OT: Has McCain Thrown in the Towel?

[Enigma869]

I live in the South. Every last racist I have met has been of the traditional southern Republican conservative ilk.

I lived in the south for 13 months (just outside of Charlotte, NC), and can't begin to tell you how disgusting the racism is. I never even heard the term "nigger boy", until I moved to NC. I was honestly horrified by just how nonchalant everyone was about racism in that state, as if it was all okay and just an accepted practice. Some of those people should be ashamed to be Americans! The difference between the south and the northeast is ASTONISHING, when it comes to racism (and everything else, now that I think of it). I honestly didn't even know there were actually people like this in the country! They actually have retail stores devoted to the KKK and their clothing, just over the border in South Carolina (there was actually a story about it on the news). Between the bible being plastered all over the wall of the DMV and every fast foot restaurant, and all the hateful language, I am THRILLED to be as far away from that part of the country as possible!

John from Boston

[conversationpc]

I live in the South. Every last racist I have met has been of the traditional southern Republican conservative ilk.

I lived in the south for 13 months (just outside of Charlotte, NC), and can't begin to tell you how disgusting the racism is. I never even heard the term "nigger boy", until I moved to NC. I was honestly horrified by just how nonchalant everyone was about racism in that state, as if it was all okay and just an accepted practice. Some of those people should be ashamed to be Americans! The difference between the south and the northeast is ASTONISHING, when it comes to racism (and everything else, now that I think of it). I honestly didn't even know there were actually people like this in the country! They actually have retail stores devoted to the KKK and their clothing, just over the border in South Carolina (there was actually a story about it on the news). Between the bible being plastered all over the wall of the DMV and every fast foot restaurant, and all the hateful language, I am THRILLED to be as far away from that part of the country as possible!

John from Boston

What does the Bible have to do with any of this?

[Enigma869]

What does the Bible have to do with any of this?

Absolutely nothing. I was simply making the point that between the racists and Jesus freaks (I'm still not sure which group is worse), the place was fucking nauseating, and I couldn't escape fast enough!


John from Boston

[Rhiannon]

They actually have retail stores devoted to the KKK and their clothing, just over the border in South Carolina (there was actually a story about it on the news).

That is an exception and NOT the rule. There are racist assholes of all colors and breeds wherever you go. And the existance of such does not mean that everyone in the region condones it nor thinks similarly. Southerners are NOT guilty by association for the ignorant supremacist zealots that are still clinging to a century old cult that WE have done hard to stifle out completely.

[X factor]

I live in the South. Every last racist I have met has been of the traditional southern Republican conservative ilk.

I lived in the south for 13 months (just outside of Charlotte, NC), and can't begin to tell you how disgusting the racism is. I never even heard the term "nigger boy", until I moved to NC. I was honestly horrified by just how nonchalant everyone was about racism in that state, as if it was all okay and just an accepted practice. Some of those people should be ashamed to be Americans! The difference between the south and the northeast is ASTONISHING, when it comes to racism (and everything else, now that I think of it). I honestly didn't even know there were actually people like this in the country! They actually have retail stores devoted to the KKK and their clothing, just over the border in South Carolina (there was actually a story about it on the news). Between the bible being plastered all over the wall of the DMV and every fast foot restaurant, and all the hateful language, I am THRILLED to be as far away from that part of the country as possible!

John from Boston

Yeah, Johnny...cause we all KNOW that there's no racism in BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!

"They actually have retail stores devoted to the KKK and their clothing"

BTW- I totally call Bullshit on this statement! I want proof that such a place exists.

[conversationpc]

What does the Bible have to do with any of this?

Absolutely nothing. I was simply making the point that between the racists and Jesus freaks (I'm still not sure which group is worse), the place was fucking nauseating, and I couldn't escape fast enough!


John from Boston

What's a "Jesus freak" in your estimation? I've been a Christian now for 19 years.

[artist4perry]

What does the Bible have to do with any of this?

Absolutely nothing. I was simply making the point that between the racists and Jesus freaks (I'm still not sure which group is worse), the place was fucking nauseating, and I couldn't escape fast enough!


John from Boston

What's a "Jesus freak" in your estimation? I've been a Christian now for 19 years.

