OT: Michael Moore and former Dem chairman

[S2M]

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s. Cuba has "show clinics" for stupid foreigners to view -- what Cubans themselves see is far different (and much worse). Think Fidel Castro (who's now worth $900 million, all stolen of course) goes to Cuban hospitals for his health care? Hell no. He takes a jet to Spain and goes to a real hospital.

Oh yeah, he had to go to Spain to correct the bang up job the locals did on his colon or something right??? 'Sicko' is right. Too damn funny. Good looking out seperate wayz.

Birds of a feather.....spin together.....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s...

You obviously didn't see the movie.

[RedWingFan]

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s. Cuba has "show clinics" for stupid foreigners to view -- what Cubans themselves see is far different (and much worse). Think Fidel Castro (who's now worth $900 million, all stolen of course) goes to Cuban hospitals for his health care? Hell no. He takes a jet to Spain and goes to a real hospital.

Oh yeah, he had to go to Spain to correct the bang up job the locals did on his colon or something right??? 'Sicko' is right. Too damn funny. Good looking out seperate wayz.

Birds of a feather.....spin together.....

Oh, you saying Fidel didn't go overseas for care?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't look like Barb was talking about Edwards' hair.

Unless your intended purpose was for me to re-quote Barb (if so, job well done), I fail to understand what needs parsing here.
She was talking about the mainstream media not covering negative stories involving Dems as a universal rule.
And she cited the lack of coverage over “Edwards love child” as proof.

Thinking there is even a remote shot in hell the mainstream media would cover a dem doing something bad. I mean .... look at the John Edwards baby scandal. Not a peep. Sarah Palin's daughter's child? OMG! Biggest news story ever. Case freaking closed.

The mainstream media’s preoccupation with Edward’s haircut (or Hillary’s cackle or Al Gore’s sighs or Obama’s elitism, or whatever teapot tempest serves to divert the rabble from the castle gates) would seem to suggest otherwise.

[RedWingFan]

I present to you another brilliant Barack Obama supporter, Mr. Puff Daddy or P Diddy whatever the moron's calling himself now.

Alaska? Alaska? Alaska? Alaska. Ala-- Come on, man. I don't even know if there's any black people in Alaska. What in the [beep]? ALASKA? You're bugging the [beep] out. Sarah Palin, you ain't ready to be vice president. Alaska Mother[beep]er? What is the reality in Alas--? There's not even no crackheads in Alaska! There's not even no black people. There's not even no like -- crime or, uh, uh like -- Foreign policies, you all may be versed on foreign -- foreign policies. You all need to get versed on black policies and youth policies. We the future. John, you're bugging the [beep] out, man.

[RobbieG]

I present to you another brilliant Barack Obama supporter, Mr. Puff Daddy or P Diddy whatever the moron's calling himself now.

Alaska? Alaska? Alaska? Alaska. Ala-- Come on, man. I don't even know if there's any black people in Alaska. What in the [beep]? ALASKA? You're bugging the [beep] out. Sarah Palin, you ain't ready to be vice president. Alaska Mother[beep]er? What is the reality in Alas--? There's not even no crackheads in Alaska! There's not even no black people. There's not even no like -- crime or, uh, uh like -- Foreign policies, you all may be versed on foreign -- foreign policies. You all need to get versed on black policies and youth policies. We the future. John, you're bugging the [beep] out, man.

He is a moron. There are blacks living in alaska he needs to get his facts 1st before rapping it. asshole

[conversationpc]

The mainstream media’s preoccupation with Edward’s haircut (or Hillary’s cackle or Al Gore’s sighs or Obama’s elitism, or whatever teapot tempest serves to divert the rabble from the castle gates) would seem to suggest otherwise.

Was it the mainstream media who were preoccupied with it or people like Hannity, who seemed to mention it on every show? Regardless, we're not talking about his damn haircut. The mainstream media reportedly sat on this love child story for nearly a year and they were scooped by a rag that has little credibility at all. How embarrassing. If this story would have been about McCain instead, the NY Times and their ilk would have had it as a front page story as soon as they possibly could have.

[conversationpc]

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s...

You obviously didn't see the movie.

If it's anything like "Bowling for Columbine", which I did see, I'll save my money, thanks. If I want to see Goebbels-type propaganda films, I'll watch the History channel during their Nazi newsreel marathon.

[7 Wishes]

Barb, in all fairness - and as someone who (as one of his three majors) knows about journalistic ethics (though not necessarily how to write effectively), I need to point out that the Enquirer was the ONLY media source with the scoop on Edwards. They are not exactly a bastion of integrity, and although there were rumours circulating about the possibility of the affair, no other news organization had any proof whatsoever. And since the Enquirer makes ALL its money by having the "inside scoop" or as the purported "first" or "only" source, there was no way in hell they were going to give NBC or FOX their photographs and/or documentation.

