OT-China's fakery

[artist4perry]

Both are cute. China is bending over backwards to APPEAR great for the olympics but what about the workers and farmers? (Or anyone else having to suffer because of the hosting of the olympics) The news had a special on the farmers who are having to let their rice fields die because of the shortage of water. Water that is being saved for the olympic events. They are apparently having a rain drought there and were using the water to keep the fields going. How sad.

The good thing (if there is a good thing) is that this stuff is coming out so the world can see China for what it is. Anyone else really believe those Chinese female gymnists are really 16 years old? They look like they are 12!

I do believe they are 16. it is probably because of their petite,lean bodies and baby-face features. and besides, just because they don't have obvious bosoms, makes them 12 years old.


on the otherhand, the child labor practice and china's secretive dealings and witholding real birth records does create some form of suspicion.

It was reported that one of those 16 year old girls was loosing a baby tooth when she smiled. 16 my eye. The sad fact is it will cause her problems when she is growing. That is why they need to be 16. As for the little girls singing, I don't think anyone is upset with either girl. Just the crookedness of the government. I think the girl who could sing is a beautiful child. She should have been able to sing, and see the reaction of the crowds. Oh and whoever is making tasteless chinese jokes, please don't.

[bluejeangirl76]

Those sunzabitches.

That poor little girl, being told she's not cute enough to be on TV and only her voice will be used... jesus t.f. What the hell.

[Enigma869]

GEEZ...at least Augeri was lippin' to his own voice (at least I think he was lippin' to his own voice)


John from Boston

[Maui Tom]

My bro went to China and sent me some knock off Ping Irons.....fell apart within weeks....

was a great few weeks though....

[journeypower]

Both are cute. China is bending over backwards to APPEAR great for the olympics but what about the workers and farmers? (Or anyone else having to suffer because of the hosting of the olympics) The news had a special on the farmers who are having to let their rice fields die because of the shortage of water. Water that is being saved for the olympic events. They are apparently having a rain drought there and were using the water to keep the fields going. How sad.

The good thing (if there is a good thing) is that this stuff is coming out so the world can see China for what it is. Anyone else really believe those Chinese female gymnists are really 16 years old? They look like they are 12!

I do believe they are 16. it is probably because of their petite,lean bodies and baby-face features. and besides, just because they don't have obvious bosoms, makes them 12 years old.


on the otherhand, the child labor practice and china's secretive dealings and witholding real birth records does create some form of suspicion.

It was reported that one of those 16 year old girls was loosing a baby tooth when she smiled. 16 my eye. The sad fact is it will cause her problems when she is growing. That is why they need to be 16. As for the little girls singing, I don't think anyone is upset with either girl. Just the crookedness of the government. I think the girl who could sing is a beautiful child. She should have been able to sing, and see the reaction of the crowds. Oh and whoever is making tasteless chinese jokes, please don't.

that gymnast probably fell on her face during her practice routines. it's not uncommon in gymnastics. and how do they know that it was only a temporary tooth and not a permanent one? I think it is also unfair that we judge them by their looks alone. heck, most of us if not all were even surprised to learn and could not believe that Arnel is already 40.

anyway, how can we guarantee that their mature looking opponents are really 16 and not underage? seems pretty biased by virtue of looks. that's unfair just the same.

[DrFU]

My bro went to China and sent me some knock off Ping Irons.....fell apart within weeks....

was a great few weeks though....

bored at work?

you're replying to yourself ...

[Maui Tom]

My bro went to China and sent me some knock off Ping Irons.....fell apart within weeks....

was a great few weeks though....

bored at work?

you're replying to yourself ...

creamed the 3 iron for the first time in my life...it was also the first club to go...

[edcha]

Please, peeps; this is a dunderheaded decision by a bunch of bureaucrats. It does not represent the values/actions/quality of an entire nation of 1.3 billion people...

I agree with you, Doc.

[edcha]

I'm not too surprised. It is China after all. Poor little girl. That had to hurt.

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.... But for crying out loud, she's only 7 years old. Not like she's going to loose a house or something cause her face wasn't used. It's like a muppet puppet. The voice isn't coming from the actual puppet, no one's complaining about that so who cares. None of us went go out and purchased an album like in the Milli-Vanilli case.

TSH,
I respect your opinion. However, if I were the parent of that little girl (the real singer), I would really be pissed off big time! The principle is not right. It's just unfair, to say the least.

Yeah, that would piss of the parents I'm sure, unless they are team players right?

I may be wrong...but unlike in established democratic countries, I think in China, whatever the high government officials say...is still treated like a "law", and followed by citizens--whether they like it or not.

On the other hand, I would agree with you that it's also possible that the parents of the real singer were just excited about the opportunity of their daughter to be involved in the greatest event in modern Chinese history. Plus, they probably received reasonable compensation. Who knows?

