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Postby Pacfanweb » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:17 am

Okay, Cheap Trick was good, only had time to do their hits, pretty much.

Journey was good, sounded tight. New kid can really sing. Impressive. Only thing I didn't care for was the way the setlist was arranged. Too much new stuff all together, too many extended jams at the end of songs, and the ending was boring. Long blues jam at the beginning of Lovin',Touchin', and ridiculously long jam at the end of it, too. Weak closer, IMO. Everyone was leaving en masse. Couldn't believe they did DSB so early on. But other than that, they were good. Just didn't have much flow to the set, IMO.

And now for the point of my post: HEART.

First off, Ann Wilson still has a freaking amazing voice.
Second, I still think Nancy is hot. (and told my wife that, too ;) )

Third: They covered "Love Reign O'er Me" by The Who. I hadn't heard they did it, but DAMN. That's the best that song has been done live since Roger Daltrey still had a voice back in the 70's. Unbelievable. Almost makes me forget about Pearl Jam's butchering of the song.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:21 am

Closing shows with LTS is deplorable. That song is absolutely terrible.
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Re: Raleigh, NC Show 8/10

Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:23 am

Pacfanweb wrote:Okay, Cheap Trick was good, only had time to do their hits, pretty much.

Journey was good, sounded tight. New kid can really sing. Impressive. Only thing I didn't care for was the way the setlist was arranged. Too much new stuff all together, too many extended jams at the end of songs, and the ending was boring. Long blues jam at the beginning of Lovin',Touchin', and ridiculously long jam at the end of it, too. Weak closer, IMO. Everyone was leaving en masse. Couldn't believe they did DSB so early on. But other than that, they were good. Just didn't have much flow to the set, IMO.

And now for the point of my post: HEART.

First off, Ann Wilson still has a freaking amazing voice.

Second, I still think Nancy is hot. (and told my wife that, too ;) )

Third: They covered "Love Reign O'er Me" by The Who. I hadn't heard they did it, but DAMN. That's the best that song has been done live since Roger Daltrey still had a voice back in the 70's. Unbelievable. Almost makes me forget about Pearl Jam's butchering of the song.


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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:25 am

Saint John wrote:Closing shows with LTS is deplorable. That song is absolutely terrible.


:evil:

No. Its not. BUT... I say it has no place in their current setlist, opener, closer, or otherwise.

Get that song out of there, boys.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:26 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Saint John wrote:Closing shows with LTS is deplorable. That song is absolutely terrible.


:evil:

No. Its not. BUT... I say it has no place in their current setlist, opener, closer, or otherwise.

Get that song out of there, boys.


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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:31 am

Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Saint John wrote:Closing shows with LTS is deplorable. That song is absolutely terrible.


:evil:

No. Its not. BUT... I say it has no place in their current setlist, opener, closer, or otherwise.

Get that song out of there, boys.


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Postby Saint John » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:34 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Saint John wrote:Closing shows with LTS is deplorable. That song is absolutely terrible.


:evil:

No. Its not. BUT... I say it has no place in their current setlist, opener, closer, or otherwise.

Get that song out of there, boys.


-1 hour of sleep for BJG in Cleveland. Keep it up. :lol: :twisted:


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You're lucky that this trip is in September. My swampass will be all but gone by then. :cry: But fear not...I'll find an equally disgusting way to gross you out. I have something in mind as I type this. :lol: :shock: :twisted:
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Postby Rhiannon » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:36 am

NO UPPER DECKERS! :evil:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:49 am

Rhiannon wrote:NO UPPER DECKERS! :evil:


I don't even want to know. :(
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Postby Saint John » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:59 am

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Rhiannon wrote:NO UPPER DECKERS! :evil:


I don't even want to know. :(


It's when you shit in the upper portion of the toilet tank. That's far too nice for my taste. :shock: :twisted: :lol:
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Postby epresley » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:00 am

Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:NO UPPER DECKERS! :evil:


I don't even want to know. :(


It's when you shit in the upper portion of the toilet tank. That's far too nice for my taste. :shock: :twisted: :lol:


I DID NOT need to know that! :shock:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:05 am

Saint John wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:NO UPPER DECKERS! :evil:


I don't even want to know. :(


It's when you shit in the upper portion of the toilet tank. That's far too nice for my taste. :shock: :twisted: :lol:


Note to self: never disclose hotel name or room number.

