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OT - Ethical Dilemma # 1 - The Cave Problem

Postby S2M » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:16 am

Imagine a group of scientists exploring sea caves. When all of a sudden there is a small tremor and water starts to fill the cave.(it is also gonna be high tide soon). One scientist, a rather portly fellow, panics and starts climbing the rope - and subsequently gets stuck in the opening to civilization. Seconds matter here, as the longer it takes to get out - the more people are certain to die.

What do you do? Kill fatso, and get out. Or leave him be, and everyone will die?

Do you sacrifice the one to save the many? Very much a Utilitarian issue here....
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Re: OT - Ethical Dilemma # 1 - The Cave Problem

Postby Rick » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:19 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:Imagine a group of scientists exploring sea caves. When all of a sudden there is a small tremor and water starts to fill the cave.(it is also gonna be high tide soon). One scientist, a rather portly fellow, panics and starts climbing the rope - and subsequently gets stuck in the opening to civilization. Seconds matter here, as the longer it takes to get out - the more people are certain to die.

What do you do? Kill fatso, and get out. Or leave him be, and everyone will die?

Do you sacrifice the one to save the many? Very much a Utilitarian issue here....


Kill, kill, kill the fat man. :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:27 am

Can we have Jeffry Dahmer there and a bottle of BBQ sauce? I am just askin! :wink: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: OT - Ethical Dilemma # 1 - The Cave Problem

Postby conversationpc » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:29 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:Imagine a group of scientists exploring sea caves. When all of a sudden there is a small tremor and water starts to fill the cave.(it is also gonna be high tide soon). One scientist, a rather portly fellow, panics and starts climbing the rope - and subsequently gets stuck in the opening to civilization. Seconds matter here, as the longer it takes to get out - the more people are certain to die.

What do you do? Kill fatso, and get out. Or leave him be, and everyone will die?

Do you sacrifice the one to save the many? Very much a Utilitarian issue here....


You don't purposely kill the guy but you try to get him out first and save everyone.
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:31 am

O.K. in all seriousness. If you kill the man his body will still plug the whole. You have to dig him out. If you are in a cave use bat guano to make him slick and slide him out! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Don » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:38 am

If there are no vice grips available, have some one go up behind him and bite down real hard on his little toe, That will get his ass through that fucking hole.

I was in a situation like this where I used the vice grips on the person so I know that it will work.
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:50 am

Gunbot wrote:If there are no vice grips available, have some one go up behind him and bite down real hard on his little toe, That will get his ass through that fucking hole.

I was in a situation like this where I used the vice grips on the person so I know that it will work.

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Postby stevew2 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:01 am

Grab his nuts, pull him down use his head to as a lauching point to push off of
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:29 am

As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
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Postby journey062393 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:35 am

Well if fatty goes out head first, then wouldnt he still be able to breathe? Sure his ass would drown but so would everyone else. Tell him there's some Krispy Kreme's waiting for him........he'll get out!!!
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:19 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:22 pm

stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:26 pm

Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:32 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
i know im showing my age, but that is my favorite show of all time


Remember Tribbles? :lol:

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:34 pm

stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Actually it was the second movie...they got him back at the end of the 3rd movie.

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Postby Don » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:49 pm

Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
i know im showing my age, but that is my favorite show of all time


Remember Tribbles? :lol:

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I bet Richard Gere does.
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:50 pm

Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
i know im showing my age, but that is my favorite show of all time


Remember Tribbles? :lol:

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I bet Richard Gere does.


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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:07 pm

Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
i know im showing my age, but that is my favorite show of all time


Remember Tribbles? :lol:

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Wasn't the actual title "Trouble with Tribbles?" That was one of my favorite episodes! Yes, I am of the age to remember! LOL! That and twilight zone! Great stuff! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Don » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:10 pm

Harcourt Fenton “Harry” Mudd :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:11 pm

Gunbot wrote:Harcourt Fenton “Harry” Mudd :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes! He was a con and a half! :lol:
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:13 pm

Gunbot wrote:Harcourt Fenton “Harry” Mudd :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:18 pm

Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Harcourt Fenton “Harry” Mudd :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Postby Loneman1 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:25 pm

Speaking of Spock, I think it was Yulog that had an awesome avatar of Spock riding a bike with Kirk's head as the wheels. :lol: I know I saved it someplace but I can't find it right now.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:16 pm

BACK TO THE CAVE DILEMA...

Obviously the hole was big enough for the man to fit in, or he wouldn't have made it in. A couple of people could help him get through the hole, and they all get out alive! All this talk about "Holes" is gettin me worked up! :shock: :lol:
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Postby Granny » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:29 am

Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:As usual Star Trek provides the answer: The needs of the many are outweighed by the needs of the few, or the one.
iknow. Thats how Spook died in the third movie. I thought I was goin to die. I still have problems to this day from that. Then he came back from the "Genesis project" awesome


Spook always comes back!! Live long and prosper!! :lol:
i know im showing my age, but that is my favorite show of all time


Remember Tribbles? :lol:

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That episode was called "The trouble with Tribbles"...I have seen every episode of Star Trek at least 15 times up to and including the last incarnation...best show ever on TV Sci-fi...except the Stargate series which is fantastic...
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Postby Deb » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:45 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:Image


Is that Paul Stanley? :shock:
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Postby yulog » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:30 am

Loneman1 wrote:Speaking of Spock, I think it was Yulog that had an awesome avatar of Spock riding a bike with Kirk's head as the wheels. :lol: I know I saved it someplace but I can't find it right now.



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Postby artist4perry » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:46 am

yulog wrote:
Loneman1 wrote:Speaking of Spock, I think it was Yulog that had an awesome avatar of Spock riding a bike with Kirk's head as the wheels. :lol: I know I saved it someplace but I can't find it right now.



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Postby artist4perry » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:47 am

Deb wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Image


Is that Paul Stanley? :shock:

That is Paul Stanley! Maybe he can be Spock in the future! LOL!
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