Journey When You Love A Woman 9/26/08

by **Deb** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:15 am

annie89509 wrote:Oops, Dan has apologised over his SP comment. Seems like he has been doing a lot of that lately.

He's got zipper problems, cut him some slack. :lol:

by **Deb** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:16 am

Lula wrote:
Lora wrote:
Lula wrote:very nice. i love this song. the guitar is beautiful, neal is amazing. arnel just falls flat to me. he really has a great voice, but this song has perry all over it.

Neal's guitar is so beautiful on this song but Arnel vocals did nothing for me. I guess the singer either reaches you or doesn't and Arnel just doesn't reach me. Singing the words, singing the notes, nice voice but he does not connect with me on any level. Glad that he is making a connection with others, though.

(see you next week & hugs to Wyatt-man)

really looking forward to seeing you!!! Wyatt sends you hugs and very wet kisses, lol.

Awe! How did his first bday go? Pics?

by **SueinFlorida** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:16 am

I enjoyed watching this video. But it felt like I was watching someone doing a wonderful cover of Steve Perry. Truly entertaining in every sense but none the less not nearly as good as Steve Perry.

by **Don** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:21 am

We're comparing a live version with Studio magic. Who's knows how many notches higher Arnel could take the song in a controlled environment?

by **StoneCold** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:27 am

Excellent. THIS is a re-record that would sound great. Not that I want re-records.

It sounds that good on a youtube clip, can you imagine live? :shock:

by **YoungJRNY** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:32 am

StoneCold wrote:Excellent. THIS is a re-record that would sound great. Not that I want re-records.

It sounds that good on a youtube clip, can you imagine live?

Yes!........

........................ L-I-V-E!!!! :wink:

by **whirlwind** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:37 am

mdaemon wrote:
whirlwind wrote:
pineda1 wrote:
whirlwind wrote:A beautiful voice but the song lacked originality. It was not Arnel. It was Arnel covering Perry. It's 1/4 Arnel and 3'4 Perry, imo.

Arnel's live version can be compared to the original studio version. JMHO.

Not for me. He is not striking out on his own, He has the words and music and the performance of the original to show him the way and he is only following a pattern already set. It shows in the way he sings the song. It's like he is reciting.

Journey is bringing back wonderful memories from their fans' younger days when they play these songs. What better way of doing that by having a vocalist who can sing it as close as possible to the original.

However, if a person's memories of these songs is watching Perry and having moistness in between the thighs or heaven forbid a tightening of the trousers then it's no longer about the music but more about the personality. While I see something wrong with that, I still respect it as that is a personal preference. However, people should give credit when it is due. Arnel sang this song (and most of Journey's song for that matter) beautifully. The least we can do is give him kudos. The man deserves it.

With Perry, it has always been about the music and how it's presented. Suggesting that his fans idolize him for his personality or looks instead of his music, just shows that you have no idea of what it is that made Journey the band that it was, I mean is.

:wink:

by **Enigma869** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:41 am

I guess I didn't get all the "goosebumps" everyone else got! Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone is gushing over this, considering it's a VERY lousy boot. That's certainly no fault of Arnel's, but there really isn't enough evidence (due to shitty quality) to say whether the performance is good, bad, or ugly! I don't doubt that Arnel can sing and would love to see him sing this song live. That said, this isn't close to Perry's version of this song...Not remotely close!

John from Boston

by **Rick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:45 am

Enigma869 wrote:I guess I didn't get all the "goosebumps" everyone else got! Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone is gushing over this, considering it's a VERY lousy boot. That's certainly no fault of Arnel's, but there really isn't enough evidence (due to shitty quality) to say whether the performance is good, bad, or ugly! I don't doubt that Arnel can sing and would love to see him sing this song live. That said, this isn't close to Perry's version of this song...Not remotely close!

John from Boston

Well then you're going to have to take in a concert. I know you think you're too old. but it would be cool if you'd take in one at one of the big get togethers. You'd have a great time.

by **Enigma869** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:53 am

Rick wrote:Well then you're going to have to take in a concert.

I think I'll have to wait for a DVD with this track, my friend. Having a two year old doesn't allow me much free time, and as much as I love Journey's music, I'd never even consider trading it for the time I get to spend with my son.

Rick wrote:I know you think you're too old.

I guess at a Journey concert, I'd fit right in with all the other old fucks (including the ones on the stage) :shock:

Rick wrote: it would be cool if you'd take in one at one of the big get togethers.

