OT: Are we REALLY that stupid?

[RossValoryRocks]

This Post comes in three parts....Make sure you read all three parts!

Part 1
In less than two years; Remember the election in 2006?

Thought you might like to read the following:

A little under two years ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law - not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama

Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML

Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008

Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 ___ 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 ___ 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 ___ 75K - taxed $ 18,750

Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 ___ 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 ___ 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 ___ 125K - taxed $ 31,250

Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.


PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq
war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Read on...

I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a
word of English!
Verify at:
http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... ldt.0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at:
http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS ... dt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &

social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
Verify at:
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/ ... tation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ."

Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we REALLY THAT stupid?

[conversationpc]

To be fair, President Bush still gets a lot of the blame for these things but the Democratic-controlled Congress should also get its fair share.

[RossValoryRocks]

To be fair, President Bush still gets a lot of the blame for these things but the Democratic-controlled Congress should also get its fair share.

That was the gist of the post...though President Bush is a little weak on immigration.

[conversationpc]

To be fair, President Bush still gets a lot of the blame for these things but the Democratic-controlled Congress should also get its fair share.

That was the gist of the post...though President Bush is a little weak on immigration.

Bush is weak on immigration, not vetoing spending bills, and other issues.

[Saint John]

This is exactly why my plan to inform illegal aliens that they have 6 months to leave the country would work so well. If caught after 6 months they would serve a 1 year prison sentence and if caught a second time they would be executed. It's really that simple.

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business ... change.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/clinton-bush.asp

[conversationpc]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/clinton-bush.asp

I think we all know from reading the original post that it's not completely true. However, the point of Stu's post IS true. If the Democrats want to blame Bush for all evils in the world, they need to also accept responsibility for taking some of the blame now that they're in control of Congress when things aren't so rosy.

[Arkansas]

Whatever happened to the Dems 100 hr plan, or 100 days, or 100 whatevers?
What's the scorecard from that?
Anyone? Buehler?


later~

[strangegrey]

Stu, we really are that stupid. Part 1 alone should have sent this entire country into overdrive in voting out the democrat congress we elected in 2006.

We got what we paid for...


...and approximately 44% of the people in this country feel that voting in one of the idiots that brought us higher gas prices, a plumeting dollar and plenty of other 'lovelies' over the past 2 years is a 'recipe for change'


idiocy.

[RossValoryRocks]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/clinton-bush.asp

I would actually submit that while they are not the sole causes they have not done ANYTHING to help the situation out.

[Saint John]

Stu, we really are that stupid. Part 1 alone should have sent this entire country into overdrive in voting out the democrat congress we elected in 2006.

We got what we paid for...


...and approximately 44% of the people in this country feel that voting in one of the idiots that brought us higher gas prices, a plumeting dollar and plenty of other 'lovelies' over the past 2 years is a 'recipe for change'


idiocy.

Their party name should be changed to dumbocrats.

[UncleKG]

I do so enjoy those that toe the party line. I do love sweeping generalizations. ALL republicans are always right, and ALL democrats are idiots. Yeah, that's it.

Drink that kool-aid, kids.

[7 Wishes]

To be fair, President Bush still gets a lot of the blame for these things but the Democratic-controlled Congress should also get its fair share.

There isn't a 60-40 majority either way, so unless one party holds the Presidency, the House of Reps, and the Congress, it's going to be the President's agenda that makes its way through.

[7 Wishes]

...and approximately 44% of the people in this country feel that voting in one of the idiots that brought us higher gas prices, a plumeting dollar and plenty of other 'lovelies' over the past 2 years is a 'recipe for change'
idiocy.

You stupid fuck. The Administration is in the pocket of Big Oil. Republican Senators are the recipients of the top 25 Congressional recipients of campaign funds from oil companies. You are a twisted, uniformed fruit loop.

[7 Wishes]

Hmmm...after adjusting for inflation, the average person paid almost identical taxes in each bracket under Clinton, except under William the Great, the economy was thriving and not in recession...twice.

[conversationpc]

To be fair, President Bush still gets a lot of the blame for these things but the Democratic-controlled Congress should also get its fair share.

There isn't a 60-40 majority either way, so unless one party holds the Presidency, the House of Reps, and the Congress, it's going to be the President's agenda that makes its way through.

Doesn't matter...If you're going to lay blame at the feet of the Administration, you HAVE to give Congress its fair share as well regardless of any 60-40 crap. The President is expected to do his job even if he has a Congress that is made up largely of the opposite party. If that's the case, logically, you have to expect the same of Congress if the President is of the opposite party as well.