I've lived in many states in the U.S., North,West, and South. I have also been a military wife stationed in Germany. One thing is prevelent. Racism resides everywhere. Have you heard the term "Skin Head?" try California and Las Vegas. I seen racism in Indiana, Illinois, Missori, Oklahoma, and Michigan. Germany is really bad with the Neo Nazi groups. Now, there are racists of every walk of life, color, social and economic group. Hate is not confined to a region or map. Northerners wonder why we bristle when they come down with their high and mighty idealistic crap. They say stupid things like "Oh you people wear shoes?". Then they wonder why we get irritated. Not all Northern people are rude, but some are downright jerks.
Not all Southerners are bad, nor are they "Jesus Freaks". There is a difference between being a Christian, and loving your fellow man, as apposed to claiming to be a Christian and acting far from it. That my friend is a hypocrite. You can claim to be a christian but then if you turn around and do evil things and treat people badly you are proving you are not a christian. Just a hypocrite.

Being a racist or a hypocrite is an individual decision. It is not regional, nor is it confined to a certain group. It is ignorance on both parts. Also lableing an entire group as one thing is a bit predjudicial.

[Enigma869]

That is an exception and NOT the rule.

We'll agree to disagree on that point, Rhi. I did not find it to be the exception, AT ALL. In fact, I was stunned by how many, seemingly educated people held such shocking beliefs. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone in the south is a racist. I am saying that there is FAR more racism in the south than in any other part of this country that I've been to!

There are racist assholes of all colors and breeds wherever you go.

This we agree on

And the existance of such does not mean that everyone in the region condones it nor thinks similarly.

I also agree with this. I would certainly hope that not everyone condones it. I simply am pointing out my own personal observations, during the time I lived there. My wife and I lived in a fairly well to do neighborhood, while we resided in NC. We had a contractor doing some work on our home. One of the neighbors on our cul-de-sac apparently called our contract for an estimate (they needed a bathroom tiled) and the only question they asked our contractor was "Are they white" (meaning us). If that's not overt racism, I'm not sure what is! Again, I'm not blaming everyone in the south, but anyone who has been there certainly knows that racism is FAR more in your face, in that part of hte country!


John from Boston

[artist4perry]

Racism according to Merriam-Webster is defined as:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

I live in the South. Every last racist I have met has been of the traditional southern Republican conservative ilk.

You sound like you are predjudiced against Southerners. So all southerners are racist? I am one. I am not. I bet a few others on this board take great offense to your blanketing all people as such. Try to move around more, you will find it elsewhere as well. People don't live your whole life in one area if you can help it! You will find people are the same everywhere, just more of them! There is good and bad in the human race! It is an individual thing, just because you went to a town, or an area where more hatred is consentrated, does not make everyone of that state that way! Educate yourself.

[Enigma869]

Yeah, Johnny...cause we all KNOW that there's no racism in BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen fuckhead...I never said that racism isn't a problem EVERYWHERE, including in Boston. I simply pointed out that it was a FAR bigger problem in the south than I ever saw it being in New England!

"They actually have retail stores devoted to the KKK and their clothing"

BTW- I totally call Bullshit on this statement! I want proof that such a place exists.

You, my friend, are a fucking moron! I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're from the south

http://a.abcnews.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=4419959

Read it and weap, asshole! Contrary to what you think, I actually don't just make this shit up. By the way, this store has been in business since 1996! I can assure you that in this part of the country, a store like that wouldn't be in business for 12 minutes, let alone 12 years! I can tell you that as an American, I am beyond embarrassed that shit like this exists, ANYWHERE in this country! Once I saw this story on the local NC news, I realized that I was in a very fucked up part of the country, and that perhaps people in other parts of the country really didn't have the open mind that I was raised with. Let me know if you need any more "proof", Einstein!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

What's a "Jesus freak" in your estimation? I've been a Christian now for 19 years.

Whether I agree with most of your points or not, I respect you as an intelligent individual, so I will gladly respond to your question. The term "Jesus Freak" or "Bible Thumper" are simply people who evangelize to the world. Honestly, I find the practice to be obnoxious. I was raised in a part of the country where you didn't walk into government building and see religious references all over the wall. In my opinion, it should NEVER be that way. The problem with the Christian religion (and for the record, I was raised Protestant), is that they believe their religious beliefs are the only ones that exist and the only ones that matter. My Jewish wife shouldn't have to be bombarded with Jesus references while she's going to the DMV for plates or to "Chick-Fil-A" for a drink! Again, it's my opinion, and I feel very strongly about it. People are free to pray to whichever God they choose. They should just understand that religion is a VERY personal issue for people, and that not everyone sunscribes to their religious beliefs.


