The WTF Annex Message Board - My Thoughts

[mgstar1964]

Alright - truce - no more for me - its finished, and its all good - I'm going to watch tv and do something productive with my evening ...

[Luvsaugeri]

:lol: Naked streaker passing through this thread..........

[Andrew]

[quote]MGSTAR1964

If you return to WTF, you will see my reply there.

Out of respect for Drew, I will not post it here.

I don't see why you could not just post your thoughts on both boards without mentioniong WTF here.

I know Drew is not interested in any fighting between the boards - and neither is anyone at WTF.

Many of the members of WTF and of MR post on both boards without dramatic pronouncement.

Apologies, Drew.

Cat[/quote]

Thanks...not your fault. I'm at a loss as to why this has to be posted here also and cross refernced. Trouble in waiting...now...I have to read thru the next 5 pages

[Andrew]

Jeff has moved on & Journey has moved on.. that's good enough for me. Criticizing the band and their direction surely
isn't doing any good.

Precisely.

[Andrew]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

how'd this issue get brought into the mix?? Dead and buried...over and done.

[Andrew]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

Agree gunbot, Andrew will get that interview.

If and when...door's always open, but for now....better off moving along.

[mgstar1964]

It seems as though once again, the point of this thread was lost - it had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Andrew is getting an interview with Journey or Steve Perry ... That was merely a sidebar in this craziness today ...

[Don]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

Agree gunbot, Andrew will get that interview.

If and when...door's always open, but for now....better off moving along.

I was actually responding to a post where someone said the band screwed you over. I should have quoted, sorry.
The interview I'm talking about us hoping you get is SP.

[Since 78]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

Agree gunbot, Andrew will get that interview.

If and when...door's always open, but for now....better off moving along.

I was actually responding to a post where someone said the band screwed you over. I should have quoted, sorry.
The interview I'm talking about us hoping you get is SP.

I thought this one got derailed on page 2. Damn!! Some people just don't know when to quit!!

[mgstar1964]

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ... So, it seems as though my original post was a bit misconstrued ... Its okay to overlook the previous issues by previous vocalists (SP, SA), yet the band is continually being bashed and criticized for their handling of the JSS issue, and Arnel is being criticized for things beyond his control, and for racist reasons, to boot, which totally sucks ...

I'm saying that, in spite of the 10-year gap w/ Perry and the "forced hiatus", I'm still a fan of his, as I am a fan of the SA era, and the JSS era when he played live with them (I saw him 4X on that tour - he must have done something right for me to keep going back) ...

It just seems like nobody could get past what the band did in a "business sense," some 14 months later and the negativity is really just saddening ...

Nothing more, nothing less ... Let's not overanalyze everything and dissect this to a microcosm, when it was really the "macro" sentiment that I was aiming for ... No need to be so sensitive over this ...

Michael

[Rick]

Well at least the naked lady running was kinda funny.

[artist4perry]

the pro-SP crowd (Lora)

Hey?!?!? When did I become a crowd?

Lora, do you have split personalities we did not know about?

[Since 78]

Lady,

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ... So, it seems as though my original post was a bit misconstrued ... Its okay to overlook the previous issues by previous vocalists (SP, SA), yet the band is continually being bashed and criticized for their handling of the JSS issue, and Arnel is being criticized for things beyond his control, and for racist reasons, to boot, which totally sucks ...

I'm saying that, in spite of the 10-year gap w/ Perry and the "forced hiatus", I'm still a fan of his, as I am a fan of the SA era, and the JSS era when he played live with them (I saw him 4X on that tour - he must have done something right for me to keep going back) ...

It just seems like nobody could get past what the band did in a "business sense," some 14 months later and the negativity is really just saddening ...

Nothing more, nothing less ... Let's not overanalyze everything and dissect this to a microcosm, when it was really the "macro" sentiment that I was aiming for ... No need to be so sensitive over this ...

Michael

Thanks for clearing that up Rick!!

And Michael, I am about the least sensitive person on this Board! I don't give a Rip who anyone likes. Just don't get in my face about it.

