OT--Mccain or Obama,Who Gets Your Vote And Why??

[scarygirl]

McCain/Palin.

I've always been a fan of McCain, and now even more so with his choice of Palin as our first, FEMALE VICE PRESIDENT. Name it and claim brethren, Obama is going down.

[7 Wishes]

1. Taxes, Obama no matter his rhetoric will raise taxes and destroy our economy
2. Energy. I am all for energy independence. We have to bridge our energy needs with our OWN oil and to do that we need to DRILL. If it takes 10 years to get the oil (it won't but I will use Obama's numbers) then we had better start soon or rather than bring in our own oil we will be paying people who hate us (and always have) for our energy needs. Obama won't allow the drilling, with McCain we will start.
3. You don't negotiate with Iran et al without getting them to stop the race to nuclear weapons. McCain won't...Obama will...he said he would and you know...I believe him.

Point, point and point........game over, next!....[/quote]


Wow, did I miss your blithely ignorant posts. Where ya been, dude?

Item the first: scare tactics. Democrats know how to handle an economy; Republicans know how to borrow money and spend, spend, spend. Non-partisan studies have shown the average middle-class American would get to keep 5% more of their income under the Obama plan, to 3% under McCain. References to this have already been listed previously on this post.

OK, you need to examine your logic. If we invested in solar, we could get 90 percent of our energy needs as a nation WITHIN 10 years. So, sure, I support drilling in Alaska...IF, and ONLY IF the government gives solar the same multi-billion dollar subsidies it currently does for Big Oil. THAT is how you solve the dependence problem.

[stevew2]

1. Taxes, Obama no matter his rhetoric will raise taxes and destroy our economy
2. Energy. I am all for energy independence. We have to bridge our energy needs with our OWN oil and to do that we need to DRILL. If it takes 10 years to get the oil (it won't but I will use Obama's numbers) then we had better start soon or rather than bring in our own oil we will be paying people who hate us (and always have) for our energy needs. Obama won't allow the drilling, with McCain we will start.
3. You don't negotiate with Iran et al without getting them to stop the race to nuclear weapons. McCain won't...Obama will...he said he would and you know...I believe him.

Point, point and point........game over, next!....

Wow, did I miss your blithely ignorant posts. Where ya been, dude?

Item the first: scare tactics. Democrats know how to handle an economy; Republicans know how to borrow money and spend, spend, spend. Non-partisan studies have shown the average middle-class American would get to keep 5% more of their income under the Obama plan, to 3% under McCain. References to this have already been listed previously on this post.

OK, you need to examine your logic. If we invested in solar, we could get 90 percent of our energy needs as a nation WITHIN 10 years. So, sure, I support drilling in Alaska...IF, and ONLY IF the government gives solar the same multi-billion dollar subsidies it currently does for Big Oil. THAT is how you solve the dependence problem.[/quote]Give me a close up on your Aviater

[conversationpc]

Item the first: scare tactics. Democrats know how to handle an economy; Republicans know how to borrow money and spend, spend, spend. Non-partisan studies have shown the average middle-class American would get to keep 5% more of their income under the Obama plan, to 3% under McCain. References to this have already been listed previously on this post.

Wrong. With all the additional spending that Obama is proposing, there is no way in hell that he will be lowering taxes for "95% of Americans".

[The_Noble_Cause]

Put the rest of my statement in asshole.

Do not misquote me.

Very well then.

3. You don't negotiate with Iran et al without getting them to stop the race to nuclear weapons. McCain won't...Obama will...he said he would and you know...I believe him.

This does nothing to change the fact that a US Diplomat, met with Iranians over the nuclear issue as recently as August.

[RossValoryRocks]

Put the rest of my statement in asshole.

Do not misquote me.

Very well then.

3. You don't negotiate with Iran et al without getting them to stop the race to nuclear weapons. McCain won't...Obama will...he said he would and you know...I believe him.

This does nothing to change the fact that a US Diplomat, met with Iranians over the nuclear issue as recently as August.

No...the us diplomat sat in while the Europeans negotiated to STOP nuclear weapons. Obama is talking about a face to face with Ahmadinejad, not having a diplomat sit in with the Europeans.

There have been NO FORMAL face to face meeting with Iranian leadership since the revolution of 1979.

[artist4perry]

Pit bull with lipstick! Mess with that terrorists!

Right, let's predicate our evaluation of her capacity as a potential commander-in-chief of the world's most powerful nation on her anchorwoman-like delivery of a line written by Karl Rove.