[artist4perry]

Both are cute. China is bending over backwards to APPEAR great for the olympics but what about the workers and farmers? (Or anyone else having to suffer because of the hosting of the olympics) The news had a special on the farmers who are having to let their rice fields die because of the shortage of water. Water that is being saved for the olympic events. They are apparently having a rain drought there and were using the water to keep the fields going. How sad.

The good thing (if there is a good thing) is that this stuff is coming out so the world can see China for what it is. Anyone else really believe those Chinese female gymnists are really 16 years old? They look like they are 12!

I do believe they are 16. it is probably because of their petite,lean bodies and baby-face features. and besides, just because they don't have obvious bosoms, makes them 12 years old.


on the otherhand, the child labor practice and china's secretive dealings and witholding real birth records does create some form of suspicion.

It was reported that one of those 16 year old girls was loosing a baby tooth when she smiled. 16 my eye. The sad fact is it will cause her problems when she is growing. That is why they need to be 16. As for the little girls singing, I don't think anyone is upset with either girl. Just the crookedness of the government. I think the girl who could sing is a beautiful child. She should have been able to sing, and see the reaction of the crowds. Oh and whoever is making tasteless chinese jokes, please don't.

that gymnast probably fell on her face during her practice routines. it's not uncommon in gymnastics. and how do they know that it was only a temporary tooth and not a permanent one? I think it is also unfair that we judge them by their looks alone. heck, most of us if not all were even surprised to learn and could not believe that Arnel is already 40.

anyway, how can we guarantee that their mature looking opponents are really 16 and not underage? seems pretty biased by virtue of looks. that's unfair just the same.

From the coaches who have done this for years noting the lack of maturity of these girls. It isn't because they are small, they can tell physical signs of them being underage. Look I don't fault the girls in any way. I am just saying there needs to be a better way to insure age levels than because the government say they are a certain age. My only fear is if these girls are underage, it will cause them serious growing problems in the future. If they are underage, it sets them at an unfair advantage as well. It's not like they would fake a girl singing for anouther one........ooops already done that!
I am just concerned for the ones who follow the rules and are beaten by those who don't.

[finalfight]

they are not only bureocrats but communists.,

Better that than Bush or Brown.

[conversationpc]

Does anyone else think, according to China's human rights record, that we should even be at the Olympics there in the first place?

[Barb]

Does anyone else think, according to China's human rights record, that we should even be at the Olympics there in the first place?

Do you mean we as in the US or we as in the World. I really don't think it's honor China deserves. I mean, why not have the olympics in freaking Iran if those are the standards.

[Barb]

they are not only bureocrats but communists.,

Better that than Bush or Brown.

Go live in a communist country for a few weeks. Then make a stupid remark like this.

[finalfight]

they are not only bureocrats but communists.,

Better that than Bush or Brown.

Go live in a communist country for a few weeks. Then make a stupid remark like this.

I did and for more than a few weeks. My opinion, and it is MY opinion is therefore informed by my own experience.

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Barb]

they are not only bureocrats but communists.,

Better that than Bush or Brown.

Go live in a communist country for a few weeks. Then make a stupid remark like this.

I did and for more than a few weeks. My opinion, and it is MY opinion is therefore informed. I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is far to easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Ask yourself how your own country is perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

[finalfight]

Don't roll your emoticon eyes at me I might get cyber upset!

[Sarah]

China also faked some of their fireworks on the opening ceremony. The footprints were photoshopped in.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stories/200808/s2333175.htm?tab=latest

...which was stated DURING the airing. It wasn't a huge secret.

[conversationpc]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

[finalfight]

China also faked some of their fireworks on the opening ceremony. The footprints were photoshopped in.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stories/200808/s2333175.htm?tab=latest

...which was stated DURING the airing. It wasn't a huge secret.

It was widely reported that they filmed the fire works the night before due to concerns over smog and had some of that footage, which they had time to enhance through video editing (not with photoshop) was fed in due to visibility issues and for the sake of continuity. I was quite surprised when I read about it but I guess they weren't taking any chances with an event of this magnitude.

I hate to think how many complaints are going to be forthcoming after what is certain to be a complete washout in London 2012.

[finalfight]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

Its never that black and white. Sadly persecution of the innocent doesn't know boarders and can happen anywhere. To say that the US or UK has not engaged in such activity is a very blinkered view but I really shouldn't get into any kind of political battle as I am far too shallow and would quickly be exposed as a charlatan!

I just call it as I see it and I had a very pleasant experience abroad which I would love to repeat on a more permanent basis.

[Barb]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

Just ask "the world" who hates us where they'd rather live out the rest of their days. China or the United States. It just floors me when people try to say our government and our country is even WORSE than a hell hole like China just because they hate the president so much. It's just stupid.

[wastingbeerz]

Probably has been said many times before, but...


WTF China?!?!?!?!?

