"Revelation" Officially Platinum - Kevin Shirley

[S2M]

If getting platinum gives the band woodys....more power to 'em. However, I'm NOT impressed.....

My new motto:

Divide by Two

why arent you impressed? are you not impressed or less impressed by the wright brothers because there are two of them?

So that means that the Wright Brothers should be credited as making the first two human flights????

lol..........

And just WHAT are you laughing at, traitor? hmmmm?

[csiako]

If getting platinum gives the band woodys....more power to 'em. However, I'm NOT impressed.....

My new motto:

Divide by Two

why arent you impressed? are you not impressed or less impressed by the wright brothers because there are two of them?

So that means that the Wright Brothers should be credited as making the first two human flights????

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

[Abitaman]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

[Don]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

[squirt1]

Congrats to Wal-Mart if true.

[Saint John]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

And that won't change anytime soon. People simply have too many memories to associate with those songs. A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

[Don]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

And that won't change anytime soon. People simply have too many memories to associate with those songs. A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

I should say another exception was WYLAW. It was like everybody was holding there breath listening to him sing it. Even the Security guys were actually watching him perform this song, it was a magical moment for everyone including me.

[Saint John]

my point is the album is impressive. like i said "i think revelation is impressive with or without getting platinum"

Agreed

The sad thing is with the exception of After all these years, People at the show I went to still tend to sit or get quiet during the new songs. Everybody still wants to hear the songs from the eighties and wouldn't even miss it if the band didn't play any thing from 1988 forward.

And that won't change anytime soon. People simply have too many memories to associate with those songs. A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

I should say another exception was WYLAW. It was like everybody was holding there breath listening to him sing it. Even the Security guys were actually watching him perform this song, it was a magical moment for everyone including me.

Consciously or subconsciously that song brings back the memory of Journey reforming and all of the hoopla surrounding the 1996 release of TBF. It's also our last link to the greatest incarnation of the band.

[Lora]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

[Michigan Girl]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

[Saint John]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

You're lucky I didn't get to meet you in Texas. I had a big wet one ready for you. I think you were hiding from me.

And for the record, I have never dissed a Journey concert, whether it be Augeri, Soto or Pineda...for the above reasons stated. The songs are the catalyst and the stroll back in time is what makes the shows so special. And while I may think "this singer was better than that one"...they all did a good enough job to take me back in time. Embrace nostalgia, folks. It's healthy.

[Michigan Girl]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

You're lucky I didn't get to meet you in Texas. I had a big wet one ready for you. I think you were hiding from me.
And for the record, I have never dissed a Journey concert, whether it be Augeri, Soto or Pineda...for the above reasons stated. The songs are the catalyst and the stroll back in time is what makes the shows so special. And while I may think "this singer was better than that one"...they all did a good enough job to take me back in time. Embrace nostalgia, folks. It's healthy.

LOL!!! You know, I do regret that!!! I find myself in your neck of the woods on occasion. I will, one day, expect to be totally entertained by you Chicago peeps!!!

[jrnyjetster]

I see that journeymusic.com hasn't (yet) announced that Revelation has officially gone PLATINUM, but that really doesn't surprise me....

You'd think that would be HUGE news from the Journey camp, though.

I do think that Shirley was probably looking at WORLDWIDE sales however, not just here in the states.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I see that journeymusic.com hasn't (yet) announced that Revelation has officially gone PLATINUM, but that really doesn't surprise me....

You'd think that would be HUGE news from the Journey camp, though.

It takes an audit from the RIAA to become "officially" platinum. Who knows if they will do that or not.

[jrnyman28]

Argus mentioned the need for an audit. I assume that means it hasn't been completed yet.

[separate_wayz]

'Revelation' is not "officially platinum", but it's knocking on platinum's door.

By my count, it'll be around 960,000 CDs sold by the Tuesday, October 7th count. I think that was close enough for Kevin Shirley to declare victory and uncork the proverbial champagne. And good for him, for leading the charge.

By the end of the month (more or less), 'Revelation' will be un-officially officially platinum, so to speak -- the one-million mark will be crossed somewhere around that time. But the audit will likely be done after a few more CDs are sold so that it will confirm at least 1,000,000 CDs.

Regardless of which week, it's been a helluva year, hasn't it! Journey got a new lead singer who earned good marks from all around, Journey cut a live DVD from their Las Vegas performance, they released a well-produced CD+DVD album the debuted at #5 on the Billboard chart and that's (almost) achieved RIAA platinum, they sold out 32 of their 53 tour dates with Heart and Cheap Trick (one of the highest grossing tours of the year), and they had a single from the new CD reach the Billboard Top 10 on the Hot AC chart .....