Carry on!!

Mark

[Don]

Lady,

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ... So, it seems as though my original post was a bit misconstrued ... Its okay to overlook the previous issues by previous vocalists (SP, SA), yet the band is continually being bashed and criticized for their handling of the JSS issue, and Arnel is being criticized for things beyond his control, and for racist reasons, to boot, which totally sucks ...

I'm saying that, in spite of the 10-year gap w/ Perry and the "forced hiatus", I'm still a fan of his, as I am a fan of the SA era, and the JSS era when he played live with them (I saw him 4X on that tour - he must have done something right for me to keep going back) ...

It just seems like nobody could get past what the band did in a "business sense," some 14 months later and the negativity is really just saddening ...

Nothing more, nothing less ... Let's not overanalyze everything and dissect this to a microcosm, when it was really the "macro" sentiment that I was aiming for ... No need to be so sensitive over this ...

Michael

Thanks for clearing that up Rick!!

And Michael, I am about the least sensitive person on this Board! I don't give a Rip who anyone likes. Just don't get in my face about it.

Carry on!!

Mark

You guys, I think dude was responding to a post from “walkslikealady” which disappeared. At least i think i saw a post.

[artist4perry]

Beshad,

I have, unfortunately, spent the last several posts trying to clarify something which was not so major to begin with ..

I wish you and everyone wouldn't take such offense, as none was seriously intended ...

And no, I'm not "pissing down my leg" and standing down because I'm afraid of anyone ... I don't know you or anyone here anyway ...

I happen to be friends offline, with a # of people from this board, personally, so I know my level of Journey-fandom is okay ...

Again, it is unfortunate that you, Lora, Cyndy, and everyone else are offended, as none was really intended, on a personal level to anyone ...

I only referenced your name in my first post as a double-entendre, and a joke, meant in humour, not with any malice ... that whole post was meant in sarcastic humour ...

Michael

where did i say that i was offended? i merely made an observation that those who were responding to your posts each seemed to be interpreting it in a different way. i never gave my opinion of the contents of your posts.

Out of curiosity, why do some of you guys use Lora and Cyndy's names and no one elses in reference? Why mention them specifically as if they were instigators for anyone who disagrees with you? The whole thing earlier with the "Pro SP crowd (Lora)" crack was uncalled for.
The original rant did have anti-Perry and anti-JSS comments. You ask for respect for Arnel then make scathing remarks against these two tallented gentlemen. I don't give a rip who you like or do not like. That is a personal thing. But understand if you throw slings and arrows some will come back.

[Since 78]

Lady,

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ... So, it seems as though my original post was a bit misconstrued ... Its okay to overlook the previous issues by previous vocalists (SP, SA), yet the band is continually being bashed and criticized for their handling of the JSS issue, and Arnel is being criticized for things beyond his control, and for racist reasons, to boot, which totally sucks ...

I'm saying that, in spite of the 10-year gap w/ Perry and the "forced hiatus", I'm still a fan of his, as I am a fan of the SA era, and the JSS era when he played live with them (I saw him 4X on that tour - he must have done something right for me to keep going back) ...

It just seems like nobody could get past what the band did in a "business sense," some 14 months later and the negativity is really just saddening ...

Nothing more, nothing less ... Let's not overanalyze everything and dissect this to a microcosm, when it was really the "macro" sentiment that I was aiming for ... No need to be so sensitive over this ...

Michael

Thanks for clearing that up Rick!!

And Michael, I am about the least sensitive person on this Board! I don't give a Rip who anyone likes. Just don't get in my face about it.

Carry on!!

Mark

You guys, I think dude was responding to a post from “walkslikealady” which disappeared. At least i think i saw a post.

Maybe. I was like, Dude you need freakin glasses!!

[Deb]

Lady,

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ... So, it seems as though my original post was a bit misconstrued ... Its okay to overlook the previous issues by previous vocalists (SP, SA), yet the band is continually being bashed and criticized for their handling of the JSS issue, and Arnel is being criticized for things beyond his control, and for racist reasons, to boot, which totally sucks ...