John from Boston

[artist4perry]

That is an exception and NOT the rule.

We'll agree to disagree on that point, Rhi. I did not find it to be the exception, AT ALL. In fact, I was stunned by how many, seemingly educated people held such shocking beliefs. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone in the south is a racist. I am saying that there is FAR more racism in the south than in any other part of this country that I've been to!

There are racist assholes of all colors and breeds wherever you go.

This we agree on

And the existance of such does not mean that everyone in the region condones it nor thinks similarly.

I also agree with this. I would certainly hope that not everyone condones it. I simply am pointing out my own personal observations, during the time I lived there. My wife and I lived in a fairly well to do neighborhood, while we resided in NC. We had a contractor doing some work on our home. One of the neighbors on our cul-de-sac apparently called our contract for an estimate (they needed a bathroom tiled) and the only question they asked our contractor was "Are they white" (meaning us). If that's not overt racism, I'm not sure what is! Again, I'm not blaming everyone in the south, but anyone who has been there certainly knows that racism is FAR more in your face, in that part of hte country!


John from Boston

Do you feel these dealerships only exist in the south? How about paraphanalia for "Skin Heads"? I am sorry you had a bad experiance in the area you lived. But did you live in the whole state? I dealt with the "Skin Heads" in the West and North. Don't be predjudicial yourself against Southern people. A part my friend does not make a whole.

[Rhiannon]

We'll agree to disagree on that point, Rhi. I did not find it to be the exception, AT ALL. In fact, I was stunned by how many, seemingly educated people held such shocking beliefs. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone in the south is a racist. I am saying that there is FAR more racism in the south than in any other part of this country that I've been to!

It is just a part of the fabric of the society down there... this point could be argued back and forth all day but the point is, cultures are different. And it's all in what you're used to. There are things all over that people from different places don't "understand" and try to label it the best they can. But sometimes if a place just isn't "home" you're never going to understand the way of life.

You're cool John... I like you. I just think you were so miserable being away from your "home" and way of life that you were hypersensitive to anything negative and are making a point to justify your misery in the area because of it. Now you're "home" and you're happy. Nothing wrong with that. Just ease up with trying to make my "home" seem like the scum of the earth. We like Jesus and sweet tea, you like Tom Brady and lobster bisque. Let's just all get along.

[artist4perry]

What's a "Jesus freak" in your estimation? I've been a Christian now for 19 years.

Whether I agree with most of your points or not, I respect you as an intelligent individual, so I will gladly respond to your question. The term "Jesus Freak" or "Bible Thumper" are simply people who evangelize to the world. Honestly, I find the practice to be obnoxious. I was raised in a part of the country where you didn't walk into government building and see religious references all over the wall. In my opinion, it should NEVER be that way. The problem with the Christian religion (and for the record, I was raised Protestant), is that they believe their religious beliefs are the only ones that exist and the only ones that matter. My Jewish wife shouldn't have to be bombarded with Jesus references while she's going to the DMV for plates or to "Chick-Fil-A" for a drink! Again, it's my opinion, and I feel very strongly about it. People are free to pray to whichever God they choose. They should just understand that religion is a VERY personal issue for people, and that not everyone sunscribes to their religious beliefs.
John from Boston

Does your wife share her beleif with anyone? I bet she does, I think if a person is open to want to know about it they should have the right to talk about it. I would not bombard people with my religion. I would not be offended by Jewish, or any other religious symbols. Re-read the first ammendment it allows the freedom of expression of religion. It amazes me how many people want to remove our rights in this area. Usually because of a lack of tollerance of their own. Seperation of Church and State was a statement made by Thomas Jefferson, a quite predjudicial man himself, in a personal letter. It is not part of the Constitution.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" (the Establishment Clause) or that prohibit the free exercise of religion (the Free Exercise Clause), laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The Establishment Cause was put in so there so that no one can establish a country wide religion. Like the Church of England.

[Saint John]

Hey, John, come to Chicago and take a stroll through any of our lovely projects and get back to me on the existence of "racism." I would say that it's far more prominent in big cities, but it has a way of disguising itself because neighborhoods are basically segregated and people stay within the known "boundaries." I've been to the South quite a few times and one of the things that was odd to hear was black people referred to as "niggers." And not in a derogatory way. In some places that's the word used for "blacks." However, I think you're generalizing dialect and a few "good old boys" here and there for lawlessness and nightly lynchings. It's simply not the case. Besides, "racism" should be the last thing on the minds of black people as 94% of all black people are killed by other black people. Still waiting for Sharpton and Jackson to point that out. But they won't because that would be in direct conflict with their indirect assertion that white people are the root of all evil.

