OT: Palin's Church Advocates "Praying Gay Away"

[Enigma869]

Well Obama took shit for his religious affilation and his insane pastor. I think it's time Puppet Palin be under the same scrutiny. Also, before some of you yahoo Palin suckups come out of the woodwork telling me how great Sarah Lee is...save it! I like her as much as I like Obama! I'm sure the conservative yahoos agree with her church's sentiment, but I find it to be ridiculous! Just what The White House needs...a religous zealot!

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/p ... ion/165471

Palin's Church Promotes Gay Conversion
AP
Alaska (Sept. 8th) - Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.
Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice.

She is staunchly anti-abortion (opposing exceptions for rape and incest), and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.
Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization, is conducting the Love Won Out Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla.
Palin, campaigning with McCain in the Midwest on Friday, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called "pray away the gay" movement. Larry Kroon, senior pastor at Palin's church, was not available to discuss the matter Friday, said a church worker who declined to give her name.
Gay activists in Alaska said Palin has not worked actively against their interests, but early in her administration she supported a bill to overrule a court decision to block state benefits for gay partners of public employees.

At the time, less than one-half of 1 percent of state employees had applied for the benefits, which were ordered by a 2005 ruling by the Alaska Supreme Court.
Palin reversed her position and vetoed the bill after the state attorney general said it was unconstitutional.
But her reluctant support didn't win fans among Alaska's gay population, said Scott Turner, a gay activist in Anchorage.
"Less than 1 percent of state employees would even apply for benefits, so why make a big deal out of such a small number?" he said.
"I think gay Republicans are going to run away" if Palin supports efforts like the prayers to convert gays, said Wayne Besen, founder of the New York-based Truth Wins Out, a gay rights advocacy group. Besen called on Palin to publicly express her views now that she's a vice presidential nominee.
"People are looking at Sarah Palin as someone who might feasibly be in the White House," he said.


John from Boston

[Saint John]

This seems like a harmless way for them to express their faith in the power of prayer toward sexually deviant behavior. I have no problem with this.

[conversationpc]

She's no "religious zealot". This isn't surprising. Most mainstream Christians believe homosexuality is a sin, therefore it's not surprising that they would support a ministry for homosexuals who want to leave that lifestyle. The article also includes a statement from a gay rights activist who admitted that Palin had not used her position in Alaska to work against them.

As far as "coming out of the woodwork", I don't think any Palin supporters are even IN the wordwork on this board. We're right out here in the open.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

In Alaska, Palin signed a bill extending state benefits to gay couples. She clearly separates any personal belief on the issue from what is fair.

As a sidelight, praying to the Almighty about ANY sexual issues just doesnt work- I know this I spent every Firday and Saturday night as a youth praying my ass off that I'd get laid. Alls I ever got was a a few slaps in the face

[RossValoryRocks]

In Alaska, Palin signed a bill extending state benefits to gay couples. She clearly separates any personal belief on the issue from what is fair.

As a sidelight, praying to the Almighty about ANY sexual issues just doesnt work- I know this I spent every Firday and Saturday night as a youth praying my ass off that I'd get laid. Alls I ever got was a a few slaps in the face

God answers all prayers GTS...hust sometimes the answer is NO!

[conversationpc]

In Alaska, Palin signed a bill extending state benefits to gay couples. She clearly separates any personal belief on the issue from what is fair.

As a sidelight, praying to the Almighty about ANY sexual issues just doesnt work- I know this I spent every Firday and Saturday night as a youth praying my ass off that I'd get laid. Alls I ever got was a a few slaps in the face

God answers all prayers GTS...hust sometimes the answer is NO!

And sometimes he says that through women!

[Barb]

If you hate Obama as much as you hate Palin, why don't you start threads about every possible sketchy thing in Obama's background? I mean there is TONS of it out there. You seem to have a rabid hatred for Palin and I don't get it.

