Steve Perry Is Truly Finally Fading....

[Wildfire]

Are you high or on drugs????????????

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry. What I mean by that is, it finally looks like Journey has a "lead singer" again and not some hired hand. Even Steve A never looked or sounded as a good a fit with the band compared to Arnel in my opinion.

I was looking at some JSS videos with Journey, and (as good as he is) he just for some weird reason just doesn't "look" like someone who would be fronting Journey. I don't know if the physical look has something to do with it? Both SteveP and SteveA and Arnel are not the most masculine guys in the world, kind of a softer look about them, perhaps you need that high tenor voice with a softer look to make it click "hey...that's the Journey lead singer look". ? ? ?

I'm still blown away by how far Arnel has come in only a short period of time. I'm starting to wonder if Neal planned this a long time before it was announced. Secretly having Arnel work on the songs, etc, etc.

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey. And let's face it, at near 60 years old, he can't compete with Arnel. I feel sorry for him, because if he did have plans for a come back, they were probably shattered when he heard Arnel perform with Journey.

[Rhiannon]

"...I firmly believe that each artist should be appreciated in his/her own way, and in his/her own time! We can always appreciate an artist, as well as his/her work---without putting down another one! That is just fair---and balanced!"

That is a good post, edcha. Well put.

[Babyblue]

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey.

This knowledge comes from Sunday dinner's at Perry's house? Not sure why people on this forums make personal assessments about people they don't actually know personally.


I agree that Arnel has many reasons to be proud. That said, why spoil the point with such silly statements like the above. You don't know Perry any more than he knows you.

I am happy he is with them good for him.But untill you walk in Mr P's shoes you have no right to talk for him.He is his own man & will talk if and when he wants.Dracisback if you are friends with Mr P you are very lucky. In my book he will always be a super guy & much loved by his fans.

[Tomulator]

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry. What I mean by that is, it finally looks like Journey has a "lead singer" again and not some hired hand. Even Steve A never looked or sounded as a good a fit with the band compared to Arnel in my opinion.

I was looking at some JSS videos with Journey, and (as good as he is) he just for some weird reason just doesn't "look" like someone who would be fronting Journey. I don't know if the physical look has something to do with it? Both SteveP and SteveA and Arnel are not the most masculine guys in the world, kind of a softer look about them, perhaps you need that high tenor voice with a softer look to make it click "hey...that's the Journey lead singer look". ? ? ?

I'm still blown away by how far Arnel has come in only a short period of time. I'm starting to wonder if Neal planned this a long time before it was announced. Secretly having Arnel work on the songs, etc, etc.

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey. And let's face it, at near 60 years old, he can't compete with Arnel. I feel sorry for him, because if he did have plans for a come back, they were probably shattered when he heard Arnel perform with Journey.

Sorry dude...This is a fucking MORONIC post! You sound like the brainless Kool-Aid drinkers on Jackass Talk with this whole "Maybe Jeff didn't have the right look for Journey" bullshit! I actually got into a fight with some moron on that site who said Jeff was "too tall" to sing for Journey. I realize they're a band of midgets, but give me a break with this shit! It all comes down to singing. I can assure you that those of us heterosexual men aren't showing up at concerts, and thinking "Gee, if only he had some more Aqua-Net in his hair, he would fit in a bit better with Journey". Geez...where do people come up with this stupid shit Jeff isn't in Journey, because he wasn't the high-tenor they were looking for. I guarantee you that if Jeff could come anywhere near emulating Perry's signature sound, Schon wouldn't have cared if the dude rolled out onto the stage wearing a Depends adult diaper!

