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[Babyblue]

**Ok, maybe this has been discussed before until it is blue in the face, but I just gotta know since I wasn't here at the time.

After reading an excerpt from an interview with SP that was published in GQ back in May, I was taken aback by the subsequent interview with NS.

SP had no harsh words whatsoever to say about NS, but NS blasted SP all the way to Hades and back.

So, is this really a personal war between 2 proud, stubborn egos or just a publicity ploy?

What say you all?

Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story! He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring. Perry has ALWAYS taken the high road when asked about the midget. Hell, even after all the drama and bullshit, Perry still goes out of his way to talk about what a brilliant musician Schon has always been. Unfortunately, Schon doesn't have any class. I hope Neal keeps burning through lead singers, and if there is any justice in the world, his fingers will fall off! Fuck him!


John from Boston

John you have a great way with words.

[Enigma869]

Anyway, I guess we will never find out why SP and NS can't play together in the sand box................................

Um...I'm quite sure we already know this answer...they fucking HATE each other! It's really not that complicated!


John from Boston

[Saint John]

Anyway, I guess we will never find out why SP and NS can't play together in the sand box................................

Um...I'm quite sure we already know this answer...they fucking HATE each other! It's really not that complicated!


John from Boston

All bullshit aside, I don't think Perry can face these guys alone. Not after the premeditated TBF debacle. That said, I think these guys are one long conversation away from being friends again. They've both made mistakes. Perry was treated like shit for a long time. I just think his means of getting even fucked the fans more than anyone.

[Red13JoePa]

The everlasting torch that is the continuance of the myths of who was/is wasn't/isn't classy burns bright, I see.

[Saint John]

:lol:
The everlasting torch that is the continuance of the myths of who was/is wasn't/isn't classy burns bright, I see.

They're both good classy people. We're debating whether or not they were good bandmates.

[Purrkat]

Hey, we need to get 27 more pages. I am looking forward to my Milk Chocolate with Almonds Godiva candy bar!!!!

[Arianddu]

Hey, we need to get 27 more pages. I am looking forward to my Milk Chocolate with Almonds Godiva candy bar!!!!

Obviously the brawl on BJG's birthdray thread was meant to go here, but it turned left instead of right. I'm sure she won't mind if we yank those pages over here though!

[jrnyjetster]

I think these guys are one long conversation away from being friends again.

You'd think that would have happened after the Hollywood Walk of Fame thing in '05, but it never did...

[Saint John]

I think these guys are one long conversation away from being friends again.

You'd think that would have happened after the Hollywood Walk of Fame thing in '05, but it never did...

Neal invited him to come to the HOB show. Perry was a no show.

[journeyrock]

Enigma, I guess I don't need to ask if you've seen a concert this year.

Nope, you don't I'm too old to be chasing around old, washed up rock bands. I'd rather spend time with my son. It's much more rewarding. I honestly haven't considered the guys who have been touring since 1998 to even be "Journey". I know that most on this board do, but to me they're simply a tribute act, which I'm okay with. I simply connected with Journey's music because of Perry's insane talent, and have always been a passionate fan of the music the band put out. I think Perry, Cain, and Schon were one of the most formidable music trios ever assembled. I simply don't like the way Schon conducts himself and never have.


John from Boston

Thank you John, Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree 100% with every one of your posts on this thread.

[Saint John]

Thank you John, Couldn't have said it better myself.

That's not hard to believe.

[Tito]

Neal is not a jerk. Good man.

[stevew2]

Neal is not a jerk. Good man.

he is not a man

[Enigma869]

Neal is not a jerk. Good man.

I never called Neal a "jerk". I called him a fucking jerk! Put your bong down, dude, and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. I'm beginning to think you're having gay sex with Schon and Cain


John from Boston

[annpea]

I doubt, if we will ever know what's really going on because the music industry has pretty much closed ranks concerning Perry and his association with Neal and.Jon or any other member of journey, no one's talking and probably never will. This is JMO I feel that they probably interact with each other probably more than we will ever be allowed to know about. It would stand to reason that, more interest in journey would be fueled by the old Hatfield and Mccoy shootout hype than the yeah we all hangout together sucking down beers and roasting wennies (that would draw about fifteen people for sure.)

