OT: age issue in the olympics, does it matter?

[journeypower]

Now that's interesting. Nowhere have I read the mention of age charts from previous events listing their ages as 13 and 14, nor have I read media reports covering events mentioning their ages - all of which have now vanished from the interent. Seems the only place I've read any of those things is from you.

Here you go.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 578241.ece

No comment on this Sushi Hunter? Ignorance IS bliss, I guess.

which nation is the supposed hacker from?

What's it matter?

it does matter. if the hacker is comin from a nation which is a medal contender, clearly it's much about winning medals. but if the hacker were from somewhere else, it's much more about fairness. I don't think a person like that would waste his time on things that does not concern his nation's medal haul. I would be happy to see if this supposed hacker would also browse and do some investigative work on other sports and other nations' welfare. thereby, eliminating the issue on partisanship.

More likely this girl is so obviously not 16 years old he took it upon himself to see what he could find. Your anti American bias is much more evident than this hackers pro American bias.

Besides that, who CARES what his motivation was? He found the goods and the IOC is investigating. If there were nothing to it, they wouldn't waste their time and risk offending the almighty super duper clean and innocent nation of China.

actually, it's your statement that shows more prejudice Barb, no offense. if it is another country is concerned and seems to have issues, you say a lot of things, but if a fellow compatriot who is concerned, you dont give it much of an issue. an american does it, so who cares, right? they are entitled to do what they want without repercussion. that sounds more biased. anyway Barb, please read and understand the last sentence of my previos post and see how biased I really am.

[journeypower]

China has won 47 gold medals. I don't hear any other controversy except for this one and it's justified. Your point is not valid.

People SHOULD be pissed about the vault scoring that I mentioned above, but they're not... perhaps everyone feels like the underage thing is more of an outrage because it has to do with the Chinese government...

you hit the nail there Sarah.

[journeypower]

Ok, gymnists have to be 16 before the end of the Olympic year, yet there is a 14 year old diving right now. Are there different rules for different sports?

Yes there are. Gymnast have a higher age to reach because of natural body development being a factor in the event. For example a 60 pound10 year old is less likely to bunny hop than a 17 year old whose developed breast may affect her balance on landing.

true, but how can you determine if a girl is underage or not? besides, the Chinese girls and actual chinese girls really have small breasts, if not, flat-chested. anyhow, I didn't hear any complaints about Shawn Johnson on how young she looks.

[journeypower]

fyi Barb, if you just knew, I really want the U.S. gymnastics team (women) to win because they are really good. but they, lost overall and I respect that even if it saddens me. they lost a very close battle and made some very crucial mistakes (the landing and out of bounds in the floor exercises).
nevermind the men's gymnastics, totally different scenerio. still think I'm biased?

[Barb]

Now that's interesting. Nowhere have I read the mention of age charts from previous events listing their ages as 13 and 14, nor have I read media reports covering events mentioning their ages - all of which have now vanished from the interent. Seems the only place I've read any of those things is from you.

Here you go.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 578241.ece

No comment on this Sushi Hunter? Ignorance IS bliss, I guess.

which nation is the supposed hacker from?

What's it matter?

it does matter. if the hacker is comin from a nation which is a medal contender, clearly it's much about winning medals. but if the hacker were from somewhere else, it's much more about fairness. I don't think a person like that would waste his time on things that does not concern his nation's medal haul. I would be happy to see if this supposed hacker would also browse and do some investigative work on other sports and other nations' welfare. thereby, eliminating the issue on partisanship.

More likely this girl is so obviously not 16 years old he took it upon himself to see what he could find. Your anti American bias is much more evident than this hackers pro American bias.

Besides that, who CARES what his motivation was? He found the goods and the IOC is investigating. If there were nothing to it, they wouldn't waste their time and risk offending the almighty super duper clean and innocent nation of China.

actually, it's your statement that shows more prejudice Barb, no offense. if it is another country is concerned and seems to have issues, you say a lot of things, but if a fellow compatriot who is concerned, you dont give it much of an issue. an american does it, so who cares, right? they are entitled to do what they want without repercussion. that sounds more biased. anyway Barb, please read and understand the last sentence of my previos post and see how biased I really am.