Addendum to note to self: bring along every single version of "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'" ever recorded and play them on loop all fucking weekend. There. Buffer zone established. :twisted:
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Re: Raleigh, NC Show 8/10

Postby Enigma869 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:10 am

Pacfanweb wrote: First off, Ann Wilson still has a freaking amazing voice.


No argument from me. I've always thought Ann Wilson was an amazing vocalist. That chick hits Perry notes :shock:


Pacfanweb wrote: Second, I still think Nancy is hot. (and told my wife that, too ;) )



Okay...here is where we part ways. Nancy Wilson is "hot"???? I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say you're over the age of 40 and wear glasses (or are in dire need of them) :shock: :shock: :shock: Nancy is a rocking chick, but "hot" is just INSANE! Hey...look at the bright side...there won't be a whole lot of guys competeing with you for Nancy's affections :lol:


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Postby Pacfanweb » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:52 am

Easy, now. Maybe I should have said, "for her age". She's still a good looking woman. And yes, I'm over 40.

And come on, Ann hits "Perry notes"? Perry in his prime could never hit some of the notes Ann hits NOW.

Just not comparing apples to apples there.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:57 am

Pacfanweb wrote:Easy, now. Maybe I should have said, "for her age". She's still a good looking woman. And yes, I'm over 40.

And come on, Ann hits "Perry notes"? Perry in his prime could never hit some of the notes Ann hits NOW.

Just not comparing apples to apples there.


Oh, I definitely think it's Apples to Apples in this case!!! :wink:
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:20 am

Pacfanweb wrote: Easy, now. Maybe I should have said, "for her age".


Different strokes for different folks, dude! She's okay for an old battle axe, but not remotely "hot"!

Pacfanweb wrote: And yes, I'm over 40.


As someone who is rapidly closing in on 40, I knew that :shock:

Pacfanweb wrote: And come on, Ann hits "Perry notes"?


That's what I said! Let us not forget that Perry isn't a chick and hit notes most chicks couldn't hit to save their lives!

Pacfanweb wrote: Perry in his prime could never hit some of the notes Ann hits NOW.


There are no words to convey what a moronic statement this is! If you truly believe that, then you know absolutely NOTHING about Perry, in his prime. There was NOBODY (man, woman, or beast) who could touch that dude, in his prime....NOBODY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4


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Postby finalfight » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:20 am

Pacfanweb wrote:Easy, now. Maybe I should have said, "for her age". She's still a good looking woman. And yes, I'm over 40.

And come on, Ann hits "Perry notes"? Perry in his prime could never hit some of the notes Ann hits NOW.

Just not comparing apples to apples there.


Keep listening to 'These Dreams' chief but remember as nice as it is to dream you have to wake up and smell the coffee at some point.
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Postby scarygirl » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:32 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote: Easy, now. Maybe I should have said, "for her age".


Different strokes for different folks, dude! She's okay for an old battle axe, but not remotely "hot"!

Pacfanweb wrote: And yes, I'm over 40.


As someone who is rapidly closing in on 40, I knew that :shock:

Pacfanweb wrote: And come on, Ann hits "Perry notes"?


That's what I said! Let us not forget that Perry isn't a chick and hit notes most chicks couldn't hit to save their lives!

Pacfanweb wrote: Perry in his prime could never hit some of the notes Ann hits NOW.


There are no words to convey what a moronic statement this is! If you truly believe that, then you know absolutely NOTHING about Perry, in his prime. There was NOBODY (man, woman, or beast) who could touch that dude, in his prime....NOBODY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4




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Different strokes for different folks, dude! She's okay for an old battle axe, but not remotely "hot"!


