OT: Has McCain Thrown in the Towel?

[X factor]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

[Onestepper]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

Biden has been nominated by the party. Clinton has not. The DNC would have to ask for a special national primary election to be held, and that would be very unlikely. They most likely would appoint someone in the VP slot, and have Biden move up. Obviously that appointment would most likely be HRC.

[X factor]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

Biden has been nominated by the party. Clinton has not. The DNC would have to ask for a special national primary election to be held, and that would be very unlikely. They most likely would appoint someone in the VP slot, and have Biden move up. Obviously that appointment would most likely be HRC.

Yeah, true, but knowing Hillary, I think she'd make her case for that primary, and try to get the nod.

[styxman]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

So the runner up gets the gig How protected is he, I mean this is going to be a scary few months for Obama, perhaps he should run the show from the UK in an undisclosed location as some sad fucker is going to take a pot shot, those that chew and spit tobacco are high on the list + anyone associated with the Clintons

[Onestepper]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

So the runner up gets the gig How protected is he, I mean this is going to be a scary few months for Obama, perhaps he should run the show from the UK in an undisclosed location as some sad fucker is going to take a pot shot, those that chew and spit tobacco are high on the list + anyone associated with the Clintons

You seem to have thought a lot about this for someone who just had a casual question. Have fun with the Secret Service.

[styxman]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

So the runner up gets the gig How protected is he, I mean this is going to be a scary few months for Obama, perhaps he should run the show from the UK in an undisclosed location as some sad fucker is going to take a pot shot, those that chew and spit tobacco are high on the list + anyone associated with the Clintons

You seem to have thought a lot about this for someone who just had a casual question. Have fun with the Secret Service.

No, I'm just shit bored and as 80% of the Journey board topics are political, just thought I'd add a little spice to this one...secret service for fucks sake these dudes are too busy planning what I think will happen to be bothered monitoring me

[Onestepper]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

So the runner up gets the gig How protected is he, I mean this is going to be a scary few months for Obama, perhaps he should run the show from the UK in an undisclosed location as some sad fucker is going to take a pot shot, those that chew and spit tobacco are high on the list + anyone associated with the Clintons

You seem to have thought a lot about this for someone who just had a casual question. Have fun with the Secret Service.

No, I'm just shit bored and as 80% of the Journey board topics are political, just thought I'd add a little spice to this one...secret service for fucks sake these dudes are too busy planning what I think will happen to be bothered monitoring me

The SS agent that is right on Palin's tails is hot. Looks like a shorter, younger version of Palin herself.

[Voyager]

I'm not guaranteeing Obama will win, but polls and evidence strongly suggests McCain is a huge underdog.

McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html

i dont think McCain is a huge underdog

There are a LOT of polls out there. You need to look at many of them to see the big picture. This grouping of polls from pollingreport.com is from before the DNC last week, but still gives Obama a fairly substantial margin:

[styxman]

Just out of interest, if Obama is assassinated prior to the elected date in November does his running mate automatically become the presidential candidate and is his running mate likely to choose Clinton as No2 if such a situation arose?

This very question came up with some friends the other night. I think in that situation you HAVE to go with Clinton. Biden never even made it out of the first month of primaries, and Clinton had 18 million votes. No brainer to me. God forbid something horrible like that happen. It would have horrific repurcussions for our nation.

So the runner up gets the gig How protected is he, I mean this is going to be a scary few months for Obama, perhaps he should run the show from the UK in an undisclosed location as some sad fucker is going to take a pot shot, those that chew and spit tobacco are high on the list + anyone associated with the Clintons

You seem to have thought a lot about this for someone who just had a casual question. Have fun with the Secret Service.

No, I'm just shit bored and as 80% of the Journey board topics are political, just thought I'd add a little spice to this one...secret service for fucks sake these dudes are too busy planning what I think will happen to be bothered monitoring me

The SS agent that is right on Palin's tails is hot. Looks like a shorter, younger version of Palin herself.

So Obama needs a double then

[styxman]

I'm not guaranteeing Obama will win, but polls and evidence strongly suggests McCain is a huge underdog.

McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html

i dont think McCain is a huge underdog

There are a LOT of polls out there. You need to look at many of them to see the big picture. This grouping of polls from pollingreport.com is from before the DNC last week, but still gives Obama a fairly substantial margin:

Just out of interest, do CNN always remain partial in these polls?

[Voyager]

Just out of interest, do CNN always remain partial in these polls?

Of course they do... the same way Fox News is biased in favor of McCain.

[7 Wishes]

CNN is about as impartial as they come. Sure, conservatives love to play those tired old chords, but there is no evidence whatsoever to back those claims.

[styxman]

Are there any Skeletons left in the cupboard that could seal the fate of a candidate, anything floating about and ready to surface?

[Onestepper]

CNN is about as impartial as they come. Sure, conservatives love to play those tired old chords, but there is no evidence whatsoever to back those claims.

You are serious right? Just watch Jack Cafferty on CNN for one segment. You'll have your evidence.

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, why is it you and the other Republicans on this board keep insisting upon the Democrats' initial support of the invasion of Iraq? IT WAS PREDICATED UPON LIE AFTER LIE, at the very least, and a massive conspiracy at worse. It is perfectly legitimate for a politician who voted one way - only to later discover the reasons they voted in support of a measure were all falsehoods - to change his or her mind upon learning that.

I am done arguing with you. All you spill is platitudes gleaned from the daily democratic talking points. You and TNC both. You have no substance to your arguments.

You try and rewrite history to suit your agenda and base it some obscure piece of liberal tripe that you pulled from some Michael Moore wanna be.

The Congress recieved the same intelligence and the President had. Period. End of Story.

Notice many of the quotes came BEFORE President Bush was even elected.

Clinton "knew" Iraq had WMD's...in the days PRIOR to the invasion...he went on TV and said HE KNEW. But you ignore that completely. Because he is a democrat.

I hope Obama gets elected...hell I may even go vote for him so you can see what "Jimmy Carter II +" is going to look like..

That little business you have will be belly up within 2 years and I will laugh at you for your own stupidity.

[RossValoryRocks]

You know if you were any more and idiot you wouldn't be able to type you'd need medication and a helmet. Many of the things you blame on the President are not his fault, some things are sure, but the most stupid comment you have made is that our country is messed up. Our country is in fine shape. No one here knows what trouble is, including me, but I have talked with my grandparents and my father all of who lived through the depression and WWII. You want "messed up" that period of time was.

Fact: More people OWN homes now than at any other time in history. You would have everyone believe that everyone lost their homes because of the subprime crisis (Which Bush had nothing to do with BTW)

Fact: The nation unemployment average is lower than the average of the last 40 years. You people talk like their are huge long unemployment lines.

Fact: The economy grew at 3.3% last quarter. So the economy isn't in the tank even if the liberals would have you believe so.

Fact: We have won the war in Iraq. Actually this is in despite of Bush, so you may have a point.

Fact: The liberals all blame President Bush for the "Wrong war at the wrong time" and yet when it was politically expedient many prominent Democrats jumped up and said things like this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Go fuck yourself and lick Valory's nuts!


John from Boston

Nice intelligent comments...thanks for proving my point.

[Voyager]

CNN is about as impartial as they come. Sure, conservatives love to play those tired old chords, but there is no evidence whatsoever to back those claims.

You are serious right? Just watch Jack Cafferty on CNN for one segment. You'll have your evidence.

Yeah, but Lou Dobbs leans against Obama. It's a pretty good mix.

[RossValoryRocks]

Yeah...and the first 2 years of the Clinton presidency were fucked up...he raised taxes hand in hand with the Democrat controlled congress and the economy gound to a halt. Then the republicans came in after the '94 elections and cut taxes and the economy went nuts.

You are the most full of shit person I have ever known, EVER!

Cut-and-paste jobs from the American Spectator and the Rhinoceros Times are hardly impartial and are also factually inaccurate.

