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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:42 am

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Red13JoePa wrote:How about those "considerate" neighboors who block the sidewalk with their trashcans the night before trashday (because their precious grass between the sidewalk and street can't have the cans on it).

As a matter of course when walking my kids I ram the damn things with the stroller or pick them up and lay them sideways on the lawn itself.


Our cans HAVE to be on the grass between the sidewalk and street so that the trash truck can pick them up. However, it doesn't bother me a bit if someone puts them on the sidewalk. It's not that hard to walk around it. Now people parking over the sidewalk with their vehicles so that you have to walk out in the street is another story.


My garage is on the corner of the building (shared with three other townhomes) and on trash day everyone puts their cans right behind my car... not in the grass where it's like "ooh, that's kinda close" but right directly in line with where I have to back out. So I uhhh... took one (1522's) and put it on the other side of the street (1522 is always the worst about it). They got fined. They were more careful for a while, and confused as to how their can got over there... but now it's slowly creeping back towards my car.

I mean serious! How hard is it to walk an extra 18 inches and put it out of my way!?! :evil:
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:45 am

conversationpc wrote: However, it doesn't bother me a bit if someone puts them on the sidewalk. It's not that hard to walk around it. Now people parking over the sidewalk with their vehicles so that you have to walk out in the street is another story.


Walking in the street is EXACTLY what people pushing children in strollers have to do in my neighborhood to get around the trashcans the ingnoramuses put on the sidewalk. The lawns are all hills going up.

Besides what gives them the right? It's a sidewalk not a landfill.

And to the scumbag letting the dog shit on my lawn under the cover of darkness: Die.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:47 am

Red13JoePa wrote:And to the scumbag letting the dog shit on my lawn under the cover of darkness: Die.


I don't care if people let the dog crap on my yard but they need to clean it up. If I ever catch anyone doing that, I will personally collect the dog shit and smear it all over their front door.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:51 am

Rhiannon wrote:They were more careful for a while, and confused as to how their can got over there... but now it's slowly creeping back towards my car.


LOL
I love the "confused" part.

Typical sheople, ALL the same. Too ignorant of other people not to realize that you did it to make a point.
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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:04 am

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Rhiannon wrote:They were more careful for a while, and confused as to how their can got over there... but now it's slowly creeping back towards my car.


LOL
I love the "confused" part.

Typical sheople, ALL the same. Too ignorant of other people not to realize that you did it to make a point.


Our garages are around at the back of the building along an alley or side street... they're four in a row but they're Noah's Ark style, two units share a two car garage. We share ours with 1522. I came home the night of all this and the lady says "Do you guys ever have a problem with your trash being moved?" I said "No, Keith puts it out in the grass and they come get it." She says "Our can was over there (points across the street) and they fined us $25 for it." ..."Oh, well, that sucks... guess you gotta be careful about where you set it, huh?" She goes "I guess so." .....Tard. :roll: :lol:
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Postby Angel » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:08 am

That would suck to have neighbors like that. I am lucky-all of my neighbors are great!
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Postby Rip Rokken » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:30 am

This is definitely a story for the A-HOLE PATROL thread... haha! I need to resurrect that puppy soon...

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Postby Don » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:35 am

lights1961 wrote:there is a new movie about a nasty neighbor with Samuel Jackson I cant remember the title.
Maybe you should ask them to the movies this weekend... hehehe


Watch Pacific Heights with Michael Keaton, he's actually a tenant instead of a neighbor, but it shows how the law can be used against you in the most fucked up way.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:37 am

Rip Rokken wrote:This is definitely a story for the A-HOLE PATROL thread... haha! I need to resurrect that puppy soon...

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Yes you do.....I miss that thread!!! :wink:
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:44 am

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stevew2 wrote:I did this before, get some Muric Acid{if you still can} Or Laquer Thinner.Put that shit in {or get someone}to pour that shit in his gas tank.Two days your problem will be solved. To be certain, pour a big bottle of bleach in there to,and if you are hammered,follow it through with some good ole piss.