The final point I'll make is one Matthew made in another thread by another genius who claimed "It's like Perry never existed"...Arnel, Augeri, Jeff, and a singer to be named later are all singing Perry's songs, Einstein! Until that stops (which isn't likely, unless Schon's youtube account gets canceled and he's then forced to retire), this band will never be out of the shadow of Perry. It's simply ASTONISHING to me that people say something like this, after leaving a concert with two new songs and the rest all Perry music! Not to mention, their "new" cd had all re-recorded Perry classics (in the event you didn't get that memo), and finally a DVD...of...you guessed it (see that...you're catching on)...99% Perry music! One final thing...Don't kid yourself. Arnel is ABSOLUTELY a "hired hand". The guy is immensely talented, but he is still in the band for one reason, and one reason only...his ability to bring Schon & Co closer to their "legacy sound" (Read...PERRY)!



John from Boston

AMEN.

Don't ever "embarrass" Arnel or anyone else by comparing them to SMFP.

They don't stack up.

Period.

[Tomulator]

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Try..."albeit".

Sorry...just couldn't let that one fly.

[Tomulator]

Yah...my original post can be twisted into alot of ways...what I'm trying to say is, Arnel is good enough to allow Journey to succeed in a way that doesn't make you go "not bad..but I wish it was Perry up there singing." I'm a llloong time Perry fan, but fkin eh, when I see Arnel perform I'm not sitting there going..."Bring back Steve!" I'm totally lost in the moment believing Journey as a whole....again! Even though I love SteveA (Remember Me is an all time favorite) and respect JSS (Eyes Of Love is fkin awesome!) , I always kept saying in the back of my head "it's not Steve Perry!!". With Arnel, I just don't have that whole subconsious vibe going on. And it appears alot of peeps are the same way. Journey seems complete for the first time in a long time.....again.

Not me.

All I see is a "sound-alike" and an overall "cheapening" of a legendary band's legacy.

[edcha]

"...I firmly believe that each artist should be appreciated in his/her own way, and in his/her own time! We can always appreciate an artist, as well as his/her work---without putting down another one! That is just fair---and balanced!"

That is a good post, edcha. Well put.

Thanks, sweet Rhi!

[Babyblue]

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

THANK YOU! That is so true untill you have seen Mr P leading the band.You have no idea what it was like.I have said it before and i will say it again.I saw them 3 fab times. I saw the master do his thing. And there is Arnel i have not nor will i ever see them again.I want to remember the way it was with SP only. I am not saying anything about him as i have not gone to there show.

[Don]

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Try..."albeit".

Sorry...just couldn't let that one fly.

I was looking at it, thinking, that can't be right, but I didn't want to interrupt my rant, and go check.

[edcha]

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Try..."albeit".

Sorry...just couldn't let that one fly.

It sounds close enough, Mr. T! I thought that's what's important here on MR!

[Tomulator]

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Try..."albeit".

Sorry...just couldn't let that one fly.

I was looking at it, thinking, that can't be right, but I didn't want to interrupt my rant, and go check.

I try not to point out "typos" (esp. since I make them too), but that one was funny.

Thx for being a good sport about my little "nitpicking".

[JohnH]

I fail to see why the comparison still has to be made. This is merely digging up old wounds among some fans and quite honestly, I don't agree.

Arnel is a wonderful soul and a truly gifted performer and singer and more power to him for living his dream with one of America's most iconic melodic rock acts.

Perry is out of the picture due to his own decisions and that's fine by me as long as he is happy. It is disappointing for me personally that I don't get to hear him sing anymore - with J or solo...but that's his call.

NO ONE singer will cause me to forget the man's legacy or history in this band and I don't think Arnel would like anyone to make such a statement. He has already shown himself to be humble and accepting of his role and I for one hope that continues and he stays heathy and happy.

Journey and Deep Purple will always be Steve Perry/Ritchie Blackmore tribute bands and there is no escaping that fact. Perry is there, even when you are listening to the new stuff. Fading away? Not even close.

John

[finalfight]

Journey and Deep Purple will always be Steve Perry/Ritchie Blackmore tribute bands and there is no escaping that fact. Perry is there, even when you are listening to the new stuff. Fading away? Not even close.