[finalfight]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

Just ask "the world" who hates us where they'd rather live out the rest of their days. China or the United States. It just floors me when people try to say our government and our country is even WORSE than a hell hole like China just because they hate the president so much. It's just stupid.

China is hardly a hell hole. And for the record I love bush!

[finalfight]

Probably has been said many times before, but...


WTF China?!?!?!?!?

You lost me there, relating to what exactly?

[Barb]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

Just ask "the world" who hates us where they'd rather live out the rest of their days. China or the United States. It just floors me when people try to say our government and our country is even WORSE than a hell hole like China just because they hate the president so much. It's just stupid.

China is hardly a hell hole. And for the record I love bush!

It is for many.

[finalfight]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

Just ask "the world" who hates us where they'd rather live out the rest of their days. China or the United States. It just floors me when people try to say our government and our country is even WORSE than a hell hole like China just because they hate the president so much. It's just stupid.

China is hardly a hell hole. And for the record I love bush!

It is for many.

You should visit Stonehouse in Plymouth, England then! Its like a mini Beirut, seriously!

[Barb]

I'm not saying China is perfect, far from it but it is way too easy to dismiss and criticize from the other side of the fence based purely on what information you are fed. Before taking too harsh a stance perhaps we should ask ourselves how our own countries are perceived by outsiders. Stupid is as stupid does.

It's not a matter of perception. The rest of the world damn well knows that we don't persecute innocent people like China, Iran, North Korea, etc. That has nothing to do with perception. The world ALWAYS hates the top dog. Are we perfect? Obviously not but there is a major difference between the relatively minor issues that we have here and the major ones faced by countries where imprisonment or even death can be the result of trying to live free.

Just ask "the world" who hates us where they'd rather live out the rest of their days. China or the United States. It just floors me when people try to say our government and our country is even WORSE than a hell hole like China just because they hate the president so much. It's just stupid.

China is hardly a hell hole. And for the record I love bush!

It is for many.

You should visit Stonehouse in Plymouth, England then! Its like a mini Beirut, seriously!

Do they tell you that you can only have one child in your life and force abortion and sterilization on you there?

[journeypower]

Both are cute. China is bending over backwards to APPEAR great for the olympics but what about the workers and farmers? (Or anyone else having to suffer because of the hosting of the olympics) The news had a special on the farmers who are having to let their rice fields die because of the shortage of water. Water that is being saved for the olympic events. They are apparently having a rain drought there and were using the water to keep the fields going. How sad.

The good thing (if there is a good thing) is that this stuff is coming out so the world can see China for what it is. Anyone else really believe those Chinese female gymnists are really 16 years old? They look like they are 12!

I do believe they are 16. it is probably because of their petite,lean bodies and baby-face features. and besides, just because they don't have obvious bosoms, makes them 12 years old.


on the otherhand, the child labor practice and china's secretive dealings and witholding real birth records does create some form of suspicion.

It was reported that one of those 16 year old girls was loosing a baby tooth when she smiled. 16 my eye. The sad fact is it will cause her problems when she is growing. That is why they need to be 16. As for the little girls singing, I don't think anyone is upset with either girl. Just the crookedness of the government. I think the girl who could sing is a beautiful child. She should have been able to sing, and see the reaction of the crowds. Oh and whoever is making tasteless chinese jokes, please don't.

that gymnast probably fell on her face during her practice routines. it's not uncommon in gymnastics. and how do they know that it was only a temporary tooth and not a permanent one? I think it is also unfair that we judge them by their looks alone. heck, most of us if not all were even surprised to learn and could not believe that Arnel is already 40.

anyway, how can we guarantee that their mature looking opponents are really 16 and not underage? seems pretty biased by virtue of looks. that's unfair just the same.

From the coaches who have done this for years noting the lack of maturity of these girls. It isn't because they are small, they can tell physical signs of them being underage. Look I don't fault the girls in any way. I am just saying there needs to be a better way to insure age levels than because the government say they are a certain age. My only fear is if these girls are underage, it will cause them serious growing problems in the future. If they are underage, it sets them at an unfair advantage as well. It's not like they would fake a girl singing for anouther one........ooops already done that!
I am just concerned for the ones who follow the rules and are beaten by those who don't.

I know what you mean and concern about this matter. but it seems like the host country is getting the ire. the argument here is are we sure that the other participating nations follow this rule of 16?

I do agree that such rule must be followed, but it must include everyone.

[artist4perry]

I know what you mean and concern about this matter. but it seems like the host country is getting the ire. the argument here is are we sure that the other participating nations follow this rule of 16?

I do agree that such rule must be followed, but it must include everyone.

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I agree whole heartedly. What is good for one, is good for all. I don't think I care about who is the host country. I have no ills on that note. Just the concern over ANY country that would break the rules to win, at the cost of the health of the children involved. No country should be exempt. Pride of nation is no excuse to do harm to a child.