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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Since 78 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:53 pm

Purrkat wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story!

I'm sure he's been a jerk, but I'm also sure they all have. Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.
Enigma869 wrote: He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring.

The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. :lol: Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.

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Oct. 22, 1994 Minneapolis, MN Sass Jordan
Oct. 28, 1994 Taft Theater. Cincinnati, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 29, 1994 Music Hall. Cleveland, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 30, 1994 Arie Crown Theater. Chicago, IL Sass Jordan
Nov. 1, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Auditorium. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 3, 1994 Fox Theater. Detroit ,MI Sass Jordan
Nov. 5, 1994 Stabler Arena. Lehigh Campus. Bethleham, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 7, 1994 DAR Constitution Hall. D.C. Sass Jordan
Nov. 10, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Center. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan
Dec. 2, 1994 Municipal Auditorium. San Antonio, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 3, 1994 Will Rogers Memorial. Forth Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 7, 1994 Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, NV Sass Jordan
Dec. 9, 1994 Fort Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 10, 1994 Warner’s Theater. Fresno, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 12, 1994 Speckles Theater .San Diego, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 16, 1994 Pantages Theater. Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 17, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 18, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Seattle, WA unknown
Jan. 11, 1995 Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall Portland, OR Sass Jordan
Jan. 15, 1995 Abravanel Hall. Salt Lake City, Utah Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Paramount Theater. Denver, CO Sass Jordan
Jan. 19, 1995 Memorial Auditorium.. Burlington, IW Sass Jordan
Jan. 20, 1995 Memorial Hall . Kansas City, Kansas Sass Jordan
Jan. 22, 1995 Veterans Memorial. Columbus, OH Sass Jordan
Jan. 25, 1995 Wings Stadium. Kalamazoo, MI Sass Jordan
Jan. 27, 1995 Shea's Performing Arts Center. Buffalo NY Sass Jordan
Jan. 28, 1995 Rochester Auditorium Center, Rochester, NY Sass Jordan
Feb. 2, 1995 Washington, DC Sass Jordan
Feb. 13, 1995 State Theater, New Brunswick, NJ. Opening "act"--some lame guitar player from the local college.
Mar. 10, 1995 Abraham Chavez Theater. El Paso, TX Bone Pony
Mar. 11, 1995 Mesa Amphitheater. Mesa, AZ
Mar. 13, 1995 Bren Events Center. University of California. Irvine, CA Bone Pony
Mar. 14, 1995 Santa Barbara, CA Bone Pony
Mar. ??, 1995 San Francisco, CA
Mar. ??, 1995 Warnors Theater. Fresno, CA
Mar. 22, 1995 San Juan, Puerto Rico



Hmm. Is it just me or are the venues a lot smaller than what SP did when he was with Journey? Also, I wonder if these performances were as "intense" as they were during the Journey era? SP got a lot more mellow in regards to vocal output with FTLOSM.
Unfortunately, I didn't get to attend any of these as I was busy raising 2 sons. :wink:

Anyway, how do we "outsiders" know that SP didn't really take care of his voice? I read where he wouldn't talk before Journey performances in order to "save" his voice for the show.


So Whats the bet? :lol:

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Postby Jana » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:54 pm

The article I read by Perry he said he didn't talk after a concert until the next day at soundcheck. Sounded to me like he took care of his voice.

But, again, as I stated before you can't blame Neal for the tour schedule. They were all like that back then in the band. Perry has said he was very driven back then. Jonathan too.
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Saint John » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:54 pm

Purrkat wrote:Hmm. Is it just me or are the venues a lot smaller than what SP did when he was with Journey?

Amazingly, there was very little demand to see him on this tour. He played tiny theaters and I don't think half of them sold out.
Purrkat wrote:Also, I wonder if these performances were as "intense" as they were during the Journey era? SP got a lot more mellow in regards to vocal output with FTLOSM.
Though I never saw him with Journey I can tell you that there was no chemistry with the musicians he had on stage...none. In fact, aside from the bassist (Todd Jensen I believe) I thought the other musicians were terrible!!! The keys sounded awful and the drummer's voice was horrid. They matched his drumming ability. Brewster, while good on some songs, seemed lost during most.

Purrkat wrote:Anyway, how do we "outsiders" know that SP didn't really take care of his voice? I read where he wouldn't talk before Journey performances in order to "save" his voice for the show.
Playing 5 shows in a row at the age of 45 is career suicide. 11 shows in 14 nights is just plain nuts. That is not taking care of your voice. Plain and simple.
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Enigma869 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:56 pm

Saint John wrote:Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.


