Seriously! Who Would You Vote For President? And Why?

[edcha]

Why don't you just research the candidates and form your own opinions instead of letting others decide for you?

Any argument you get ITT is going to be really biased. Maybe most people here lean a certain way, then you won't get a real picture of the situation at all. Better start out voting by doing it right, or don't vote at all.

BECAUSE, it allows scape goats................

Hey WIX!
Is that usually your objective when you try to get people's ideas/opinions? I would say, that's really pathetic...you've got to change for the better!
BTW, I never resort to "scapegoating" all my life...I hate it!
My style is----if time is not limiting, I try to get all available possible info and opinions about something I'm interested in---then make my own final rational decision...Anything that transpires after that is charge to my own behind! As they say, "the buck stops right there"! ...or something like that..

[Rick]

Why don't you just research the candidates and form your own opinions instead of letting others decide for you?

Any argument you get ITT is going to be really biased. Maybe most people here lean a certain way, then you won't get a real picture of the situation at all. Better start out voting by doing it right, or don't vote at all.

BECAUSE, it allows scape goats................

Hey WIX!
Is that usually your objective when you try to get people's ideas/opinions? I would say, that's really pathetic...you've got to change for the better!
BTW, I never resort to "scapegoating" all my life...I hate it!
My style is----if time is not limiting, I try to get all available possible info and opinions about something I'm interested in---then make my own final rational decision...Anything that transpires after that is charge to my own behind! As they say, "the buck stops right there"! ...or something like that..

One thing to remember. Never, ever take Wix seriously. If you do, you'll think he's nuts.

[separate_wayz]

Why are you shouting/yelling at us?
Please, use the caps wisely.


later~

Well-taken. Not shouting...just emphasizing, instead of bolding...

No it's okay ..... some of us are hard of hearing.

[Rick]

Why are you shouting/yelling at us?
Please, use the caps wisely.


later~

Well-taken. Not shouting...just emphasizing, instead of bolding...

No it's okay ..... some of us are hard of hearing.

That would be me. Half blind and can't hear shit.

[edcha]

Why don't you just research the candidates and form your own opinions instead of letting others decide for you?

Any argument you get ITT is going to be really biased. Maybe most people here lean a certain way, then you won't get a real picture of the situation at all. Better start out voting by doing it right, or don't vote at all.

BECAUSE, it allows scape goats................

Hey WIX!
Is that usually your objective when you try to get people's ideas/opinions? I would say, that's really pathetic...you've got to change for the better!
BTW, I never resort to "scapegoating" all my life...I hate it!
My style is----if time is not limiting, I try to get all available possible info and opinions about something I'm interested in---then make my own final rational decision...Anything that transpires after that is charge to my own behind! As they say, "the buck stops right there"! ...or something like that..

One thing to remember. Never, ever take Wix seriously. If you do, you'll think he's nuts.

[edcha]

Why are you shouting/yelling at us?
Please, use the caps wisely.


later~

Well-taken. Not shouting...just emphasizing, instead of bolding...

No it's okay ..... some of us are hard of hearing.

THANKS FOR THE PERMISSION, SW !!!

[edcha]

Why are you shouting/yelling at us?
Please, use the caps wisely.


later~

Well-taken. Not shouting...just emphasizing, instead of bolding...

No it's okay ..... some of us are hard of hearing.

That would be me. Half blind and can't hear shit.

[Don]

We were talking about your thread title. Go look at it compared to the rest. It's all in caps like we might miss it or something. That's not gonna happen. We read everything around here.




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[edcha]

We were talking about your thread title. Go look at it compared to the rest. It's all in caps like we might miss it or something. That's not gonna happen. We read everything around here.




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That's for Rick!
...and for me, too...because I have a hard time finding my own threads!

[texafana]

Obama is a fake. I don't like his pauses, stuttering, like he's getting something sent in from a ear phone. I used to think he was the future, but I don't anymore. It takes more to run this country than a good (at times) speaking voice.

[S2M]

i know nothing about nothing.. but every election year ive heard the same thing..

popular vote isnt the deciding vote..

BINGO!

We have a winner!

The number one misconception of all times. Makes you wonder why we preach, teach, and play world police; spreading Democracy around the world when we aren't even a strict democracy ourselves....We are more of a Republic(REPUBLICAN)....

And another thing that bothers me....REALLY bothers me. All those pseudo-intellectuals who toss back that tired comeback: 'If you don't like it, move to another country'...This country is heading for a FALL. Just like Rome. Maybe not the same way, but it is just the same.....