You can't be serious Rick. Me at a get together with MR folks??? Have you even seen some of the battles I've gotten into here? It would be an all-out brawl, and all the attention would be taken away from Journey :shock:

John from Boston

by **Rick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:59 am

Enigma869 wrote:You can't be serious Rick. Me at a get together with MR folks??? Have you even seen some of the battles I've gotten into here? It would be an all-out brawl, and all the attention would be taken away from Journey

John from Boston

That's all out the window when we all get together. Everyone respects the opinions of others. I promise you, nobody will take what has been said here to a get together. You would be most welcome, and I guarantee you will have a great time.

by **Voyager** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:15 am

epoy wrote:
tanga wrote:This is why this song was nominated to the Grammy's. Perry's rendition to this song is so emotional and uplifting and can't be duplicated. Arnel did okay with it, but the way Perry sang this song is just incredible.

Let's not forget that AP is a big fan of SP and what he might be doing is paying tribute to SP? just saying... Besides, however he does this song, he can't win both camps, or all camps...you see? I'm diggin' this one.

I agree... Arnel is a HUGE Steve Perry fan... and all Arnel is doing is paying tribute to Perry by emulating his voice in a very respectable way. Why do people have to pit Arnel against Perry? Why do people have to say "Arnel is better than Perry"? That is why Arnel cannot win both camps. The moment the Perry defenders warmup to him, the Arnel worshipers start boasting that Arnel is better than Perry. How do they expect to receive any respect from Perry fans by spouting off that kind of stuff? If Arnel heard his fans saying this about him, he would tell them to shut their blaspheming mouths. Arnel is only trying to keep the Perry legacy alive - he's not trying to erase it and replace it with his own.

by **Rick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:24 am

Voyager wrote:
epoy wrote:
tanga wrote:This is why this song was nominated to the Grammy's. Perry's rendition to this song is so emotional and uplifting and can't be duplicated. Arnel did okay with it, but the way Perry sang this song is just incredible.

Let's not forget that AP is a big fan of SP and what he might be doing is paying tribute to SP? just saying... Besides, however he does this song, he can't win both camps, or all camps...you see? I'm diggin' this one.

I agree... Arnel is a HUGE Steve Perry fan... and all Arnel is doing is paying tribute to Perry by emulating his voice in a very respectable way. Why do people have to pit Arnel against Perry? Why do people have to say "Arnel is better than Perry"? That is why Arnel cannot win both camps. The moment the Perry defenders warmup to him, the Arnel worshipers start boasting that Arnel is better than Perry. How do they expect to receive any respect from Perry fans by spouting off that kind of stuff? If Arnel heard his fans saying this about him, he would tell them to shut their blaspheming mouths. Arnel is only trying to keep the Perry legacy alive - he's not trying to erase it and replace it with his own.

Post of the year.

by **nutz4Neal** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:27 am

Esc wrote:crisper clearer upload:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWYIGNem5mY

its arnel im hearing.
simply amazing.

Thanks for this, you're right, it is much clearer.

Also agree that it's pure Arneal singing, not a Perry sound a-like, I hear and feel his emotion. Love it..love Arnel!

Jana, you do need to get TBF..it's one of my favs.

by **nutz4Neal** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:29 am

Voyager wrote:
I agree... Arnel is a HUGE Steve Perry fan... and all Arnel is doing is paying tribute to Perry by emulating his voice in a very respectable way. Why do people have to pit Arnel against Perry? Why do people have to say "Arnel is better than Perry"? That is why Arnel cannot win both camps. The moment the Perry defenders warmup to him, the Arnel worshipers start boasting that Arnel is better than Perry. How do they expect to receive any respect from Perry fans by spouting off that kind of stuff? If Arnel heard his fans saying this about him, he would tell them to shut their blaspheming mouths. Arnel is only trying to keep the Perry legacy alive - he's not trying to erase it and replace it with his own.

APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE!

by **Don** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:41 am

This song, being the group's only Grammy nominated tune, deserves to be sung live. Perry had 12 years to do it and never did. It's a shame it wasn't in the setlist at the beginning of the tour.

by **Saint John** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:11 am

Enigma869 wrote: That said, this isn't close to Perry's version of this song...Not remotely close!

And you heard Perry sing it LIVE when? Or are you going off of the 200 take studio version?

by **mdaemon** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:20 am

whirlwind wrote:
mdaemon wrote:
whirlwind wrote:
pineda1 wrote:
whirlwind wrote:A beautiful voice but the song lacked originality. It was not Arnel. It was Arnel covering Perry. It's 1/4 Arnel and 3'4 Perry, imo.

Arnel's live version can be compared to the original studio version. JMHO.

Not for me. He is not striking out on his own, He has the words and music and the performance of the original to show him the way and he is only following a pattern already set. It shows in the way he sings the song. It's like he is reciting.

Journey is bringing back wonderful memories from their fans' younger days when they play these songs. What better way of doing that by having a vocalist who can sing it as close as possible to the original.

However, if a person's memories of these songs is watching Perry and having moistness in between the thighs or heaven forbid a tightening of the trousers then it's no longer about the music but more about the personality. While I see something wrong with that, I still respect it as that is a personal preference. However, people should give credit when it is due. Arnel sang this song (and most of Journey's song for that matter) beautifully. The least we can do is give him kudos. The man deserves it.