[RockitRide]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110143/Gallu ... -Lead.aspx

Dude, our Mama beats your 'Bama. Don't hate Sarah because she is both a hot babe AND will be a great VP. Most of the personal attacks on Palin have already been discounted. It is amazing how quickly these attacks were proved wrong with dates and other supporting facts. So much for the Democrats railing against the politics of personal distruction. They had their lawyers in Alaska looking for dirt on Palin, her husband and her kids before you could say Obama bin Laden...

[RockitRide]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110137/McCai ... dents.aspx
The last straw...EUROPE wants Obama to be President!!! Talk about the kiss of death!!! Now I get to vote against Obama AND France. I will enjoy voting more than ever this year. Also, looks like Obama's fund raising is circling the drain.

[Tito]

I have NO problem with this. Who wants to be gay?

[Barb]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110137/McCain-Now-Winning-Majority-Independents.aspx
The last straw...EUROPE wants Obama to be President!!! Talk about the kiss of death!!! Now I get to vote against Obama AND France. I will enjoy voting more than ever this year. Also, looks like Obama's fund raising is circling the drain.

I think the majority of Americans, D's or R's are offended on some level by the world's opining on our election. The world doesn't want what is best for America. The world wants what is best for the world. This type of news only hurts Obama.

[strangegrey]

Dude, this is grasping at straws, regarding palin. really....lol....

[Barb]

FOUR FREAKING PAGES of fakse internet rumors about Sarah Palin.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986/page/1

[conversationpc]

FOUR FREAKING PAGES of fakse internet rumors about Sarah Palin.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986/page/1

It's freaking insane some of the stuff that people are making up about her.

[RedWingFan]

Prayer can help with anything, whether it's addiction or sexually deviant behavior whatever it may be. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. But then again maybe I'm just another Religious Zealot!!!! I strive to be like you someday John.

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm struggling and fighting not to let myself get sucked into this one, because I know the argument isn't worth the frustration. This is why I stay out of political topics.

But good lord.

[Rhiannon]

Prayer can help with anything, whether it's addiction or sexually deviant behavior whatever it may be. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. But then again maybe I'm just another Religious Zealot!!!! I strive to be like you someday John.

Prayer is possibly the single most powerful thing ever. If someone doesn't agree with that then obviously they've never given it an honest shot. I agree that there isn't anything wrong with this at all. I'm all for letting people live their own lives, but with that should come the reciprocated respect from the other side that I (and those similar) should be allowed the same thing. Just for the record, minorities don't exist. We're all human.

[Don]

If I had my way, any talk of religion during campaigning would invoke immediate banishment to some dark and dusty dungeon. I'm all for a Grand Creator but talking snakes and "God said this" or"God said that" or "God told me to tell you that he'll make you straight" ( Is this implying that God fucked the first time he made you? Was he drunk or something?) this has no place in politics in my mind.

[SteveForever]

Prayer can help with anything, whether it's addiction or sexually deviant behavior whatever it may be. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. But then again maybe I'm just another Religious Zealot!!!! I strive to be like you someday John.

Prayer is possibly the single most powerful thing ever. If someone doesn't agree with that then obviously they've never given it an honest shot. I agree that there isn't anything wrong with this at all. I'm all for letting people live their own lives, but with that should come the reciprocated respect from the other side that I (and those similar) should be allowed the same thing. Just for the record, minorities don't exist. We're all human.

Fantastic post!!! I really enjoyed reading this.....thank you.

[bluejeangirl76]

If I had my way, any talk of religion during campaigning would invoke immediate banishment to some dark and dusty dungeon. I'm all for a Grand Creator but talking snakes and "God said this" or"God said that" or "God told me to tell you that he'll make you straight" ( Is this implying that God fucked the first time he made you? Was he drunk or something?) this has no place in politics in my mind.

He might have been. You teach your kid to make water into wine and things like that happen.

Calm down, peoples. Its a joke.

The problem on that count though, is that the same people who believe god or religion can "save" gays are the ones who also believe homosexuality is a choice. It isn't.

[Ehwmatt]

If I had my way, any talk of religion during campaigning would invoke immediate banishment to some dark and dusty dungeon. I'm all for a Grand Creator but talking snakes and "God said this" or"God said that" or "God told me to tell you that he'll make you straight" ( Is this implying that God fucked the first time he made you? Was he drunk or something?) this has no place in politics in my mind.