[Enigma869]

It is just a part of the fabric of the society down there

Perhaps, and this is what I heard from a lot of the natives. I guess it was still no less shocking to me.

But sometimes if a place just isn't "home" you're never going to understand the way of life.

I definitely agree with this. I can tell you that I was never getting used to the endless NASCAR talk and entire aisles of biscuits at the local grocery store

You're cool John... I like you.

Thanks Rhi. We've exchanged PM's in the past, so I think you know that the feeling is mutual

I just think you were so miserable being away from your "home" and way of life that you were hypersensitive to anything negative and are making a point to justify your misery in the area because of it.

Actually, this isn't remotely true. While I certainly acquiesce to you on the point that "there is no place like home", it really had NOTHING to do with the things I heard around me. Truth be told, I rather enjoyed the winter months. It was the first time in my life that I wasn't freezing my nuts off for 8 long months

Now you're "home" and you're happy.

Thrilled and elated would probably be more apropos

Just ease up with trying to make my "home" seem like the scum of the earth.

As I said Rhi...I truly don't believe that everyone from the south was a racist. I'd like to think I'm a bit more intelligent than to castigate every single person in one geographic area as all being the same. Not everyone I met in the south was the same, just like not everyone in the northeast is the same. I simply said (and stand by what I said) that I simply encountered FAR more overy racism in the south, than any place I've ever been. When I would ask some of the natives (the ones who I became friends with) about it...their response was usually something to the effect of "yeah...it's sort of always been like that around here", and there wasn't a single one of them who ever told me I was delusional. In fact, some told me that it was far worse than what I had seen. My across the street neighbor (who happened to be African-American) said to me "Just imagine if you weren't a white guy, how bad it would be"! Again, I just found it all to be rather sad.

We like Jesus and sweet tea, you like Tom Brady and lobster bisque. Let's just all get along.

Brilliant comeback, Rhi! There is that lightning sharp wit, on display again!


John from Boston

p.s. I hate ALL seafood!

[Rhiannon]

We like Jesus and sweet tea, you like Tom Brady and lobster bisque. Let's just all get along.

Brilliant comeback, Rhi! There is that lightning sharp wit, on display again!


John from Boston

p.s. I hate ALL seafood!

And I think on that we have common ground. Pleasure discussing North vs. South with you as usual, sir.

[Voyager]

White liberals feel guilty for some reason and want to give to Minorities. White Republicans feel everyone is equal and should work for what they want...and that 150 was too fuckin' long ago! Democrats have been an awful party for Minorities, but because the GOP doesn't sound caring, they stick with the libs

Human beings were not all created equal. Some are born with extraordinary talents, skill, and intelligence; others were born with learning disabilities, autism, retardation, and other psychological liabilities. Some were born into good supportive families, while others were raised by dysfunctional, absent, or criminal parents. While these differences do not have to stop someone from working to get ahead, they do in fact give them many fewer opportunities to make it in life.

What's wrong with the rich and wealthy giving an extra share for those in their community who were not as fortunate? If you have one guy who was born into wealth, intelligence, good family, etc., and another who was born into the crime, drugs, learning problems, autism, etc. - shouldn't the unlucky guy be given a little extra help to overcome his liabilities? What the hell is wrong with that?

My cousin who is a right-winger called me up a few weeks ago to tell me that my older daughter's Aspergers Syndrome was nothing but a big lie. He said that it's just a behavioral problem. That is the in-thing right now in the Republican party... to deny that ADHD, Autism, Bipolar Disorder, and other documented psychological disorders even exist, and to suggest that the kids who have these disorders are nothing but spoiled brats. That is par for the course with the right wing. If any of these self-proclaimed psychoanalysts were to spend a few days with my daugther, they would eat their fucking words.

People are born with problems, and it's not their fault. Why shame them for it? Sure, you don't want to pamper and coddle people into living as perpetual victims... but if they have problems, why not help them so they can actually become a functional and contributing member of society? Maybe some of them never will, but at least we tried. Some of them will take the rope that is thrown to them and make something of themselves, because someone helped them in their area of weakness.