So the media - without any proof and with no witnesses coming forward - had no choice but to "sit" on the story (although the rumors were reported periodically via many mainstream outlets) until something that could be substantiated was brought to light.

I would like to put this out there to see what kind of responses are elicited:

During the 2004 election cycle, Fox news routinely used "News Ticker" commentaries stating, among the following:

"Citizens have less chance of dying in Iraq than they do in California."
"John Kerry looks French".
"204 days till George W. Bush is re-elected."

If you can provide me with evidence that NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NPR, or PBS ever utilized the same tactics but rather for the benefit of the Democrats, I'd like to see it.

[conversationpc]

I would like to put this out there to see what kind of responses are elicited:

During the 2004 election cycle, Fox news routinely used "News Ticker" commentaries stating, among the following:

"Citizens have less chance of dying in Iraq than they do in California."
"John Kerry looks French".
"204 days till George W. Bush is re-elected."

What shows were these tickers run on? If they were run on shows that are supposed to report straight news, then that is a problem. However, if they were run on commentary shows where the host or one of the hosts is admittedly conservative, then what difference does it make?

[7 Wishes]

Good point - I don't know the answer to that question, so I can only assume it was Hannity or O'Reilly.

I did watch H/C for a while this afternoon...I stick by my belief that Colmes is simply there for comic relief. He has, to quote Diamond Dave, "all the spine of a chocolate eclair".

[RossValoryRocks]

Good point - I don't know the answer to that question, so I can only assume it was Hannity or O'Reilly.

I did watch H/C for a while this afternoon...I stick by my belief that Colmes is simply there for comic relief. He has, to quote Diamond Dave, "all the spine of a chocolate eclair".

Colmes looks like he is dead and still moving...has anyone taken his pulse lately?

[conversationpc]

Good point - I don't know the answer to that question, so I can only assume it was Hannity or O'Reilly.

I did watch H/C for a while this afternoon...I stick by my belief that Colmes is simply there for comic relief. He has, to quote Diamond Dave, "all the spine of a chocolate eclair".

He used to have a good radio show back in the early to mid 90s. I used to listen to Barry Farber and Colmes' show came on immediately afterward.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Was it the mainstream media who were preoccupied with it or people like Hannity, who seemed to mention it on every show?

Is you experience with the media limited to what other people tell you?

Regardless, we're not talking about his damn haircut.

No, we're perpetuating the lie that the media gives all Dems a free pass.

If this story would have been about McCain instead, the NY Times and their ilk would have had it as a front page story as soon as they possibly could have.

Uhh, the NY Times story wasn’t about McCain having a romantic tryst. Only a person who lets Glenn Beck dictate the news to them would walk away with that impression. The story was about McCain doing legislative favors for a lobbyist's clients, a transgression far more demanding of scrutiny than who John Edwards happens to stick his dick into.

[conversationpc]

Was it the mainstream media who were preoccupied with it or people like Hannity, who seemed to mention it on every show?

Is you experience with the media limited to what other people tell you?

Good job avoiding the question with another question. Straight out of the liberal playbook.

No, we're perpetuating the lie that the media gives all Dems a free pass.

No one said that. Try again, genius.

Only a person who lets Glenn Beck dictate the news to them would walk away with that impression.

I think less about Glenn's dictation than your fawning over that "journalist" Olbermann.

[conversationpc]

Here's the video showing Fowler making the above quoted statement on a flight with Rep. John Spratt (D-SC).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78

Here's the video with Olbermann's interview with Michael Moore where he makes his ridiculous comment. Of course, Olbermann does NOT call Moore on the carpet for his statement but you know he damn well would have if this had been said by Bush or any other Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CKBt652 ... re=related

Gee, TNC, where's your principled "journalist" on this one? He had a chance to smack Moore down like he has continually done to Republicans and he passed it up. Big surprise, huh? What a spineless weasel...or could it be that he actually agreed with Moore's comment? I would guess the latter.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The mainstream media’s preoccupation with Edward’s haircut (or Hillary’s cackle or Al Gore’s sighs or Obama’s elitism, or whatever teapot tempest serves to divert the rabble from the castle gates) would seem to suggest otherwise.

Was it the mainstream media who were preoccupied with it or people like Hannity, who seemed to mention it on every show?

Is you experience with the media limited to what other people tell you?

Good job avoiding the question with another question. Straight out of the liberal playbook.

Did you really want me to answer that?
If your thoughts immediately turn to Sean Hannity upon mention of “the mainstream media”, your viewing habits obviously don’t stray too far from your ideological comfort zone.
The notion that liberals receive preferential kid glove treatment at the hands of adoring media acolytes persists only to feed Conservativism's victimization complex.
Politics don’t drive corporate-owned newsrooms, bottom lines do.