Dude...you're a Schon apologist. Believe me...when I posted what I posted, I was 100% certain that you would be the first person to stick up for the guy. I understand he loves to tour. He always has and always will. It doesn't mean he has to be a dick everytime he opens his mouth. He should actually show some class, and be grateful for the talent he has, and the good fortune he had of Herbert forcing Perry on him, and his fledgling band, who were about to be out of the music business!

Saint John wrote: The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. :lol: Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.


I don't know if Perry took care of his voice or not, and neither do you! What I do know is that Perry recorded TBF with Journey, after this tour schedule, and he sounded like Perry to me. I know your argument will be "Yeah, but it took 927 takes for each recording". All I know is that my ears recognized the voice I was listening to, immediately. From everything I've read about Perry, the only criticism that anyone could ever possibly have about him "not taking care of his voice" would be his touring schedule with both Journey, and as a solo act. He was never known for reckless behavior, or partying. The reality is that Journey's catalog is not conducive to any singer's voice holding up. Ask Augeri how singing the back catalog worked out for him. I can guarantee you that if Pineda stays with these guys that he too, will experience voice issues. It's not a matter of if....It's a matter of when!


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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Purrkat » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:56 pm

Since 78 wrote:So Whats the bet? :lol:

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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Saint John » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:59 pm

Enigma869 wrote: He was never known for reckless behavior, or partying.
I'm in tears I'm laughing so hard right now.
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Since 78 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:59 pm

Purrkat wrote:
Since 78 wrote:So Whats the bet? :lol:

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Has to be remitted in chocolate. :lol:


You're on! I like Dark! :D
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Postby Jana » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:59 pm

Saint John, I saw clips of the FTLOSM tour on YouTube, and I thought some of the same things you did re the band. It was good seeing him on stage, but it definitely wasn't the same without Journey, yet he sang mostly Journey songs. But he looked very handsome :lol:
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Purrkat » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:00 pm

Saint John wrote: Brewster, while good on some songs, seemed lost during most.


OT for just a sec: Brewster is currently recording "contemporary" Christian music and although I know some of you don't listen to that genre, he IS a very talented musician/singer.

Ok, back to the brawl! :twisted:
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby artist4perry » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:03 pm

Purrkat wrote:
Saint John wrote: Brewster, while good on some songs, seemed lost during most.


OT for just a sec: Brewster is currently recording "contemporary" Christian music and although I know some of you don't listen to that genre, he IS a very talented musician/singer.

Ok, back to the brawl! :twisted:

I am staying out of this one! LOL! I am learning a few things ...........pass the popcorn! I am just a spectator to this show! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Enigma869 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:04 pm

Saint John wrote: I'm in tears I'm laughing so hard right now.



Listen, I wasn't on tour with these guys and neither were you. What I do know is that both Schon and Cain are on record, whining about how Perry was a fucking recluse, holed up in his hotel room, alone, while they were "meeting fans after shows" (i.e. partying with groupies). I thought it was laughable that they criticized Perry, with all the "Elvis has left the building", comments, when the dude probably just needed to bring his vocal chords out of shock mode!


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Postby Saint John » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:06 pm

Jana wrote:Saint John, I saw clips of the FTLOSM tour on YouTube, and I thought some of the same things you did re the band. It was good seeing him on stage, but it definitely wasn't the same without Journey, yet he sang mostly Journey songs. But he looked very handsome :lol:
I was in the front row for 2 shows and he sounded pretty darn good. Not anywhere near Journey level, but he rearranged some of the songs well enough to make the shows special. His band was awful, borderline embarrassing. Perry did a lot of screaming between songs when interacted with the crowd, which I found wasteful. It was a mature crowd and he didn't need to blow out his voice "pumping" the crowd up. We were already pumped. We were seeing Steve Perry!!! I'd give the tour a low B as far as a grade goes. Looking back, I can honestly say that I would rather see Journey with Arnel than Perry with his lineup. Journey with Arnel is simply closer to the original, all things considered. Ideally, I'd like to see Perry return to Journey some day, even it's just for just 1 show.
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Postby Don » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:16 pm

So when Perry was doing blow (allegedly) when Herbie brought him in, do you think that helped him on those insane high notes on Infinity. If your nose is clear does it help your breath control while singing?
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Re: SP and NS--Is it really war or just a game?

Postby Journey/Survivor » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:19 pm

Saint John wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story!