And what pray tell become of old drunken lecherous men who need help to pee once they pass 40? A woman staying with that is doing the bidding of angels. Heck, roughly 70 percent of the male population was never pretty to begin with even in their prime.

NOTHING about Perry, in his prime. There was NOBODY (man, woman, or beast) who could touch that dude, in his prime....NOBODY!


Hey though, at least you got that right. :lol:
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Postby kgdjpubs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:17 am

yep, pretty good assessment. Cheap Trick did well with what they had to work with, and Ross coming out unannounced midway through the set and screaming into the mic "these guys rock!!!" was quite amusing. Heart played just about the perfect setlist for this crowd. They seem to have found a happy mixture of the 70s stuff that they want to play, and the 80s stuff that people want them to play. And yes, The Who cover came across REALLY well.

Now, just a bit of primer here for those not familiar with North Carolina shows. Charlotte is known as a party city. Everything seems to go off there. In contrast, Raleigh is known as a weird crowd. Yes, you can get them very involved in the show, but it takes a bit of work. Slack off the intensity just a bit, and you will see the crowd react. "Wine and Cheese crowd" wouldn't be inappropriate a lot of the time. I've seen them go ballistic before, but more often, they act like they are at the opera or the symphony, instead of a rock concert. There is VERY little middle ground there---you either have them eating out of your hands, or they are sitting back quietly watching. You have to be on your A-game here, no questions about it.

2nd point....Journey shows in Charlotte always go off like clockwork. Maybe it's the crowd, but they always turn out really good. Elsewhere in NC is a bit hit-or-miss, and the possibility of weird stuff happening. Greensboro '86 was the infamous show where Perry had a bracelet launched at him, and last night's show was the first show in Raleigh since Augeri's last concert--and the same venue, with probably a lot of the same people who witnessed that very interesting (both VERY good and VERY bad) concert. Putting the show on a Sunday night before the start of the workweek probably didn't help. That will ratchet down the party atmosphere by itself.

Journey DOES need to work on the setlist a bit. It's not as much WHAT they played, but WHEN they played it. It didn't get bogged down in ballads and stuff, but the flow of the setlist was missing. For example, look at this middle part of the setlist....Ask the Lonely, After All These Years, Separate Ways, Rubicon, Change for the Better, Wildest Dream. Rocking? Sure, but talk about leaving people with the deer-in-the-headlights look going from Separate Ways into Rubicon, and then 2 new songs back to back. You just don't get any momentum going with that. Remember what I said about the Raleigh crowd?!? There were moments of brilliance in there, but they were spread out enough that you never got the crowd by the jugular--which you REALLY needed after Heart's performance. Judging from the back of the lawn (where I moved for the encore, since the place was darn near sold out, and Walnut Creek is known for being a traffic nightmare), there WAS a mass exodus at the start of the encore. 3-4 minutes of blues jam, AND the sing-along before starting LTS just didn't sit well with the crowd. Get the right crowd and you can pull off just about anything, but with the herky-jerky setlist, you lose people quickly--and the lawn thinned out a bit here from the previous hard-to-find-an-unoccupied-blade-of-grass.

As far as Arnel went, he was a little off for the opening song or two. It was almost like he was trying too hard. He was hitting the notes, but SOMETHING was off. Maybe it was the intensity level of the band was off, and was just manifesting itself in Arnel since he was under the microscope. This contributed to part of the audience reaction to the show. After Cheap Trick and Heart, the place was primed to explode--it didn't happen. Journey was a bit off at the start, and they didn't deliver the knock-out punch at the opening after Heart blew the roof off. Thus, they didn't capture the audience from the get go, and had to start from ground zero again. Within a few songs though, Arnel was pretty much flawless, and the band got on the same page. He stopped trying to sing the songs and started singing the songs--if you know what I mean. When Arnel hit the first chorus on Open Arms, it was about like a sonic boom went off. That was about as intense as I have ever seen that song performed, and his voice was just massive. The guy can sing, and the crowd responded. Don't Stop Believin' took it to a whole new level with the crowd VERY into it and rocking, then Faithfully hit and the intensity dropped, just because of the tempo. Then the extended jam with Jon and Neal before Wheel in the Sky, and the crowd went dead. Then, one more song after that, and they leave the stage, only to come back with Escape and the very extended LTS. All of the hit staples that would grab the crowd had already been played. See what I mean about the disjointed setlist?!? The songs performed are fine, but the order needs a bit of work.

