OT: The Wisdom of Ronald Reagan

[7 Wishes]

Reagan was a great leader and a very strong President - I had a slightly different take on his policies, having grown up in Europe. Just ask any European who posts on this board - it was different when you grew up close to the Russian border.

Now, Donald Regan said Reagan never ONCE consulted with him about any specific economic platform - and I don't believe he intended to win the Cold War by "outspending" the Soviets. But it worked - and every single person on the face of this earth owes him, and George H. Bush, their gratitude. And he was a tremendous and charismatic leader.

[donnaplease]

One of the stand up moments was when he walked into the Emergency Room under his own power despite being shot. It was like he didn't want our enemies to see us week at that particular moment. We were all glued to the T.V.

I believe when he woke after surgery, he asked Nancy, "Who's minding the store?".

I like what he said to the doctors right before the put him under, "I hope you are all Republicans."

Shot and about to undergo surgery and he is cracking jokes.

Great, Great man!

His funeral was the same day as my father's.

[Enigma869]

[ Remember the media recriminations against Reagan for his entire term in office, suggesting he was a "right-wing radical", dangerous, even crazy?

That was the brilliance of Reagan...he was a bit crazy! The great thing about Reagan is that everyone around the world (especially our enemies) knew the guy was a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, and that's why nobody ever dared fuck with this country while he was in office. If you remember, those Iran hostages weren't released until Reagan took office, but were captured during Carter's presidency!


John from Boston

[7 Wishes]

Well, there WAS the illegal arms-for-hostages thingie, but...

[Eric]

[ Remember the media recriminations against Reagan for his entire term in office, suggesting he was a "right-wing radical", dangerous, even crazy?

That was the brilliance of Reagan...he was a bit crazy! The great thing about Reagan is that everyone around the world (especially our enemies) knew the guy was a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, and that's why nobody ever dared fuck with this country while he was in office. If you remember, those Iran hostages weren't released until Reagan took office, but were captured during Carter's presidency!


John from Boston

I watched his 1980 acceptance speech, and he just had a way to tell our enemies he met business without being cocky....he was amazing. Why did he lose in '76 to Ford?

[RossValoryRocks]

[ Remember the media recriminations against Reagan for his entire term in office, suggesting he was a "right-wing radical", dangerous, even crazy?

That was the brilliance of Reagan...he was a bit crazy! The great thing about Reagan is that everyone around the world (especially our enemies) knew the guy was a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, and that's why nobody ever dared fuck with this country while he was in office. If you remember, those Iran hostages weren't released until Reagan took office, but were captured during Carter's presidency!


John from Boston

I watched his 1980 acceptance speech, and he just had a way to tell our enemies he met business without being cocky....he was amazing. Why did he lose in '76 to Ford?

'76 was the end of the moderate republicans being in control.

[nutz4Neal]

"Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose.'- Ronald Reagan"

Don't you love that statement?

Hell yeah, a strong leader is what we need and what we had with RR.

[artist4perry]

Ya gotta love Uncle Ronny! His nickname.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That was the brilliance of Reagan...he was a bit crazy! The great thing about Reagan is that everyone around the world (especially our enemies) knew the guy was a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, and that's why nobody ever dared fuck with this country while he was in office. If you remember, those Iran hostages weren't released until Reagan took office, but were captured during Carter's presidency!
John from Boston

Ever hear of October Surprise?
Just another fake cowboy.

[RossValoryRocks]

That was the brilliance of Reagan...he was a bit crazy! The great thing about Reagan is that everyone around the world (especially our enemies) knew the guy was a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, and that's why nobody ever dared fuck with this country while he was in office. If you remember, those Iran hostages weren't released until Reagan took office, but were captured during Carter's presidency!
John from Boston

Ever hear of October Surprise?

God that was investigated AD NAUSEUM by everyone and not one credible piece of evidence was found.

Can't you come up with something more than a conspiracy theory??? Nevermind...foolish question...

[The_Noble_Cause]

God that was investigated AD NAUSEUM by everyone and not one credible piece of evidence was found.

Can't you come up with something more than a conspiracy theory??? Nevermind...foolish question...

Uh-huh.
And I bet you think the Warren Commission is the last word on all things Kennedy related?