I'm 40 in January, and have only voted ONCE in my life.....Don't think I'll ever vote again after the last TWO shams....and if you include this election's primaries.....People may not like Hiliary, but voting for a guy just because he is black is embarassing.

When popular vote means shite, time to re-evaluate your policies, bunky!

Not much has changed since feudal times....We are still tenant farmers. Just don't know we are, and have much more money for the powers that be to tax, take, and scheme than the originals.

[Voyager]

Obama is a fake. I don't like his pauses, stuttering, like he's getting something sent in from a ear phone. I used to think he was the future, but I don't anymore. It takes more to run this country than a good (at times) speaking voice.

Oh, c'mon, you expect us to believe that? You never liked him to begin with.

[7 Wishes]

Obama is a fake. I don't like his pauses, stuttering, like he's getting something sent in from a ear phone. I used to think he was the future, but I don't anymore. It takes more to run this country than a good (at times) speaking voice.

You are so full of shit. You've been tearing him a new asshole since day one.

Romney strikes me as insincere - and he was in charge of MY State, so I know a lot more about him than 98% of the people on this board.

And you're a hypocrite.

Do you remember the footage of McCain when his teleprompter slowed down and stopped? He was about as eloquent as George W. addressing a roomful of Cuban dissidents in Swahili.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdNBod154PI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrFHBMUhkYM&feature=related

Keep lobbing your diffused bombs in my direction. I have a response for EVERYTHING you throw at me. Good luck, son.

[S2M]

Obama is a fake. I don't like his pauses, stuttering, like he's getting something sent in from a ear phone. I used to think he was the future, but I don't anymore. It takes more to run this country than a good (at times) speaking voice.

You are so full of shit. You've been tearing him a new asshole since day one.

Romney strikes me as insincere - and he was in charge of MY State, so I know a lot more about him than 98% of the people on this board.

And you're a hypocrite.

Do you remember the footage of McCain when his teleprompter slowed down and stopped? He was about as eloquent as George W. addressing a roomful of Cuban dissidents in Swahili.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdNBod154PI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrFHBMUhkYM&feature=related

Keep lobbing your diffused bombs in my direction. I have a response for EVERYTHING you throw at me. Good luck, son.

Well maybe we should make YOU president, since you have a response for everything.....

[7 Wishes]

So do a lot of people on this board. But, since my opinions don't reflect those of the majority of MR posters here, you single me out. Oh, well. I'm hardly shocked.

[edcha]

.....
I'm 40 in January, and have only voted ONCE in my life.....Don't think I'll ever vote again after the last TWO shams.....

That's interesting, StoM. Just curious...in which election did you use your sole vote?

[edcha]

Obama is a fake. I don't like his pauses, stuttering, like he's getting something sent in from a ear phone. I used to think he was the future, but I don't anymore. It takes more to run this country than a good (at times) speaking voice.

If I may ask...
what other important things about Obama you don't like? Is there anything you like about him?

..how about things you like and don't like about MaCain?...if there's any.

[edcha]

Summary of MR votes, so far....

no. of votes Percent

MaCain 21 (58%)
Obama 15 (41%)

Total 36 (100%)

Again, thanks a bunch to those who participated already...and to those still planning to participate!

[edcha]

Obama is a fake. I don't like his pauses, stuttering, like he's getting something sent in from a ear phone. I used to think he was the future, but I don't anymore. It takes more to run this country than a good (at times) speaking voice.

Oh, c'mon, you expect us to believe that? You never liked him to begin with.

Voyager, can I ask you a couple of questions?

Do you like/dislike Obama? Why?
Do you like/dislike McCain? Why?

thanks!

[edcha]

Skylorde gave me permission to re-post his piece below---which he originally posted on mikemarrs' thread: "OT-Voting,What Can We Expect Under Obama or Mccain?"

Skylorde said the information was compiled from http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008 and other sources. My sole objective in re-posting this is---for the benefit of those who have not read it on the other thread---hoping to get more feedback in the process...nothing more, nothing less. As it should be---I don't intend to give my personal opinion in this thread of mine. I'm just trying to compile as many opinions and information on both sides as possible.

Here it is:

"....
Quote:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN:
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples).McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA:
28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain in taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and
would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home
will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part
from their retirement income.

