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[Tito]

Oops.....

September 5, 2008

Steve cannot speak for the current members of Journey but we have been told that Steve Perry as a Co-Writer and Singer was never contacted for permission to use the performance of "Don't Stop Believin" at the RNC.

As far as he is concerned, this song and his performance have NO political party affiliation.

Lora & Cyndy

Thanks, Ladies....happy Fried Day...

He did not have to mention this. The song was played so far after the fact - the speech,etc. that everyone knew it was not a theme song. It was played after Celebration and an Earth, Wind, and Fire song. It was played in the arena and I only heard it on one station during an on floor interview (CNN?), you could not hear it on the other stations. I think it goes without saying, most people know a song being played at an event is not an endorsement. Ironically, coming out like Heart and Perry against the use is a political endorsement in a way. Funny thing is, no one cares about Perry's comments. It figures a guy who hasn't worked in 20 years would have democratic leanings.

[Michigan Girl]

Oops.....

September 5, 2008

Steve cannot speak for the current members of Journey but we have been told that Steve Perry as a Co-Writer and Singer was never contacted for permission to use the performance of "Don't Stop Believin" at the RNC.

As far as he is concerned, this song and his performance have NO political party affiliation.

Lora & Cyndy

Thanks, Ladies....happy Fried Day...

He did not have to mention this. The song was played so far after the fact - the speech,etc. that everyone knew it was not a theme song. It was played after Celebration and an Earth, Wind, and Fire song. It was played in the arena and I only heard it on one station during an on floor interview (CNN?), you could not hear it on the other station. I think it goes without saying, most people know a song being played at an event is not an endorsement. Ironically, coming out like Heart and Perry against the use is a political endorsement in a way. Funny thing is, no one cares about Perry's comments. It figures a guy who hasn't worked in 20 years would have democratic leanings.

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[CatEyes]

Laura, let me follow up, because I decided to do some research on this.

It is my *researched* understanding that the McCain campaign has paid for a venue-use ASCAP licence for the use of music as background music at the campaign. It's a blanket license that allows the PA broadcaster to play the music on the PA, irrespective of any other considerations. The networks (who cover this event) have similar paid licenses.

Sorry, there's *nothing* these whiny, bitchy, over-paid (and in heart's case, over-fed) artists can do about it.



Unless McCain or other politicians continue to use music to create an 'association' with the music....the artist has NO legal leg to stand on....and that's the reason why NONE of them have either sued or successfully sued (Jacksone Browne's lawyers must be dumb or out of work and in need of billable hours). To prove such an 'association' requires FAR more than one playing of the song...and it's quite difficult to prove based on 1-3 seperate playings.


Sorry, Perry, the Wilson pakaderms, Van Halen, Jackson Browne and that useless cock-stain John Mellencamp are out of luck here...

Frank, ya know I love ya dude but fuck!!!

Not one fucking person (including Perry) claimed the fee was not paid.
Not one fucking person (including Perry) threatened a cease and desist.

Wa-a-a-a-a-ay back a long time ago when times not only were-achanging, but also way more political and violent than they are today, in an interview (no I have no intention of finding it - if anyone wants it they can do their own research) Neal and Perry were asked why they did not write more political songs as many artists were doing at the time. And they stated that people had enough of politics at home on their tvs everynight. - they came to see Journey to be entertained, not preached to.

The venue was allowed to use the song.

Perry is allowed his opinion which appears to be consistant with his original one.

Free speech (which seems to me to be a lot of what the political process is about)- means the other side gets to speak too.

Cat

[Tito]

How do you know? Jeez, Relax.....Watch this, it'll mellow you out!!! >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Incd4tO2NB0

He's got moves!

[Tito]

Laura, let me follow up, because I decided to do some research on this.

It is my *researched* understanding that the McCain campaign has paid for a venue-use ASCAP licence for the use of music as background music at the campaign. It's a blanket license that allows the PA broadcaster to play the music on the PA, irrespective of any other considerations. The networks (who cover this event) have similar paid licenses.

Sorry, there's *nothing* these whiny, bitchy, over-paid (and in heart's case, over-fed) artists can do about it.



