Nike considering Arnel and JOURNEY.

[mdaemon]

I saw a similar thread on the Journey official site and to be honest, I find it silly. Most of Nike's endorsers are big time athletes and Arnel isn't. Besides, any efforts to find a person to endorse a product should be done by Nike themselves and not the person much less a third party. Don't get me wrong dude, I am a big Arnel fan and I will be thrilled if he can get product endorsements. It just that I don't think this is the fans' business.

Yeah but Arnel does what most those others can't do, jump about twice his actual height, at least that is what it apears he is doing.

I still don't understand how it will benefit Nike.

All the younger kids who loves Journey and Arnel will need to go out and purchase the same brand that Arnel is jumping around on stage in. How many is that? A signature set of Nike's, much like that $75 dollar bottle of wine some months back with all the Journey member's signature on it that someone was peddling on this site. Guaranteed that there will be products with Arnel's signature on them, primarily in the Philippines I think though.

Arnel is not that big a star yet in the Philippines. One of my friends used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily and she barely know him. Journey's music isn't exactly the kind of music that younger kids would dig unless they were heavily influence by their parents.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

[mdaemon]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

No, not really. As far as the Philippines is concerned, there are still bigger stars than Arnel such as Martin Nievera and Regine Velasquez. I am sure that is going to change soon.

[artist4perry]

Air Arnel's......... footwear of the Celtics.

Nike Air-nels...

Awesome!

You could be good at marketing!

[Don]

I'm not a big Nike fan. Their attitude towards Child labor doesn't sit well with me.

[Perrydise]

I'm not a big Nike fan. Their attitude towards Child labor doesn't sit well with me.

Agreed!

[mdaemon]

I'm not a big Nike fan. Their attitude towards Child labor doesn't sit well with me.

I'm just wondering, if there was Nike to hire him, would Arnel be sleeping on the street when he was a kid? If working would keep these kids away from the streets where they could go in to much worse troubles and abuses (drugs, rape, prostitution), then what Nike's suppliers did by hiring these kids isn't too bad at all. We all assume that these kids have parents to look after them or their government would help them in the absence of their parents as what happens in most western countries but alas that is not always the reality on other parts of the world.

[Dzaek]

I'm not a big Nike fan. Their attitude towards Child labor doesn't sit well with me.

Agreed!

Totally. This is probably not exclusive to Nike but to most if not all brands that have sub contracted their production to other countries, where child labor could be prevalent. Recent spot check reveal otherwise though.

[Don]

I'm not a big Nike fan. Their attitude towards Child labor doesn't sit well with me.

I'm just wondering, if there was Nike to hire him, would Arnel be sleeping on the street when he was a kid? If working would keep these kids away from the streets where they could go in to much worse troubles and abuses (drugs, rape, prostitution), then what Nike's suppliers did by hiring these kids isn't too bad at all. We all assume that these kids have parents to look after them or their government would help them in the absence of their parents as what happens in most western countries but alas that is not always the reality on other parts of the world.

6 day work weeks, no vacation, no sick pay, less than the minumum wage, being physically abused for inadequate production, and I'm just talking about the Sweatshops in El Monte California which were shutdown. The kids wouldn't work for Nike, they are under the authority of a person who has a contract to produce shoes for Nike. Nike has been taken to task because they did token inspections and were ignorant thart some of the children were being abused and some had even died. It's not work, it is servitude, and it has been going on since Arnel was a kid. Once the kids are abused enough, they usually escape and end up back on the streets. The only difference between being Homeless and working for these sweatshops is one is making money for a corporation without freedom of movement and other human rights. Even a homeless person has more freedom then that.

[Esc]

Alright! That photochop of him at the net with a basketball in one hand and the mic in the other really paid off. Good on you!

Okay..here is where the poster comes in.
hey marty, lets spilt the royalty 50/50.
deal?

[mdaemon]

I'm not a big Nike fan. Their attitude towards Child labor doesn't sit well with me.