No, we're perpetuating the lie that the media gives all Dems a free pass.

No one said that. Try again, genius.

Unlike your pet TV and radio Huns, you can’t turn off my microphone or selectively edit a quote.
There’s only one ascertainable meaning of Barb’s quote produced below:

Thinking there is even a remote shot in hell the mainstream media would cover a dem doing something bad.

I think less about Glenn's dictation than your fawning over that "journalist" Olbermann.

Never ceases to amaze me how one TV anchor can send undulating vibrations of terror throughout the Conservative borg hive.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's the video showing Fowler making the above quoted statement on a flight with Rep. John Spratt (D-SC).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78

This was already posted and the guy apologised.
This guy speaks for all Democrats in about as much as Focus on the Family spoke for all Conservatives when it prayed for a biblical downpour at the DNC convention.

Here's the video with Olbermann's interview with Michael Moore where he makes his ridiculous comment. Of course, Olbermann does NOT call Moore on the carpet for his statement but you know he damn well would have if this had been said by Bush or any other Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CKBt652 ... re=related

Gee, TNC, where's your principled "journalist" on this one? He had a chance to smack Moore down like he has continually done to Republicans and he passed it up. Big surprise, huh? What a spineless weasel...or could it be that he actually agreed with Moore's comment? I would guess the latter.

Not sure what imaginary code of ethics you and Barb think Olbermann must swear allegiance to each morning.
He hosts a cable newscast and can do with it as he pleases, especially when it comes to interview or culture segments.
Smacking down Republicans lies does not, ipso facto, turn a show into full blown liberal advocacy.
Perhaps someday.

[conversationpc]

Here's the video showing Fowler making the above quoted statement on a flight with Rep. John Spratt (D-SC).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78

This was already posted and the guy apologised.

If he apologized, then good for him. However, Glenn Beck apologized for his comments about the California wildfires and you didn't accept that apology since you've brought that up on a number of occasions on this board.

Not sure what imaginary code of ethics you and Barb think Olbermann must swear allegiance to each morning.
He hosts a cable newscast and can do with it as he pleases, especially when it comes to interview or culture segments.
Smacking down Republicans lies does not, ipso facto, turn a show into full blown liberal advocacy.
Perhaps someday.

I figured you'd say this. Your standards apparently only apply to those that you disagree with and, when your liberal idols are caught with their proverbial pants down, you have some other slippery excuse for why the same standard does not apply. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Never ceases to amaze me how one TV anchor can send undulating vibrations of laughter throughout the Conservative borg hive.

Fixed.

[ebake02]

I just want to see if the mainstream press covers it.

The majority of mainstream media slants the left so I highly doubt it. Now if a prominent republican said this they would crucify him/her.

[The Sushi Hunter]

First of all, Moore is not an IDIOT. But I guess because he exposes all this flim-flam - he gets a bad rap.

Your hero Michael Moore is a disgusting fat body there's no doubt about that. And with a lard ass of his magnitude, his days are numbered. Cause even though he's successful at manipulating people like yourself, he won't be able to do the same with the laws of nature. I'm expecting to read about this any day now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If he apologized, then good for him. However, Glenn Beck apologized for his comments about the California wildfires and you didn't accept that apology since you've brought that up on a number of occasions on this board.

Huuuge difference between a private conversation caught on a cell cam, and cheering for peoples' fiery deaths on 300 stations while using the public airwaves. The worst part being Beck actually knew he was live on-air.

I figured you'd say this. Your standards apparently only apply to those that you disagree with and, when your liberal idols are caught with their proverbial pants down, you have some other slippery excuse for why the same standard does not apply. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

I'm supposed to hold Keith Olbermann to account for something some celebrity guest spouted on his show?
Sure, maybe Olbermann should've held Moore's feet to the fire, but he let Hillary Clinton off the hook too.
Maybe it just isn't his style.
An interview with Michael Moore has all the news import of O'Reilly's Great American Culture Quiz...really trivial shit.

[conversationpc]

If he apologized, then good for him. However, Glenn Beck apologized for his comments about the California wildfires and you didn't accept that apology since you've brought that up on a number of occasions on this board.

Huuuge difference between a private conversation caught on a cell cam, and cheering for peoples' fiery deaths on 300 stations while using the public airwaves. The worst part being Beck actually knew he was live on-air.

There's NO difference whatsoever. If it's wrong in a private conversation, then it's also wrong in front of millions of people. Don't you think people are more apt to say what they really believe if they think their conversation is not being heard by others as opposed to a conversation they know is being listened to by thousands of others?

Regardless, you're stretching the truth again as you so often do. Beck didn't cheer for "peoples' fiery deaths". His comments were about the HOMES that were burning down and, as previously stated, he apologized on air, and not because he was caught with his proverbial pants down, like this other scumbag.