In my opinion, this do-nothing Congress is doing so on purpose because they are so sure that their messiah is going to be elected this time around. That's kinda despicable, if you think about it.

[Rick]

The Democrats don't control anything in Congress unless they have a 60% voting leverage. It's a stalemate as it sits. They can't push anything through because the Republicans are standing there with their No votes ready to pounce, every time. They'd rather be sucked apart by the vacuum of space than agree on anything the Democrats propose.

It's fun to point the finger at them though isn't it? It helps take away the focus on how much damage the Republicans have done to this country.

[strangegrey]

The Democrats don't control anything in Congress unless they have a 60% voting leverage. It's a stalemate as it sits. They can't push anything through because the Republicans are standing there with their No votes ready to pounce, every time. They'd rather be sucked apart by the vacuum of space than agree on anything the Democrats propose.

It's fun to point the finger at them though isn't it? It helps take away the focus on how much damage the Republicans have done to this country.

Inability or unwillingness to react in times of need is just as damning, as acting improperly.

While the 2006-2008 democrat controlled congress may not have been in a position to advance their agenda to the full extent of their desires, they were able to advance it by blockading the republicans at every turn (and in small part, earmarking some issues through undetected to the public).

The evidence of the dramatic downturn in this country, economically, between 2006 and 2008 is staggering. Mindnumbingly staggering! Sorry, it's impossible to ignore that, once you look at it with dispassionate eyes (sadly, something democrats lack the ability of).

[Arkansas]

Hmmm...after adjusting for inflation, the average person paid almost identical taxes in each bracket under Clinton, except under William the Great, the economy was thriving and not in recession...twice.

Clinton had his roads paved by Reagan & Bush 41. (Trickle down DOES work.) Besides, he had a Republican Congress.
Willy's greatness only goes so far.


later~

[FishinMagician]

part 1
correlation = cause hahahaha

[strangegrey]

Hmmm...after adjusting for inflation, the average person paid almost identical taxes in each bracket under Clinton, except under William the Great, the economy was thriving and not in recession...twice.

Hogwash, you need to prove (as the burden is yours), under the technical definition of inflation that such an equilibrium exists. Be prepared to bring out the historic inflation rate tables. Once you do that, I submit you might give up.

However, if you're the type that likes being proven wrong, time and again, take specific note to inflation rates between 2001-2005. Bush's tax cuts, the reduced capital gains tax and the downward stepping death tax was all put into effect 2001. I think you'll find that the tax cuts hold a significant difference to Clintonian era tax rates. Again, enjoy your burden here.

[Skylorde]

I think we all know from reading the original post that it's not completely true. However, the point of Stu's post IS true. If the Democrats want to blame Bush for all evils in the world, they need to also accept responsibility for taking some of the blame now that they're in control of Congress when things aren't so rosy.

Great point. The dems like to blame all the ill's of the world on Bush (believe me, I'm NOT a Bush fan) however they fail to accept their share of the blame for the current state of affairs.

Contrast that with the 90's when the country was doing well, the left LOVES to give all the credit to Clinton and simply dismissing the Republican controlled House & Senate. I'm not saying Clinton gets no credit, he just doesn't get all the credit.

[Sarah]

I do so enjoy those that toe the party line. I do love sweeping generalizations. ALL republicans are always right, and ALL democrats are idiots. Yeah, that's it.

Drink that kool-aid, kids.

QFT

[conversationpc]

The Democrats don't control anything in Congress unless they have a 60% voting leverage. It's a stalemate as it sits. They can't push anything through because the Republicans are standing there with their No votes ready to pounce, every time. They'd rather be sucked apart by the vacuum of space than agree on anything the Democrats propose.

It's fun to point the finger at them though isn't it? It helps take away the focus on how much damage the Republicans have done to this country.

You're clouding the issue by implying something that hasn't been said. No one here is saying that Republicans don't deserve blame.

I'm sick of this crap about the Democrats don't control anything, blah blah blah. If the Republicans were in charge and not getting things through, then it would be their responsibility to find a way to do it anyway. Same game for the Democrats.

[7 Wishes]

OK, so you're saying the 400% increase in 8 years under Bush is on par with the rate of inflation over the same period? I mean, we all know Bush's economic policies are more horrendous than Hoover's, but I didn't know it had gotten THAT bad.

Try again, dude. Wrong answer.