Augeri - WYLAW

[bluejeangirl76]

Personally, I wouldn't be so disrespectful as to walk up and hit him up (or any musician) for dirt on band drama and I certainly wouldn't bring this up. It's just rude. That's a pretty quick way to get disrespected right back, if you ask me. It's over and it can't be changed now. I've avoided the posts that point out the tape stuff for a reason... to me, it just doesn't matter now. What happened happened, can't change it, and some don't have to like it but all parties have moved on to other things now. Feel free to take this whole post and apply it to Perry and Jeff also. I wouldn't ask Augeri about this any more than I would ask the other two singers about those situations.

Well, if that's how you feel, more power to you. I don't agree, at all. For starters, comparing Augeri's situation to Perry's and Jeff's is just ridiculous. While nobody ever leaves Journey under good circumstances, I don't recall any of their past singers being accused of lip syncing on stage and passing it off as a live concert!

No, but I do recall one of them being accused repeatedly of faking major surgery and staging a whole big box of drama over it to get out of touring. That's a fair enough comparison. You want to walk up to him and ask him if its true? I don't.

A) it's just more rumor and drama and I don't do drama, B) it's disrespectful, and C) he's bigger than me.

[stevew2]

This performance is 100% tape.
If you want to hear Augeri at this show w/out the audio sweetening hand of Elson at the control board, pay attention to 2:47 and 4:36.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq4wriOCMV8

Look how Neal doesn't pay ANY attention to him. You can tell that the Neal and Steve were just walking on eggshells. I've got a Florida video and it's the same way. Neal hardly smiles at all, he and Steve rarely have any eye contact... damn. Sad sad SAD.

Much different band than the one that visited Seattle the other night.

Look at Cain at the end...can't even look at him.

I agree when Neal plays the lead and Sa comes up to him,When Neal is done he he flicks his guitar off like he is done a bad load.Then walks away. it should have never gotten that far.it was a bad day for Journey. Things are better now,but just like the song they played earlier I wont be fooled again. Arnel is one that keeps me interested in this "band'.I will never trust them again to be true to there music.Mean while I will check out what they do, Arnel sings his as off.Nice dude, and ill put up with Frigas mug cause I like the tunes,and all the shit we talk hear

[The_Noble_Cause]

I wouldn't ask Augeri about this any more than I would ask the other two singers about those situations.

I'm not advocating reopening old wounds, but what transpired between Jeff and Perry were personal/business matters.
What was decided with Augeri spilt over into affecting the hard paying audiences themselves.

Right on BJG.. it's like going up and asking someone, "So hey, heard your ex-wife was fuckin your best friend? That why you two split?"

Your spouse's sex life most certainly is private.
Fucking thousands of paying fans on two separate continents is not.

[stevew2]

I wouldn't ask Augeri about this any more than I would ask the other two singers about those situations.

I'm not advocating reopening old wounds, but what transpired between Jeff and Perry were personal/business matters.
What was decided with Augeri is ,I thought was live. I was fooled. I dont respect the band, but I do respect the music despite them, and Arnel is a great singer. Ill still enjoy the music,fuck the band

[bluejeangirl76]

I wouldn't ask Augeri about this any more than I would ask the other two singers about those situations.

I'm not advocating reopening old wounds, but what transpired between Jeff and Perry were personal/business matters.
What was decided with Augeri spilt over into affecting the hard paying audiences themselves.

Fair enough. I wasn't (fully) back on board at that time and had to catch up on the drama late in 2006. I suppose I'm more apathetic about it because I wasn't here for all that and didn't know about it when it happened. I can appreciate that a lot of people felt let down, though. I still wouldn't ask guys like that about those things. Honestly, I'd probably rather talk to (any of) them about anything but Journey.

[Luvsaugeri]

I know everyone has asked Neal & Co. about Augeri's lipping. Has anyone asked Augeri the question, point blank? By everyone's account, Augeri is a decent and humble guy. I would think he would want to come clean with his hardcore fans and set the record straight. Or does he have the old "gag order" in effect? Hopefully, if he's back to singing these days, he's doing it without tapes!


John from Boston

When you say 'everyone'.....are you referring to fans or media??

I have only read one interview where Neal was questioned about it and he wouldn't comment. (there may have been more than one interview.....I don't read everything posted)

And I don't know of ANY fan that has asked Neal or Jon. Did I miss it somewhere?

Personally I agree with BJG.....I wouldn't dream of asking SA. Of course I wouldn't ask NS or JC either. But that's just me. They all share responsibility in Tapegate. Journey has moved on and people don't have a problem with them. SA has moved on and I don't have a problem with him.