You have no humor in you do you?? For fuck sake.

Notice a WINK...and lots of LOL smiles.

And Karl Rove didn't write the speech.

Oh yeah...That line was not IN the speech. She did that extemporaneously.

Now, now, he can't help it! :lol It was humor. If I gave him my real reasons he would have went into a rabinous fit, and I was trying to keep his blood pressure valve from popping! You know we must all want government run health care, though they screw up all that they touch. And we must have all kinds of social programs that are going to be magically funded by who knows? (Everyone!) And while the surge was a success, we still must retreat and reduce the millitary. That way when anouther 9/11 comes around we can sit here and cry and not defend ourselves! Maybe we should do what one of the Dem leaders in San Francisco suggested! Get rid of the millitary all together and just have cops! Oh JOY! Do I feel the protection! LOL! Sorry I cannot go for funding one million babies killed a year. These are not all hardship cases, and it is not a life threatening situation to be pregnant except for extreme circumstances. I can see for extreme situations, but not one million a year! That is just the icing on the cake. I by the way am an independent voter. The Democratic party has swung too far to the far left for me.
I still loves ya, 7! But I cannot in good concience agree with the lefts policies.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No...the us diplomat sat in while the Europeans negotiated to STOP nuclear weapons. Obama is talking about a face to face with Ahmadinejad, not having a diplomat sit in with the Europeans.

One line made at a CNN debate should not be construed as the totality of Obama's foreign policy.
Rice and Gates are in favor of talks, too.

Reagan spoke to Gorbachev
Nixon met Mao
What exactly are you afraid of?

[RossValoryRocks]

No...the us diplomat sat in while the Europeans negotiated to STOP nuclear weapons. Obama is talking about a face to face with Ahmadinejad, not having a diplomat sit in with the Europeans.

One line made at a CNN debate should not be construed as the totality of Obama's foreign policy.
Rice and Gates are in favor of talks, too.

Reagan spoke to Gorbachev
Nixon met Mao
What exactly are you afraid of?

Now you saying I shouldn't take your candidate at his word? He said he would sit down with them face to face with no constraints, that is reckless and irresponsible.

Neither of the two leaders you mentioned wanted to bring about Armageddon. Ahmadinejad does. He has stated it numerous time. Also by the time Nixon and Reagan sat down with them they already had the bomb, so the point was moot.

You don't negotiate with nut cases like Ahmadinejad. Period.

[Moon Beam]

"Mccain or Obama,Who Gets Your Vote And Why"

Niether cuz I'm a Canuck.

[RossValoryRocks]

"Mccain or Obama,Who Gets Your Vote And Why"

Niether cuz I'm a Canuck.

Ahhhh a refugee from Greater Canuckistan...coming to that great American haven of the Mistake by the Lake, Cleveland for the show tomorrow?

[Moon Beam]

Ahhhh a refugee from Greater Canuckistan...coming to that great American haven of the Mistake by the Lake, Cleveland for the show tomorrow?

I would so love to join all of you loverlys and will try to be there in sauce spirits
but like most other times I can't make it there tomorrow.
Please have a great time and talk badly about me if you can.
Thanks for the inquiry RVR.

[Rhiannon]

Ahhhh a refugee from Greater Canuckistan...coming to that great American haven of the Mistake by the Lake, Cleveland for the show tomorrow?

I would so love to join all of you loverlys and will try to be there in sauce spirits
but like most other times I can't make it there tomorrow.
Please have a great time and talk badly about me if you can.
Thanks for the inquiry RVR.

Moonshine, I might get schlopped enough to say "f-it" to the INSANE charges Verizon loves to tack on to Canadian calling and give you a quick ring when we're all together tonight or tomorrow.

[Vocalsmanvocals]

My wife and I have heard the speeches from both parties and have really looked at all the issues.

We are leaning towards McCain/Palin.

I was originally for Obama without looking at the issues, he is a good speaker to a crowd but....Obama does seem stuck on himself and his questionable judgement (specifically about meeting with dictators as he said in the earlier debates). Now I know diplomacy means meeting with everyone, but come on, you can't negotiate with a dictator as the dictator just wants everything for themselves. (Its the dictator's way or the highway...come on Obama, r u kidding me?) Red light!!!!!!!!!

Everywhere Obama makes a speech, he does not talk about the specifics or how he will get things done. Where is Obama going to get all the $ to change America???? Implement all these programs but where is the $$$ going to come from???? Hillary was very good at this.....she gave the people details on how she will change America. She gave the who, what, where, when, why, and how.