I'm just wondering, if there was Nike to hire him, would Arnel be sleeping on the street when he was a kid? If working would keep these kids away from the streets where they could go in to much worse troubles and abuses (drugs, rape, prostitution), then what Nike's suppliers did by hiring these kids isn't too bad at all. We all assume that these kids have parents to look after them or their government would help them in the absence of their parents as what happens in most western countries but alas that is not always the reality on other parts of the world.

6 day work weeks, no vacation, no sick pay, less than the minumum wage, being physically abused for inadequate production, and I'm just talking about the Sweatshops in El Monte California which were shutdown.

7 days of begging for food, 7 nights of looking for a place to sleep, 24X7 of being exposed to the elements in fear of muggers, pimps, even policemen out to abuse them, when you get sick, you're left shivering on the streets alone while inhaling diesel fumes, and I am just talking about street kids in a city in the Philippines.

The kids wouldn't work for Nike, they are under the authority of a person who has a contract to produce shoes for Nike. Nike has been taken to task because they did token inspections and were ignorant thart some of the children were being abused and some had even died.

Yes, the street kids don't work for anybody. However, they are in constant fear of being mugged, abused, beaten up, even raped. No one is taken to task because on the streets, there are no inspections. It's only the daily struggle to survive.

Don't get me wrong, I am not condoning what Nike or their contractors did. I just want you to know the side of the story that isn't very well known especially to people who or were not exposed to it on their daily lives.

[Don]

That's my whole point. I have lived in Thailand, The RP, and other places where this all too common. Most americans see the poverty but they don't see that some of the products they buy are made under the guise of contract labor. i know what you are saying but my point is against Nike in particular who were exposed for doing these things but only suffered minimal PR damage from their callus actions because of the common person's ignorance of what goes on beyond our borders and sometime even within.

[Smoothie]

I saw a similar thread on the Journey official site and to be honest, I find it silly. Most of Nike's endorsers are big time athletes and Arnel isn't. Besides, any efforts to find a person to endorse a product should be done by Nike themselves and not the person much less a third party. Don't get me wrong dude, I am a big Arnel fan and I will be thrilled if he can get product endorsements. It just that I don't think this is the fans' business.

Yeah but Arnel does what most those others can't do, jump about twice his actual height, at least that is what it apears he is doing.

I still don't understand how it will benefit Nike.

All the while, I thought I addressed this concern of yours 11 posts back.

Your explanation does not make sense. I know you love Arnel to bits but this is really silly. Arnel is not an athlete and as Onestepper pointed out, does not have the name recognition a big time brand would require.

I wouldn't call pro golfers true athletes either, with the exception of a few who are fit and athletic enough to be, yet Nike has extended sponsorship to some of these people. I'm sure you didn't mean to group pro golfers with the likes of Michael Jordan right?

Even at the tender age of 40, Arnel kicks a$$ compared to some of Nike sponsored golfers, I know one 45 year old nike sponsored golfer who's had so much back problems that he's now a poster boy for the american orthopedic association and the arthritis foundation.

Big time name recognition? Does everyone in here know who Bo Van Pelt is? I doubt it, yet he's sponsored by Nike. The name recognition argument is totally subjective, of which in the music (Rock) world, given his cinderella/rags to riches/an american dream/youtube sensation/internet prodigy story, Arnel has created enough splash to get noticed and by now enough fans and interested parties to target as a market for hopefully the up and coming airnel line of nike shoes. Surely, I'm in line for a couple of pairs, one to use and one for Arnel to sign for me to keep.

[Don]

Per JSS, Journey has people that handle their wardrobe for them. I'm sure they have contracts in place already for all their fashion accessories. Arnel doesn't need to worry about pimping sneakers for Nike, his gear is already free.

[edcha]

I saw a similar thread on the Journey official site and to be honest, I find it silly. Most of Nike's endorsers are big time athletes and Arnel isn't. Besides, any efforts to find a person to endorse a product should be done by Nike themselves and not the person much less a third party. Don't get me wrong dude, I am a big Arnel fan and I will be thrilled if he can get product endorsements. It just that I don't think this is the fans' business.

Yeah but Arnel does what most those others can't do, jump about twice his actual height, at least that is what it apears he is doing.

I still don't understand how it will benefit Nike.

All the while, I thought I addressed this concern of yours 11 posts back.