What are you even talking about? Where in this thread (or anywhere here) has there been a discussion about an American athlete either cheating or competing illegally where I say there should be no reprecussions?

[Barb]

Ok, gymnists have to be 16 before the end of the Olympic year, yet there is a 14 year old diving right now. Are there different rules for different sports?

Yes there are. Gymnast have a higher age to reach because of natural body development being a factor in the event. For example a 60 pound10 year old is less likely to bunny hop than a 17 year old whose developed breast may affect her balance on landing.

true, but how can you determine if a girl is underage or not? besides, the Chinese girls and actual chinese girls really have small breasts, if not, flat-chested. anyhow, I didn't hear any complaints about Shawn Johnson on how young she looks.

I apologize, JP. For some reason I thought Sushi made thaat comment and my response was based on that comment added to all of his others. I think it may be time for me to get some glasses.

[Luvsaugeri]

UGH....this thread is nuts. I feel dumber and dumber the more I read it!!! I just don't get the logic of some people. They can turn anything into something racist!!

[Don]

UGH....this thread is nuts. I feel dumber and dumber the more I read it!!! I just don't get the logic of some people. They can turn anything into something racist!!

Stop bumping it. Let it just go away, now look, i've fucking bumped it.

[RedWingFan]

Now that's interesting. Nowhere have I read the mention of age charts from previous events listing their ages as 13 and 14, nor have I read media reports covering events mentioning their ages - all of which have now vanished from the interent. Seems the only place I've read any of those things is from you.

Here you go.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 578241.ece

No comment on this Sushi Hunter? Ignorance IS bliss, I guess.

which nation is the supposed hacker from?

What's it matter?

it does matter. if the hacker is comin from a nation which is a medal contender, clearly it's much about winning medals. but if the hacker were from somewhere else, it's much more about fairness. I don't think a person like that would waste his time on things that does not concern his nation's medal haul. I would be happy to see if this supposed hacker would also browse and do some investigative work on other sports and other nations' welfare.

So cheating is only cheating if it's called out by a third party?
If someone keys your car and you happen to take video of the vandal doing it. Your video should be inadmissable in court because you took the video? Very stupid logic you use JP.

duh! did you even bother to read the last sentence?

duh! Guess you didn't care to address the analogy that exposes your retarded logic? If it can be called logic.
Yeah the "American hacker" could only gain credibility by scouring the records of every athlete at the games. Amazingly stupid....

[T-Bone]

So, with that analogy, kids who want to drive, although the age is 16, should be able to drive as long as they REALLY want to. And they'll be able to drink if they REALLY REALLY want to. We wouldn't want to discorage them A Rule is a Rule and it's for a reason... They cheated, lied about it, and are now... busted!

first, driving is not an olympic sport, nor is drinking. it is also not advisable to do acrobatics while driving and in the influence of alcohol. what's your next analogy? sex at the age of 12? please, if you are going to make an analogy, dont go off-topic or you'll miss the point.

Looks like you were the one who missed the point... The analogy was the fact that these things all have age limits that are set in stone. They are there for a reason. China made the decision to cover up their real ages to allow them to do what they wanted. It was against the rules, they KNEW it was against the rules and they still did it...

[stevew2]

Ok, gymnists have to be 16 before the end of the Olympic year, yet there is a 14 year old diving right now. Are there different rules for different sports?

Yes there are. Gymnast have a higher age to reach because of natural body development being a factor in the event. For example a 60 pound10 year old is less likely to bunny hop than a 17 year old whose developed breast may affect her balance on landing.

true, but how can you determine if a girl is underage or not? besides, the Chinese girls and actual chinese girls really have small breasts, if not, flat-chested. anyhow, I didn't hear any complaints about Shawn Johnson on how young she looks.

Chinese girls have flat butts

[The Sushi Hunter]

Ok, gymnists have to be 16 before the end of the Olympic year, yet there is a 14 year old diving right now. Are there different rules for different sports?