Unless McCain or other politicians continue to use music to create an 'association' with the music....the artist has NO legal leg to stand on....and that's the reason why NONE of them have either sued or successfully sued (Jacksone Browne's lawyers must be dumb or out of work and in need of billable hours). To prove such an 'association' requires FAR more than one playing of the song...and it's quite difficult to prove based on 1-3 seperate playings.


Sorry, Perry, the Wilson pakaderms, Van Halen, Jackson Browne and that useless cock-stain John Mellencamp are out of luck here...

Frank, ya know I love ya dude but fuck!!!

Not one fucking person (including Perry) claimed the fee was not paid.
Not one fucking person (including Perry) threatened a cease and desist.

Wa-a-a-a-a-ay back a long time ago when times not only were-achanging, but also way more political and violent than they are today, in an interview (no I have no intention of finding it - if anyone wants it they can do their own research) Neal and Perry were asked why they did not write more political songs as many artists were doing at the time. And they stated that people had enough of politics at home on their tvs everynight. - they came to see Journey to be entertained, not preached to.

The venue was allowed to use the song.

Perry is allowed his opinion which appears to be consistant with his original one.

Free speech (which seems to me to be a lot of what the political process is about)- means the other side gets to speak too.

Cat

I wished more people were like that and I appreciate that. He did not have to comment on it though. If it was in the Baracuda spot, I could maybe see it.

[strangegrey]

Free speech (which seems to me to be a lot of what the political process is about)- means the other side gets to speak too.

All conceeded points, cat. But again, missing the point I'm making here. Freedom of speech is *not* free. We pay for everything we say....

In this particular case, I lose respect for Perry, in his obvious effort to politicize this. and lose far more for the WIlson pakaderms, van halen, jackson browne, and John mellencamp.

The fact remains that they can not effect true change regarding this, unless they have a case of suing for endorsement...and none of the artists have a shred of a case regarding that.

so this pointless exercise of speaking up, only angers 50% of their fanbase. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

[Saint John]

John mellencamp.

C'mon dude, the other name you penned for him was far better!

[mistiejourney]

Well, least he didn't send a D&C letter. Good.

If he pulled that shit, I would have loosed the powder stores and brought out the tripple cannons on the motherfucker.
I'm so sick of artists trying to politicize their music in this election.

However, having said that, by making a statement at all, he actually has...so fuck him and his size 23 nose. Nostril-face would have been far better just shutting the fuck up and ignoring it. He would have retained his respect instead of trying to politicize music that SHOULDNT be politicized.

I never thought that having a song at either convention was a bad thing. Millions of folks heard "Barracuda" at the RNC, the announcers were saying the name of the song and who sang it (for the youngsters who didn't know! LOL! ).

In my book, this counts as publicity and I, personally, don't automatically think "Oh gee, "Don't Stop Believin'" is playing at a Republican/Democratic/Pro life/Pro Choice benefit, ergo Jon, Neal, Dean, Fleishman, Rolie, Steve Augeri, Steve Smith, Ross, Ansley Dunbar or Arnel are all Republicans/Democrats/Prolife/Prochoice advocates."

Does that make sense? Sometimes maybe it's just better to not call attention to it and call it "publicity", IMO.

[Playitloudforme]

This announcement didn't go out over CNN, correct? Just Fan Asylum. All he was doing was a clarification to the fans that go to Fan Asylum for Perry news that he personally didn't endorse the use of the song. No more no less. Heart had the news all over the place. I think that's the difference here. I didn't hear or read anything anywhere else.

[bluejeangirl76]

Does that make sense? Sometimes maybe it's just better to not call attention to it and call it "publicity", IMO.

I'm with you. Personally I would never have assumed an affiliation, but when you think about it, threads and discussions and media mentions and all the other shit popping up all over the internet pointing it out can't be helping and maybe forces the artist to feel like they have to say something. He's not the 1st one to have ever had an issue about something being used, and he won't be the last.