Your explanation does not make sense. I know you love Arnel to bits but this is really silly. Arnel is not an athlete and as Onestepper pointed out, does not have the name recognition a big time brand would require.

I'm back for a 10-minute break!....
mdaemon,
First, in that same post, I said "I actually say all these things tongue in cheek... " if you're paying attention!
Secondly, please don't even attempt to read my feeling!...you simply can't! It's unfathomable!

[mdaemon]

I saw a similar thread on the Journey official site and to be honest, I find it silly. Most of Nike's endorsers are big time athletes and Arnel isn't. Besides, any efforts to find a person to endorse a product should be done by Nike themselves and not the person much less a third party. Don't get me wrong dude, I am a big Arnel fan and I will be thrilled if he can get product endorsements. It just that I don't think this is the fans' business.

Yeah but Arnel does what most those others can't do, jump about twice his actual height, at least that is what it apears he is doing.

I still don't understand how it will benefit Nike.

All the while, I thought I addressed this concern of yours 11 posts back.

Your explanation does not make sense. I know you love Arnel to bits but this is really silly. Arnel is not an athlete and as Onestepper pointed out, does not have the name recognition a big time brand would require.

I wouldn't call pro golfers true athletes either, with the exception of a few who are fit and athletic enough to be, yet Nike has extended sponsorship to some of these people. I'm sure you didn't mean to group pro golfers with the likes of Michael Jordan right?

Even at the tender age of 40, Arnel kicks a$$ compared to some of Nike sponsored golfers, I know one 45 year old nike sponsored golfer who's had so much back problems that he's now a poster boy for the american orthopedic association and the arthritis foundation.

Big time name recognition? Does everyone in here know who Bo Van Pelt is? I doubt it, yet he's sponsored by Nike. The name recognition argument is totally subjective, of which in the music (Rock) world, given his cinderella/rags to riches/an american dream/youtube sensation/internet prodigy story, Arnel has created enough splash to get noticed and by now enough fans and interested parties to target as a market for hopefully the up and coming airnel line of nike shoes. Surely, I'm in line for a couple of pairs, one to use and one for Arnel to sign for me to keep.

I don't know who Bo Van Pelt is but I am sure majority if not all golfers know who he is and what he has accomplished. Nike signed him up as an endorser of their products so they can sell their golf equipment and clothes to golfers. Nike doesn't even have a line of products for music fans! Even if they do, Arnel isn't that known in the world of music and even in the world of rock for that matter. He isn't even that well known in the Philippines yet so how do you expect him to sell these products?

[edcha]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

No, not really. As far as the Philippines is concerned, there are still bigger stars than Arnel such as Martin Nievera and Regine Velasquez. I am sure that is going to change soon.

You're a little behind in the curve, mdaemon! I believe it has changed already!
I like Martin Nievera, but really I pity him when he did a duet with Arnel in April 2008....

http://www.nme.com/video/id/550X9GbvqQw/search/zsazsa

...and tried (to no avail!) to match Arnel's singing. (see timer at 2:25 and 4:30).

Martin Nievera, and I guess, most of the "bigger" stars in the Phillippines are already in awe (and most likely, a little envious) of what Arnel has accomplished within a very short period of time. Check the timer around 6:40..when Martin Nievera said to Arnel, in jest, ..."we love and hate you all at the same time!". I think that is self-explanatory....

[edcha]

[quote="mdaemon....

... Arnel isn't that known in the world of music and even in the world of rock for that matter. He isn't even that well known in the Philippines yet ....[/quote]



Are we going back in time here or what!?
Just a minute... I have to take a really deeeeeep breath!
OK, I forgive you, now....

[mdaemon]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

No, not really. As far as the Philippines is concerned, there are still bigger stars than Arnel such as Martin Nievera and Regine Velasquez. I am sure that is going to change soon.

You're a little behind in the curve, mdaemon! I believe it has changed already!
I like Martin Nievera, but really I pity him when he did a duet with Arnel in April 2008....

Look at the facts:

Martin appeared in more TV sh
http://www.nme.com/video/id/550X9GbvqQw/search/zsazsa

...and tried (to no avail!) to match Arnel's singing. (see timer at 2:25 and 4:30).