As if the wall-to-wall media coverage of his entombment wasn’t bad enough (is it over yet?), the Reich wing now commemorates the red baiting, union busting, solar panel removing, mental patient liberating, recession-causing, arms supplying B-movie star on a daily basis.

Humanizing touches such as being fastest with a quip, gnashing on jelly beans, and sleeping during cabinet meetings only served to debase the bar of the Presidency to the “beer drinking test” standards where it hovers today.

Pay him due credit for laying the pioneering groundwork for the first man and chimp cinematic teamup, and the scores of imitators that followed, and little else.

[UncleKG]

Ronald Reagan was a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT president. He was one of the few politicians who I actually admired. This country needs more politicians like Reagan, and fewer like the garbage we have running for the highest office in the land!

....and now for something completely different....and no, I'm not a democrat.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3788229.stm

But critics point out that there was another side to his presidency - record budget deficits, economic pressure on the middle class, human rights abuses in Central America, and the Iran-Contra scandal.

"The White House was very managed. If anything went wrong, they would blame the staff, not him."

The policy reached its apotheosis in the scandal that became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

Banned by Congress from supporting anti-Communist fighters in Nicaragua, Reagan's National Security Council (NSC) backed them secretly - with money raised by selling arms to Iran in violation of a separate US embargo.

When word of the arrangement leaked out, NSC chair John Poindexter resigned; the man who directed the operation, Lt Col Oliver North, was fired.

Eleven administration officials were convicted on criminal charges over the affair.

Oliver North claimed Reagan and then Vice-President George Bush senior knew about the arrangements, but they denied it and no evidence was ever found to disprove their claims.

A special prosecutor's report said that Reagan and Vice-President Bush had some knowledge of either the arrangement or the cover-up.

The arms sales to Iran "were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan" and his vice-president, prosecutor Lawrence Walsh concluded.

The Reagan administration "wilfully withheld... large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents", he added.

He said impeaching Reagan "certainly should have been considered", the Washington Post reported.

He was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964... As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He opposed a national holiday for the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination. And in 1988, he vetoed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation.

Congress overrode the veto.

Reagan also vetoed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. Congress overrode that veto, too.

Oh, and on immigration:
In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately 3 million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982 and had lived in the country continuously.

Sounds like a swell guy to me, and let's not even get into his "trickle down economics."

[Enigma869]

....and now for something completely different....and no, I'm not a democrat.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3788229.stm

But critics point out that there was another side to his presidency - record budget deficits, economic pressure on the middle class, human rights abuses in Central America, and the Iran-Contra scandal.

"The White House was very managed. If anything went wrong, they would blame the staff, not him."

The policy reached its apotheosis in the scandal that became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

Banned by Congress from supporting anti-Communist fighters in Nicaragua, Reagan's National Security Council (NSC) backed them secretly - with money raised by selling arms to Iran in violation of a separate US embargo.

When word of the arrangement leaked out, NSC chair John Poindexter resigned; the man who directed the operation, Lt Col Oliver North, was fired.

Eleven administration officials were convicted on criminal charges over the affair.

Oliver North claimed Reagan and then Vice-President George Bush senior knew about the arrangements, but they denied it and no evidence was ever found to disprove their claims.

A special prosecutor's report said that Reagan and Vice-President Bush had some knowledge of either the arrangement or the cover-up.

The arms sales to Iran "were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan" and his vice-president, prosecutor Lawrence Walsh concluded.

The Reagan administration "wilfully withheld... large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents", he added.

He said impeaching Reagan "certainly should have been considered", the Washington Post reported.

He was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964... As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He opposed a national holiday for the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination. And in 1988, he vetoed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation.

Congress overrode the veto.

Reagan also vetoed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. Congress overrode that veto, too.

Oh, and on immigration:
In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately 3 million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982 and had lived in the country continuously.

Sounds like a swell guy to me, and let's not even get into his "trickle down economics."

In case you haven't figured it out, I'm not much into partisan politics. I think EVERY politician is completely full of shit, and that includes Reagan. Being a blatant liar is a pre-requisite for the job. That's why I piss myself laughing at some of the yahoos on this board, who defend some of these knucklehead politicians like it's their kid brother (which is quite the trick in the case of that old fuck McCain) or their kid sister. This is the first time I've ever heard someone suggest Reagan should have been impeached, but it doesn't change my opinion of the guy, one iota. Many thought Clinton should have been impeached for getting his knob jobbed, and I thought Clinton was the best president, since Reagan! I'll take guys like Reagan and Clinton over mindless politicians like Obama, McCain (who I like on some levels...just not as president), Puppet Palin, and that big mouth, blowhard, Joe Biden!