The most ridiculous part about it, to me, is that its JUST a song. Does it even need to be discussed all over the world just because it's played somewhere? If we all posted a topic everytime we heard Journey at the gas station or in the background on a tv show, can you imagine? But that's what happens, and this time, its become a big deal. If the RNC paid the ASCAP license fee, they can play it. If Steve doesn't want to be associated with it, he can say so. But if it weren't for so much attention being called to it all over the place, maybe he wouldn't feel the need to say so?

[bluejeangirl76]

This announcement didn't go out over CNN, correct? Just Fan Asylum. All he was doing was a clarification to the fans that go to Fan Asylum for Perry news that he personally didn't endorse the use of the song. No more no less. Heart had the news all over the place. I think that's the difference here. I didn't hear or read anything anywhere else.

That's a really really good point, actually.

[artist4perry]

Well, least he didn't send a D&C letter. Good.

If he pulled that shit, I would have loosed the powder stores and brought out the tripple cannons on the motherfucker.
I'm so sick of artists trying to politicize their music in this election.

However, having said that, by making a statement at all, he actually has...so fuck him and his size 23 nose. Nostril-face would have been far better just shutting the fuck up and ignoring it. He would have retained his respect instead of trying to politicize music that SHOULDNT be politicized.

I never thought that having a song at either convention was a bad thing. Millions of folks heard "Barracuda" at the RNC, the announcers were saying the name of the song and who sang it (for the youngsters who didn't know! LOL! ).

In my book, this counts as publicity and I, personally, don't automatically think "Oh gee, "Don't Stop Believin'" is playing at a Republican/Democratic/Pro life/Pro Choice benefit, ergo Jon, Neal, Dean, Fleishman, Rolie, Steve Augeri, Steve Smith, Ross, Ansley Dunbar or Arnel are all Republicans/Democrats/Prolife/Prochoice advocates."

Does that make sense? Sometimes maybe it's just better to not call attention to it and call it "publicity", IMO.

Hi Stranger! Good to hear from you again!

[Jeremey]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

[cyclonus5150]

They also played Steve's "Stand Up" at one point. I was watching the Today show one morning last week and they were reporting from the convention. There was a group of people talking about the "Stand Up to Cancer" campaign and you could hear Steve's song playing over the PA.

[Arianddu]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Yup - and he said he didn't like his music being linked to politics then too (someone posted a link to the article about it earlier in the thread somewhere)

[Saint John]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Yup - and he said he didn't like his music being linked to politics then too (someone posted a link to the article about it earlier in the thread somewhere)

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently bitching. Considering he's only one third of the songwriting team, and Jon Cain penned most of the song anyway, why not just get a hold of the other 2 guys and ask them how they want to handle it? Oh wait, I forgot that he can't face them. Nevermind.

[Tito]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Yup - and he said he didn't like his music being linked to politics then too (someone posted a link to the article about it earlier in the thread somewhere)

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently bitching. Considering he's only one third of the songwriting team, and Jon Cain penned most of the song anyway, why not just get a hold of the other 2 guys and ask them how they want to handle it? Oh wait, I forgot that he can't face them. Nevermind.

Jon Cain's Windy City Breakdown blows FTLOSM and the Alien Project b.s. away.

[Saint John]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Yup - and he said he didn't like his music being linked to politics then too (someone posted a link to the article about it earlier in the thread somewhere)

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently bitching. Considering he's only one third of the songwriting team, and Jon Cain penned most of the song anyway, why not just get a hold of the other 2 guys and ask them how they want to handle it? Oh wait, I forgot that he can't face them. Nevermind.

Jon Cain's Windy City Breakdown blows FTLOSM and the Alien Project b.s. away.

None of those 3 albums set the bar too high. I would have to pick WCB if I absolutely had to listen to one of the three. Personally, I'd like to stick to my current listening habit regarding those 3 works...which is none of them.

[strangegrey]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Probably not....and the lack of such a statement is proof positive of Steve Perry's intent to politicize this, while appearing not to. I rest my case...

[SteveForever]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Probably not....and the lack of such a statement is proof positive of Steve Perry's intent to politicize this, while appearing not to. I rest my case...

I agree, he should have just kept his piehole shut...

[walkslikealady]

You numbnuts just don't get it! If you have the right to complain here, he has the right to complain there...even if he wasn't complaining IMO.