McCain just seems sensible and very proud to be an American...He kept saying America is who he puts first. It was touching...You could see McCain get teary eyed many times during his speech..He loves his country through thick and thin.

I was kinda perplexed after McCain's speech how CNN had at the bottom of the screen in big white lettering : "MCCAIN SLAMS OBAMA" Umm hey CNN, were we watching the same speech???? McCain didn't slam Ombama. Only a tease here and there. I thought the speech was passionate, seemed simple, and very laid back...like McCain was talking to me. We felt the same about Palin's speech.

The stories that have come out about McCain this week as he was a POW are amazing...ya I knew the general stuff, but not these detailed stories...McCain had the courage and the grace being a POW to pass over being released within 1 year of his capture so other POWs would be released. Then McCains spends another 4 years in a box....Hats off to that guy, that is a hero.

Its amazing how maninstream media here in America is just backing Obama to no end....I am glad of all the other media outlets that are saying positive things and keeping it real for McCain.

We can't wait for the debates to start, that will be interesting...

[Tito]

Pit bull with lipstick! Mess with that terrorists!

Right, let's predicate our evaluation of her capacity as a potential commander-in-chief of the world's most powerful nation on her anchorwoman-like delivery of a line written by Karl Rove.

Actually the line was adlibbed according to MSNBC when her teleprompter went out.

[Tito]

I guess we know that Ann and Nancy will not be voting for the GOP...


Please don't kill the messenger boy okay?

http://www.tmz.com/

They blasted that last night shortly after McCain's speech when Sarah came out. I guess I'm going to have to wear McCain/Palin shirt next week to the concert. I also heard Don't Stop Believin in the post speech party.

[Tito]

If I can remember to get an absentee ballot in time (if there still is time), then McCain/Palin hands down. NoMoBo and such.

There is time so get your ass in gear.

[brywool]

Team Obama:

Reason- The world hates us thanks to the Bush administration. We have the largest deficit ever thanks to the Bush administration (after coming into a surplus). We went after the wrong country (Iraq when it should've been Afghanastan) thanks to the Bush administration(s).

Mcain and Palin are another 4 years of Bush's policies. Mcain's voted with Bush 90% of the time.

I'm sick of it. I want real change, not 4 more years of the same bs and crooked Bush admin. I like Mcain as a guy, but I do not like his party and what they've done to America. Palin's hot, but that's it. I thought she came off as a b*tch during her speech the other night in places. The one thing she said about "Obama wants to make sure that a suspected terrorist is read his rights". NO SHIT Palin. That's part of our justice system and unlike Bush who seems to want to throw it all out the window and just round up anybody and throw them in jail, it has to be done lawfully. Innocent until proven guilty. I also didn't like her digs at Obama. Not because I'm not a Repub, but because it's like, here's this gal out of nowhere (literally) and she's gonna just slam the guy in what is basically her first minute in the spotlight? I thought it was classless and made me feel like I was watching The View.

I heard most of Mcain's speech and I liked a lot of it, but there were some things that I didn't like. He mentioned electric cars. That'll never happened. Already did and they were pulled because the oil companies freaked out. He's talking about "Drill now, drill now". Great, so the environment can suffer because gas prices are high? Everybody's talking about ending our dependence on foreign oil, that will NEVER happen.

Of course, no matter who's in, I think it's going to be BS anyway. It always is. When Clinton was in, things seemed great but they weren't. I was better off. The country had no deficit, but there was other BS happening. Corporations run the world and as long as money is to be made by driving our country into the ground, giving everything away to foreign workers, giving everything to China, things will never change.

Why would Palin want to be known as a Barracuda? Kudos to Heart for slamming them. Also, didn't they do that the other night with somebody else's tune? I forget who...

[Carrington]

1. Taxes, Obama no matter his rhetoric will raise taxes and destroy our economy
2. Energy. I am all for energy independence. We have to bridge our energy needs with our OWN oil and to do that we need to DRILL. If it takes 10 years to get the oil (it won't but I will use Obama's numbers) then we had better start soon or rather than bring in our own oil we will be paying people who hate us (and always have) for our energy needs. Obama won't allow the drilling, with McCain we will start.
3. You don't negotiate with Iran et al without getting them to stop the race to nuclear weapons. McCain won't...Obama will...he said he would and you know...I believe him.

Point, point and point........game over, next!....

Wow, did I miss your blithely ignorant posts. Where ya been, dude?