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN: 15% (no change)

OBAMA: 39.6%

How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds,
life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends,
you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes
President. Some experts predict that Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market,yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

INCOMETAX (find your bracket)

MCCAIN (no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reverse all tax cuts)

Singlemaking 30K - tax $8,400
Singlemaking 50K - tax $14,000
Singlemaking 75K - tax $23,250
Marriedmaking 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama, your taxes will more than double!

How does this affect you? No explanation needed.
This is pretty straight forward.

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN 0%(No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses,farms,
ranches,and homes that have been in their families for generations because
they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to
loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.

New gasoline taxes

New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas,water, electricity)

New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....

New taxes to pay for socialized medicine ...."

----Many thanks to Skylorde!

[Tito]

This is very important serious stuff for me!

This is my very first time to vote for U.S. President! And I'm really excited about it! ... but I have yet to make up my mind.

Through this poll, I just would like to have a feel of what MR guys and gals think...at least those that would care to share me their personal thoughts.
Please vote, and kindly give reason for your choice---in 100 words or less, if possible.

Any non-racial, non-hateful, non-stupid idea/information is most welcome!

I realize that some people may think that my one vote will not make any difference....but who knows? This thread may also help other new voters, independents, and/or those who could not simply make up their minds!

Note: Please feel free to use PM if you are not comfortable sharing your thoughts on this thread. If you decide not to participate....that's OK, too. Your decision is respected!

They're all crooks! Don't bother voting, it ain't worth it. The only people who, on occasion, are worth voting for don't win. The sheep and media will tell you, you're throwing your vote away. You throw your vote away voting for the crooks.

[Don]

Are you bumping your own thread again? I can't read all that!

[edcha]

... They're all crooks! Don't bother voting, it ain't worth it. The only people who, on occasion, are worth voting for don't win. The sheep and media will tell you, you're throwing your vote away. You throw your vote away voting for the crooks.

[edcha]

Are you bumping your own thread again? I can't read all that! .....

Yes, bud! I knew somehow you missed it! I thought you said you read everything!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Skylorde gave me permission to re-post his piece below---which he originally posted on mikemarrs' thread: "OT-Voting,What Can We Expect Under Obama or Mccain?"

Skylorde said the information was compiled from http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008 and other sources. My sole objective in re-posting this is---for the benefit of those who have not read it on the other thread---hoping to get more feedback in the process...nothing more, nothing less. As it should be---I don't intend to give my personal opinion in this thread of mine. I'm just trying to compile as many opinions and information on both sides as possible.

Here it is:

"....
Quote:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN:
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples).McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA:
28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain in taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and
would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home
will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part
from their retirement income.

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN: 15% (no change)

OBAMA: 39.6%

How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds,
life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends,
you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes
President. Some experts predict that Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market,yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

INCOMETAX (find your bracket)

MCCAIN (no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reverse all tax cuts)

Singlemaking 30K - tax $8,400
Singlemaking 50K - tax $14,000
Singlemaking 75K - tax $23,250
Marriedmaking 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama, your taxes will more than double!

How does this affect you? No explanation needed.
This is pretty straight forward.

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN 0%(No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses,farms,
ranches,and homes that have been in their families for generations because
they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to
loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.

New gasoline taxes

New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas,water, electricity)

New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....

New taxes to pay for socialized medicine ...."

----Many thanks to Skylorde!

Already debunked.
Get the fuck outta here...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

[Tito]

Already debunked.
Get the fuck outta here...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

Where the f-ck have you been?

[Don]

Fine, I'll bump it again. Everyone's getting off work now anyway in the middle of the country so the board usually slows a bit at this time of day for us Leftcoasters.

Uh oh, TNC is on the scene, you're about to get educated Edcha..

[Tito]

Fine, I'll bump it again. Everyone's getting off work now anyway in the middle of the country so the board usually slows a bit at this time of day for us Leftcoasters.

Uh oh, TNC is on the scene, you're about to get educated Edcha..

Don't listen to The Noble Cause. He doesn't know sh-t.

Follow Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. You follow those two and you'll be alright.

[edcha]

...
Already debunked.
Get the fuck outta here...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

You're too late, TNC! You should have it debunked in the earlier original post!
...Or am I the only one you can handle with ease?
...and last time I checked, this is my thread!

P-E-A-C-E!

[edcha]

Fine, I'll bump it again. Everyone's getting off work now anyway in the middle of the country so the board usually slows a bit at this time of day for us Leftcoasters.

Uh oh, TNC is on the scene, you're about to get educated Edcha..

Absolutely no worries, G-bot! I have dealt with before!
...and my tiny brain has no more room for any new education, anyway!