John

That's way off base.

[CatEyes]

I want MG cookies, give me..

Thin Mints in the freezer.....I'll thaw them out!!!

No need to thaw them, I eat Cadbury the same way.

We may be soul mates

[Marabelle]

Well the absolute truth is that Mr. Perry is not singing and of course new fans will only see and remember Arnel up front leading the band. I think that is fine. For those of us who only remember being there with Mr. Perry and holding him dear to our hearts then that is fine as well. There is no comparison between the two other than they happen to sing some of the same songs! I enjoy Arnel, I think he is very talented and what a chance he is getting to be center stage with some talented musicians. Wow! Steve is not fading in the memories of all of the fans; he's still somewhere in our thoughts and in our hearts with lingering enchanted cherished memories of spectacular nights together! No denial of that! Although he is not on stage singing he is still close by never too far away always a treasure we will forever hold dear and keep alive in our thoughts.

[StoneCold]

As long as Journey's being played on the radio, Perry will be remembered. Anybody think they'll be using the AP version of DSB instead of the original? Ain't gonna happen.

[Don]

AP just missed out on the DSB revitalization movement, There was that string that kept it popping up in the media.
Monster
Family Guy
Laguna Beach
Chisoxs
Soprano's

Perry was almost being recognised as the sole reason for the success of the song with Journey secondary in many of the interviews.

[Rhiannon]

Monster
Family Guy
Laguna Beach
Chisoxs
Soprano's

Don't forget BASEketball. Dumb movie... but the "Oh Sherrie" and "Journey" psyche-outs were funny.

[artist4perry]

"...I firmly believe that each artist should be appreciated in his/her own way, and in his/her own time! We can always appreciate an artist, as well as his/her work---without putting down another one! That is just fair---and balanced!"

That is a good post, edcha. Well put.

Thanks, sweet Rhi!

I am with you two. I am glad you like Arnel. But what urges you to disrespect the past of the band? Man, I don't get that one bit! The man has far from faded from our memories, beleive me. When he puts out an album I will buy it. I have nothing against Arnel, but then again, I respect all the singers past and present. If you try to build one man up by tearing anouther one down, you loose credibility.

[Luvsaugeri]

"...I firmly believe that each artist should be appreciated in his/her own way, and in his/her own time! We can always appreciate an artist, as well as his/her work---without putting down another one! That is just fair---and balanced!"

That is a good post, edcha. Well put.

Thanks, sweet Rhi!

I am with you two. I am glad you like Arnel. But what urges you to disrespect the past of the band? Man, I don't get that one bit! The man has far from faded from our memories, beleive me. When he puts out an album I will buy it. I have nothing against Arnel, but then again, I respect all the singers past and present. If you try to build one man up by tearing anouther one down, you loose credibility.

I agree as well. And it's been going on since SA came on board. It went on between SP and SA. SA and JSS. JSS and SP. I have never understood the need to insult someone else to prop up your favorite. Everyone knows SA is my favorite. But I have never insulted JSS or SP in an attempt to defend SA. Everyone has their own preferences and it doesn't make anyone opinion right or wrong.

[annie89509]

I guess things must be slow around here starting a thread like this to stir things up.

I agree with a few posters that we're giving way too much credit to Arnel (as good as he is - only because this is just his 1st album and 1st tour).

Remember, in the not too distant past (prior to tapegate), SA had a huge contingent of fans that accepted him as the lead singer of Journey. No one, other than perryloons, were missing SP, either. People who were around Back Talk back then know what I'm talking about.

Let's face it, AP came in with some advantages that SA didn't have (a built-in fanbase/foreign market, Wal-Mart's reach, motivated management, AND maybe a better singing voice).

To be honest, I always thought SA's singing voice was thin and nasally, though he did sing and co-created some good Journey tunes to the ears. Never heard any of his Tyketto or TS songs, people say he sounded totally unlike how he sang in Journey.

