OT- GPS Tracking, Next Stop "You"

[scarygirl]

SMALL ANIMALS

SEX OFFENDERS

ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS

LAZY PARENTS AND THEIR KIDS

TRUANTS AND RUN AWAYS

All being outfitted with 24 HOUR GPS monitoring. When will this stop? Where will this stop? More specifically, will you have the gaul and vigor to just say NO! God, I hope so. Otherwise, we can kiss our FREEDOM good bye. Next stop CHINA.

[StevePerryHair]

SMALL ANIMALS

SEX OFFENDERS

ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS

LAZY PARENTS AND THEIR KIDS

TRUANTS AND RUN AWAYS

All being outfitted with 24 HOUR GPS monitoring. When will this stop? Where will this stop? More specifically, will you have the gaul and vigor to just say NO! God, I hope so. Otherwise, we can kiss our FREEDOM good bye. Next stop CHINA.

I do not have a problem with them using it on people who do not use their freedoms responsibly or for people who could be a harm to themselves such as Alzheimer's patients. Sex offenders lose their rights to freedoms and since our prisons can't keep them there for life, I have no problem with that type of monitoring. Truants and Run aways are minors, and minors have never had rights.

[scarygirl]

SMALL ANIMALS

SEX OFFENDERS

ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS

LAZY PARENTS AND THEIR KIDS

TRUANTS AND RUN AWAYS

All being outfitted with 24 HOUR GPS monitoring. When will this stop? Where will this stop? More specifically, will you have the gaul and vigor to just say NO! God, I hope so. Otherwise, we can kiss our FREEDOM good bye. Next stop CHINA.

I do not have a problem with them using it on people who do not use their freedoms responsibly or for people who could be a harm to themselves such as Alzheimer's patients. Sex offenders lose their rights to freedoms and since our prisons can't keep them there for life, I have no problem with that type of monitoring. Truants and Run aways are minors, and minors have never had rights.

Minors do have rights. In the case of run aways, you have to ask, what are they running from? In some cases, it's abusive homes. You don't see a problem with abusive parents being able to track a kid's every move? This technology can be abused in the wrong hands. In cases of sexual abuse, they are often sticking the kids back with the offending parents. Yes, this happens. It's called reunification. As to people who could be harmful to themselves, I ask where does this stop? Do we start tracking being with various forms of mental illness? What about those who have had problems in the past, but have straightened themselves out? Hardened criminals are one thing, but we are basically lowering the bar so much that eventually we will all be tracked. Does that not scare you in the least?

As to sex offenders, I am against GPS tracking. I'd much rather see them executed or in jail for a million years.

[scarygirl]

Oh and all new cars, if this hasnt happened already, are being equipped with GPS so insurance companies can monitor our driving. Does this not scare you? Scares the crap out of me.

Back to the minors issue, what happens when these minors grow up ? Will we stop tracking them then? Or will we come up with some new excuse.

All of this concern about the greater good is just a smoke screen. I don't understand why more people can't see it.

[StevePerryHair]

Minors do have rights. In the case of run aways, you have to ask, what are they running from? In some cases, it's abusive homes. You don't see a problem with abusive parents being able to track a kid's every move? This technology can be abused in the wrong hands. In cases of sexual abuse, they are often sticking the kids back with the offending parents. Yes, this happens. It's called reunification. As to people who could be harmful to themselves, I ask where does this stop? Do we start tracking being with various forms of mental illness? What about those who have had problems in the past, but have straightened themselves out? Hardened criminals are one thing, but we are basically lowering the bar so much that eventually we will all be tracked. Does that not scare you in the least?

As to sex offenders, I am against GPS tracking. I'd much rather see them executed or in jail for a million years.

Minors have very few rights in this country. And it's up to the courts to hear all of the testimonies and things that lead up to a runaway needing GPS. I can only assume it is a judge who can order such a thing, and if there is an abusive situation, I would not imagine they would suggest it in most cases.

Alzheimer's patients aren't just a harm to themselves. They do not even know who they are and get easily confused. They can wonder off and it happens all the time. Unfortunatley eldery care in this country sucks and if a families need all the help they can so I dont' see a problem with it.

And SADLY sex offenders will NEVER be executed or in jail for a million years. Do you know why? Because as I said above. There are very few rights for children in this country. Our laws protecting children SUCK. In a perfect world, it's the laws that need changed,but they won't be. The weakest of our world are always the ones who suffer. If sex offenders are going to be let out, then GPS is an option way better than what they have been doing.

[scarygirl]

I understand fully that children are the least protected. I don't think GPS is the answer. GPS is the lazy way out. As much as I hate Sex Offenders, and boy do I hate them. I'm not willing to give up my freedoms due to the actions of a few.

Again though, you didn't answer my question. Did you know that there are parents who are chipping their children so they can keep track of them? It's called RFID. It's been used for years in retail environments and aninmal populations. Now, it is being marketed as a way of protecting children and certain special populations such as Alzheimer's patients. Again, I ask, what happens if these people don't want to be tracked? In the case of children, will they be able to remove this chip when they grow up? What happens when people are labeled with Alzheimers for example, for the sake of being labeled for ill means?

[StevePerryHair]

I understand fully that children are the least protected. I don't think GPS is the answer. GPS is the lazy way out. As much as I hate Sex Offenders, and boy do I hate them. I'm not willing to give up my freedoms due to the actions of a few.

Again though, you didn't answer my question. Did you know that there are parents who are chipping their children so they can keep track of them? It's called RFID. It's been used for years in retail environments and aninmal populations. Now, it is being marketed as a way of protecting children and certain special populations such as Alzheimer's patients. Again, I ask, what happens if these people don't want to be tracked? In the case of children, will they be able to remove this chip when they grow up? What happens when people are labeled with Alzheimers for example, for the sake of being labeled for ill means?