I'm sure he's been a jerk, but I'm also sure they all have. Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.
Enigma869 wrote: He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring.

The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. :lol: Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.

STEVE PERRY
For The Love Of Strange Medicine Released 1994

Oct. 21, 1994 Riverside Theater. Milwaukee, WI Sass Jordan
Oct. 22, 1994 Minneapolis, MN Sass Jordan
Oct. 28, 1994 Taft Theater. Cincinnati, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 29, 1994 Music Hall. Cleveland, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 30, 1994 Arie Crown Theater. Chicago, IL Sass Jordan
Nov. 1, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Auditorium. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 3, 1994 Fox Theater. Detroit ,MI Sass Jordan
Nov. 5, 1994 Stabler Arena. Lehigh Campus. Bethleham, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 7, 1994 DAR Constitution Hall. D.C. Sass Jordan
Nov. 10, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Center. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan
Dec. 2, 1994 Municipal Auditorium. San Antonio, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 3, 1994 Will Rogers Memorial. Forth Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 7, 1994 Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, NV Sass Jordan
Dec. 9, 1994 Fort Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 10, 1994 Warner’s Theater. Fresno, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 12, 1994 Speckles Theater .San Diego, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 16, 1994 Pantages Theater. Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 17, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 18, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Seattle, WA unknown
Jan. 11, 1995 Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall Portland, OR Sass Jordan
Jan. 15, 1995 Abravanel Hall. Salt Lake City, Utah Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Paramount Theater. Denver, CO Sass Jordan
Jan. 19, 1995 Memorial Auditorium.. Burlington, IW Sass Jordan
Jan. 20, 1995 Memorial Hall . Kansas City, Kansas Sass Jordan
Jan. 22, 1995 Veterans Memorial. Columbus, OH Sass Jordan
Jan. 25, 1995 Wings Stadium. Kalamazoo, MI Sass Jordan
Jan. 27, 1995 Shea's Performing Arts Center. Buffalo NY Sass Jordan
Jan. 28, 1995 Rochester Auditorium Center, Rochester, NY Sass Jordan
Feb. 2, 1995 Washington, DC Sass Jordan
Feb. 13, 1995 State Theater, New Brunswick, NJ. Opening "act"--some lame guitar player from the local college.
Mar. 10, 1995 Abraham Chavez Theater. El Paso, TX Bone Pony
Mar. 11, 1995 Mesa Amphitheater. Mesa, AZ
Mar. 13, 1995 Bren Events Center. University of California. Irvine, CA Bone Pony
Mar. 14, 1995 Santa Barbara, CA Bone Pony
Mar. ??, 1995 San Francisco, CA
Mar. ??, 1995 Warnors Theater. Fresno, CA
Mar. 22, 1995 San Juan, Puerto Rico


I was at the Cleveland show. He sounded great that night. I guess I'm lucky that I caught him early on in the tour?
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Postby Saint John » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:19 pm

Gunbot wrote:So when Perry was doing blow (allegedly) when Herbie brought him in, do you think that helped him on those insane high notes on Infinity. If your nose is clear does it help your breath control while singing?


lol...do we have any "blow" experts on this board? Bobbyintn? :lol: Oops...wrong use of the word. :twisted:
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Postby Jana » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:20 pm

Saint John, I didn't realize his schedule was so tight on that tour. I've always wondered if he really got bronchitis and cancelled the rest of the shows or if it was just his voice couldn't handle it. Though, like you said, it seemed to me he lowered a few of the songs. But he sounded good.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:23 pm

Jana wrote:Saint John, I didn't realize his schedule was so tight on that tour. I've always wondered if he really got bronchitis and cancelled the rest of the shows or if it was just his voice couldn't handle it. Though, like you said, it seemed to me he lowered a few of the songs. But he sounded good.
He opened the first show I went to with Only The Young and it sounded like he had a chainsaw stuck in his throat. It got much better after that and was a great show, though. Stone In Love was the only other awful song that I remember. The rest were very good.
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Postby Jana » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:24 pm

Enigma, in all fairness, they were talking about the ROR tour. And it wasn't just that he was protecting his voice. He was isolating himself away from them They felt he didn't want anything to do with them. I think Steve probably had emotional problems then. His mother had died previously. Ross said he would be talking to him and he would just walk away. I mean, something was going on. So I didn't take it that Neal and Jon were whining. Something was definitely off that tour between the guys and Perry.
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:32 pm