To SA's credit, he hung around for 2-1/2 albums and 8 years, let's not crown Arnel as J's 2nd ( ) greatest frontman just yet.

[annie89509]

"...I firmly believe that each artist should be appreciated in his/her own way, and in his/her own time! We can always appreciate an artist, as well as his/her work---without putting down another one! That is just fair---and balanced!"

That is a good post, edcha. Well put.

Thanks, sweet Rhi!

I am with you two. I am glad you like Arnel. But what urges you to disrespect the past of the band? Man, I don't get that one bit! The man has far from faded from our memories, beleive me. When he puts out an album I will buy it. I have nothing against Arnel, but then again, I respect all the singers past and present. If you try to build one man up by tearing anouther one down, you loose credibility.

I agree as well. And it's been going on since SA came on board. It went on between SP and SA. SA and JSS. JSS and SP. I have never understood the need to insult someone else to prop up your favorite. Everyone knows SA is my favorite. But I have never insulted JSS or SP in an attempt to defend SA. Everyone has their own preferences and it doesn't make anyone opinion right or wrong.

To be fair, I think comparisons are inevitable. It is all about fan discussion and debate. Boy, there were some battles between SA and SP loyalists. Can't say it's always the same side starting fights, but sometimes just the mention of SP's name can illicit icy retorts from BT'ers about "being stuck in the past; move on" "if you must mention Steve Perry, you must also give Steve Augeri due credit in the same post." BT was J's official forum. Perryloons were not welcome there unless you were also a SA fan. That was the unstated rule of the game.

Needtheless to say, I never registered as a member, only lurked and learned all this by observation. Now, at the new J site forum, people have to register even to lurk. I imagine it's the same kind of environment, only now you have to worship at Arnel's altar to survive there.

[texafana]

This thread isn't about Steve Perry's legacy fading, it's about "Journey needing / wanting Steve Perry" in 2008 and beyond. I think Arnel will slowly cause all those "Bring back Steve P" rants to fade out.

Could quite honestly be the most ridiculous post ever! Glad you have the opinion, just don't expect many, if any to agree with you. Or for that matter, think you have a clue as to how people perceive SP or J.

Having said that, I'm looking forward to seeing Arnel with the band in a couple of weeks.

Yah...it's ridiculous..... All those concert goers, peeps buying the new CD, I doubt hardly anyone is going "bring back Steve" anymore. Journey has someone who doesn't have to worry about the comparisons, or not sounding good enough, looking good enough, etc, etc. Steve Perry's legacy fading? Hell No...but the desire (or need) to bring back SteveP with Journey? That might be finally fading.

"Having said that, I'm looking forward to seeing Arnel with the band in a couple of weeks.." - I'd be curious if you end up thinking to yourself "bring back Steve P" while enjoying the show.

This is EXACTLY what Forienger did with Kelly Hansen. They found a lead singer who brings the classic sound back to the band in a way that allows the band to move forward. Both Arnel and Kelly sound enough like their predecessors to do the classic material justice but each of them brings enough original talent to hold their own against the legacy singers, and that's why it works.

[EightyRock]

[quote="Enigma869"]
"The final point I'll make is one Matthew made in another thread by another genius who claimed "It's like Perry never existed"...Arnel, Augeri, Jeff, and a singer to be named later are all singing Perry's songs, Einstein! Until that stops (which isn't likely, unless Schon's youtube account gets canceled and he's then forced to retire), this band will never be out of the shadow of Perry. It's simply ASTONISHING to me that people say something like this, after leaving a concert with two new songs and the rest all Perry music! Not to mention, their "new" cd had all re-recorded Perry classics (in the event you didn't get that memo), and finally a DVD...of...you guessed it (see that...you're catching on)...99% Perry music! One final thing...Don't kid yourself. Arnel is ABSOLUTELY a "hired hand". The guy is immensely talented, but he is still in the band for one reason, and one reason only...his ability to bring Schon & Co closer to their "legacy sound" (Read...PERRY)!"