Clinton cut spending in all the right places, increased taxes on the highest income earners, and put more money in the pockets of the middle and lower class. The conservatives fought him every step of the way - attempting to insist upon the proven failures of Reaganomics and the trickle-down approach.

During the eight years of the Clinton Administration, about 23 million jobs were created, which comes out to about 240,000 jobs per month. By comparison, only a net of 5.6 million jobs have been created during the Bush years, which comes out to about 71,000 per month. Even taking away the job losses caused by a recession and the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Bush years come up short: In the 47 consecutive months of job growth since the fall of 2003, the per-month average has been about 177,000 jobs.

Any questions about Clinton's brilliant economic plan that the Republicans fought (stupidly) tooth-and-nail? Just ask Alan Greenspan - himself a libertarian Republican. Paraphrasing his recent book:

The first, and less surprising, blow came in his criticism of the Bush-era spending excesses. Many conservative Republicans have long offered that critique. It helps that the former Fed chairman--who has come to represent the gold standard in sound economic judgment--validates the Democratic critique of Republican rule as fiscally irresponsible. But it isn't a major new departure.

More telling was Greenspan's praise of Bill Clinton's economic record. In the polarized politics we've become accustomed to, the most powerful praise is that which comes from the other side of the political fence. You can already hear the 30-second campaign commercials that begin, "As Alan Greenspan said..."

We aren't talking about Bush are we??? I am talking about Obama you ass.

I cannot stand how much Bush has exploded the government and the debt.

It's only going to get worse with Obama.

And Clinton's first 2 years were a disaster economically. It took the Republican's to fix that mess and create those jobs by FORCING Clinton to work with them. Now if you want to talk post 2000 and the mess they created fine. I am not enamoured of the 2000-2006 Republican congress in any way.

I have repeated...OVER AND OVER AND OVER...there are MANY MANY MANY things i dispise about President Bush you stupid fucks never seem to see it, and so you bring up stupid things that have nothing to do with the post I made.

BDS all the way.

[Onestepper]

CNN is about as impartial as they come. Sure, conservatives love to play those tired old chords, but there is no evidence whatsoever to back those claims.

You are serious right? Just watch Jack Cafferty on CNN for one segment. You'll have your evidence.

Yeah, but Lou Dobbs leans against Obama. It's a pretty good mix.

Lou Dobbs leans against anyone in power, as long as he is pulling a paycheck and gets his 15 minutes. Seen his self promoting 'convention' he is having?

http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?ref=feeds%2Fcommunity%2Fassignment&topicId=66366

[Voyager]

I will happily admit that President Bush has had many many failings and fell far short of the things I had hoped when I cast my votes for him.

Good - then use your intellect and vote for Obama, and stop giving your loyalty to Bush and McCain. They have done a damn thing to deserve it.

[7 Wishes]

We aren't talking about Bush are we??? I am talking about Obama you ass.

I cannot stand how much Bush has exploded the government and the debt.

It's only going to get worse with Obama.

And Clinton's first 2 years were a disaster economically. It took the Republican's to fix that mess and create those jobs by FORCING Clinton to work with them. Now if you want to talk post 2000 and the mess they created fine. I am not enamoured of the 2000-2006 Republican congress in any way.

I have repeated...OVER AND OVER AND OVER...there are MANY MANY MANY things i dispise about President Bush you stupid fucks never seem to see it, and so you bring up stupid things that have nothing to do with the post I made.

BDS all the way.

No, you were talking about Clinton.

And I have repeatedly REFUTED your claims about the Republican Congress. It was incompetent.

YOUR Republican Congress under Clinton tried to pass through $429 billion MORE in spending than Clinton approved. That's right. He was the spendthrift. The Republicans have been spending and spending and spending since they lost their way in the 1970's.

[finalfight]

OUCH!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/ ... 486/580223

[S2M]

Stu, I have a question for you...and I apologize for asking a personal question. I've never spoken to you before, therefore not sure if you will be offended...

What's makes YOU a republican, or more specifically: Why do you relate to the republican philosophy? And why do you stick by party lines?

Just asking....you don't need to answer.....thought it would shed light on your responses a bit....