Saint John wrote:
Jana wrote:Saint John, I didn't realize his schedule was so tight on that tour. I've always wondered if he really got bronchitis and cancelled the rest of the shows or if it was just his voice couldn't handle it. Though, like you said, it seemed to me he lowered a few of the songs. But he sounded good.
He opened the first show I went to with Only The Young and it sounded like he had a chainsaw stuck in his throat. It got much better after that and was a great show, though. Stone In Love was the only other awful song that I remember. The rest were very good.
I never heard a live clip where he nailed OTYoung.I think he recorded it during Frontiers before his voice was "toast'. I ve heard Augeri and Arnel do it better live.Shame, id love to see a live clip of Perry singing my favorite song
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Postby Arkansas » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:43 pm

Everyting is miscontrued, especially with speculaltive fans. I've never put much stock in all the press. And, I've always thought that no what the angle, all parties can play off of each other.

NS says that he can't talk to SP, except for lawyers...that don't often respond.
SP always says that NS is his favorite/best guitar player.

My opinion is 'all the above'.

I think we (fans) would be extremely naive to think that everyone involved doesn't play off of each other. Bottom line is, this is a business, and the best way to make money is to keep the Journey name in the press...in whatever form, and whatever way.

I've always been of the opinion that any press is good press. And a celebrity's business is to keep themselves in the news. Any popularity, or notariety, keeps their names in the forefront so that next time anyone is in a record store, or just buying the staples in WM, then they'll they think about buy a new album...even if it's a rehash of the GH.

Why does SP always find a way to put out some press blurb, even if he's a reclusive-leave-me-alone type? New music, no music, doesn't matter. It's all about keeping the consumer thinking. Journey's latest was about new music, even if it started as a deal with WM & the GH. But oh btw, there are new songs with a new guy that sounds amazinly good. And since we've got your attention, we'll tell the story about how we rescued him from the Phillipine gutters. Isn't our music so powerful? That's the story being told right now. This isnt' about NS and how he found this guy. The story is about the power of Journey's legacy. It was the music that AP sang on YT. It was the music that saved Journey by finding this guy.

Point is, everyone is raking in the cash for this. And I don't disagree one bit.

If Perry is serious about making new music, then he'd better jump on the bandwagon...for real. He's got a lot to gain.
And they'll each ride off of each other.

Yes, NS and SP might be polarized to an extent. However, there's no way in #ell, that they don't realize the power they've got. In many opinions, Journey will sell better (to a point) as long at they stay apart. Unfortunately, age is a factor. And they've got only so much time to wear-it-all-out and retire it, and/or do a reunion thing to cash in even bigger.

I find it difficult to believe that Journey & SP will let this thing die without the inevitable.


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Postby Since 78 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:47 pm

Arkansas wrote:Everyting is miscontrued, especially with speculaltive fans. I've never put much stock in all the press. And, I've always thought that no what the angle, all parties can play off of each other.

NS says that he can't talk to SP, except for lawyers...that don't often respond.
SP always says that NS is his favorite/best guitar player.

My opinion is 'all the above'.

I think we (fans) would be extremely naive to think that everyone involved doesn't play off of each other. Bottom line is, this is a business, and the best way to make money is to keep the Journey name in the press...in whatever form, and whatever way.

I've always been of the opinion that any press is good press. And a celebrity's business is to keep themselves in the news. Any popularity, or notariety, keeps their names in the forefront so that next time anyone is in a record store, or just buying the staples in WM, then they'll they think about buy a new album...even if it's a rehash of the GH.

Why does SP always find a way to put out some press blurb, even if he's a reclusive-leave-me-alone type? New music, no music, doesn't matter. It's all about keeping the consumer thinking. Journey's latest was about new music, even if it started as a deal with WM & the GH. But oh btw, there are new songs with a new guy that sounds amazinly good. And since we've got your attention, we'll tell the story about how we rescued him from the Phillipine gutters. Isn't our music so powerful? That's the story being told right now. This isnt' about NS and how he found this guy. The story is about the power of Journey's legacy. It was the music that AP sang on YT. It was the music that saved Journey by finding this guy.

Point is, everyone is raking in the cash for this. And I don't disagree one bit.

If Perry is serious about making new music, then he'd better jump on the bandwagon...for real. He's got a lot to gain.
And they'll each ride off of each other.

Yes, NS and SP might be polarized to an extent. However, there's no way in #ell, that they don't realize the power they've got. In many opinions, Journey will sell better (to a point) as long at they stay apart. Unfortunately, age is a factor. And they've got only so much time to wear-it-all-out and retire it, and/or do a reunion thing to cash in even bigger.