So that was Raleigh. Get the kinks ironed out to a streamlined rock and roll show, and Journey is dangerous. The good moments had the crowd eating our of their hand. They need to be on their A-game though trying to follow Heart who is in steamroller mode. Arnel is having to prove himself night after night, which makes it hard enough. Most people are willing to cut him a little break. He'll win over the crowd by mid-concert--that isn't a problem. No need making things harder on yourself than they need to be though, by having a setlist that has no order nor flow to it. The moments were definitely there, but not the knockout people were expecting.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:19 am

finalfight wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote:And come on, Ann hits "Perry notes"? Perry in his prime could never hit some of the notes Ann hits NOW.

Just not comparing apples to apples there.


Keep listening to 'These Dreams' chief but remember as nice as it is to dream you have to wake up and smell the coffee at some point.


except that isn't Ann who sings that song... Beyond that, I'm not getting into the arguement.
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Postby epresley » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:26 am

kgdjpubs wrote:yep, pretty good assessment. Cheap Trick did well with what they had to work with, and Ross coming out unannounced midway through the set and screaming into the mic "these guys rock!!!" was quite amusing. Heart played just about the perfect setlist for this crowd. They seem to have found a happy mixture of the 70s stuff that they want to play, and the 80s stuff that people want them to play. And yes, The Who cover came across REALLY well.

Now, just a bit of primer here for those not familiar with North Carolina shows. Charlotte is known as a party city. Everything seems to go off there. In contrast, Raleigh is known as a weird crowd. Yes, you can get them very involved in the show, but it takes a bit of work. Slack off the intensity just a bit, and you will see the crowd react. "Wine and Cheese crowd" wouldn't be inappropriate a lot of the time. I've seen them go ballistic before, but more often, they act like they are at the opera or the symphony, instead of a rock concert. There is VERY little middle ground there---you either have them eating out of your hands, or they are sitting back quietly watching. You have to be on your A-game here, no questions about it.

2nd point....Journey shows in Charlotte always go off like clockwork. Maybe it's the crowd, but they always turn out really good. Elsewhere in NC is a bit hit-or-miss, and the possibility of weird stuff happening. Greensboro '86 was the infamous show where Perry had a bracelet launched at him, and last night's show was the first show in Raleigh since Augeri's last concert--and the same venue, with probably a lot of the same people who witnessed that very interesting (both VERY good and VERY bad) concert. Putting the show on a Sunday night before the start of the workweek probably didn't help. That will ratchet down the party atmosphere by itself.

Journey DOES need to work on the setlist a bit. It's not as much WHAT they played, but WHEN they played it. It didn't get bogged down in ballads and stuff, but the flow of the setlist was missing. For example, look at this middle part of the setlist....Ask the Lonely, After All These Years, Separate Ways, Rubicon, Change for the Better, Wildest Dream. Rocking? Sure, but talk about leaving people with the deer-in-the-headlights look going from Separate Ways into Rubicon, and then 2 new songs back to back. You just don't get any momentum going with that. Remember what I said about the Raleigh crowd?!? There were moments of brilliance in there, but they were spread out enough that you never got the crowd by the jugular--which you REALLY needed after Heart's performance. Judging from the back of the lawn (where I moved for the encore, since the place was darn near sold out, and Walnut Creek is known for being a traffic nightmare), there WAS a mass exodus at the start of the encore. 3-4 minutes of blues jam, AND the sing-along before starting LTS just didn't sit well with the crowd. Get the right crowd and you can pull off just about anything, but with the herky-jerky setlist, you lose people quickly--and the lawn thinned out a bit here from the previous hard-to-find-an-unoccupied-blade-of-grass.