Martin Nievera, and I guess, most of the "bigger" stars in the Phillippines are already in awe (and most likely, a little envious) of what Arnel has accomplished within a very short period of time. Check the timer around 6:40..when Martin Nievera said to Arnel, in jest, ..."we love and hate you all at the same time!". I think that is self-explanatory....

No one is saying that Martin is better than Arnel. Heck, I would smack somebody's head if they say that What I said is that Martin is better known in the Philippines and hence a bigger star at the moment than Arnel there. That is not a disrespect to Arnel but more a flick on the ears of Pinoy music fans because for so long, we did not recognize true talent. It took a foreigner to recognize Arnel when he's been with us for almost the majority of his life.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

No, not really. As far as the Philippines is concerned, there are still bigger stars than Arnel such as Martin Nievera and Regine Velasquez. I am sure that is going to change soon.

You're a little behind in the curve, mdaemon! I believe it has changed already!
I like Martin Nievera, but really I pity him when he did a duet with Arnel in April 2008....

Look at the facts:

Martin appeared in more TV sh
http://www.nme.com/video/id/550X9GbvqQw/search/zsazsa

...and tried (to no avail!) to match Arnel's singing. (see timer at 2:25 and 4:30).

Martin Nievera, and I guess, most of the "bigger" stars in the Phillippines are already in awe (and most likely, a little envious) of what Arnel has accomplished within a very short period of time. Check the timer around 6:40..when Martin Nievera said to Arnel, in jest, ..."we love and hate you all at the same time!". I think that is self-explanatory....

No one is saying that Martin is better than Arnel. Heck, I would smack somebody's head if they say that What I said is that Martin is better known in the Philippines and hence a bigger star at the moment than Arnel there. That is not a disrespect to Arnel but more a flick on the ears of Pinoy music fans because for so long, we did not recognize true talent. It took a foreigner to recognize Arnel when he's been with us for almost the majority of his life.

Arnel didn't have any hook-ups or people on the inside of the music world in the Philippines who would pull some strings for him. All the people who could, were already hooking up their "friend's" and/or "family" and stuff like that. Arnel came from poverty, in the Philippines there is only rich and only real poor, and they keep their distance from each other and they don't mix, unless they are hansome or beautiful and are wanted by the other. Arnel didn't have anyone on the inside who wanted to do him a favor and hook him up, because that would piss of the "friends" and/or "family." That's the way it is, and to a degree that's the way it is in good ol' Hollywood USA too. Like that old saying, "it's not what you know but who you know." Example: Hannah Montana. If she wasn't the daughter of anyone famous, she wouldn't be where she is today. I've seen hundreds of kids sing just as good and even better then her, but they ain't squat and never will be cause they don't have the connections.

[edcha]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

No, not really. As far as the Philippines is concerned, there are still bigger stars than Arnel such as Martin Nievera and Regine Velasquez. I am sure that is going to change soon.

You're a little behind in the curve, mdaemon! I believe it has changed already!
I like Martin Nievera, but really I pity him when he did a duet with Arnel in April 2008....

Look at the facts:

Martin appeared in more TV sh
http://www.nme.com/video/id/550X9GbvqQw/search/zsazsa

...and tried (to no avail!) to match Arnel's singing. (see timer at 2:25 and 4:30).

Martin Nievera, and I guess, most of the "bigger" stars in the Phillippines are already in awe (and most likely, a little envious) of what Arnel has accomplished within a very short period of time. Check the timer around 6:40..when Martin Nievera said to Arnel, in jest, ..."we love and hate you all at the same time!". I think that is self-explanatory....

No one is saying that Martin is better than Arnel. Heck, I would smack somebody's head if they say that What I said is that Martin is better known in the Philippines and hence a bigger star at the moment than Arnel there. That is not a disrespect to Arnel but more a flick on the ears of Pinoy music fans because for so long, we did not recognize true talent. It took a foreigner to recognize Arnel when he's been with us for almost the majority of his life.

Well, let me respectfully announce that Martin is no longer the bigger star at the moment...because of that ridiculous duet performance of his!!! ...