[Enigma869]

When you say 'everyone'.....are you referring to fans or media??

I was actually referring to more the media, because all of the accounts I have read about the issue involved media outlets.

They all share responsibility in Tapegate.

This we agree on!

Journey has moved on and people don't have a problem with them. SA has moved on and I don't have a problem with him.

This we don't agree on. I think the truth of the matter is that 99% of the people who attend Journey concerts never knew a single thing about Tapegate! Remember, most people weren't on MR reading the daily drama. I have a problem with ANY musician blatantly defrauding fans. I realize the page has been turned and time marches onward. I just know at the time this all happened, most of Augeri's diehard fans said the accusations were all a bunch of bullshit and attacked anyone who dared suggest that Augeri wasn't live on the stage. I just wondered if Augeri had ever been given the opportunity to address the issue, because it was ultimately his character that was assassinated!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

Well, if that's how you feel, more power to you. I don't agree, at all. For starters, comparing Augeri's situation to Perry's and Jeff's is just ridiculous. While nobody ever leaves Journey under good circumstances, I don't recall any of their past singers being accused of lip syncing on stage and passing it off as a live concert!

No, but I do recall one of them being accused repeatedly of faking major surgery and staging a whole big box of drama over it to get out of touring. That's a fair enough comparison. You want to walk up to him and ask him if its true? I don't.

A) it's just more rumor and drama and I don't do drama, B) it's disrespectful, and C) he's bigger than me.

I guess I agree with your premise that fans probably should never ask these questions, for obvious reasons. It just seems from the things I've read that Augeri interacts with his fans a bit more, and I know what a rabid bunch they are from my days at Jackass Talk. I just thought maybe in passing that one of his crazed fans would ask him to defend his character, because some of them still don't believe the allegations!

I do think that someone in the press should absolutely, positively ask the questions, and keep hammering away until someone answers. I guess at this point, it's been proven, beyond any reasonable doubt that Augeri wasn't singing live. I still think comparing Perry's departure from the band to Augeri's departure from the band is flat out ridiculous. Even if it is 100% correct that Perry faked major surgery, it still isn't the same as getting up in front of paying fans and defrauding them night after night! Perry's surgery or non-surgery was his business and his business only!


John from Boston

[Saint John]

I have a problem with ANY musician blatantly defrauding fans.

Unless you had Journey sign a contract stating their show would be 100% completely live I don't think your "defrauding" statement holds water from anything other than a moral perspective. Tapegate was never about class action lawsuits and all of the other shit you heard. It was about shame and having your name reduced so low that you would no longer be considered legit in the business and able to tour. But I understand what you're saying...and you're right; while there isn't a legal obligation to disclose that your show is 90% fake, there is certainly a moral one...especially considering a lot of those fans had 20+ years under their belts.

[bluejeangirl76]

I just wondered if Augeri had ever been given the opportunity to address the issue, because it was ultimately his character that was assassinated!

Hmm... I'm seeing more and more of where you're coming from with this idea. Alright, you do have a good point here. Yes, they were all responsible, but he's the one who suffered from it so what's his side of it... it sounds like that's closer to what you're asking.

[Enigma869]

Unless you had Journey sign a contract stating their show would be 100% completely live I don't think your "defrauding" statement holds water from anything other than a moral perspective.

Come on SJ...you can surely do better than that for an argument! Of course no laws were broken. I would suggest that betraying the trust of the most loyal fans in the world is a FAR more egregious act than breaking any law! Also, this notion that Journey hasn't violated any trust unless they issue a disclaimer saying that their shows are 100% live is absurd! The expectation is implied that fans showing up for a concert are there to listen to LIVE music and not the CD they played in the car on the way to the show! Also, I'm not a huge concert goer, but every concert I've ever attended in my life has the word "LIVE" printed right on the front of every ticket! Silly me for actually thinking there was truth in advertising!


John from Boston

[Luvsaugeri]

I just thought maybe in passing that one of his crazed fans would ask him to defend his character, because some of them still don't believe the allegations!




John from Boston

I don't think the crazed fans you speak of would feel the need to ask this question because a.) They don't believe it happened and/or b.) They don't believe there is a need for him to defend his character.

As for myself (If I am one of the crazed fans you speak of)......I believe that it happened but I also feel the band did what they did as a group and perhaps what they feel was necessary. So I personally wouldn't ask SA about this just like I wouldn't ask NS why he had to be such a prick and throw SA under the bus and put all the blame on him. (IMO of course)

[Saint John]

Unless you had Journey sign a contract stating their show would be 100% completely live I don't think your "defrauding" statement holds water from anything other than a moral perspective.