Item the first: scare tactics. Democrats know how to handle an economy; Republicans know how to borrow money and spend, spend, spend. Non-partisan studies have shown the average middle-class American would get to keep 5% more of their income under the Obama plan, to 3% under McCain. References to this have already been listed previously on this post.

OK, you need to examine your logic. If we invested in solar, we could get 90 percent of our energy needs as a nation WITHIN 10 years. So, sure, I support drilling in Alaska...IF, and ONLY IF the government gives solar the same multi-billion dollar subsidies it currently does for Big Oil. THAT is how you solve the dependence problem.[/quote]


Apparently you can't read just like you can't reason.....I quoted RossValoryRocks with a quick, and succint post in agreement......if you don't like my posts, please feel free to go and fuck yourself......

now hurry up and slap that solar panel on your car and fire up a doobie, bra!....

[conversationpc]

Reason- The world hates us thanks to the Bush administration.

The USA's stock has been going down ever since the USSR bit the dust. No one cares much for a lone super power. I'm not sure we'd be much more liked even without Bush.

We have the largest deficit ever thanks to the Bush administration (after coming into a surplus).

True but the budget surplus was really just masking the real issue, which is the enormous debt we continue to incur, which still managed to increase in the 90s even while Clinton was in office. All Presidents and Congresses in the last 50+ years have contributed to it.

We went after the wrong country (Iraq when it should've been Afghanastan) thanks to the Bush administration(s).

This is an unwinnable argument by either side. Not going there again.

Mcain and Palin are another 4 years of Bush's policies. Mcain's voted with Bush 90% of the time.

Obama has voted 97% of the time with his own party. So much for his supposed independent and new way of thinking, huh? At least McCain breaks with his own party more often than Obama.

Why would Palin want to be known as a Barracuda. Kudos to Heart for slamming them.

She was known as "Sarah Barracuda" on her high school basketball team because of her tenacity and for playing with a stress fracture in her leg. Heart should be grateful that their song has gotten more exposure over the last few days than they've had overall in the last 10 years.

[brywool]

Easy

McCain/Palin

Palin was born in the same state as I. She is almost my same age. She is almost as good looking as me. She has been married as long as I have almost. We both have children with DS.

mcCAIN WAS A pow. We are at war, he be the man to relate!

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

[artist4perry]

Easy

McCain/Palin

Palin was born in the same state as I. She is almost my same age. She is almost as good looking as me. She has been married as long as I have almost. We both have children with DS.

mcCAIN WAS A pow. We are at war, he be the man to relate!

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Except what it takes to sacrifice for a country he believes in and loves. If you believe a POW has nothing to offer as a president, then you need to visit some. They have paid a price for this country that many would shrink from. You tell someone who was beaten and told to denounce his country that he doesn't care about what he sacrificed to serve it. He was a soldier. Who better to care for their needs? Who better to be their comander and cheif? One who has never served?

[Saint John]

Reason- The world hates us thanks to the Bush administration.

We've been hated by Muslim extremists far before Bush. Explain why the Cole was attacked, the embassies were bombed, and the WTC was bombed in 1993 before Bush was president.

We have the largest deficit ever thanks to the Bush administration (after coming into a surplus).

This is absolutely incorrect. As a raw dollar amount, yes, but in reality, no. It's like saying you have a bigger debt if you awe $1,000 on a credit card when you're making $50,000 a year than if you owe $900 on a credit card making $20,000 a year. You're focusing on the dollar amount too much rather than what the number is relative to our gross income. More scare tactics from the left, and though Bush has overspent, we're in no danger from a budget deficit point of view.

We went after the wrong country (Iraq when it should've been Afghanastan) thanks to the Bush administration(s).

We're doing well in both countries...which is why you don't hear much about it on the news.

Mcain and Palin are another 4 years of Bush's policies. Mcain's voted with Bush 90% of the time.

And Bush was right about 90% of the time. It's the other 10% that was the problem.

Why would Palin want to be known as a Barracuda.

Typically, questions are ended with question marks. And you spelled McCain's name wrong virtually every time. "Barracuda" was a high school nickname that kind of stuck.

[whirlwind]

I wonder if Journey had any objections?



Palin will probably get a lot of offers from other bands with song suggestions. I can't make up my mind if they are being principled or stupid. Music should be for everyone.

[RossValoryRocks]

Easy

McCain/Palin

Palin was born in the same state as I. She is almost my same age. She is almost as good looking as me. She has been married as long as I have almost. We both have children with DS.

mcCAIN WAS A pow. We are at war, he be the man to relate!