I think all that's worth a toast of the bubbly .....

[Jana]

I agree, Separate Wayz. Great year for Journey.

[UncleKG]

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I do believe that a CD's Gold or Platinum certification is contingent on units SHIPPED, not units sold.

This may have changed, but I remember that all of the KISS solo albums in the late 70's were certified Platinum right off the bat because they SHIPPED a million copies each....mind you, you could find copies in a cutout bin at K-Mart six months later for a couple of bucks, but still....

[jrnyjetster]

'Revelation' is not "officially platinum", but it's knocking on platinum's door.

By my count, it'll be around 960,000 CDs sold by the Tuesday, October 7th count. I think that was close enough for Kevin Shirley to declare victory and uncork the proverbial champagne. And good for him, for leading the charge.

Oh...I'd say it's probably exceeded the platinum plateau, IF you include INTERNATIONAL sales in the mix.

[Jeremey]

Revelation is NOT officially platinum.

There were 500,000 copies made, with 450,000 going to Wal Mart and 50,000 being sold in specialty markets (on tour, etc). I am not sure if the RIAA counts the units sold on tour or how that extra 50,000 copies will figure into the equation...That being said, I can still go into Sams in Virginia and buy about 10-15 copies of Revelation, so I am pretty sure they still haven't sold out of the 450,000. I can't say whether RIAA certifies sales status based on sales figures or shipped figures. I would think they've changed it to sales figures because a lot of those "platinum" certifications are met many years after the records are produced - and reach multiplatinum status based on catalog sales. Plus on shipped figures, when they did that - A LOT of records that shipped "platinum" were then returned to distributors because the original plan to ship them to hit platinum was a strategic business move to make those numbers based on shipments, knowing that sales would never reach a million.

Anyway, maybe someone else who knows better can elaborate. I would have thought KS would know, but I reiterate that if he said the record is "officially platinum" that's just not correct.

[Saint John]

Revelation is NOT officially platinum.

There were 500,000 copies made, with 450,000 going to Wal Mart and 50,000 being sold in specialty markets (on tour, etc). I am not sure if the RIAA counts the units sold on tour or how that extra 50,000 copies will figure into the equation...That being said, I can still go into Sams in Virginia and buy about 10-15 copies of Revelation, so I am pretty sure they still haven't sold out of the 450,000. I can't say whether RIAA certifies sales status based on sales figures or shipped figures. I would think they've changed it to sales figures because a lot of those "platinum" certifications are met many years after the records are produced - and reach multiplatinum status based on catalog sales. Plus on shipped figures, when they did that - A LOT of records that shipped "platinum" were then returned to distributors because the original plan to ship them to hit platinum was a strategic business move to make those numbers based on shipments, knowing that sales would never reach a million.

Anyway, maybe someone else who knows better can elaborate. I would have thought KS would know, but I reiterate that if he said the record is "officially platinum" that's just not correct.

I just spoke to Kevin Shirley via e-mail and he confirms that it has indeed sold enough to be certified platinum. Here are his words verbatum: "Well, it has sold enough to be certified platinum. Each of these sales is actual, real and valid. There are 2 audio discs, which doubles the count. And while some might take issue with that, it's the criteria everyone operates with. So, this is a platinum album."

[Tito]

Revelation is NOT officially platinum.

There were 500,000 copies made, with 450,000 going to Wal Mart and 50,000 being sold in specialty markets (on tour, etc). I am not sure if the RIAA counts the units sold on tour or how that extra 50,000 copies will figure into the equation...That being said, I can still go into Sams in Virginia and buy about 10-15 copies of Revelation, so I am pretty sure they still haven't sold out of the 450,000. I can't say whether RIAA certifies sales status based on sales figures or shipped figures. I would think they've changed it to sales figures because a lot of those "platinum" certifications are met many years after the records are produced - and reach multiplatinum status based on catalog sales. Plus on shipped figures, when they did that - A LOT of records that shipped "platinum" were then returned to distributors because the original plan to ship them to hit platinum was a strategic business move to make those numbers based on shipments, knowing that sales would never reach a million.

Anyway, maybe someone else who knows better can elaborate. I would have thought KS would know, but I reiterate that if he said the record is "officially platinum" that's just not correct.

I just spoke to Kevin Shirley via e-mail and he confirms that it has indeed sold enough to be certified platinum. Here are his words verbatum: "Well, it has sold enough to be certified platinum. Each of these sales is actual, real and valid. There are 2 audio discs, which doubles the count. And while some might take issue with that, it's the criteria everyone operates with. So, this is a platinum album."

I think Shirley surely knows what he's talking about. He probably has already cleared a spot on his wall for that platinum album.

