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[annie89509]

I love that they used the songs by Journey & Heart at the convention. I don't think SP's comments were inappropriate. I don't believe that by saying "the song isn't political" he was saying that he disproved of the RNC. It seems to me that he was just trying to make it clear that he wasn't endorsing the use of the song for the RNC.

I think this is much adieu about nothing.

Right, agree with donnap 100%. Where in SP's statement is he saying he disapproves of the Republicans playing his song? He just wanted to set the record straight that he is not "endorsing" 1 party over another -- in case anyone were to misconstrue hearing that song playing at the RNC. What is wrong with that?

One time, in a past year, SP was asked who he was going to vote for, and his reply was ... it is a private decision, that's why you walk in a voting booth and pull the curtain behind you .... something in those kind of words. He also has said he did not believe in celebrities going out and using their fame/name for endorsements -- with the exception of charitable causes.

There is a big difference between SP's one-sentence blurp on FA and the Wilson sisters' blatant knockdown of the Republicans' ideology and "their beliefs." But, as usual, people want to over-react and jump on this and that. Par for the course around here, I guess.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If, I remember right Steve Perry was'nt to happy about Hillary doing that. In an interview about that spoof he said something in the manner of ( it was ok, but it would have been better if she had asked permission first) not the exact wording but I'm sure that interview can be found again.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/33354

[artist4perry]

I love that they used the songs by Journey & Heart at the convention. I don't think SP's comments were inappropriate. I don't believe that by saying "the song isn't political" he was saying that he disproved of the RNC. It seems to me that he was just trying to make it clear that he wasn't endorsing the use of the song for the RNC.

I think this is much adieu about nothing.

Right, agree with donnap 100%. Where in SP's statement is he saying he disapproves of the Republicans playing his song? He just wanted to set the record straight that he is not "endorsing" 1 party over another -- in case anyone were to misconstrue hearing that song playing at the RNC. What is wrong with that?

One time, in a past year, SP was asked who he was going to vote for, and his reply was ... it is a private decision, that's why you walk in a voting booth and pull the curtain behind you .... something in those kind of words. He also has said he did not believe in celebrities going out and using their fame/name for endorsements -- with the exception of charitable causes.

There is a big difference between SP's one-sentence blurp on FA and the Wilson sisters' blatant knockdown of the Republicans' ideology and "their beliefs." But, as usual, people want to over-react and jump on this and that. Par for the course around here, I guess.

Agreed.
I think Steve handled it eloquently, and with style. He wasn't being ugly, rude, or insulting. He just made a simple statement, an artist request for respect for his work. Some have said some pretty ugly things about him, and for what? Because he asked that it not be used in a political way? He did not run either party down. Do some of you really think that music and art should be yours to do with as you wish? Spend the time, love, and effort it takes to craft something. Then have someone use it in a manner you never wanted it used for. He has the right to ask for it not to be used. And I think he handled it in a mature way.

[*Laura]

I am glad that Steve is vocal about this. After all, he co-wrote the song and he knows exactly how it should be perceived by the listeners. Any political bullshit associated with it does nothing but harm the original message of the song.

I noticed that whenever a song is used by a political party, there are people who automatically think that the singer/band is embracing that party's political views. That's why the authors of the song should have a say in the way their work is used.

I don't believe this is a matter of royalties and such...It's a similar situation with the Sopranos episode. Steve wanted to know the circumstances in which the song will be used, and only after he was told in detail, he gave his permission.I guess you all remember that.

[Don]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

[Don]

I also don't have a problem with him speaking out about the situation. That's great that he expressed his opinion. Now what about those demos?

[Lora]

Where in SP's statement is he saying he disapproves of the Republicans playing his song? He just wanted to set the record straight that he is not "endorsing" 1 party over another -- in case anyone were to misconstrue hearing that song playing at the RNC. What is wrong with that?

One time, in a past year, SP was asked who he was going to vote for, and his reply was ... it is a private decision, that's why you walk in a voting booth and pull the curtain behind you .... something in those kind of words. He also has said he did not believe in celebrities going out and using their fame/name for endorsements -- with the exception of charitable causes.