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Except what it takes to sacrifice for a country he believes in and loves. If you believe a POW has nothing to offer as a president, then you need to visit some. They have paid a price for this country that many would shrink from. You tell someone who was beaten and told to denounce his country that he doesn't care about what he sacrificed to serve it. He was a soldier. Who better to care for their needs? Who better to be their comander and cheif? One who has never served?

Anyone who has never served or doesn't have a loved one who has served doesn't know the sacrifices serving in the military requires. What John McCain went through was unbelievable. It makes Guantanamo look like a a 5 Star Hotel.

Does it alone make him fit to be the C-N-C? No. Does it give him a deeper insight into some, some mind you, issues that the President has to deal with.

All in all it made him a better person.

[brywool]

Easy

McCain/Palin

Palin was born in the same state as I. She is almost my same age. She is almost as good looking as me. She has been married as long as I have almost. We both have children with DS.

mcCAIN WAS A pow. We are at war, he be the man to relate!

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Except what it takes to sacrifice for a country he believes in and loves. If you believe a POW has nothing to offer as a president, then you need to visit some. They have paid a price for this country that many would shrink from. You tell someone who was beaten and told to denounce his country that he doesn't care about what he sacrificed to serve it. He was a soldier. Who better to care for their needs? Who better to be their comander and cheif? One who has never served?

I don't agree. I do agree that it was a huge sacrifice, but it in no way has any baring on it.

[Saint John]

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Oh yes it fucking does. That man's story and service to this country oozes with patriotism, selflessness and courage. Those are far better qualities than hanging out with William Ayers, Tony Rezko and Reverend Wright...a terrorist, a crook and a racist. Quit acting like a communist pig.

[brywool]

Easy

McCain/Palin

Palin was born in the same state as I. She is almost my same age. She is almost as good looking as me. She has been married as long as I have almost. We both have children with DS.

mcCAIN WAS A pow. We are at war, he be the man to relate!

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Except what it takes to sacrifice for a country he believes in and loves. If you believe a POW has nothing to offer as a president, then you need to visit some. They have paid a price for this country that many would shrink from. You tell someone who was beaten and told to denounce his country that he doesn't care about what he sacrificed to serve it. He was a soldier. Who better to care for their needs? Who better to be their comander and cheif? One who has never served?

Anyone who has never served or doesn't have a loved one who has served doesn't know the sacrifices serving in the military requires. What John McCain went through was unbelievable. It makes Guantanamo look like a a 5 Star Hotel.

Does it make him sole fit to be the C-N-C? No. Does it give him a deeper insight into some, some mind you, issues that the President has to deal with.

All in all it made him a better person.

I'm sure it did, but I don't think it has anything to do with if he will be a good president or not. That doesn't take away anything from him, but one doesn't have to do with the other. I have nothing against the military and I think what they do is amazing. I couldn't do it. But at the same time, being president isn't all about how great a warrior someone is. It takes a lot of brains (currently lacking in the present administration) and it also takes a lot of compassion.

One thing I DID like that McCain did was he said something about how he was going to fix things and actually pointed the finger at his own party. I noticed the clapping seemed a bit quieter there. I wish I could remember the actual quote. ugh.

[conversationpc]

Easy

McCain/Palin

Palin was born in the same state as I. She is almost my same age. She is almost as good looking as me. She has been married as long as I have almost. We both have children with DS.

mcCAIN WAS A pow. We are at war, he be the man to relate!

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Except what it takes to sacrifice for a country he believes in and loves. If you believe a POW has nothing to offer as a president, then you need to visit some. They have paid a price for this country that many would shrink from. You tell someone who was beaten and told to denounce his country that he doesn't care about what he sacrificed to serve it. He was a soldier. Who better to care for their needs? Who better to be their comander and cheif? One who has never served?

I don't agree. I do agree that it was a huge sacrifice, but it in no way has any baring on it.

Are you kidding? It's what molded his character as we now know it. It tells you something about how he will make decisions as a leader. To know that he refused to be allowed to be released before the others who were taken prisoner before him is, by itself, an indication of what kind of person he is.

[Wildfire]

Mcain being a POW has NOTHING to do with what he can do as a president. NOTHING.

Oh yes it fucking does. That man's story and service to this country oozes with patriotism, selflessness and courage. Those are far better qualities than hanging out with William Ayers, Tony Rezko and Reverend Wright...a terrorist, a crook and a racist.

Best post on the forum today!! WTG SJ.