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, I have a question for you...and I apologize for asking a personal question. I've never spoken to you before, therefore not sure if you will be offended...

What's makes YOU a republican, or more specifically: Why do you relate to the republican philosophy? And why do you stick by party lines?

Just asking....you don't need to answer.....thought it would shed light on your responses a bit....

I am not a republican...I am a conservative libertarian.

Less government. Less taxes. Screw and marry who you want. Do all the drugs you want. PERSONAL responsibility above all.

Those are the things I believe in.

[Voyager]

I cannot stand how much Bush has exploded the government and the debt.

Good... now you're coming around and using some common sense instead of just blind loyalty to the GOP. I did the same thing a few years ago and bailed out of the failed party. The Bush/McCain/GOP platform is a joke. Obama will follow democratic principles and turn the economy back into the black just like Clinton did.

You cannot deny the facts, as much as you would like to spin them:







Trying to spin these facts would be a full time job.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are serious right? Just watch Jack Cafferty on CNN for one segment. You'll have your evidence.

Emphasis on the word "segment".
Cafferty isn't hosting his own program, and despite his current animus towards Bush, the guy isn't a doctrinaire liberal by any stretch.
Meanwhile Wolf Blitzer, the channel's mainstay, is little more than a beige amorphous rip'n'read drone.
The only thing approximating a liberal media is Olbermann.

[styxman]

Stu, I have a question for you...and I apologize for asking a personal question. I've never spoken to you before, therefore not sure if you will be offended...

What's makes YOU a republican, or more specifically: Why do you relate to the republican philosophy? And why do you stick by party lines?

Just asking....you don't need to answer.....thought it would shed light on your responses a bit....

I am not a republican...I am a conservative libertarian.

Less government. Less taxes. Screw and marry who you want. Do all the drugs you want. PERSONAL responsibility above all.

Those are the things I believe in.

You're a Cuban

[RossValoryRocks]

We aren't talking about Bush are we??? I am talking about Obama you ass.

I cannot stand how much Bush has exploded the government and the debt.

It's only going to get worse with Obama.

And Clinton's first 2 years were a disaster economically. It took the Republican's to fix that mess and create those jobs by FORCING Clinton to work with them. Now if you want to talk post 2000 and the mess they created fine. I am not enamoured of the 2000-2006 Republican congress in any way.

I have repeated...OVER AND OVER AND OVER...there are MANY MANY MANY things i dispise about President Bush you stupid fucks never seem to see it, and so you bring up stupid things that have nothing to do with the post I made.

BDS all the way.

No, you were talking about Clinton.

And I have repeatedly REFUTED your claims about the Republican Congress. It was incompetent.

YOUR Republican Congress under Clinton tried to pass through $429 billion MORE in spending than Clinton approved. That's right. He was the spendthrift. The Republicans have been spending and spending and spending since they lost their way in the 1970's.

You haven't refuted shit, but your own God given intelligence, you threw that away a long time ago.

Obama is going destroy us economically if he is elected. PERIOD.

Clinton did shit as President economically. The Internet Boom was funded almost SOLELY by the lowering of the Capital Gains tax which allowed people to invest money without getting soaked by taxes when they rolled it into a new investment.

I don't know where you get your dubious facts about the '90 but we achieved IN SPITE of Clinton, not because of him.

[7 Wishes]

I can't wait to see what bullshit he pulls out of his ass for this one.

Again, the Republican Congress were maniacal overspenders, following in the footsteps of their recent predecessors and Reagan and Bush I. The Democrats have had to reel them in and control them every time. Fiscal conservatism, once a foundation of Republican politics, is no more.

[Onestepper]

I can't wait to see what bullshit he pulls out of his ass for this one.

Again, the Republican Congress were maniacal overspenders, following in the footsteps of their recent predecessors and Reagan and Bush I. The Democrats have had to reel them in and control them every time. Fiscal conservatism, once a foundation of Republican politics, is no more.

You are on a roll today. Is it possible at all for you to criticize anything the Democrats have done? You seriously don't know why the Dem party is known as the party of tax and spend? Just curious.