[madsplash]

I agree that they probably have more contact than we know about.

And I also agree that while Neal does look childish by always ragging on Perry, I've also never heard SP say anything bad about ANY member of Journey.

If someone has that in print or audio, please post it.

[Purrkat]

HUH? I didn't hear that.

[Liquid_Drummer]

About Steve and cocaine.. Look at his eyes during any ROR footage. They looked like they were going to shoot out of his head at times.. Thats my opinion and as someone who has done the stuff many times (but not anymore and not for many many years I would say that during ROR tour him and Neal were rolling around in the stuff. That is not what hurt his voice.. Overuse and...........

I have a couple of sources. I have confirmed they were "in the know" in the late 80's. Former writer and a former pr guy.... Both have told me what happened to Perry's voice. They were told second hand but that second hand was damn close to home base.. I can and never will be able to be anymore specific than I am right now...

What is the most common abused drug when people are depressed, stressed or down ? Answer that for yourselves and then find out the effect it has on singers. It is well documented. It started around the time Escape took off. Notice a little weight gain on him after that ? Deeper voice ? Thats all I can say without violating trust..

Anyone like a cold one ?

[Purrkat]

Who cares? I sure don't.



Let's talk about Global Warming instead.....

[Onestepper]

Though I never saw him with Journey I can tell you that there was no chemistry with the musicians he had on stage...none. In fact, aside from the bassist (Todd Jensen I believe) I thought the other musicians were terrible!!! The keys sounded awful and the drummer's voice was horrid. They matched his drumming ability. Brewster, while good on some songs, seemed lost during most.

Completely disagree. I was at a sold out show on that tour, and Perry's interaction/chemistry with Brewster specifically was phenomenal. I saw him 7 times with Journey, and I can tell you I had never seen him have so much fun on stage as I did on his solo tour.

Having said that, FTLOSM still sucks as an album.

[Michigan Girl]

Though I never saw him with Journey I can tell you that there was no chemistry with the musicians he had on stage...none. In fact, aside from the bassist (Todd Jensen I believe) I thought the other musicians were terrible!!! The keys sounded awful and the drummer's voice was horrid. They matched his drumming ability. Brewster, while good on some songs, seemed lost during most.

Completely disagree. I was at a sold out show on that tour, and Perry's interaction/chemistry with Brewster specifically was phenomenal. I saw him 7 times with Journey, and I can tell you I had never seen him have so much fun on stage as I did on his solo tour.

Having said that, FTLOSM still sucks as a album.

Good post (exception bolded). the only SP fronted tour I missed.
This is good to hear!!!

[Tito]

Neal is not a jerk. Good man.

I never called Neal a "jerk". I called him a fucking jerk! Put your bong down, dude, and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. I'm beginning to think you're having gay sex with Schon and Cain


John from Boston

Go to the presidental thread to see my views on that.

[annie89509]

Hey, we need to get 27 more pages. I am looking forward to my Milk Chocolate with Almonds Godiva candy bar!!!!

Here's my contribution, lol.
I don't get why people make it a point to say SP sang mostly J songs on his solo tour. Fact is, he sang 5-6 songs from FTLOSM, plus OSherrie and Foolish Heart ... in every show. That is a good 7-8 songs from his solo career (2 albums). The remainder of his setlist (10 or so more songs) are J songs. But he did make (sang in), up to then, 6 complete albums with them, didn't he? That's a lot of songs to choose from.

BTW, I always loved reading JfromB's posts, going back to BackTalk days. He says a lot of things most Perryfans agree with ... we just don't have the panache to put it the way he does.