There is a big difference between SP's one-sentence blurp on FA and the Wilson sisters' blatant knockdown of the Republicans' ideology and "their beliefs." But, as usual, people want to over-react and jump on this and that. Par for the course around here, I guess.

It is a simple statement letting the public know that just because they hear a candidate, any candidate from any party, playing the music of an artist it does not mean that artist is endorsing them. Unfortunately, that is what many would assume. And yes, the usual cast of characters here want to make something else out of it. Quite predictable. Yawn.

[*Laura]

But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right.

If it's a private get together,sure. If you're running for the White House and billions of people are watching you,then you might want to ask all the permissions to USE it in a public situation of that kind.

In a state prison, I dunno. Just don't play "Open Arms". Bubba might get the wrong message. kiddiiiiing

[Don]

But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right.

If it's a private get together,sure. If you're running for the White House and billions of people are watching you,then you might want to ask all the permissions to USE it in a public situation of that kind.

In a state prison, I dunno. Just don't play "Open Arms". Bubba might get the wrong message. kiddiiiiing

Right, if I am not promoting a product or person with that song being a theme, then it's fine. The thread started out about people being upset the song was played at the RNC. It wasn't about SP but somehow got turned that way. I don't care if it was played at the DNC or RNC and whether it's music by SP, Culture club, or Sinatra, nothing was done illegally as some would like to believe.

[artist4perry]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

Do you think that any artist with a shread of decency wants their music played at a televised KKK meeting? People would align the artist with the message.

[Don]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

Do you think that any artist with a shread of decency wants their music played at a televised KKK meeting? People would align the artist with the message.

Of course not and they should speak out about it BUT if I paid the Ascap fees and the song is NOT being used as the specific theme to promote the KKK, then I would be within my rights.
Look, someone mentioned sueing the RNC and I was making the rebuttal concerning that. Nothing to do with SP or Heart, just explaining how the system works.

[artist4perry]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

Do you think that any artist with a shread of decency wants their music played at a televised KKK meeting? People would align the artist with the message.

Of course not and they should speak out about it BUT if I paid the Ascap fees and the song is NOT being used as the specific theme to promote the KKK, then I would be within my rights.
Look, someone mentioned sueing the RNC and I was making the rebuttal concerning that. Nothing to do with SP or Heart, just explaining how the system works.

Gunbot, you are a nice person to talk to. I was not trying to make you feel that you meant that the KKK televised meating would be O.K. I know you didn't. I am sure the system does little to protect an artists rights, I am not arguing this, I am just stating that people DO align an artist with a televised message. I am for Palin, but I think it would have been nice if they had requested to use it, in respect for the artists.

[annie89509]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

Do you think that any artist with a shread of decency wants their music played at a televised KKK meeting? People would align the artist with the message.

Of course not and they should speak out about it BUT if I paid the Ascap fees and the song is NOT being used as the specific theme to promote the KKK, then I would be within my rights.
Look, someone mentioned sueing the RNC and I was making the rebuttal concerning that. Nothing to do with SP or Heart, just explaining how the system works.

GB, not sure who made it, but the sueing remark was a joke, I'm sure.

[Don]

I have no problem with that (requesting permission). But when copyright and other legal issues were brought up my purpose was to make it clear that nothing was done illegally. It may have been in jest but since there are a few threads concerning music at the conventions, clarifying the rules regarding music use seemed like a good idea.

[artist4perry]

I have no problem with that (requesting permission). But when copyright and other legal issues were brought up my purpose was to make it clear that nothing was done illegally.

Understood!

[perryfaithful]

]

It is a simple statement letting the public know that just because they hear a candidate, any candidate from any party, playing the music of an artist it does not mean that artist is endorsing them. Unfortunately, that is what many would assume. And yes, the usual cast of characters here want to make something else out of it. Quite predictable. Yawn.

Once Lora has spoken, I can go home. The voice of reason and sensibility, always!

Perry or no Perry

[EightyRock]

Geez, some people aren't getting that Perry thinks the song was written about SOMETHING OTHER than some candidate's political agenda and he commented to make it clear that he wasn't asked. People speculated whether he was selling out by giving permission to politicians to use the song. Obviously, he wanted to make it clear that if anybody gave permission, it wasn't him. WTF is the problem with THAT? Nothing. I bet he knows if it were only up to Schon and Cain, every one of their songs would be pimped out on a daily basis for a dollar bill.