Come on SJ...you can surely do better than that for an argument! Of course no laws were broken. I would suggest that betraying the trust of the most loyal fans in the world is a FAR more egregious act than breaking any law! Also, this notion that Journey hasn't violated any trust unless they issue a disclaimer saying that their shows are 100% live is absurd! The expectation is implied that fans showing up for a concert are there to listen to LIVE music and not the CD they played in the car on the way to the show! Also, I'm not a huge concert goer, but every concert I've ever attended in my life has the word "LIVE" printed right on the front of every ticket! Silly me for actually thinking there was truth in advertising!


John from Boston

I guess I'll repost what I originally said and highlight a few parts. You obviously need to read it twice considering we basically said the same thing

Unless you had Journey sign a contract stating their show would be 100% completely live I don't think your "defrauding" statement holds water from anything other than a moral perspective. Tapegate was never about class action lawsuits and all of the other shit you heard. It was about shame and having your name reduced so low that you would no longer be considered legit in the business and able to tour. But I understand what you're saying...and you're right; while there isn't a legal obligation to disclose that your show is 90% fake, there is certainly a moral one...especially considering a lot of those fans had 20+ years under their belts.

[brywool]

Not bullshit. I have a big mouth *here*. But around people I don't know I clam up until I'm comfortable.

Ditto.

[YoungJRNY]

Not bullshit. I have a big mouth *here*. But around people I don't know I clam up until I'm comfortable.

Ditto.

Yeah, BJG is a pretty shy 'kat' at first. In Cleveland I thought she was going to come in flipping tables and breaking bottles but that was hardly the case. A down to earth type gal.

NOTE: Funny how 2 years ago Tape gate single handidly put Journey in the burning depth inferno of the Devils steam bubbling lair where they would forever be punished but NOW it gave the band its REVELATION. hmmm

[bluejeangirl76]

Yeah, BJG is a pretty shy 'kat' at first. In Cleveland I thought she was going to come in flipping tables and breaking bottles but that was hardly the case. A down to earth type gal.

That was the best thing I've ever read about myself. Sadly, it isn't true. Especially around you people... imagine being a kitten in a tiger cage... that's what the first 10 minutes in that bar was like... mostly because you all head a big head start - LOL! But put a drink in my hand and kitten becomes... well tiger cub, at least.

[DrFU]

Yeah, BJG is a pretty shy 'kat' at first. In Cleveland I thought she was going to come in flipping tables and breaking bottles but that was hardly the case. A down to earth type gal.

That was the best thing I've ever read about myself. Sadly, it isn't true. Especially around you people... imagine being a kitten in a tiger cage... that's what the first 10 minutes in that bar was like... mostly because you all head a big head start - LOL! But put a drink in my hand and kitten becomes... well tiger cub, at least.

I think you just called Dan, Tony, Rip, & Trav a bunch of big pussies...

[Enigma869]

big pussies...

Wasn't he a character on The Sopranos


John from Boston

[bluejeangirl76]

Yeah, BJG is a pretty shy 'kat' at first. In Cleveland I thought she was going to come in flipping tables and breaking bottles but that was hardly the case. A down to earth type gal.

That was the best thing I've ever read about myself. Sadly, it isn't true. Especially around you people... imagine being a kitten in a tiger cage... that's what the first 10 minutes in that bar was like... mostly because you all head a big head start - LOL! But put a drink in my hand and kitten becomes... well tiger cub, at least.

I think you just call Dan, Tony, Rip, & Trav a bunch of big pussies...

I think I didn't do that.
Hmm... I *did* miss a great pussy joke or two there, though, didn't I?
I must need sleep.

[DrFU]

Yeah, BJG is a pretty shy 'kat' at first. In Cleveland I thought she was going to come in flipping tables and breaking bottles but that was hardly the case. A down to earth type gal.

That was the best thing I've ever read about myself. Sadly, it isn't true. Especially around you people... imagine being a kitten in a tiger cage... that's what the first 10 minutes in that bar was like... mostly because you all head a big head start - LOL! But put a drink in my hand and kitten becomes... well tiger cub, at least.

I think you just call Dan, Tony, Rip, & Trav a bunch of big pussies...

I think I didn't do that.
Hmm... I *did* miss a great pussy joke or two there, though, didn't I?
I must need sleep.

no, no, no ... you fed us the straight line; WE get to make the pussy jokes ... JFB gets it ...