Kidding aside, what I'm saying is in this modern technology-, and internet-dominated world of ours where news and communications travel and spread almost instantaneously worldwide, geographic boundaries and time as we know it before don't matter anymore. It may not be an overstatement to say that things can possibly change at the wink of an eye, literally. Martin, Regine, etc. may be bigger stars than Arnel wayback in November 2007, but right now, I would argue that Arnel is the bigger star.

[edcha]

Yeah, most people didn't know him at one time, as in maybe a year ago. Hell, even Journey didn't know of Arnel at one time not so terribly long ago. Now however things have changed and have changed big time. You'd be surprised. Bet your friend who you mentioned that used to write for the entertainment section of a major daily would like to meet up with him for a one on one interview, yeah?

No, not really. As far as the Philippines is concerned, there are still bigger stars than Arnel such as Martin Nievera and Regine Velasquez. I am sure that is going to change soon.

You're a little behind in the curve, mdaemon! I believe it has changed already!
I like Martin Nievera, but really I pity him when he did a duet with Arnel in April 2008....

Look at the facts:

Martin appeared in more TV sh
http://www.nme.com/video/id/550X9GbvqQw/search/zsazsa

...and tried (to no avail!) to match Arnel's singing. (see timer at 2:25 and 4:30).

Martin Nievera, and I guess, most of the "bigger" stars in the Phillippines are already in awe (and most likely, a little envious) of what Arnel has accomplished within a very short period of time. Check the timer around 6:40..when Martin Nievera said to Arnel, in jest, ..."we love and hate you all at the same time!". I think that is self-explanatory....

No one is saying that Martin is better than Arnel. Heck, I would smack somebody's head if they say that What I said is that Martin is better known in the Philippines and hence a bigger star at the moment than Arnel there. That is not a disrespect to Arnel but more a flick on the ears of Pinoy music fans because for so long, we did not recognize true talent. It took a foreigner to recognize Arnel when he's been with us for almost the majority of his life.

Arnel didn't have any hook-ups or people on the inside of the music world in the Philippines who would pull some strings for him. All the people who could, were already hooking up their "friend's" and/or "family" and stuff like that. Arnel came from poverty, in the Philippines there is only rich and only real poor, and they keep their distance from each other and they don't mix, unless they are hansome or beautiful and are wanted by the other. Arnel didn't have anyone on the inside who wanted to do him a favor and hook him up, because that would piss of the "friends" and/or "family." That's the way it is, and to a degree that's the way it is in good ol' Hollywood USA too. Like that old saying, "it's not what you know but who you know." Example: Hannah Montana. If she wasn't the daughter of anyone famous, she wouldn't be where she is today. I've seen hundreds of kids sing just as good and even better then her, but they ain't squat and never will be cause they don't have the connections.

Very good point, TSH!

[mdaemon]

Well, let me respectfully announce that Martin is no longer the bigger star at the moment...because of that ridiculous duet performance of his!!! ...

Following your line of argument, when Arnel mess up a song in the future, will his being a star diminish in your eyes?

Also, let's be realistic here. Arnel missed a note on that same clip. [/quote]

Kidding aside, what I'm saying is in this modern technology-, and internet-dominated world of ours where news and communications travel and spread almost instantaneously worldwide, geographic boundaries and time as we know it before don't matter anymore. It may not be an overstatement to say that things can possibly change at the wink of an eye, literally. Martin, Regine, etc. may be bigger stars than Arnel wayback in November 2007, but right now, I would argue that Arnel is the bigger star.

The internet is yet to surpass TV in terms of usage and medium of exposure for artists especially in the Philippines. This is where the above mentioned Pinoy stars have an edge over Arnel as they are seen more often than him. Also these two artists have released and sold more albums than Arnel in the Philippines. They were also seen on more magazines, newspapers, and even movies than Arnel. When Arnel last went home to the Philippines, he was still able to go to the wet market without being recognized. Try putting Martin and/or Regine in a mall and they will be mobbed.

[edcha]

Well, let me respectfully announce that Martin is no longer the bigger star at the moment...because of that ridiculous duet performance of his!!! ...

Following your line of argument, when Arnel mess up a song in the future, will his being a star diminish in your eyes?