[strangegrey]

I noticed that whenever a song is used by a political party, there are people who automatically think that the singer/band is embracing that party's political views. That's why the authors of the song should have a say in the way their work is used.

Laura, I understand your point and respect it...but legally, the artist doesn't have that much say in it in this context. And lets be real here. Some artists have used this "dont use my song" complaint as a cheap conduit to endorse a candidate, or worse...take a stab at one. Heart, Mellencamp (not like I exected anything less from this jerk) and others have done this. My point is that while Steve Perry didn't actually do this, given the fact that Steve Perry and others like-artists know exactly how their songs can and can't be used....this is an effort to speak up and politicize the scenario while *appearing* neutral. If he can't change the scenario, to what end is he speaking up?

I don't believe this is a matter of royalties and such...It's a similar situation with the Sopranos episode. Steve wanted to know the circumstances in which the song will be used, and only after he was told in detail, he gave his permission.I guess you all remember that.

The Sopranos situation is VERY different, because the song was to be reproduced in another copyrighted work for broadcast and dvd reproduction. David Chase had to solicit Perry and Cain for permission to use DSB under that scenario. However, to use DSB on the PA system at a political rally, a hockey game or a high school dance....is not within Perry or Cain's control.


Like I said, the point I tried to make is that, if they can not control it....to what end do some of these artists speak up? If it's to make a political statement (even if they dont come out and say it) thats when I feel it's necessary to jump on them....

[Wildfire]

However, to use DSB on the PA system at a political rally, a hockey game or a high school dance....is not within Perry or Cain's control.


Like I said, the point I tried to make is that, if they can not control it....to what end do some of these artists speak up? If it's to make a political statement (even if they dont come out and say it) thats when I feel it's necessary to jump on them....

I guess Steve just didn't want us to think he' s a Rep. I knew that since 2004 when he donated to Kerry's campaign.

[Onestepper]

I noticed that whenever a song is used by a political party, there are people who automatically think that the singer/band is embracing that party's political views. That's why the authors of the song should have a say in the way their work is used.

Laura, I understand your point and respect it...but legally, the artist doesn't have that much say in it in this context. And lets be real here. Some artists have used this "dont use my song" complaint as a cheap conduit to endorse a candidate, or worse...take a stab at one. Heart, Mellencamp (not like I exected anything less from this jerk) and others have done this. My point is that while Steve Perry didn't actually do this, given the fact that Steve Perry and others like-artists know exactly how their songs can and can't be used....this is an effort to speak up and politicize the scenario while *appearing* neutral. If he can't change the scenario, to what end is he speaking up?

I don't believe this is a matter of royalties and such...It's a similar situation with the Sopranos episode. Steve wanted to know the circumstances in which the song will be used, and only after he was told in detail, he gave his permission.I guess you all remember that.

The Sopranos situation is VERY different, because the song was to be reproduced in another copyrighted work for broadcast and dvd reproduction. David Chase had to solicit Perry and Cain for permission to use DSB under that scenario. However, to use DSB on the PA system at a political rally, a hockey game or a high school dance....is not within Perry or Cain's control.


Like I said, the point I tried to make is that, if they can not control it....to what end do some of these artists speak up? If it's to make a political statement (even if they dont come out and say it) thats when I feel it's necessary to jump on them....

I guess the term is passive aggressive. And it's not the first time we've seen it from him.

[annpea]

I also don't have a problem with him speaking out about the situation. That's great that he expressed his opinion. Now what about those demos?

He's working on the demos as we speak, Just got off the phone with him; he told me to tell you " just hold on"j/k

[Rick]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

I'd really like to suggest that you withdraw from the KKK. They're a buncha racist assholes that want to play Open Arms at every rally.

[*Laura]

Laura, I understand your point and respect it...but legally, the artist doesn't have that much say in it in this context.