Besides that, I was under the impression that you thought of Beck as only an entertainer. So now you're taking him seriously with his comments about the fires? Explain that bit of turnabout.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There's NO difference whatsoever. If it's wrong in a private conversation, then it's also wrong in front of millions of people.

There's no recourse of action or owed public responsibility for what is spoken between private parties.

Don't you think people are more apt to say what they really believe if they think their conversation is not being heard by others as opposed to a conversation they know is being listened to by thousands of others?

Who cares? There's no public trust issue when it comes to a guy jawboning on an airplane.

Regardless, you're stretching the truth again as you so often do. Beck didn't cheer for "peoples' fiery deaths". His comments were about the HOMES that were burning down and, as previously stated, he apologized on air, and not because he was caught with his proverbial pants down, like this other scumbag.

You're absolutely right.
He said: "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today.”

I'll leave it to the gallery to divine the moral difference.

Besides that, I was under the impression that you thought of Beck as only an entertainer.

Those are their words, not mine.
And it's usually uttered (moreso by Rush and Hannity) when they are called on their fact-free bullshit.

So now you're taking him seriously with his comments about the fires? Explain that bit of turnabout.

My only concern is propagandizing on the public airwaves.

[conversationpc]

There's NO difference whatsoever. If it's wrong in a private conversation, then it's also wrong in front of millions of people.

There's no recourse of action or owed public responsibility for what is spoken between private parties.

I must say that it's very interesting the mental gymnastics you go through to come up with excuses as to why certain public officials' behavior is acceptable and that of others is not.

My only concern is propagandizing on the public airwaves.

This could be the funniest comment you've ever posted.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There's NO difference whatsoever. If it's wrong in a private conversation, then it's also wrong in front of millions of people.

There's no recourse of action or owed public responsibility for what is spoken between private parties.

I must say that it's very interesting the mental gymnastics you go through to come up with excuses as to why certain public officials' behavior is acceptable and that of others is not

No, its simply called the rule of law.
I wouldn't expect a craven Republican to understand.

My only concern is propagandizing on the public airwaves.

This could be the funniest comment you've ever posted.

Tee-hee.
Father Coughlin's audience was once over 40 million strong before FDR banned him.
Beck's time is a comin, and I can't wait.

[conversationpc]

No, its simply called the rule of law.
I wouldn't expect a craven Republican to understand.

Interesting comment coming from someone who uses a slide rule as the measuring stick for what's right or wrong. Rule of law has nothing to do with these comments.

Tee-hee.
Father Coughlin's audience was once over 40 million strong before FDR banned him.
Beck's time is a comin, and I can't wait.

Glad to see you're such a strong supporter of the 1st amendment. If Beck's rights are trampled, theyll be coming for you next. No wonder you display such vitriol against those who disagree with you. If you can't silence them with truth, since it's not on your side to begin with, you just use the "rule" of law. Good call, Mussolini.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Interesting comment coming from someone who uses a slide rule as the measuring stick for what's right or wrong. Rule of law has nothing to do with these comments.

Dave, to put it mildly, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
There is no comparison between a private citizen speaking on a airplane, and a guy syndicated coast-to-coast using the public airwaves.

Glad to see you're such a strong supporter of the 1st amendment. If Beck's rights are trampled, theyll be coming for you next. No wonder you display such vitriol against those whom disagree with you. If you can't silence them with truth, since it's not on your side to begin with, you just use the "rule" of law. Good call, Mussolini.

I'm sure Coughlin had his diehard supporters too.
Certain things simply have to be done for the public good.

[separate_wayz]

Michael Moore is a fat, stupid meathead if he thinks that the Cuban health care "system" is better than the U.S.'s...

You obviously didn't see the movie.

Strike one. Care to try again?

If you want to see a more honest portrayal of Cuba, see Andy Garcia's "The Lost City". Or, better yet, read Armando Valladares' "Against All Hope". Valladares offers a glimpse into Fidel's sadistic and depraved world of gulags and political murder (which helps explain his longevity, not any alleged "popularity" among the Cuban people because of health clinics that they themselves are not even eligible to benefit from).

On that note, I'd be more likely to take the Left seriously, if instead of railing against imaginary abuses at Gitmo, they spent 1% of their time lobbying to get those tortured, lost souls liberated from Fidel's political prison camps.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Strike one. Care to try again?

Not really.
Anyone who thought Moore was ranking Cuba's healthcare over our own obviously walked into the Cineplex with their own partisan blinders.
The point was about putting the people's welfare over quarter profits.

On that note, I'd be more likely to take the Left seriously, if instead of railing against imaginary abuses at Gitmo,..

You mean the ones reported by that pinko liberal bastion the Red Cross?