I'm saying that, in spite of the 10-year gap w/ Perry and the "forced hiatus", I'm still a fan of his, as I am a fan of the SA era, and the JSS era when he played live with them (I saw him 4X on that tour - he must have done something right for me to keep going back) ...

It just seems like nobody could get past what the band did in a "business sense," some 14 months later and the negativity is really just saddening ...

Nothing more, nothing less ... Let's not overanalyze everything and dissect this to a microcosm, when it was really the "macro" sentiment that I was aiming for ... No need to be so sensitive over this ...

Michael

Thanks for clearing that up Rick!!

And Michael, I am about the least sensitive person on this Board! I don't give a Rip who anyone likes. Just don't get in my face about it.

Carry on!!

Mark

You guys, I think dude was responding to a post from “walkslikealady” which disappeared. At least i think i saw a post.

Maybe. I was like, Dude you need freakin glasses!! :lol:

True dat! Hell you could pass for Sammy's twin brother.

[Moon Beam]

I love knowing that others have "I'm 5 again days", just bask in the laughter of it all.

[Since 78]

I love knowing that others have "I'm 5 again days", just bask in the laughter of it all.

Best post of the day!!

[WykkedSensation]

Same shit, different thread.

[bluejeangirl76]

Beshad,

Sorry if you were offended by my post, although I don't feel that I have to explain or justify my "Journey Credibility" to you, or anyone ... I was not intending to offend people, although it appears, unfortunately, that I have ...

The problem isn't that you posted your opinions about Journey-bashing, its that you needlessly dragged the name of another board into it, and that was pointed out to you right off, I believe. As (I believe it was Behshad) said, you could have easily posted your thoughts about it without dragging another board into it.

And when the word credibility first came up, which I think was from me, it wasn't about "Journey" credibility. I said that when you (also needlessly) threw those shots in about Perry and Jeff, you lost credibility immediately because the whole point of your post was about all the negativity and bashing of Journey, but there you are in the same breath doing the same thing.

There was nothing said to you that was on behalf of the "pro-SP" crowd. You yourself said you were a fan, yet you threw in crummy comments about him in a post that was berating another site for making crummy comments about Journey. So if people reacted to it, it isn't a "pro-SP" move, its a "dude, something way wrong in your train of thought here" move.

[Luvsaugeri]

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ... So, it seems as though my original post was a bit misconstrued ... Its okay to overlook the previous issues by previous vocalists (SP, SA), yet the band is continually being bashed and criticized for their handling of the JSS issue, and Arnel is being criticized for things beyond his control, and for racist reasons, to boot, which totally sucks ...

I'm saying that, in spite of the 10-year gap w/ Perry and the "forced hiatus", I'm still a fan of his, as I am a fan of the SA era, and the JSS era when he played live with them (I saw him 4X on that tour - he must have done something right for me to keep going back) ...

It just seems like nobody could get past what the band did in a "business sense," some 14 months later and the negativity is really just saddening ...

Nothing more, nothing less ... Let's not overanalyze everything and dissect this to a microcosm, when it was really the "macro" sentiment that I was aiming for ... No need to be so sensitive over this ...

Michael

UM...there is no hypocrisy. Some people are still angry over the way things went down with SP. Some people (myself included) are still angry over the way things transpired with SA. It's been well documented time and time again. Other people are upset over the treatment of JSS. I don't think anything is being overlooked. There are a great many people who have just had it with this band and they way the conduct their business. And that is everyone's right. It's a public band and a public forum. And the bashing of the band is justified IMO if that's how someone feels.

I do agree with you that the bashing of Arnel is not appropriate. BUT I will say that someone saying they don't care for Arnel or stating the reasons they do not care for him is NOT bashing. If it's done appropriately. It's an opinion.

Like I said before....read what you like and skip over what you don't like.