We all have strengths and weaknesses. That's why people do better on teams. Your weaknesses are not as obvious when you have someone on your team who is not weak in the same areas that you are. That's when you are able to use your strengths to their fullest and enjoy them instead of beating yourself up about your weaknesses. Think of the less fortunate person as someone who needs a functional team to be a part of. Just because they weren't born into something good doesn't mean they can't overcome it and become a productive person.

The Republicans bitch all day about people aborting babies... but when a mother who is addicted to crack doesn't abort her baby, the Republicans want to deny her public assistance that could help her turn her life around and actually give the kid a fighting chance to do better than his mother did. If that is not an oxymoron, I don't know what is. Just because someone might not appreciate the help they are given doesn't mean that others won't either. Some will, and some won't.

[whirlwind]

Hey, John, come to Chicago and take a stroll through any of our lovely projects and get back to me on the existence of "racism." I would say that it's far more prominent in big cities, but it has a way of disguising itself because neighborhoods are basically segregated and people stay within the known "boundaries." I've been to the South quite a few times and one of the things that was odd to hear was black people referred to as "niggers." And not in a derrogatory way. In some places that's the word used for "blacks." However, I think you're generalizing dialect and a few "good old boys" here and there for lawlessness and nightly lynchings. It's simply not the case. Besides, "racism" should be the last thing on the minds of black people as 94% of all black people are killed by other black people. Still waiting for Sharpton and Jackson to point that out. But they won't because that would be in direct conflict with their indirect assertion that white people are the root of all evil.

Worth quoting.

[artist4perry]

We'll agree to disagree on that point, Rhi. I did not find it to be the exception, AT ALL. In fact, I was stunned by how many, seemingly educated people held such shocking beliefs. I'm certainly not suggesting that everyone in the south is a racist. I am saying that there is FAR more racism in the south than in any other part of this country that I've been to!

It is just a part of the fabric of the society down there... this point could be argued back and forth all day but the point is, cultures are different. And it's all in what you're used to. There are things all over that people from different places don't "understand" and try to label it the best they can. But sometimes if a place just isn't "home" you're never going to understand the way of life.

You're cool John... I like you. I just think you were so miserable being away from your "home" and way of life that you were hypersensitive to anything negative and are making a point to justify your misery in the area because of it. Now you're "home" and you're happy. Nothing wrong with that. Just ease up with trying to make my "home" seem like the scum of the earth. We like Jesus and sweet tea, you like Tom Brady and lobster bisque. Let's just all get along.

Rhi, I think you hit the nail on the head! LOL. John, all we are trying to say, is have an open mind. I don't think all of any people anywhere act one way. You sound like you just had a bad experiance. I am sorry for that. But I also see in the south where if an old lady gets a flat tire, 6 or 7 cars stop to help her. I have also seen an area hit hard by tornados, and area cities and yes even churches, give till it hurt. Poor neighborhoods give above their means. I am sure that isn't just a southern thing. My husband is from California. He was amazed that when a funeral goes through, all the cars pull to the side of the road till they pass. It is a sign of respect to the families who have lost their loved ones. There are good and bad people everywhere! Try to see the good ones as well!

[donnaplease]

The Republicans bitch all day about people aborting babies... but when a mother who is addicted to crack doesn't abort her baby, the Republicans want to deny her public assitance that could help her turn her life around and actually give the kid a fighting chance to do better than his mother did. If that is not an oxymoron, I don't know what is.

If only she'd do that, instead of once again denying her child's needs in order to score one more high...

[7 Wishes]

Don't lecture me on open-mindedness. That is the problem.

I have lived in Europe, Asia...nine different countries in all. Never seen ANYTHING like the racism down here.

[conversationpc]

The term "Jesus Freak" or "Bible Thumper" are simply people who evangelize to the world. Honestly, I find the practice to be obnoxious.

Jesus commanded his disciples to evangelize the world and preach the gospel to everyone. If I as a Christian don't, in some way, do that then I am disobeying the most fundamental commandment of Christianity. That doesn't mean I have to literally preach a sermon to everyone I come in contact with. Sometimes, when given the chance, it is appropriate to share with someone the story of my life and how Christ has changed it and perhaps they will believe as I do. If not, it's not my choice nor job to force anything upon them. When I think of evangelism and sharing the gospel, I don't think of obnoxious people who do the kind of street preaching that annoys people to death. I don't think that works at all. Evangelism is a mixture of living a life pleasing to God, being an example of his grace, and sometimes, when given the opportunity, telling people about it in an appropriate way. I obviously don't successfully do any of these three things very well 100% of the time.