I find it difficult to believe that Journey & SP will let this thing die without the inevitable.


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Postby mikemarrs » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:47 pm

what date on this solo perry tour was the memphis show?
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Postby Jana » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:52 pm

Arkansas, you make a lot of good points. But at this stage I don't see then reuniting even for a one-nighter. Time is running out and Perry is sixty and hasn't sung in twelve years. Maybe if the guys weren't still playing with Arnel, but sitting home, he might do a few shows.

But I agree with you, I believe if Perry intends to put out new music now is the time with all the hype this year about Journey, i.e., Sopranos, Arnel being found on YouTube, successful tour and Revelation platinum. It's the best time for him.
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:59 pm

You will never see perry with journey again ever.i bet my last bottle of frigas shitty wine on it
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Postby Arkansas » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:14 pm

Well, just let me say that it's probably not a game, and it's not a war either. I think it's very apparent to everyone involved 'what can be'. And I think that everyone involved knows that it'll take an effort to drop egos. But I also think, that with age/maturity, egos don't really matter much any more. I mean, that's so damned juvenile, no?

It'll take true realization of what can be. And that doesn't mean some marathon tour...like KISS, or The Eagles. They can have that if they want though. (The Eagles show ask is $1.2M !!!)

Journey can still tour however NS (& Azoff) wants in whatever touring troupe they want for however long they want. But to really bring some honor and big-time arena rock to America, they need to pick a few dates...maybe a Las Vegas stand...and do the Perry thing.

Again, if Steve Perry is serious about doing new music, then HE needs this too. It'd be a great catalyst to a new phase of his career.
I can't imagine that current Journey would be opposed to it.


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Postby epoy » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:54 pm

Arkansas wrote:Well, just let me say that it's probably not a game, and it's not a war either. I think it's very apparent to everyone involved 'what can be'. And I think that everyone involved knows that it'll take an effort to drop egos. But I also think, that with age/maturity, egos don't really matter much any more. I mean, that's so damned juvenile, no?

It'll take true realization of what can be. And that doesn't mean some marathon tour...like KISS, or The Eagles. They can have that if they want though. (The Eagles show ask is $1.2M !!!)

Journey can still tour however NS (& Azoff) wants in whatever touring troupe they want for however long they want. But to really bring some honor and big-time arena rock to America, they need to pick a few dates...maybe a Las Vegas stand...and do the Perry thing.

Again, if Steve Perry is serious about doing new music, then HE needs this too. It'd be a great catalyst to a new phase of his career.
I can't imagine that current Journey would be opposed to it.


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Journey Farewell Concert in Central Park, SP and AP on stage, taking turns singing then singing together for 2 hours.............naaaah. Man, i would crawl out of my grave if i was already dead to see this one.
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Postby Arianddu » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:24 pm

epoy wrote:
Arkansas wrote:Well, just let me say that it's probably not a game, and it's not a war either. I think it's very apparent to everyone involved 'what can be'. And I think that everyone involved knows that it'll take an effort to drop egos. But I also think, that with age/maturity, egos don't really matter much any more. I mean, that's so damned juvenile, no?

It'll take true realization of what can be. And that doesn't mean some marathon tour...like KISS, or The Eagles. They can have that if they want though. (The Eagles show ask is $1.2M !!!)

Journey can still tour however NS (& Azoff) wants in whatever touring troupe they want for however long they want. But to really bring some honor and big-time arena rock to America, they need to pick a few dates...maybe a Las Vegas stand...and do the Perry thing.

Again, if Steve Perry is serious about doing new music, then HE needs this too. It'd be a great catalyst to a new phase of his career.
I can't imagine that current Journey would be opposed to it.


later~


Journey Farewell Concert in Central Park, SP and AP on stage, taking turns singing then singing together for 2 hours.............naaaah. Man, i would crawl out of my grave if i was already dead to see this one.


Shit, I'd swim the Pacific to get to that one! Add in Rolie, and I'll walk the Pacific to get there!!
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Postby Sarah » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:19 pm

Is it really war or just a game?


THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT WARGAMES

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Postby escapefan » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:52 pm

Gunbot wrote:So when Perry was doing blow (allegedly) when Herbie brought him in, do you think that helped him on those insane high notes on Infinity. If your nose is clear does it help your breath control while singing?


Never heard that one.
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Postby Purrkat » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:53 pm

All Things SP died tonight.............
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