He might have been. You teach your kid to make water into wine and things like that happen.

Calm down, peoples. Its a joke.

The problem on that count though, is that the same people who believe god or religion can "save" gays are the ones who also believe homosexuality is a choice. It isn't.

I've thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's ALWAYS genetic. I think for some gay people, lifestyle influences might activate the dormant "gay gene;" much the same way that a kid genetically prone to alcoholism might activate that gene only when he starts to drink. I think some people do "choose it" out of a misguided need to be deviant. Others I think are born to be full-blooded "practicing" gays. I don't think everyone who lives a homosexual lifestyle was completely born that way. Who knows if science will ever determine for sure. Doubtful.

[Don]

If I had my way, any talk of religion during campaigning would invoke immediate banishment to some dark and dusty dungeon. I'm all for a Grand Creator but talking snakes and "God said this" or"God said that" or "God told me to tell you that he'll make you straight" ( Is this implying that God fucked the first time he made you? Was he drunk or something?) this has no place in politics in my mind.

He might have been. You teach your kid to make water into wine and things like that happen.

Calm down, peoples. Its a joke.

The problem on that count though, is that the same people who believe god or religion can "save" gays are the ones who also believe homosexuality is a choice. It isn't.

I've thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's ALWAYS genetic. I think for some gay people, lifestyle influences might activate the dormant "gay gene;" much the same way that a kid genetically prone to alcoholism might activate that gene only when he starts to drink. I think some people do "choose it" out of a misguided need to be deviant. Others I think are born to be full-blooded "practicing" gays. I don't think everyone who lives a homosexual lifestyle was completely born that way. Who knows if science will ever determine for sure. Doubtful.

I think everything has a starting point. Heart problems are hereditary but they have to start some where. You're family could have a clean heart for the last 200 years but your faulty ticker could start the trend with your kids and theirs. The same with being gay. Something could trigger a gene that starts to run amok. One thing I have never heard of is some one changing from gay to straight. If they did it would probably mean they weren't gay in the first place but I think that would be very rarely the case..

[Arkansas]

... Who wants to be gay?

Interesting question. All the arguments over the years are about how bad it is, or why someone is that way. Has anyone ever said they know they're not gay, but choose to be? Has anyone ever said they WANT to be gay?


later~

[RossValoryRocks]

If I had my way, any talk of religion during campaigning would invoke immediate banishment to some dark and dusty dungeon. I'm all for a Grand Creator but talking snakes and "God said this" or"God said that" or "God told me to tell you that he'll make you straight" ( Is this implying that God fucked the first time he made you? Was he drunk or something?) this has no place in politics in my mind.

He might have been. You teach your kid to make water into wine and things like that happen.

Calm down, peoples. Its a joke.

The problem on that count though, is that the same people who believe god or religion can "save" gays are the ones who also believe homosexuality is a choice. It isn't.

I've thought about this a lot, and I'm not sure it's ALWAYS genetic. I think for some gay people, lifestyle influences might activate the dormant "gay gene;" much the same way that a kid genetically prone to alcoholism might activate that gene only when he starts to drink. I think some people do "choose it" out of a misguided need to be deviant. Others I think are born to be full-blooded "practicing" gays. I don't think everyone who lives a homosexual lifestyle was completely born that way. Who knows if science will ever determine for sure. Doubtful.

I have heard it put this way...95% of all gay men are born that way...the other 5% are sucked into it!

Really I don't care WHO a person sleeps with or loves or any of that. I don't care the the Church Gov. Palin attends has a program to help people trying to become un-gay( if that is the correct term) in fact it sounds more like the person trying to decide if they are gay or not has the issue here, and if the church helps them then good for the church!

[Saint John]

... Who wants to be gay?

Interesting question. All the arguments over the years are about how bad it is, or why someone is that way. Has anyone ever said they know they're not gay, but choose to be? Has anyone ever said they WANT to be gay?


later~

I can't wait til stevew2 sees the questions you posed.

