completely agree. And some of the re-records are IMHO better than the orginal recordings, or at least are a perfectly fine alternate version (like the new "Wheel in the Sky", with the extended ending added).

I'm not fond of the re-record of "Separate Ways" (in part, to be fair, because of the keyboards and guitar parts). But the live 'Revelation' DVD version of "Separate Ways" is smokin' hot. Neil should add that to his website.

[AlienC]

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You'd like to think you struck a nerve, I can just tell you, you've just proved you REALLY don't know what the hell you are talking about.

As for YOU, you can just drop the "sexist" part.

*Smooch*

You played the 'sex card' first by correcting my choice of the masculine pronoun in a casual reference where gender wasn't a point of contention originally.
That you perceive my use of semantics as sexist is illustrative of you alone.
Being coy doesn't relieve you of answering a question directly put to you nor does it distance oneself from that island of sexism you seem so bent on casting me onto.
That may have worked when you were 3 , but not so well on an anonymous forum where we are assuming you're really an adult, and female, and actually have a job in a radio station, just as you make assumptions of me, regardless of their basis in fact.

I'll admit the Radio Business may have morphed since I was last in a radio studio (1976), but I remember who calls the shots, that every PD has a boss, unless that PD also owns the station, then his only boss is his advertisers and The FCC. The autonomy you allude to is only present in college or pirate radio.
What else do you think I need to know? (Assuming you can keep to the topic)

[Angiekay]

You played the 'sex card' first by correcting my choice of the masculine pronoun in a casual reference where gender wasn't a point of contention originally.
That you perceive my use of semantics as sexist is illustrative of you alone.

WTF was THAT?! The only thing I guess I really need to know is what color your pocket protector is.

Again, if you really KNEW what you are talking about, it might be an interesting conversation. As it is, you are a serious waste of my time...over and OUT!

[AlienC]

Since it needs to be laid out for you...

You played the 'sex card' first by correcting my choice of the masculine pronoun in a casual reference where gender wasn't a point of contention originally.
That you perceive my use of semantics as sexist is illustrative of you alone.

WTF was THAT?! The only thing I guess I really need to know is what color your pocket protector is.

Again, if you really KNEW what you are talking about, it might be an interesting conversation. As it is, you are a serious waste of my time...over and OUT!

I can't believe that ANY Program Director in America would EVER play re-records for ANY band.

Someone needs to kick these Program Directors in their collective ass, and remind them of just what "classic rock" is! There is nothing "classic" about something that was recorded 17 minutes ago


John from Boston

Agreed.[b] I was telling my pd about this and he absolutely laughed his ass off and said, "NO, way in hell....EVER" and then of course added, "Especially, Journey!" lmao!!

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YEah, right. That changes 2 seconds after his boss calls and tells him to do otherwise.
There is no such thing as "integrity"in RADIO, who you trying to kid?

Integrity would be playing the ORGINALS not something trying to pass for something else. I can guarentee you IF our "boss" DID have a say in what we play, she(yes, I said SHE)would put the stops on this impersonating in the first place.

Since you *seem* to know so much about radio I'll tell you in our "corporate world" of 700 stations we are top ten billing in an unrated market. They don't tell us shit.

A waste of time would be replying without answering the questions posed to you, in which case you are correct, for every time I've asked a question or you've made a declarative statement, you've failed to respond beyond an off-hand "because I said so", or deflecting to something entirely unrelated ....... such as obfuscating the discussion with the "sex card".

Why was it necessary to point out the PD's boss is a woman? That is the playing of the sex card to which I refer. Gender is irrelevant to the issue being discussed, unless you choose to make it one, which you did, then play dumb about, and refuse to engage in an explanation of one's position.
You say I don't know shit about how a real life radio station works (hyuck , hyuck) yet won't elucidate beyond asserting one's superiority in a manner akin to sandbox behavior.
Why is it you won't discuss the dichotomy raised between my contention that everyone has a boss they answer to / market forces effect change = $ > integrity, and your claim to be immune to those forces that could force a veteran like Imus off the air and apparently, affect a change in the tracks being played by other stations?