[annie89509]

Speaking about the FTLOSM tour, I believe SP made it a point to play small venues for the intimacy (he said as much in the old interviews). It was his way to re-connect with the fans after jumping off the merry-go-round (circus atmosphere) of the Journey machine. No pressures, no stress ... like someone said, he was having fun. Too bad it didn't last .

[peridactyl]

Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.

Dude...you're a Schon apologist. Believe me...when I posted what I posted, I was 100% certain that you would be the first person to stick up for the guy. I understand he loves to tour. He always has and always will. It doesn't mean he has to be a dick everytime he opens his mouth. He should actually show some class, and be grateful for the talent he has, and the good fortune he had of Herbert forcing Perry on him, and his fledgling band, who were about to be out of the music business!

The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.

I don't know if Perry took care of his voice or not, and neither do you! What I do know is that Perry recorded TBF with Journey, after this tour schedule, and he sounded like Perry to me. I know your argument will be "Yeah, but it took 927 takes for each recording". All I know is that my ears recognized the voice I was listening to, immediately. From everything I've read about Perry, the only criticism that anyone could ever possibly have about him "not taking care of his voice" would be his touring schedule with both Journey, and as a solo act. He was never known for reckless behavior, or partying. The reality is that Journey's catalog is not conducive to any singer's voice holding up. Ask Augeri how singing the back catalog worked out for him. I can guarantee you that if Pineda stays with these guys that he too, will experience voice issues. It's not a matter of if....It's a matter of when!


John from Boston

My personal interpretation of why Neal said "Fuck him" about Steve is hurt feelings, basically.

He said it in reference to the fact Steve wouldn't allow any contact ---won't give him a phone number, will only communicate through attorneys.

Over the years when steve retreated he did it ENTIRELY, which felt like a slap in the face to the other band members.
I read that when he was on doing a few gigs after recording Street Talk Jon Cain went to see him and he was refused entry into the building.

I don't think Steve has the same hurt feelings about how he was treated by the rest of the band, but who really knows? For sure he is a more private person and wouldn't air his dirty linen in public if he did.

But his behavior communicates A LOT and he is the one who refuses all contact, which is not just angry but sort of
a discount of the human connection they shared over many years. He essentially erases them.

I love Steve Perry, don't get me wrong. But he can be very difficult, I think......

[EightyRock]

Perry said not long ago that they were great together musically, but they don't get along together as people. that's the most he's ever said about it. He's always gone out of his way to compliment him as a musician. Schon, on the other hand couldn't do an interview in the past without throwing a slam Perry's way. He needs to grow the fuck up and just enjoy all that money Perry's voice allows him to keep making.

[Purrkat]

Old men are boring. Let's talk about guys in their 40's.

[EightyRock]

But why would men their age still act like little boys fighting over a toy?

Maybe they haven't forgotten, but why can't they forgive?

Is it one or the other's fault or maybe it is both?

Questions, questions, questions. But no answers.

Yes, I hear SP can be a butt about things. That is his Portuguese blood from my perspective. Very proud people who won't admit they are wrong.
NS is a hot head of German descent (GAWD I love how people prove their heritage! ) who spouts off at the least little thing, especially if it doesn't go his way.

Anyway, c'mon guys. Kiss and make up. At least before one of you dies and you harbor regret. If you need a mediator, I am for hire.


I can just taste that chocolate bar...mmmm mmmmm.

Don't hold your breath. I don't see that happening...ever.

[Purrkat]

La dee da...............

[strangegrey]

Neal is a fucking jerk, period, end of story!

I'm sure he's been a jerk, but I'm also sure they all have. Neal, for the most part, is just a dude who brings his axe to work and wants to write, record and tour.

He's just pissed because Perry wouldn't keep burning his voice just to satisfy Neal's insatiable desire for touring.

The truth is that Perry has never taken care of his voice. Was Neal responsible for Perry booking this ridiculous tour schedule in 1994 at the age of 45? Take a look at Nov. 14th-27th. At the age of 45, Perry booked FIVE days in a row and 11 shows in 14 nights!!! I don't think Neal booked these gigs for him. Perry has never known how to take care of his voice. This is proof.