With Perry, it has always been about the music and how it's presented. Suggesting that his fans idolize him for his personality or looks instead of his music, just shows that you have no idea of what it is that made Journey the band that it was, I mean is.

I am a new fan but I have a clear idea on what made Journey the band that it is. I am however unsure about *some* fans as from the very start, there are those who never gave Augeri, Soto, and Pineda a chance. They've seen Perry dozens of times live and they are comparing that experience with shitty youtube videos and making judgement based on these. Sure it's about the music, but for some fans, it's also about the personality.

by **mdaemon** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:32 am

Voyager wrote:
epoy wrote:
tanga wrote:This is why this song was nominated to the Grammy's. Perry's rendition to this song is so emotional and uplifting and can't be duplicated. Arnel did okay with it, but the way Perry sang this song is just incredible.

Let's not forget that AP is a big fan of SP and what he might be doing is paying tribute to SP? just saying... Besides, however he does this song, he can't win both camps, or all camps...you see? I'm diggin' this one.

I agree... Arnel is a HUGE Steve Perry fan... and all Arnel is doing is paying tribute to Perry by emulating his voice in a very respectable way. Why do people have to pit Arnel against Perry? Why do people have to say "Arnel is better than Perry"? That is why Arnel cannot win both camps. The moment the Perry defenders warmup to him, the Arnel worshipers start boasting that Arnel is better than Perry. How do they expect to receive any respect from Perry fans by spouting off that kind of stuff? If Arnel heard his fans saying this about him, he would tell them to shut their blaspheming mouths. Arnel is only trying to keep the Perry legacy alive - he's not trying to erase it and replace it with his own.

I agree with what you said dude. While I do not agree with what they are doing, I do understand where these guys are coming from. Prior to all of these, Arnel had been and is still being unfairly compared to Perry. There were also ridiculous stuff that was said about Arnel that were hurtful to his fans even to his countrymen. What you are seeing from *some of* Arnel's fans are just reactions from what they *perceive* to be offensive comments towards Arnel.

Perhaps they are asking why it is ok when it's Arnel being unfairly compared to Perry and not the other way around? If the likes of Jimmmyttt on youtube can diss it, surely they should be able to take it?

by **Rick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:40 am

mdaemon wrote:
Voyager wrote:
epoy wrote:
tanga wrote:This is why this song was nominated to the Grammy's. Perry's rendition to this song is so emotional and uplifting and can't be duplicated. Arnel did okay with it, but the way Perry sang this song is just incredible.

Let's not forget that AP is a big fan of SP and what he might be doing is paying tribute to SP? just saying... Besides, however he does this song, he can't win both camps, or all camps...you see? I'm diggin' this one.

I agree... Arnel is a HUGE Steve Perry fan... and all Arnel is doing is paying tribute to Perry by emulating his voice in a very respectable way. Why do people have to pit Arnel against Perry? Why do people have to say "Arnel is better than Perry"? That is why Arnel cannot win both camps. The moment the Perry defenders warmup to him, the Arnel worshipers start boasting that Arnel is better than Perry. How do they expect to receive any respect from Perry fans by spouting off that kind of stuff? If Arnel heard his fans saying this about him, he would tell them to shut their blaspheming mouths. Arnel is only trying to keep the Perry legacy alive - he's not trying to erase it and replace it with his own.

I agree with what you said dude. While I do not agree with what they are doing, I do understand where these guys are coming from. Prior to all of these, Arnel had been and is still being unfairly compared to Perry. There were also ridiculous stuff that was said about Arnel that were hurtful to his fans even to his countrymen. What you are seeing from *some of* Arnel's fans are just reactions from what they *perceive* to be offensive comments towards Arnel.

Perhaps they are asking why it is ok when it's Arnel being unfairly compared to Perry and not the other way around? If the likes of Jimmmyttt on youtube can diss it, surely they should be able to take it?

Your argument certainly holds water, and there hasn't been a fair shake for Arnel. But every time he sings in front of a crowd, he proves his metal. He, himself, is refuting all the naysaying with his talent. He absolutely deserves all the respect in the world as the frontman for Journey. He's as good as they get.

by **musicfan17** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:43 am

Simply put...Arnel was toatlly amazing on this tune and many I have heard live recently. Even with the crumby quality of the video. Arnel IS the voice of Journey...SP WAS the voice, but Arnel is such an awesome vocalist...I'm really tired of all the "He's copying SP, or He lacks the emotion etc...etc.." The horse is just beaten beyond dead people. In 2008 and beyond, I'll take Journey with Arnel on vocals over Steve Perry every time. I love Steve Perry and his voice in his heyday was so amazing. But people....give it a rest.

by **Lula** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:54 am

most people are digging journey today. the few of us that aren't moved to goosebumps when arnel sings hardly count for much. journey doesn't need me to cheer lead or to even be a fan of their recent music, they've got a good thing going without my adoration.

by **artist4perry** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:08 am

Lora wrote:
Lula wrote:very nice. i love this song. the guitar is beautiful, neal is amazing. arnel just falls flat to me. he really has a great voice, but this song has perry all over it.