Between Andrew's post and this one, I'd say that almost sums it up.
Any EINSTEIN that thinks Arnel is taking Perry's place needs to spend some time boning up on their Journey history before making shit up.

Perry wrote or co-wrote all the hits, except one, including developing every vocal part that all Journey's singers have copied to date. He didn't just write lyrics, he wrote the melodies that weave through the songs, GENIUS.

He also took Cain & Schon by the balls and showed them how to rocket ride to fame, fortune and the legacy they have tried relentlessly to trash in the past few years. Perry didn't just jump around on stage singing somebody else's songs. He had a huge hand in CREATING the Journey brand and catalog. That alone, without even mentioning his vocal talent, puts him MILES ahead of any Journey singer since his departure.

There is a real disservice done to Arnel when threads like this are started. He's a good singer and I wish him the best.....but Steve Perry he ain't. Get a grip, dude.

[bluejeangirl76]

This thread isn't about Steve Perry's legacy fading

Then I think the confusion is over the thread being TITLED "Steve Perry is Truly Finally Fading".

Finally? As if people are waiting and hoping for it to happen? As if he's finally going away because another singer may somehow be overshadowing him? (I'm laughing so hard I can barely type that ) That's how it came across, and that's why people kept replying things like "are you on drugs?"

[S2M]

This thread isn't about Steve Perry's legacy fading

Then I think the confusion is over the thread being TITLED "Steve Perry is Truly Finally Fading".

Finally? As if people are waiting and hoping for it to happen? As if he's finally going away because another singer may somehow be overshadowing him? (I'm laughing so hard I can barely type that ) That's how it came across, and that's why people kept replying things like "are you on drugs?"[/quote]

Why yes, I am....a nice heaping dose of Nyquil....

[artist4perry]

This thread isn't about Steve Perry's legacy fading

Then I think the confusion is over the thread being TITLED "Steve Perry is Truly Finally Fading".

Finally? As if people are waiting and hoping for it to happen? As if he's finally going away because another singer may somehow be overshadowing him? (I'm laughing so hard I can barely type that ) That's how it came across, and that's why people kept replying things like "are you on drugs?"

You didn't specify Steve coming back to Journey. You insinuated he can't sing at all which you have no proof. You stated Arnel was a better singer now, of which you have no proof, because Steve hasn't released anything to compare with. I could care less if he can't hit the ceiling with high notes. I said it once, I will say it again.....Perry's voice has Presence. I like Arnel, but don't cut Steve out for the count as far as singing. I don't forsee him rejoining Journey. Too much bad blood has happened.

[artist4perry]

Yah...my original post can be twisted into alot of ways...what I'm trying to say is, Arnel is good enough to allow Journey to succeed in a way that doesn't make you go "not bad..but I wish it was Perry up there singing."

Well that is reasonable enough to state that opinion, why not just say that out of the box?

Because I type before I think...

Some will always miss Perry. If Arnel quit and they could fix things amoung them, how many would give their right arm to be in that concert? It will probably never be fixed. I am not hoping for that miracle. But even if I like Arnel, Some part of me will always wish it were Steve in front. Steve is the voice that brought most fans to Journey. If you don't care for him that is fine. I always say like whomever you like. But if we give you that right, why can't you understand the feelings we have for the singers we care for?

[squirt1]

John Boston and Gunbot are 100% correct . The Perry era is the only true Journey era and Perry is still in the shadows and they can never run from his successes !

[tammy]

The other day on the radio I heard the DJ say something to the effect, "the new singer of Journey, Arnel Pineda sure sounds a lot like Steve Perry, they'll be playing here next month...but, for a lot of you only the original will do - so coming up next original Journey with SP". It's a fact...SP is radio and that's forever.