Yes there are. Gymnast have a higher age to reach because of natural body development being a factor in the event. For example a 60 pound10 year old is less likely to bunny hop than a 17 year old whose developed breast may affect her balance on landing.

true, but how can you determine if a girl is underage or not? besides, the Chinese girls and actual chinese girls really have small breasts, if not, flat-chested. anyhow, I didn't hear any complaints about Shawn Johnson on how young she looks.

Chinese girls have flat butts

Sorry to hear that. None of the one's I've loved were flat, in either places.

Just got back from San Diego two hours ago this morning. I love that place! I feel like I ripped someone off though cause I drove from San Diego to San Francisco via 163/15 North, 91 West, 71 North, 57 West, I-5 North, 152 West, 101 North, all in six hours and forty-five minutes without getting a speeding ticket. Someone must love me.

[journeypower]

Now that's interesting. Nowhere have I read the mention of age charts from previous events listing their ages as 13 and 14, nor have I read media reports covering events mentioning their ages - all of which have now vanished from the interent. Seems the only place I've read any of those things is from you.

Here you go.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 578241.ece

No comment on this Sushi Hunter? Ignorance IS bliss, I guess.

which nation is the supposed hacker from?

What's it matter?

it does matter. if the hacker is comin from a nation which is a medal contender, clearly it's much about winning medals. but if the hacker were from somewhere else, it's much more about fairness. I don't think a person like that would waste his time on things that does not concern his nation's medal haul. I would be happy to see if this supposed hacker would also browse and do some investigative work on other sports and other nations' welfare.

So cheating is only cheating if it's called out by a third party?
If someone keys your car and you happen to take video of the vandal doing it. Your video should be inadmissable in court because you took the video? Very stupid logic you use JP.

duh! did you even bother to read the last sentence?

duh! Guess you didn't care to address the analogy that exposes your retarded logic? If it can be called logic.
Yeah the "American hacker" could only gain credibility by scouring the records of every athlete at the games. Amazingly stupid....

Yeah, God Bless America, right?

[Barb]

Amazing how you've shifted the focus from the actual government documents found giving her real age to the nationality of the hacker who found them. It doesn't matter. The Chinese will present fake birth certificates or something and the IOC will say, oh, okay and all will be done and over with. Nastia is better off anyway. I'd rather get screwed out my gold medal and get to come back to America and be free to do what I want than win a gold medal and be stuck in China being a slave to that government.

[7 Wishes]

According to Bob Costas, up to FIVE of those little runts are being investigated by the IOC for suspicions of being underage - new information has apparently surfaced.

I nave no respect for people who bend the rules to win - cheating at the Olympics is lower than low. I hope they get turned out and the entire Chinese National Team gets banned for London 2012.

[Barb]

According to Bob Costas, up to FIVE of those little runts are being investigated by the IOC for suspicions of being underage - new information has apparently surfaced.

I nave no respect for people who bend the rules to win - cheating at the Olympics is lower than low. I hope they get turned out and the entire Chinese National Team gets banned for London 2012.

Something we agree on. Nice!

[7 Wishes]

Heh!

Probably most issues outside politics, I'd think. I'm tired of people insinuating any individual trying to prove those elementary schoolers are under 16 shouldn't be allowed to if their country competed in the Olympics.

[journeypower]

Amazing how you've shifted the focus from the actual government documents found giving her real age to the nationality of the hacker who found them. It doesn't matter. The Chinese will present fake birth certificates or something and the IOC will say, oh, okay and all will be done and over with. Nastia is better off anyway. I'd rather get screwed out my gold medal and get to come back to America and be free to do what I want than win a gold medal and be stuck in China being a slave to that government.

it is called "a person of interest" and motive in law practice Barb. I cannot simply drop that idea as well. even in law practice, a witness' credibility and motive is put into question. this is nothing personal but rather finding out the reasons behind it as well. for the lay person it is considered as nothing or doesn't matter, but in law, that thing is considered a big deal. the point here Barb, is to show why the hacker was intent on discovering a single piece of fact on one department, if he has the ability of cracking other results as well? maybe because that's the only much publicized issue? maybe because it has got something to do with his nation's winning the gold? motive does matter if such fact-finding mission is only limited to one particularity. as I had mentioned on my initial post, there are other events that needed cracking, so why concentrate on one that is highly publicized? isn't that unfair?