Whatever happened to using plain old sugar? :lol:

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Postby Saint John » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:01 am

2 weeks living next to me and this guy would have a For Sale sign in his yard.
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:07 am

Saint John wrote:2 weeks living next to me and this guy would have a For Sale sign in his yard.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Triple S » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:27 am

:lol: Wonderful suggestions, everyone - thanks :lol:

Ya, the guys owns his own courier business - the truck is some huge MF delivery truck which shouldn't be parked in a res area. I fully expected to see him at my door last night after he got home and loaded up with beer - I was ready to take him on :wink: - but no such luck. This morning he only left the truck running for 5 or 10 minutes (and no air drain). So either he actually does realize he can't be doing this and we can take it further, or he's planning a really loud revenge party this weekend :evil: . I'm covered there too - by nature of my job I've got lots of local police contacts - one call to let them know he's gone for a beer run after already having consumed 20 or 30, and guess who won't be driving a delivery truck for awhile. Let him figure out who's going to pay for his $11,000 cesspool (hot tub) then! F***, I hate to be like this but this asshole has pushed me too far. The hardest part is restraining my husband - he's chomping at the bit to go at this guy but I don't want violence - I figure cold, calculated revenge is the best tactic and I'm a master at that when someone's crossed me :twisted: .
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Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:37 am

I understand your frustration, but is this the first time you have had contact with these neighbors about "issues"? If so, than it is somewhat unfair to be this worked up already. And maybe he really wasn't thinking about his actions and now that it has been poointed out he is going to do better. Then it would seem simply talking to these neighbors actually works and you would only have yourself to blame for not taking care of all this sooner. Either way, you may have said "Please" but that consideration was thrown out the window when you started swearing. Again, I am only basing this on the fact that it sounds like this is actually your first "encounter" with these neighbors. If there is a history here there please continue as you are...you will have ample reason.
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Postby Saint John » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:39 am

Sneak into his backyard at night and fill his hot tub with ready mix concrete. :lol:
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Postby Deb » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:40 am

artist4perry wrote:
Saint John wrote:2 weeks living next to me and this guy would have a For Sale sign in his yard.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


There ya go SSS, just room and board St John for a week or 2 and your problem is solved. :lol:
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Postby Triple S » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:46 am

jrnyman28 wrote:I understand your frustration, but is this the first time you have had contact with these neighbors about "issues"? If so, than it is somewhat unfair to be this worked up already. And maybe he really wasn't thinking about his actions and now that it has been poointed out he is going to do better. Then it would seem simply talking to these neighbors actually works and you would only have yourself to blame for not taking care of all this sooner. Either way, you may have said "Please" but that consideration was thrown out the window when you started swearing. Again, I am only basing this on the fact that it sounds like this is actually your first "encounter" with these neighbors. If there is a history here there please continue as you are...you will have ample reason.


Definitely lots of history. We've phoned/knocked on their doors several times to ask them to keep the party noise down, their friends often piss on our lawn during these parties, throw glass beer bottles in the bushes between our houses, their kids broke all the branches off our cherry tree whacking it with a baseball bat, their Pitbull (who is a really nice dog by the way) constantly hops the fence and comes into our yard, they refused to pay for half of said fence when we built it - need I go on? We've just never specifically complained about the truck before, thought we could put up with it until he started draining the air at 5:30 in the am.
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Postby Triple S » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:53 am

Deb wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Saint John wrote:2 weeks living next to me and this guy would have a For Sale sign in his yard.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


There ya go SSS, just room and board St John for a week or 2 and your problem is solved. :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: And he can bring stevew2 along for plan B :lol:
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Postby artist4perry » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:56 am

Triple S wrote:
Deb wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
Saint John wrote:2 weeks living next to me and this guy would have a For Sale sign in his yard.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


There ya go SSS, just room and board St John for a week or 2 and your problem is solved. :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: And he can bring stevew2 along for plan B :lol:

Question is would you survive it? :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock:
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Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:12 am

Probably won't help you, but I thought it was ironic this article floated up on MSN today...


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It’s bound to happen to everyone at some point in their lives. But it doesn’t have to be prohibitively expensive to sort things out — if you give arbitration a try.

By SmartMoney Staff

Since that's out of the question for most of us, disputes with neighbors are inevitably going to crop up from time to time. We've got a suggestion: Don't litigate, arbitrate.

Do you work from home? If so, you need to be especially careful, because, if you're like many people, it may not be technically legal for you to work there. There have been a huge number of cases in which, essentially out of spite, neighbors have turned in other neighbors for zoning violations.

Arbitration: A better way to mend fences
Not long ago, Michael Daly was working on a screenplay when his upstairs neighbor suddenly cranked up the Doobie Brothers. The stereo was so loud, says Daly, "I felt like I was inside a drum."

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Daly thought about suing, since it wasn't the first time this guy had busted his concentration. But instead he tried something else: neighborhood mediation. At a free session sponsored by the Los Angeles County Bar Association, Daly's neighbor agreed to keep quiet. Total out-of-pocket expense: a $10 donation.