If you know so much, why is it you refuse to answer these simple questions, get defensive and resort to calling names ?
Being defensive is ok , just why is it you feel so strongly that way?

Do you really believe your own hype?
And why do you insist on making personal attacks on me? What have I ever done to you to deserve this sort of buillshit?

[edcha]

They played a Journey song. It was by Journey. Anyone think I'm not making sense here?

I read you Rick, loud and clear.

I would say----"ROGER" on that, too, G-bot and Rick!

I fully understand that the loons hate to hear the re-records. I have a very strong feeling that that will never change.

That said, I believe it is important to realize (even if some could not possibly accept it!) that American freedom covers the airwaves, too.

Much like the internet---nobody really owns the airwaves! Both are inclusive and open. Anybody is free to access/read or not to access/not to read the internet and anybody
is free to listen or not to listen over the airwaves. Everybody has that personal option. And anybody who has the resources can put practically
anything in the internet and in the airwaves for the world to see/listen to---except of course for illegal stuff and subversive materials that could threaten national security.

For any one who may not like some stuff that are out there (like the re-records)---for sure, there's another one who likes and enjoys them!
I'm not really sure who are the majority...but that's beside the point!

MY POINT IS:

Can we be open-minded, and respect each other--by giving each one the chance and freedom to enjoy or not to enjoy something of each one's own choosing? Your needs and wants are definitely different from those of other people's. As they say, "live and let live!" Life is really short, guys and gals!---as evidenced by the recent passing away of popular people reported elsewhere in this forum!

[wednesday's child]

I fully understand that the loons hate to hear the re-records. I have a very strong feeling that that will never change.

It isn't just the 'loons', though.

I'm a Journey fan, but I'm not really a fan of Steve Perry.
I'm also just ecstatic about Arnel Pineda's vocal ability.
I think the world of Arnel, and can think of no better singer for Journey today.
I pray he conserves his ability, and fully realizes his potential.

I'm however not very happy about the IDEA of the (Revelation) GH retreads.
Even when I try to approach those songs without this bias, I find that only a handful of them
come even close to comparing with the quality of the originals. Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

If I want to recall my high-school/early-college days, I'm better served by the actual
songs I heard back then. It has NOTHING to do with how good Arnel is, nor does it
necessarily hinge on how much like Perry he can sound.

Obviously, memory-lane listening isn't all there is to these retreads, and for those
redos that make the grade quality-wise, they are a refreshing variation on the
well-known classics.


JM2.


-fulowoa

[ttango1]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

[edcha]

I fully understand that the loons hate to hear the re-records. I have a very strong feeling that that will never change.

It isn't just the 'loons', though.
...
I'm however not very happy about the IDEA of the (Revelation) GH retreads.
Even when I try to approach those songs without this bias, I find that only a handful of them
come even close to comparing with the quality of the originals. Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

If I want to recall my high-school/early-college days, I'm better served by the actual
songs I heard back then. It has NOTHING to do with how good Arnel is, nor does it
necessarily hinge on how much like Perry he can sound.

Obviously, memory-lane listening isn't all there is to these retreads, and for those
redos that make the grade quality-wise, they are a refreshing variation on the
well-known classics.


JM2.


-fulowoa

Wech, I don 't have any problem with the points you raised above--that's your own personal assessment and preference. Likewise, I don't have any problem with other people's own preferences---loons and non-loons included. The problem arises when some people start acting like they "own" something that is actually not exclusively---much less legally, theirs. The point I would like to stress is: Everyone has the right and privilege to play/promote or listen or not listen to the original, the-recorded, the re-cycled (or whatever name people may call it) music---without any apprehension at all. In other words, the original-music lovers can have their space; the re-recorded music listeners can have theirs;and those who like both should have their own space! Everybody's happy...problem solved!

I believe it's not really too hard to understand why some radio stations---using basic, common business sense---are trying to cater to the needs of all market segments. That is simply their unassailable prerogative. In business, you've got to please as many potential customers as possible. It is good practice; and it matters to the bottom line!

[edcha]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

....In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

Cool down, ttango1! I have a weird feeling that some people with common sense are beginning to get it (albeit very,very slowly!).