[7 Wishes]

This doesn't change the fact that MULTIPLE sources from numerous different countries have dug up this evidence - not just one wayward American hacker. The evidence is overwhelming - it's just a matter of the IOC putting the public interest ahead of their own agenda (to have a "seamless" games in one of the most oppressive nations on earth).

It's also too bad NONE of our athletes used their exposure and this momentary international platform to decry the human rights abuses in China. I found that extremely disappointing, albeit quite predictable.

[S2M]

This doesn't change the fact that MULTIPLE sources from numerous different countries have dug up this evidence - not just one wayward American hacker. The evidence is overwhelming - it's just a matter of the IOC putting the public interest ahead of their own agenda (to have a "seamless" games in one of the most oppressive nations on earth).

It's also too bad NONE of our athletes used their exposure and this momentary international platform to decry the human rights abuses in China. I found that extremely disappointing, albeit quite predictable.

Wouldn't that be like a hollywood celebrity mouthing off about politics?

[The Sushi Hunter]

Amazing how you've shifted the focus from the actual government documents found giving her real age to the nationality of the hacker who found them. It doesn't matter. The Chinese will present fake birth certificates or something and the IOC will say, oh, okay and all will be done and over with. Nastia is better off anyway. I'd rather get screwed out my gold medal and get to come back to America and be free to do what I want than win a gold medal and be stuck in China being a slave to that government.

We just want you to be a more happy person Barb, or at least I do.

[7 Wishes]

Wouldn't that be like a hollywood celebrity mouthing off about politics?

Any public figure has a right to opine about politics or anything else.

Rush Limbaugh - a high school dropout who lived on welfare for six years and avoided the Vietnam draft because of an anal cyst - gives his opinion about politics for HOURS A DAY. Why is he more qualified than a Hollywood celebrity?

In this day and age, whatever gets a positive message across is fine. Someone needed to speak out about China, and no-one did. Very sad.

[Barb]

Amazing how you've shifted the focus from the actual government documents found giving her real age to the nationality of the hacker who found them. It doesn't matter. The Chinese will present fake birth certificates or something and the IOC will say, oh, okay and all will be done and over with. Nastia is better off anyway. I'd rather get screwed out my gold medal and get to come back to America and be free to do what I want than win a gold medal and be stuck in China being a slave to that government.

We just want you to be a more happy person Barb, or at least I do.

I'm extremely happy. Don't worry!

[Sarah]

In this day and age, whatever gets a positive message across is fine. Someone needed to speak out about China, and no-one did. Very sad.

The Olympics are not supposed to be about that. They're supposed to be about the world coming together and putting their differences aside for 2 weeks to play some sports. Thank God no one did what you're saying, it would have ruined the spirit of the games imo

[RocknRoll]

In this day and age, whatever gets a positive message across is fine. Someone needed to speak out about China, and no-one did. Very sad.

The Olympics are not supposed to be about that. They're supposed to be about the world coming together and putting their differences aside for 2 weeks to play some sports. Thank God no one did what you're saying, it would have ruined the spirit of the games imo

Sarah - I agree with you 100%. There is a time and a place for everything.

[7 Wishes]

The Olympics are not supposed to be about that. They're supposed to be about the world coming together and putting their differences aside for 2 weeks to play some sports. Thank God no one did what you're saying, it would have ruined the spirit of the games imo

I completely disagree. There was no better time THAN the Olympics to bring attention to the horrible abuses China inflicts on its own people and others throughout the world. This is not a matter of "differences". It is a matter of the slaughter of the innocents, and religious persecution.

[Barb]

In this day and age, whatever gets a positive message across is fine. Someone needed to speak out about China, and no-one did. Very sad.

The Olympics are not supposed to be about that. They're supposed to be about the world coming together and putting their differences aside for 2 weeks to play some sports. Thank God no one did what you're saying, it would have ruined the spirit of the games imo

Right. And anyone who did try to protest were locked up in re-education camps. Let's just pretend nothing is wrong over there and enjoy the olympics.