There are more than 500 neighborhood-mediation centers around the nation that specialize in resolving potentially bitter border wars. You may not be able to find an office in more rural areas, but they have popped up in nearly every metropolitan area in the United States in the past 15 years. "I can't think of a major city that doesn't have one," says Larry Ray, executive director of the National Association for Community Mediation. Last year alone, these nonprofit centers, which are run by the courts in many states, handled about 600,000 neighbor feuds. Numerous other mediation centers are operated by church groups.

While most people are still unaware of neighborhood mediation, it's becoming increasingly popular for two reasons: First, these centers generally resolve neighbor feuds free. Second, according to the American Bar Association, neighbors are able to settle their differences with the help of a mediator 90% of the time. The ABA says 85% of these mediated agreements are still in force six months later. "The mediator makes no decisions at all," says Cora Jordan, an attorney and author of “Neighbor Law: Fences, Trees, Boundaries & Noise.” "That's why these agreements last as long as they do."

Even if you doubt you could ever get your neighbors to agree to mediation, don't give up hope. Once you contact a center, the mediator assigned to your case will contact your neighbors and urge them to come in. Sixty percent of the time, both parties appear, the ABA says.

There's also been a proliferation of private mediators. More often than not, they are lawyers, psychologists or social workers who generally charge about $100 per dispute. Probably the only reason to pay these fees is if you'd feel more comfortable having a legal or counseling professional handle your case rather than a volunteer at a nonprofit center. "But even if you pay for mediation, it's going to be a heck of a lot cheaper than if you sue," Jordan says.

The place to find a mediator or a neighborhood center is the Yellow Pages, where they're generally listed under the heading "Mediators." You can also call the local bar association. Or the police. In recent years, some officers have begun carrying cards with the telephone number of the nearest center so they can have it ready when they respond to neighbor disputes.

Minding your own (home) business
Thinking about opening a business out of your home sweet home? If you're just going to be working on a computer in an unused bedroom, you're probably in the clear. But if the business is any more elaborate than that, you may be about to run afoul of your local zoning codes. Most towns have laws on the books that limit the scope of home businesses. Originally intended to keep hair salons and auto body shops out of residential areas, these codes may seem archaic to today's home-office dweller.

Luckily, it usually takes a complaint before the rules are enforced -- so if you have good relations with your neighbors, you probably don't have to worry. But, if your neighbor brings a violation to the attention of local authorities, you may be shocked to find that you have little choice but to comply with the rules.

You should know the zoning restrictions that apply to you, even if you choose to ignore them. The codes vary widely, but they often prohibit home businesses from creating traffic, posting signs, using on-street parking, hiring employees or using too much space in their home for business uses. Your first stop should be town hall. Proceed straight to the clerk's office, and act as if you know what you're doing. "It's very important that you don't say, 'May I start a business in my home?'" says Omri Behr, an Edison, N.J., lawyer. "Every bureaucrat will say no. Just ask for a copy of the zoning ordinance. That way, you don't give yourself away."

If you decide to go ahead and open a business where you won't be able to comply with the exact letter of the law, discuss it with your neighbors. Explain how you will be an asset to the block by being there during the day to keep an eye on their homes, sign for occasional deliveries or serve as a resource for kids home alone after school. There will almost certainly be times when your business inconveniences your neighbors. By keeping lines of communication open, they'll go to you with complaints, not the town officials.

One of the biggest irritations to neighbors is having delivery trucks rumble through the local streets all day. For that reason, home-office experts suggest renting a post-office box or using a service such as Mail Boxes Etc.

If you see regular clients, try to visit them at their offices, or communicate with them by phone as much as possible. If you're storing work materials in your garage -- a no-no in some cities -- call one of those mini-storage places and start renting some space.

The penalties for running an illegal business range all over the map. In some cities, you'll get a mere slap on the wrist. Others will fine you upward of $500. And some will even hit you with a more severe punishment. An Albuquerque, N.M., man who refused to shut down his computer company was sentenced to 90 days in jail, though the sentence was eventually reduced to probation.

While you can always hire a lawyer and fight back, that's expensive, and there's not much chance you'll win. (Courts have upheld towns' zoning laws almost unanimously.) A smarter strategy is to get plugged in to local politics before you ever get turned in. In many cities, local groups are springing up. A good place to find such an organization is your local chamber of commerce. You could even join the chamber itself. If you get into a dispute with a neighbor, you'll need every ally you can get.
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