[jourmapac]

me being somewhere in the Sahara, I would be lucky to hear any version Journey on the airwaves ...

some guys just have all the luck

[Michigan Girl]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

You go ttango~ I feel the exact same way about the classics...freedom of choice, eh!!

[edcha]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

You go ttango~ I feel the exact same way about the classics...freedom of choice, eh!!

MG, I feel the exact same way about the classics, AND the new songs and the re-records! Total freedom of choice!!! I hope people have no problem with that!

[Michigan Girl]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

You go ttango~ I feel the exact same way about the classics...freedom of choice, eh!!

MG, I feel the exact same way about the classics AND the re-records! I hope people have no problem with that!

YOU GO EDCHA!!!!

[edcha]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

You go ttango~ I feel the exact same way about the classics...freedom of choice, eh!!

MG, I feel the exact same way about the classics AND the re-records! I hope people have no problem with that!

YOU GO EDCHA!!!!

Thx. Now, we're talking! But where's the cheerleading girls' pic?

[Michigan Girl]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

You go ttango~ I feel the exact same way about the classics...freedom of choice, eh!!

MG, I feel the exact same way about the classics AND the re-records! I hope people have no problem with that!

YOU GO EDCHA!!!!

Thx. Now, we're talking! But where's the cheerleading girls' pic?

LOL..Look in the TRIBUTE to The UPCOMING FOOTBALL SEASON THREAD!!! I think you'll like the Michigan Girls!!!!

[edcha]

Those handful of songs that
do make the grade nevertheless seem awkward on programming that is in large part geared
towards the "memory-lane" listener:

My only point about this is that had Journey decided to do them again with SP(had his voice been capable), most people wouldn't have taken offense to that. It's like George Lucas using computers to enhance his story line on ALL THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FLICKS, no one really bitched about that(cept' for when they replaced Old Anakin with younger Anakin)

In contrast to that, the band, for whatever reason THEY deem important, whether it be Wal-Mart, or an attempt to change the royalty structure, what have you...it's within their right to do so just like it's within our right to like the re-records or not.

I like them but I love that I can listen to the classics too. In the world of the internet, I don't need a program director be gestapo like and tell me what I should listen to. Fuck that old line of thinking.

I'm my own got damn program director on my music and I say the re-records get played whenever the hell I feel like it

You go ttango~ I feel the exact same way about the classics...freedom of choice, eh!!

MG, I feel the exact same way about the classics AND the re-records! I hope people have no problem with that!

YOU GO EDCHA!!!!

Thx. Now, we're talking! But where's the cheerleading girls' pic?

LOL..Look in the TRIBUTE to The UPCOMING FOOTBALL SEASON THREAD!!! I think you'll like the Michigan Girls!!!!

Gosh! How could I have missed that! Awesome!!!
BTW... MG, are you #1 from the left or from the right?!

[The Sushi Hunter]

:shock:
Seriously, today I was listening to 96.9 The Eagle in Sacramento and they played an Arnel Version and just called it "JOURNEY" with no addendum during the song ID.
Believe me , I know the difference between an Original Version and an Arnel Version, and it was spooky how close it was.
Anyone else hear a new version played on radio?

Up until last Saturday morning, I still haven't heard an Arnel fronted classic Journey tune played on the radio. Every time I hear a Journey classic, I pause and listen to see if it's Arnel, but nope, they just play the SP recordings. Last Saturday morning I stopped in to get a bagel somewhere near 8th and Howard Streets in San Francisco and on the radio was a classic Journey tune playing with SP. I'm not bent or anything about it cause I know SP will always be. I just can't wait until I'm somewhere and hear ol' Arnel playing over the radio...in America! LOL....finally!

But like most of you are mentioning, radio most likely will never play the rerecordings, because all of us pretty much know they aren't quite the same not being song by SP, and that's the vocalist we remember these songs by. But the younger generation is a completely different situation though. They may prefer hearing AP on the classics, if AP is the first person they heard singing them.

And be cool with Angiekay.... I hardly ever get pissed at chicks, matter of fact, I kiss chick's asses, literally, just ask my wife. I love kissing that ass every night before bed time. Like a nice hot batch of half baked chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven....Mmmmm the other thing I just love to eat right before bed.