[jrnyjetster]

Well, it isn't OFFICIAL until Journey management announces it and they haven't yet, so I guess Kevin has jumped the gun a bit.

Also, why is a CD certified platinum by the RIAA based soley on U.S.A. only sales? What about Canada, Mexico, Central/South America, Europe and Asia? I never understood that.

[Saint John]

Well, it isn't OFFICIAL until Journey management announces it and they haven't yet,

When the fuck have they been quick and reliable with breaking information? I'll take Kevin and his industry knowledge at his word when he says it's already sold more than 500,000. It's inevitable anyway, so why would he lie?

[Rick]

Well, it isn't OFFICIAL until Journey management announces it and they haven't yet, so I guess Kevin has jumped the gun a bit.

Also, why is a CD certified platinum by the RIAA based soley on U.S.A. only sales? What about Canada, Mexico, Central/South America, Europe and Asia? I never understood that.

I'm sure they have enough trouble trying to get accurate numbers from the domestic outlets. It would probably be next to impossible to compile the numbers world wide.

[Rick]

Well, it isn't OFFICIAL until Journey management announces it and they haven't yet,

When the fuck have they been quick and reliable with breaking information? I'll take Kevin and his industry knowledge at his word when he says it's already sold more than 500,000. It's inevitable anyway, so why would he lie?

I'm not sure why he would say it's official if the audit hasn't been done. But like you said, if it isn't official, it's definitely inevitable.

[separate_wayz]

If 'Revelation' is "officially" platinum (or even un-officially so), then I was dead-on accurate with the prediction I made in the first couple weeks of 'Revelation's' debut: that it would go platinum by the end of the tour (circa Oct. 8th).

Dang, I'm awesome! I'm almost getting callouses from patting myself on the back.

[Rick]

If 'Revelation' is "officially" platinum (or even un-officially so), then I was dead-on accurate with the prediction I made in the first couple weeks of 'Revelation's' debut: that it would go platinum by the end of the tour (circa Oct. 8th).

Dang, I'm awesome! I'm almost getting callouses from patting myself on the back.

Damn right!

[Jeremey]

Revelation is NOT officially platinum.

There were 500,000 copies made, with 450,000 going to Wal Mart and 50,000 being sold in specialty markets (on tour, etc). I am not sure if the RIAA counts the units sold on tour or how that extra 50,000 copies will figure into the equation...That being said, I can still go into Sams in Virginia and buy about 10-15 copies of Revelation, so I am pretty sure they still haven't sold out of the 450,000. I can't say whether RIAA certifies sales status based on sales figures or shipped figures. I would think they've changed it to sales figures because a lot of those "platinum" certifications are met many years after the records are produced - and reach multiplatinum status based on catalog sales. Plus on shipped figures, when they did that - A LOT of records that shipped "platinum" were then returned to distributors because the original plan to ship them to hit platinum was a strategic business move to make those numbers based on shipments, knowing that sales would never reach a million.

Anyway, maybe someone else who knows better can elaborate. I would have thought KS would know, but I reiterate that if he said the record is "officially platinum" that's just not correct.

I just spoke to Kevin Shirley via e-mail and he confirms that it has indeed sold enough to be certified platinum. Here are his words verbatum: "Well, it has sold enough to be certified platinum. Each of these sales is actual, real and valid. There are 2 audio discs, which doubles the count. And while some might take issue with that, it's the criteria everyone operates with. So, this is a platinum album."

Well....I know that they may have sold 500,000 units to distributors, but I know they haven't sold 500,000 units to consumers because they are still copies on the shelves and I know for a fact they only manufactured 500K copies of it. Trust me, I would LOVE to say I have co-writing credits on a platinum record, but I just don't believe it's there yet.

[Tito]

A concert is a trip back in time...down memory lane. The nostalgia factor isn't so much about the songs, but the memories they evoke and new songs don't have that quality. However, maybe in a number of years they will. New music can't be compared to old music. The old music has memories that take a lifetime to accumulate. Doesn't mean we can't make new memories and enjoy the new music, though. Hell, I have some extremely fond memories from this past tour because of some awesome people and places.

Wow. That was beautiful.

I know, this is the most shockingly unpredictable guy I have ever read.....

You're lucky I didn't get to meet you in Texas. I had a big wet one ready for you. I think you were hiding from me.

And for the record, I have never dissed a Journey concert, whether it be Augeri, Soto or Pineda...for the above reasons stated. The songs are the catalyst and the stroll back in time is what makes the shows so special. And while I may think "this singer was better than that one"...they all did a good enough job to take me back in time. Embrace nostalgia, folks. It's healthy.

Peterik and Sullivan were wrong. It's the SONG not the singer.