Neal's guitar is so beautiful on this song but Arnel vocals did nothing for me. I guess the singer either reaches you or doesn't and Arnel just doesn't reach me. Singing the words, singing the notes, nice voice but he does not connect with me on any level. Glad that he is making a connection with others, though.

(see you next week & hugs to Wyatt-man)

Nicely put. I am sorry, I would prefer to hear Steve do this one live. I think Arnel does well on the newer songs. They become more his own. But that is my oppinion. And that is all it is worth. I am a Perry Loon, I know! As far as the concert, I had fun, Arnel did well, but some songs to me are more personally Perry. Perry's voice has such tembre and presence. I wish Arnel to enjoy the break and come back strong. But I will also look for Steve to hopefully thrill us one more time, his voice to me reaches a part of my heart no other performer has ever touched. Much like a stroke of a great artists brush, Perry's voice has such texture and warmth, it is uniquely his own.

by **epoy** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:18 am

whirlwind wrote:
epoy wrote:
whirlwind wrote:A beautiful voice but the song lacked originality. It was not Arnel. It was Arnel covering Perry. It's 1/4 Arnel and 3'4 Perry, imo.

seriously, what has to happen in order for you to say, OMG, this is incredible!....I agree with you though, listening to this all i can hear is SP. But damn, i have goosebumps!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

This gives me goosebumps.

Well, i think we all do so there's no argument there. Hopefully maybe someday somewhere, they will do an unplugged version of these hits; very raw, very different, and very cool.

by **Lora** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:23 am

musicfan17 wrote:I'm really tired of all the "He's copying SP, or He lacks the emotion etc...etc.." The horse is just beaten beyond dead people. In 2008 and beyond, I'll take Journey with Arnel on vocals over Steve Perry every time. I love Steve Perry and his voice in his heyday was so amazing. But people....give it a rest.

Sorry, but I won't be giving it a rest. Your opinion is just that....your opinion. No need to suggest that others who do not share your opinion refrain from expressing what they feel.

by **StoneCold** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:32 am

Thanks to Rick's tutelage, here's my first attempt at an mp3 creation and sharing.

I've taken the 2nd more clearer vid and converted it to mp3. I've tagged it as track #13 for Revelation for those that want to add it to your player.

Yes, that means you'll probably have to listen to "Let It Blow Your Hair Back" to get to it. :lol:

Here goes:

Journey - WYLAW - Live AP version
https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php? ... 5b0dfed69b

by **Don** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:35 am

It is sad that Perry couldn't come out of his cocoon and sing some of the songs live from TBF. All though I'm not a big fan of that album, it would be nice to see the songs from it get their day in the sun by being performed live. Neil and the Boys put as much effort into that album as they did their earlier ones. Everyone was excited with J.S.S. singing "Message of Love" so It's only fair that Arnel gets a crack at performing that album live, especially for all the people who bought it and were waiting for the tour that never came.

by **RPM** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:02 pm

Its good. not close to the original at all. the magic perry had is in his dynamics, (powerful to soft)
and getting the "breath" sound that creates emotion with syllables.
Arnel can do this as well, its harder to do live, but Perry was/is a master of it and
ill save the gossebumbs for his version....

Ray

by **Enigma869** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:09 pm

Enigma869 wrote: That said, this isn't close to Perry's version of this song...Not remotely close!

Saint John wrote:And you heard Perry sing it LIVE when? Or are you going off of the 200 take studio version?

I don't recall saying that I ever heard Perry sing the song live. I'm well aware of the history of Journey and the fact that Perry never toured after TBF! Dude...if you think Arnel is the greatest singer ever, more power to you. I like the guy and like him a lot. He simply isn't Perry, period, end of story!

John from Boston

by **weatherman90** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:16 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
whirlwind wrote:A beautiful voice but the song lacked originality. It was not Arnel. It was Arnel covering Perry. It's 1/4 Arnel and 3'4 Perry, imo.

You've just described the predicament every Journey replacement singer faces.
Even Jeff wasn't exempt....the more the tour went on, the more those Cooke inflections began creeping up.

Arnel does an outstanding job here.
As much as I prefer to hear Neal rock, Arnel's musical terra firma is slow ballads.

You got it - Arnel simply nails the ballads.

He struggles on the faster stuff like Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, etc. Perry was unique in that he could sing at just about any pace and still sound incredible.

MR

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