Everything you are talking about here is decided by a judge. Judges hear all sides of the stories and there are lawyers involved. And yes our court systems are not perfect and mistakes are made. That's why guilty people get out and innocent people do jail time. But it's all we have and I have to trust that in most cases it is a fair system.

And you would rather see a sex offender answer to a parole officer regularly and not be tracked than see him being monitored? I'd rather see him monitored. He lost his rights when he commited that act as far as I'm concerned. I dont' see how my "freedoms" are being taken away. If I am a law abiding citizen, I do not see how this will affect my freedom.

[Behshad]

Oh and all new cars, if this hasnt happened already, are being equipped with GPS so insurance companies can monitor our driving. Does this not scare you? Scares the crap out of me.

Back to the minors issue, what happens when these minors grow up ? Will we stop tracking them then? Or will we come up with some new excuse.

All of this concern about the greater good is just a smoke screen. I don't understand why more people can't see it.

Can we talk about a bit too much paranoia?

GPS device on a car is OPTIONAL.
AND Insurance companies have NO WAY of tracking you even if you do have the GPS in your car, unless you give them your GPS ID#.

And if you truly think that the BIG BROTHER watching us = No more freedom, then wake up and smell the roses, cause that freedom sailed away decades ago....

And finally, "Scares the crap out of me?" ,,, coming from scary girl !?

[scarygirl]

And you would rather see a sex offender answer to a parole officer regularly and not be tracked than see him being monitored? I'd rather see him monitored. He lost his rights when he commited that act as far as I'm concerned. I dont' see how my "freedoms" are being taken away. If I am a law abiding citizen, I do not see how this will affect my freedom.

I'd rather that not happen because eventually it will be you and me being tracked. The whole thing with all new cars being equipped with black boxes so they can see how well or not well we are driving? They are doing that so they can raise your rates without the fuss and muss of actually being caught. Sounds like you are being treated as a criminal without a trial.

The laws that we have on the books are more than adequate for stopping sex offenders, and, different topic. Illegal immigrants as well. They're just not using them. Why? Control. If things seem out of control that stokes fear. Fear stokes greater feelings of helplessness which leads to more strigent means which leads to greater government control.

[scarygirl]

Oh and all new cars, if this hasnt happened already, are being equipped with GPS so insurance companies can monitor our driving. Does this not scare you? Scares the crap out of me.

Back to the minors issue, what happens when these minors grow up ? Will we stop tracking them then? Or will we come up with some new excuse.

All of this concern about the greater good is just a smoke screen. I don't understand why more people can't see it.

Can we talk about a bit too much paranoia?

GPS device on a car is OPTIONAL.
AND Insurance companies have NO WAY of tracking you even if you do have the GPS in your car, unless you give them your GPS ID#.

And if you truly think that the BIG BROTHER watching us = No more freedom, then wake up and smell the roses, cause that freedom sailed away decades ago....

And finally, "Scares the crap out of me?" ,,, coming from scary girl !?

GPS is optional, for now. Won't be in the future. And to the people that are being chosen to be tracked, little kids, and people that are supposedly senile, that's not a choice.

This is just amazing to me. The things that people will submit to, all in the name of security.

[bluejeangirl76]

Can we talk about a bit too much paranoia?

GPS device on a car is OPTIONAL.
AND Insurance companies have NO WAY of tracking you even if you do have the GPS in your car, unless you give them your GPS ID#.

GPS is awesome. A lot of rental car companies have it now, which is excellent for travelers who aren't familiar with the area, etc. When Rip came up, his rental car had GPS... except he was so busy Indokktrinating me and Rhi, he missed all his turns.

But I'm with you on that Behshad. Too much conspiracy theory these days. Chipping a pet so it can be returned to you and computer car navigation isn't going to be the end of us.

Where's a link to something that actually says for a fact that GPS is going to become standard, or never mind a link, even a named source? Because that sounds way off. Services like GPS and satellite radio are optional because those services are expensive. They can't force people to subscribe, so they give you the option. IF you WANT it, they can offer it. If not, you don't get it. Or a link to something that actually says for a fact that insurance companies plan to try to use GPS to watch people? Other than tell where you are, what can they possible tell from that?

My cell phone has GPS ability... I haven't activated it yet, but it would be a serious help for long trips and area I don't know that well. Unless of course Secret Agent Man is hiding in a bush along I-294. That would suck.

[scarygirl]

Here's one AP article concerning the truant student issue. If you read, the tracking is 24/7, outside of school. Back 50 years ago, we didn't need mother government to ensure that kids were in school. We had parents.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409322,00.html

Here's another about insurance and GPS. Yes, it is voluntary, for now. My whole point is, what happens when it's not?

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http://newsroom.progressive.com/2004/Au ... sense.aspx[/url]

Despite the naysayers here, I don't think my fears are based on paranoia The little things we accept as normal and good are not normal and not good. If you want to GPS your car so taht you can get to where you are going, fine. It's also a great way to track inventory. People are another matter. They are not cattle to be tracked.

This one was stopped, thank God. If it hadn't been for the vigilance of parents this would have been allowed like it was no big deal. It is a big deal. Your civil liberties are precious.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/surveillance/2005-02-16-no-student-surveillance_x.htm

Has anyone here ever stopped to think that by people being so casual and voluntary with their civil liberties that it only makes it harder for people who are not so casual and not so voluntary with their civil liberties to say "no?" When does a choice cease to be a choice when the consequences are so dire that they give in.