The problem with the Christian religion (and for the record, I was raised Protestant), is that they believe their religious beliefs are the only ones that exist and the only ones that matter.

Depends on which beliefs you're talking about but Jesus himself taught that he was the only way to God. If Christians didn't believe that, they may as well toss their Bible in the trash. That's the backbone of Christianity.

People are free to pray to whichever God they choose. They should just understand that religion is a VERY personal issue for people, and that not everyone sunscribes to their religious beliefs.

I agree. However, that doesn't mean that it's never appropriate to publicly share one's Christian faith in some manner as long as it's not done in a hypocritical way. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone of another faith does the same thing. They have that right. The Constitution doesn't give us the right not to be annoyed or offended.

[conversationpc]

Don't lecture me on open-mindedness. That is the problem.

I have lived in Europe, Asia...nine different countries in all. Never seen ANYTHING like the racism down here.

Like I said earlier, the most racist and homophobic comments I've seen on this forum have been mostly from liberals and, for the most part, people who live in the north.

[artist4perry]

The Republicans bitch all day about people aborting babies... but when a mother who is addicted to crack doesn't abort her baby, the Republicans want to deny her public assitance that could help her turn her life around and actually give the kid a fighting chance to do better than his mother did. If that is not an oxymoron, I don't know what is.

If only she'd do that, instead of once again denying her child's needs in order to score one more high...

Do you realize that over a million babies are aborted a year. A million? So all those were extreme cases? I have a problem with killing babies because it is a nusience to someones life. Use protection, and a brain, then maybe we can reduce the numbers. How much money a year does that cost us? We have conditioned people to think it is no big deal because we dehumanize a baby by calling it a fetus. It should be something sad when a mother feels the real need to do so. Not just like getting a shot, or something mundain. The numbers are not justified to real cases where it is needed. I don't want to outlaw it, just not pay for the frivilous abuse of the system.

[7 Wishes]

Like I said earlier, the most racist and homophobic comments I've seen on this forum have been mostly from liberals and, for the most part, people who live in the north.

OK, Dave. Give me some examples, verbatim. Direct quotes. Because the only ones I've seen are the Republicans here ripping into Obama.

[conversationpc]

Like I said earlier, the most racist and homophobic comments I've seen on this forum have been mostly from liberals and, for the most part, people who live in the north.

OK, Dave. Give me some examples, verbatim. Direct quotes. Because the only ones I've seen are the Republicans here ripping into Obama.

Have you never seen some of TNC's and Deano's comments on this very board? Their history is replete with those kinds of comments.

[donnaplease]

What's a "Jesus freak" in your estimation? I've been a Christian now for 19 years.

The term "Jesus Freak" or "Bible Thumper" are simply people who evangelize to the world. Honestly, I find the practice to be obnoxious.

John from Boston

So what do you consider missionaries, J? Are they in the wrong for the homes, churches, hospitals, and schools that they are building here and abroad, in the name of Jesus and Christianity? Although I have no statistics to back me, I would guess that these people are of the conservative, not liberal persuasion. I personally see them working to improve the lives of people who actually appreciate it, not giving something to folks (like the crackhead mentioned earlier) who will do nothing but squander it while holding their hand out and expecting more, as if they're entitled to it.

Honestly, I find the names "Jesus Freak" and "Bible Thumper" to be obnoxious, but I do agree with you that there are some people that take their work to an extreme. There is a huge difference in sharing your faith openly and trying to force others to share your beliefs. Most christians, IMO, are of the former rather than the latter.

Peace.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Don't lecture me on open-mindedness. That is the problem.

I have lived in Europe, Asia...nine different countries in all. Never seen ANYTHING like the racism down here.

Like I said earlier, the most racist and homophobic comments I've seen on this forum have been mostly from liberals and, for the most part, people who live in the north.

People like Deano, and if I may include myself in that august company, are really engaging in Borscht Belt/ribald humor.
We don't mean any of it.
For all you know we have sucked off 2000 cocks just between the two of us.

I will take up arms with my gay bros. and sisters any day - just draw the battlelines.

[7 Wishes]

TNC? In no way, shape or form is he a racist. Not even close.