[bluejeangirl76]

I was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy, as people let past behaviors go with every other lead singer prior, and I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on, but they can't seem to let things go over there and constantly seem to refer to Journey's "behavior" as a band, even though we're not privy to their business decisions ...

UM...there is no hypocrisy.

There *is* hypocrisy.

But all of it was in the first post of this thread.

"I was only trying to suggest that people let the issues from June, 2007 with JSS go already - he has moved on"

Then I might suggest letting go of the issues from 1996, as Journey and Perry have BOTH moved on. But there it was in the first post...

"Perry, while still an active part of Journey, screwed over everyone, including his fellow bandmates and of course, us, the fans ... Yet, we didn't hold that against either Journey OR PERRY, and many still love Perry to this day, despite his 10 years of continued silence."

Anyone making comments like that has NOT moved on and has no place berating others for not moving or for feeling negatively toward the band as people. As musicians, they're great and I enjoy that. That's their job. As PEOPLE I don't have to like them and I DON'T have to respect the way they've treated ALL of their past lead singers.

Maybe when I stop hearing about how Perry is responsible for god damn every wrong thing under the sun, I'll look into letting Pinky and the Brain slide on some of their douchebaggery. Until then, I'm happy to spin the discs and ignore the drama (until it comes up here that is, lol!).

[annpea]

I don't really get your point, dude! You're bitching about someone on another board being critical of this incarnation of Journey. At the end of the day, some people are simply tired of the ENDLESS incarnations of the band with the same name, and a new lead singer, every 20 minutes If that's how someone truly feels, that's their right. The other thing I think is worth mentioning is that some people make statements for no other reason, but effect! Some people just like stirring the pot. That said, if you love the current version of the guys calling themselves Journey, that's your right. If someone else doesn't care for these guys, that's their right. As someone previously mentioned in this thread...if you want endless ass kissing and sucking up to all things Journey, www.journeymusic.com is the place you want to visit. The shit gets so thick over there, you need a shovel to dig your way out! In the meantime, other boards actually allow people to have their own opinions, even if others don't agree with those opinions!


John from Boston

I Agree, you couldn't have stated any better.

[Tito]

PS! Andrew tried his best to keep this place a PRO-Journey forum and got shit on by the band.

But not soon enough. The band did not shit on him.

[Tito]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

Who are we talking about? I have it narrowed down to Howie Simon and Gary Schutt.

[Tito]

the pro-SP crowd (Lora)

Hey?!?!? When did I become a crowd?

This could possibly have been in explained in the Cyndy Poon and Lora Beard appreciation thread.

[Deb]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

Who are we talking about? I have it narrowed down to Howie Simon and Gary Schutt.

Mr. P of course! Since when have Gary or Howie ever been in Journey?

[Tito]

Out of curiosity, why do some of you guys use Lora and Cyndy's names and no one elses in reference? Why mention them specifically as if they were instigators for anyone who disagrees with you? The whole thing earlier with the "Pro SP crowd (Lora)" crack was uncalled for.
The original rant did have anti-Perry and anti-JSS comments. You ask for respect for Arnel then make scathing remarks against these two tallented gentlemen. I don't give a rip who you like or do not like. That is a personal thing. But understand if you throw slings and arrows some will come back.

They're superstars, that's why.

[bluejeangirl76]

I don't see it as much of a lost that Andrew didn't get an interview with this current lineup of Journey, he's had plenty of other informative moments with the band. The Wombat only needs one more guest to complete the circle and we all know who that is.

Who are we talking about? I have it narrowed down to Howie Simon and Gary Schutt.

Mr. P of course!

As previously stated, (er... by me) his full name is now Steve Motherfuckin' Perry. (and if it's not legally, it should be) As in... "Look!! Over by the Starbucks condiment counter... that's Steve Motherfuckin' Perry!!!"

There was a time where just "Steve Perry" was sufficient in conveying his full awesomeness, but he's so legendary that now, "Steve Perry" is actually synonomous with "awesome", so the proper reference for the man himself had to be improved. Feel free to use SMP for short.

The more you know.