STEVE PERRY
For The Love Of Strange Medicine Released 1994

Oct. 21, 1994 Riverside Theater. Milwaukee, WI Sass Jordan
Oct. 22, 1994 Minneapolis, MN Sass Jordan
Oct. 28, 1994 Taft Theater. Cincinnati, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 29, 1994 Music Hall. Cleveland, OH Sass Jordan
Oct. 30, 1994 Arie Crown Theater. Chicago, IL Sass Jordan
Nov. 1, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Auditorium. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 3, 1994 Fox Theater. Detroit ,MI Sass Jordan
Nov. 5, 1994 Stabler Arena. Lehigh Campus. Bethleham, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 7, 1994 DAR Constitution Hall. D.C. Sass Jordan
Nov. 10, 1994 A.J. Palumbo Center. Pittsburgh, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 14, 1994 Albany, NY Sass Jordan
Nov. 15, 1994 Massey Hall, Toronto, ONT Sass Jordan
Nov. 16, 1994 Tower Theater, Philadelphia Upper Darby, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 17, 1994 Central Maine Civic Center. Lewiston, ME Sass Jordan
Nov. 18, 1994 Orpheum Theater. Boston, Ma Sass Jordan
Nov. 20, 1994 Hershey Park Arena. Hershey, PA Sass Jordan
Nov. 22, 1994 Fox Theater. Atlanta, GA Sass Jordan
Nov. 23, 1994 Jacksonville, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 24, 1994 Bob Carr Performing Arts Center. Orlando, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 25, 1994 Sunrise Musical Theater. Sunrise, FL Sass Jordan
Nov. 27, 1994 Mahaffey Theater. St. Petersburg, FL Sass Jordan
Dec. 2, 1994 Municipal Auditorium. San Antonio, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 3, 1994 Will Rogers Memorial. Forth Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 7, 1994 Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, NV Sass Jordan
Dec. 9, 1994 Fort Worth, TX Sass Jordan
Dec. 10, 1994 Warner’s Theater. Fresno, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 12, 1994 Speckles Theater .San Diego, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 16, 1994 Pantages Theater. Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 17, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Dec. 18, 1994 Pantages Theater . Los Angeles, CA Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Seattle, WA unknown
Jan. 11, 1995 Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall Portland, OR Sass Jordan
Jan. 15, 1995 Abravanel Hall. Salt Lake City, Utah Sass Jordan
Jan. ??, 1995 Paramount Theater. Denver, CO Sass Jordan
Jan. 19, 1995 Memorial Auditorium.. Burlington, IW Sass Jordan
Jan. 20, 1995 Memorial Hall . Kansas City, Kansas Sass Jordan
Jan. 22, 1995 Veterans Memorial. Columbus, OH Sass Jordan
Jan. 25, 1995 Wings Stadium. Kalamazoo, MI Sass Jordan
Jan. 27, 1995 Shea's Performing Arts Center. Buffalo NY Sass Jordan
Jan. 28, 1995 Rochester Auditorium Center, Rochester, NY Sass Jordan
Feb. 2, 1995 Washington, DC Sass Jordan
Feb. 13, 1995 State Theater, New Brunswick, NJ. Opening "act"--some lame guitar player from the local college.
Mar. 10, 1995 Abraham Chavez Theater. El Paso, TX Bone Pony
Mar. 11, 1995 Mesa Amphitheater. Mesa, AZ
Mar. 13, 1995 Bren Events Center. University of California. Irvine, CA Bone Pony
Mar. 14, 1995 Santa Barbara, CA Bone Pony
Mar. ??, 1995 San Francisco, CA
Mar. ??, 1995 Warnors Theater. Fresno, CA
Mar. 22, 1995 San Juan, Puerto Rico

Somethings wrong with these tour dates. IIRC, in early november he did two stints at NYs beacon theatre. Am I blind, or are those shows not in here?