As far as Arnel went, he was a little off for the opening song or two. It was almost like he was trying too hard. He was hitting the notes, but SOMETHING was off. Maybe it was the intensity level of the band was off, and was just manifesting itself in Arnel since he was under the microscope. This contributed to part of the audience reaction to the show. After Cheap Trick and Heart, the place was primed to explode--it didn't happen. Journey was a bit off at the start, and they didn't deliver the knock-out punch at the opening after Heart blew the roof off. Thus, they didn't capture the audience from the get go, and had to start from ground zero again. Within a few songs though, Arnel was pretty much flawless, and the band got on the same page. He stopped trying to sing the songs and started singing the songs--if you know what I mean. When Arnel hit the first chorus on Open Arms, it was about like a sonic boom went off. That was about as intense as I have ever seen that song performed, and his voice was just massive. The guy can sing, and the crowd responded. Don't Stop Believin' took it to a whole new level with the crowd VERY into it and rocking, then Faithfully hit and the intensity dropped, just because of the tempo. Then the extended jam with Jon and Neal before Wheel in the Sky, and the crowd went dead. Then, one more song after that, and they leave the stage, only to come back with Escape and the very extended LTS. All of the hit staples that would grab the crowd had already been played. See what I mean about the disjointed setlist?!? The songs performed are fine, but the order needs a bit of work.

So that was Raleigh. Get the kinks ironed out to a streamlined rock and roll show, and Journey is dangerous. The good moments had the crowd eating our of their hand. They need to be on their A-game though trying to follow Heart who is in steamroller mode. Arnel is having to prove himself night after night, which makes it hard enough. Most people are willing to cut him a little break. He'll win over the crowd by mid-concert--that isn't a problem. No need making things harder on yourself than they need to be though, by having a setlist that has no order nor flow to it. The moments were definitely there, but not the knockout people were expecting.



AGREED. Even in San Antonio, I thought several times that Journey could have gone for the death blow, but lost a little momentum due to the set list/order. Heart, however, had the advantage of doing a 45 minute power packed show, AND, they picked the PERFECT pace/order/set list for their middle slot. Man, they were on fire. Journey is/was EXCELLENT, but the Wilson sisters were perfect. AND, for the record, NANCY IS STILL HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:30 am

epresley wrote:
AGREED. Even in San Antonio, I thought several times that Journey could have gone for the death blow, but lost a little momentum due to the set list/order. Heart, however, had the advantage of doing a 45 minute power packed show, AND, they picked the PERFECT pace/order/set list for their middle slot. Man, they were on fire. Journey is/was EXCELLENT, but the Wilson sisters were perfect. AND, for the record, NANCY IS STILL HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I concur!!! :wink:
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Postby Pacfanweb » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:01 am

Enigma869 wrote:There are no words to convey what a moronic statement this is! If you truly believe that, then you know absolutely NOTHING about Perry, in his prime. There was NOBODY (man, woman, or beast) who could touch that dude, in his prime....NOBODY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vJElLyOL4


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Oh, please. Yes, Perry had a hell of a voice, better than most rock singers. But there are just tons of singers out there, lead and backup, that can hit higher notes. Plenty of them.

They just might not be in a popular band, but that doesn't mean they aren't better singers, does it? What if Perry had never joined Journey and decided to work on the farm instead?
He'd have still had that same voice....only nobody would have heard it.

First name that comes to mind that can reach notes that Perry could have never even dreamed of, is Michael Anthony, formerly of Van Halen. Backup singer, yes, but he used to sing lead in other bands when he was younger. Is he as good an all-around singer as Perry....of course not. But you're talking strictly high notes, and MA has a high note that almost no guy can duplicate. So step back from your fanboyism a bit, and realize that there are plenty of people around who can sing, and your favorite (whomever that may be) isn't necessarily the only one who can/could hit the highest notes.

edit: I just wasted my time listening to that youtube link....Michael Anthony could easily hit all of those notes and take every one of them even a bit higher.
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