John from Boston

[Eric]

But critics point out that there was another side to his presidency - record budget deficits, economic pressure on the middle class, human rights abuses in Central America, and the Iran-Contra scandal.

"The White House was very managed. If anything went wrong, they would blame the staff, not him."

The policy reached its apotheosis in the scandal that became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

Banned by Congress from supporting anti-Communist fighters in Nicaragua, Reagan's National Security Council (NSC) backed them secretly - with money raised by selling arms to Iran in violation of a separate US embargo.

When word of the arrangement leaked out, NSC chair John Poindexter resigned; the man who directed the operation, Lt Col Oliver North, was fired.

Eleven administration officials were convicted on criminal charges over the affair.

Oliver North claimed Reagan and then Vice-President George Bush senior knew about the arrangements, but they denied it and no evidence was ever found to disprove their claims.

A special prosecutor's report said that Reagan and Vice-President Bush had some knowledge of either the arrangement or the cover-up.

The arms sales to Iran "were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan" and his vice-president, prosecutor Lawrence Walsh concluded.

The Reagan administration "wilfully withheld... large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents", he added.

He said impeaching Reagan "certainly should have been considered", the Washington Post reported.

He was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964... As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He opposed a national holiday for the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination. And in 1988, he vetoed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation.

Congress overrode the veto.

Reagan also vetoed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. Congress overrode that veto, too.

Oh, and on immigration:
In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately 3 million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982 and had lived in the country continuously.

Sounds like a swell guy to me, and let's not even get into his "trickle down economics."

Other than the last item, I could care a less about any of that.....

[Don]

Every president has had to order someone greased or had to shake paws with some despicable dictator. Considering the bigger picture, I believe Reagan Represented the U.S. very well.

[UncleKG]

He was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964... As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He opposed a national holiday for the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination. And in 1988, he vetoed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation.

Congress overrode the veto.

Reagan also vetoed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. Congress overrode that veto, too.

Oh, and on immigration:
In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA). The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately 3 million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982 and had lived in the country continuously.

Sounds like a swell guy to me, and let's not even get into his "trickle down economics."

Other than the last item, I could care a less about any of that.....

I guess it's safe to say you're caucasian then?

[RedWingFan]

Ronald Reagan was a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT president. He was one of the few politicians who I actually admired. This country needs more politicians like Reagan, and fewer like the garbage we have running for the highest office in the land!

....and now for something completely different....and no, I'm not a democrat.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3788229.stm

Dude, you're right. Socialism/Communism is the way to go. Reagan was wrong with all his "freedom" and "shining light on a hill" talk. We need to apologize to the former USSR about what we did. Reagan was nothing but a racist! Gorbachev loved all people equally. Thank you UncleKG!

[Don]

I'm caucasian and I hate everybody equally.

[brywool]

God that was investigated AD NAUSEUM by everyone and not one credible piece of evidence was found.

Can't you come up with something more than a conspiracy theory??? Nevermind...foolish question...

Uh-huh.
And I bet you think the Warren Commission is the last word on all things Kennedy related?

As if the wall-to-wall media coverage of his entombment wasn’t bad enough (is it over yet?), the Reich wing now commemorates the red baiting, union busting, solar panel removing, mental patient liberating, recession-causing, arms supplying B-movie star on a daily basis.

Humanizing touches such as being fastest with a quip, gnashing on jelly beans, and sleeping during cabinet meetings only served to debase the bar of the Presidency to the “beer drinking test” standards where it hovers today.

Pay him due credit for laying the pioneering groundwork for the first man and chimp cinematic teamup, and the scores of imitators that followed, and little else.

Wow, I agree with TNC. That atom splitter must've really screwed up the universe today.


I was pretty young then but all of the guns for hostages stuff, "I can't recall", etc. I do remember that there was a lot of shady business going on which was proven later.

Speaking of Chimps, didn't Bonzo later become the 43rd president?