Also, let's be realistic here. Arnel missed a note on that same clip.

Kidding aside, what I'm saying is in this modern technology-, and internet-dominated world of ours where news and communications travel and spread almost instantaneously worldwide, geographic boundaries and time as we know it before don't matter anymore. It may not be an overstatement to say that things can possibly change at the wink of an eye, literally. Martin, Regine, etc. may be bigger stars than Arnel wayback in November 2007, but right now, I would argue that Arnel is the bigger star.

TV hasn't surpassed the internet yet in terms of usage and medium of exposure for artists especially in the Philippines. This is where the above mentioned Pinoy stars have an edge over Arnel as they are seen more often than him. Also these two artists have released and sold more albums than Arnel in the Philippines. They were also seen on more magazines, newspapers, and even movies than Arnel. When Arnel last went home to the Philippines, he was still able to go to the wet market without being recognized. Try putting Martin and/or Regine in a mall and they will be mobbed.[/quote]


You are too serious, man!
If you are attentive enough, you will see that I'm kidding on the first paragraph!
Secondly, did you just mess up you own post?! (see the bold phrase)

[mdaemon]

TV hasn't surpassed the internet yet in terms of usage and medium of exposure for artists especially in the Philippines. This is where the above mentioned Pinoy stars have an edge over Arnel as they are seen more often than him. Also these two artists have released and sold more albums than Arnel in the Philippines. They were also seen on more magazines, newspapers, and even movies than Arnel. When Arnel last went home to the Philippines, he was still able to go to the wet market without being recognized. Try putting Martin and/or Regine in a mall and they will be mobbed.

You are too serious, man!
If you are attentive enough, you will see that I'm kidding on the first paragraph!
Secondly, did you just mess up you own post?! (see the bold phrase)

Thanks, it has been corrected now.

[edcha]

De Nada, bud.

[Voyager]

Nike considering Arnel and JOURNEY.

Sure... and Adidas is considering Van Halen and.... uhhh.... who is their singer now?

[jourmapac]

guys just my opinion, i think when arnel finally comes back home in the P.I. he will be revered like a conquering hero ...

the Philippines will momentarily STOP and focus their attention to Arnel, JUST LIKE everytime pacman fights...

[The Sushi Hunter]

The internet is yet to surpass TV in terms of usage and medium of exposure for artists especially in the Philippines. This is where the above mentioned Pinoy stars have an edge over Arnel as they are seen more often than him. Also these two artists have released and sold more albums than Arnel in the Philippines. They were also seen on more magazines, newspapers, and even movies than Arnel. When Arnel last went home to the Philippines, he was still able to go to the wet market without being recognized. Try putting Martin and/or Regine in a mall and they will be mobbed.

Seems the internet is about to surpass TV in a big way in the Philippines here mosukoshi. I'm pretty sure it already has done so in places like America. And try putting Arnel in a mall now, I'll bet his ass gets mobbed like nobody's business now.

BTW - Who's Martin and/or Regine? Because I've never heard a song from them.

[jourmapac]

The internet is yet to surpass TV in terms of usage and medium of exposure for artists especially in the Philippines. This is where the above mentioned Pinoy stars have an edge over Arnel as they are seen more often than him. Also these two artists have released and sold more albums than Arnel in the Philippines. They were also seen on more magazines, newspapers, and even movies than Arnel. When Arnel last went home to the Philippines, he was still able to go to the wet market without being recognized. Try putting Martin and/or Regine in a mall and they will be mobbed.

Seems the internet is about to surpass TV in a big way in the Philippines here mosukoshi. I'm pretty sure it already has done so in places like America. And try putting Arnel in a mall now, I'll bet his ass gets mobbed like nobody's business now.

BTW - Who's Martin and/or Regine? Because I've never heard a song from them.

internet won't surpass TV yet in the P.I., not just yet, almost all if not all household has a TV set, but only a percentage of the populace has computers in their homes and a lot lower percentage have internet connection ...

but for sure AP will still get mobbed, probably from the airport the moment he lands in the P.I., he he ...

in the PI they area BIG Stars, you'll see or hear them on TV or radio, regularly...