[strangegrey]

Big difference. I didn't write part of the song, nor was I *ever* a celebrity. My statements don't have the impact and the implications his do.

I can complain all I want. He has to chose his words more carefully. Sorry, thems the breaks. Sucks to be famous and held to a higher standard and all...but that's the way it goes.


He should consider himself lucky. If he beats his wife, gets a DWI or accidentally kills someone all hopped up on crack....he might get community service instead of jail...just for being Steve Perry.

[bluejeangirl76]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Probably not....and the lack of such a statement is proof positive of Steve Perry's intent to politicize this, while appearing not to. I rest my case...

He was questioned about it at the time... I'm paraphrasing, but his answer was that music shouldn't be hijacked like that in any case (political or otherwise) and that basically he didn't get why she needed to do it, nor did he know about it until the last minute.

If you absolutely need the exact quote I can probably get it, but that was the basic idea. He didn't seem to really approve of that either, but he didn't really "complain" either (that I'm aware of).

[Saint John]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Probably not....and the lack of such a statement is proof positive of Steve Perry's intent to politicize this, while appearing not to. I rest my case...

He was questioned about it at the time... I'm paraphrasing, but his answer was that music shouldn't be hijacked like that in any case (political or otherwise) and that basically he didn't get why she needed to do it, nor did he know about it until the last minute.

If you absolutely need the exact quote I can probably get it, but that was the basic idea. He didn't seem to really approve of that either, but he didn't really "complain" either (that I'm aware of).

TNC originally posted this link:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/33354

[bluejeangirl76]

TNC originally posted this link:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/33354

Well, hell. Then there ya go, Jeremey and Frankles.
That's what got said. I'll be in my office if ya need anything else.

[Jeremey]

TNC originally posted this link:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/33354

Awesome....I also happen to know that the band was taken by surprise when they heard the song being used in the commercial. I actually believe permission was given after the fact.

[Onestepper]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Yup - and he said he didn't like his music being linked to politics then too (someone posted a link to the article about it earlier in the thread somewhere)

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently bitching. Considering he's only one third of the songwriting team, and Jon Cain penned most of the song anyway, why not just get a hold of the other 2 guys and ask them how they want to handle it? Oh wait, I forgot that he can't face them. Nevermind.

Been meaning to mention that same point. He is 1/3 of the writing team. I'm gonna guess the other 2 are a bit too busy to be worried about stuff that they can't control. Maybe Steve's got much more time than he thought he would while 'working on some stuff..'

[Michigan Girl]

Was any announcement made to the same effect when the Clinton campaign did their "Sopranos" spoof with DSB?

Yup - and he said he didn't like his music being linked to politics then too (someone posted a link to the article about it earlier in the thread somewhere)

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently bitching. Considering he's only one third of the songwriting team, and Jon Cain penned most of the song anyway, why not just get a hold of the other 2 guys and ask them how they want to handle it? Oh wait, I forgot that he can't face them. Nevermind.

Been meaning to mention that same point. He is 1/3 of the writing team. I'm gonna guess the other 2 are a bit too busy to be worried about stuff that they can't control. Maybe Steve's got much more time than he thought he would while 'working on some stuff..'

Could be and perhaps he was asked ....

[annpea]

I could see the need for a statement had the song been played during the immediate post-convention hoopla, but the fact that is was pretty much buried in the background as announcers critiqued the speech makes me believe that no statement would have been the best statement. And does this guy honestly believe that anyone actually goes and reads fucking Fan Asylum? Just because the site gets 8 million hits a day doesn't mean shit. Steve needs to realize that it's the same 30-40 people wearing Jordache Jeans and Member's Only jackets refreshing the site every 4 fucking seconds in 20 hour shifts.

What, do you have against SP; did he kill your dog or rob your house I would really like to know? Maybe getting it out would help you overcome this unreasonable hatred of the man.

[Ftloperry]

Most people when they hear a song played at something as important as the RNC would assume that singer or group of the song either approved of the song to be played or endorsed that party. Steve had every right to make the statement he did with FA. I am sure he didn't want people to think because the song was played that he approved of it or endorsed the Republican party. Nothing wrong with that!