[StyxCollector]

Praying isn't going to turn anyone straight. If you're gay, you're gay. It's not my choice of sexuality, but I have no problem with people who are homosexual. I've known quite a few gay people over the years (doing pit bands for musicals, it's not hard to encounter lol). None of 'em turned me gay. I don't know why people are so threatened.

I also don't believe it's a choice. Something is chemical that determines their sexuality. I'm not talking the LUGs; I'm talking people who are genuinely gay and were not "just experimenting".

Personally, I think we need more tolerance than people wanting to convert other people to whatever it is they think is "the right way".

Although speaking of gay, anyone find it funny they had the convention in basically the same town as where Larry Craig got caught? Boy, there's an upstanding republican!

[johnroxx]

With John's recent ridiculous declaration that the Chargers are a "fraud," and now this, he's currently 0 and 2.

Can't wait to see what strike three will be...



;^)

[edcha]

I'm not familiar with all the nitty gritty details of American freedoms...
Pls. correct me if I'm wrong...but I just thought praying in church is a fundamental aspect of American religious freedom...

[strangegrey]

I have heard it put this way...95% of all gay men are born that way...the other 5% are sucked into it!

That begs the question: does the same exist for women, or can a woman be 'turned!'

Regardless...and on a serious note...I don't buy it for one second. Sorry. It's how I feel on it...It's just another one of the many examples where we're excused for our actions by the tree-hugging libs of the world....so we don't have to accept responsibility for them. Fuck that.

I'm sure there are some people that pop out of mom's holiest of holies thinking that they are going to spend their lifetime trying to get into the stinkhole next door, instead of back in where they actually came from. But those are the extremely sporadic examples of folks that were missing a few capacitors and resistors upon assembly. The rest of us develop our preference for bunghole or lovehole over the course of our childhood and adult development. Sorry...someone's paying the piper if it happened after birth. Liberals would *love* for you to believe that you're not responsible for your choices in life....this way, you can get away with all sortsa wacky shite...and liberals will be the first to jump off the wagon to call it normal and claim you as a voter. Ugh!

[lights1961]

Well Obama took shit for his religious affilation and his insane pastor. I think it's time Puppet Palin be under the same scrutiny. Also, before some of you yahoo Palin suckups come out of the woodwork telling me how great Sarah Lee is...save it! I like her as much as I like Obama! I'm sure the conservative yahoos agree with her church's sentiment, but I find it to be ridiculous! Just what The White House needs...a religous zealot!

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/p ... ion/165471

Palin's Church Promotes Gay Conversion
AP
Alaska (Sept. 8th) - Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.
Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice.

She is staunchly anti-abortion (opposing exceptions for rape and incest), and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.
Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization, is conducting the Love Won Out Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla.
Palin, campaigning with McCain in the Midwest on Friday, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called "pray away the gay" movement. Larry Kroon, senior pastor at Palin's church, was not available to discuss the matter Friday, said a church worker who declined to give her name.
Gay activists in Alaska said Palin has not worked actively against their interests, but early in her administration she supported a bill to overrule a court decision to block state benefits for gay partners of public employees.

At the time, less than one-half of 1 percent of state employees had applied for the benefits, which were ordered by a 2005 ruling by the Alaska Supreme Court.
Palin reversed her position and vetoed the bill after the state attorney general said it was unconstitutional.
But her reluctant support didn't win fans among Alaska's gay population, said Scott Turner, a gay activist in Anchorage.
"Less than 1 percent of state employees would even apply for benefits, so why make a big deal out of such a small number?" he said.
"I think gay Republicans are going to run away" if Palin supports efforts like the prayers to convert gays, said Wayne Besen, founder of the New York-based Truth Wins Out, a gay rights advocacy group. Besen called on Palin to publicly express her views now that she's a vice presidential nominee.
"People are looking at Sarah Palin as someone who might feasibly be in the White House," he said.


John from Boston

what a woman!! LIBERALS hate it so SHE MUST BE AMAZING. someone WHO ACTUALLY HAS BELIEFS and is NOT SORRY FOR THEM...... AMEN.... she is not PC that is WHY AMERICA LOVES HER and liberals hate her.



Rick