Was this rally a private party? I guess not. Was it televised? Broadcasted in any shape or form? I bet it was. Is it part of an official campaign?
Just like in the Sopranos, the usage of the song required permission from the artists. Using DSB on a PA system in a public place is considered "public reproduction of the work".
I'm telling you from experience. I've worked on political campaigns with my radio job,and whenever a political party wanted to use a certain song for their public meetings/rallys/spechees/ or whatever included an audience, a PA and broadcasting (radio or TV) the artists had to be asked for permission.

What Journey can't control is anything private where their songs are played. No need to control that either, because it doesn't fall under the copyright law anyway. Anything else that goes on in the public eye, in public circumstances is their business and should be able to control it. Legally.

[Don]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

I'd really like to suggest that you withdraw from the KKK. They're a buncha racist assholes that want to play Open Arms at every rally.

The Klan of the Krusty Krab is nothing more than a club that promotes good clean sex anywhere upon the Seven Seas. “Cool change” is our official theme song. We welcome all to come and join us, Friga's and sw2's alike, it doesn't matter. We love everybody.

[Sarah]

I noticed that whenever a song is used by a political party, there are people who automatically think that the singer/band is embracing that party's political views. That's why the authors of the song should have a say in the way their work is used.

Laura, I understand your point and respect it...but legally, the artist doesn't have that much say in it in this context. And lets be real here. Some artists have used this "dont use my song" complaint as a cheap conduit to endorse a candidate, or worse...take a stab at one. Heart, Mellencamp (not like I exected anything less from this jerk) and others have done this. My point is that while Steve Perry didn't actually do this, given the fact that Steve Perry and others like-artists know exactly how their songs can and can't be used....this is an effort to speak up and politicize the scenario while *appearing* neutral. If he can't change the scenario, to what end is he speaking up?

I don't believe this is a matter of royalties and such...It's a similar situation with the Sopranos episode. Steve wanted to know the circumstances in which the song will be used, and only after he was told in detail, he gave his permission.I guess you all remember that.

The Sopranos situation is VERY different, because the song was to be reproduced in another copyrighted work for broadcast and dvd reproduction. David Chase had to solicit Perry and Cain for permission to use DSB under that scenario. However, to use DSB on the PA system at a political rally, a hockey game or a high school dance....is not within Perry or Cain's control.


Like I said, the point I tried to make is that, if they can not control it....to what end do some of these artists speak up? If it's to make a political statement (even if they dont come out and say it) thats when I feel it's necessary to jump on them....

I wonder if you would be just as angry about this if he had disapproved of the Democrats using Journey music... or if you would applaud him in that case...

[SteveForever]

Cindy McCain had on a Michael Kors watch during her speech, wonder if he's notified everyone he
doesn't endorse the party?
They were using Macs on the podium at one point, wonder if that company has made a statement?
its ridiculous...

[Matthew]

If it's to make a political statement (even if they dont come out and say it) thats when I feel it's necessary to jump on them....

So what if it was a political statement? Why do we need to 'jump' on the guy because he doesn't want to be associated with the Republican Party?

[Matthew]

Cindy McCain had on a Michael Kors watch during her speech, wonder if he's notified everyone he
doesn't endorse the party?
They were using Macs on the podium at one point, wonder if that company has made a statement?
its ridiculous...

They weren't using the Macs or Michael Kors watches specifically to rally the troops though, were they?

[SteveForever]

Cindy McCain had on a Michael Kors watch during her speech, wonder if he's notified everyone he
doesn't endorse the party?
They were using Macs on the podium at one point, wonder if that company has made a statement?
its ridiculous...

They weren't using the Macs or Michael Kors watches specifically to rally the troops though, were they?

I don't get it, they only want Dems. buying and using their music? its really rude to make the statement at all, they should have just
let it lie....they just turn people off and look shallow when they pull stuff like that and NO ONE is a bigger fan of Steve Perry than
Steveforever, no one!

[Arianddu]

So if I buy an album, am I really renting it? The ASCAP/BMI fees were paid. Artists understand this is how it works. I don't care who Perry votes for. But if I'm playing his music at a KKK get together or at the state prison, It's my right. I purchased it. Is he gonna refund my money and take the music back? Of course not.

I'd really like to suggest that you withdraw from the KKK. They're a buncha racist assholes that want to play Open Arms at every rally.

I would have thought "Trial By Fire" was more their tune.