Did Journey start a trend for bands to replace their singer?

[bluejeangirl76]

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows.

I wonder if he cried when that happened?

[artist4perry]

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows.

I wonder if he cried when that happened?

I wonder if it was Steve who would not let him in, or his management........We just don't know for sure.

[bluejeangirl76]

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows.

I wonder if he cried when that happened?

I wonder if it was Steve who would not let him in, or his management........We just don't know for sure.

Why would the management care if Jon Cain was there? I mean, I wasn't there, but I can't see anyone else caring whether or not the Frigster was hanging around.

[artist4perry]

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows.

I wonder if he cried when that happened?

I wonder if it was Steve who would not let him in, or his management........We just don't know for sure.

Why would the management care if Jon Cain was there? I mean, I wasn't there, but I can't see anyone else caring whether or not the Frigster was hanging around.

I am just saying we don't know what went on. Tensions were tight between the guys at that time. Sometimes only the parties at hand can know what really went down. It is easy for misunderstandings to happen when people are upset. I guess my point was only the parties involved will ever really know.

[bluejeangirl76]

I guess my point was only the parties involved will ever really know.

And you are 100% right.

*IF* that story is true, there had to be a reason and lord only knows what it is. WE don't. Does not mean that either party is not a classy guy though. Maybe Cain pissed in Perry's flower bed or something. "Dude killed my prized azaleas! Don't let that fucker in here!"

[Saint John]

*IF* that story is true, there had to be a reason and lord only knows what it is. WE don't.

It is true and the reason is that he who cannot be named couldn't face him. Until of course the other members tried to move on then he was ready to record and tour. Well, sort of.

[bluejeangirl76]

*IF* that story is true, there had to be a reason and lord only knows what it is. WE don't.

It is true and the reason is that he who cannot be named couldn't face him. Until of course the other members tried to move on then he was ready to record and tour. Well, sort of.

Whatever. I wasn't there so I don't care. Hey! New motto!

I'm not about to get into a "debate" with you today, I'm in WAY too good a mood.
So I'll let you win this one. Enjoy.

[Saint John]

*IF* that story is true, there had to be a reason and lord only knows what it is. WE don't.

It is true and the reason is that he who cannot be named couldn't face him. Until of course the other members tried to move on then he was ready to record and tour. Well, sort of.

Whatever. I wasn't there so I don't care. Hey! New motto!

I'm not about to get into a "debate" with you today, I'm in WAY too good a mood.
So I'll let you win this one. Enjoy.

I hope you get a flat tire on the way to the concert tonight. Thanks for inviting me (when I was sober).

[Rhiannon]

I hope you get a flat tire on the way to the concert tonight.

Uncool!
If that happens you're so karmically responsible.

Thanks for inviting me (when I was sober).

Tickets are still available, whineyass. Grab Tito. He's secretly hot for Joey, I can tell.

[Enigma869]

I've been to 30+ shows between Augeri, Soto and Pineda and this is simply not true. I'd say that 1 out of every 4 people thinks Perry is still in the band.:

Right, and you'd say that Journey is as relevant now as they were in 1981, so you have zero credibility! I've talked to plenty of people who describe themselves as fans of Journey, and they couldn't tell you who Steve Augeri, Arnel Pineda, Jeff Scott Soto, or even Jonathan Cain are! Also, I tend to take Jeff's word over yours, considering he was actually a member of the band. Hell, he probably did more than 30+ shows in the two months he was in the band! You seem to think that because you're a die hard music fan, that everyone else shares your passion. The reality is that most people are not that into the drama that goes on in any band, unless they truly are a die hard fan of that band. It's truly just music, for most people!

5 men made that music famous, not one.

Well, in reality, it was more than 5, but that will never change the fact that it was just one voice who made the music famous. I definitely agree with you that Schon and Cain were every bit as instrumental. That said, the drummer and the bass player could have been anyone, and it wouldn't have mattered!

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows. Real classy guy.

Right. Perry is just going to come crawling back to that douche Schon, who has been ripping Perry publically, for years! Save the "Perry is welcomed back anytime" BS for someone who actually believes it. The only reason these guys would EVER even consider welcoming Perry back, is because he was their meal ticket, and the reason they actually still have jobs! Perry would be out of his fucking mind to ever even talk to Schon, ever again!


John from Boston

[annpea]

I guess my point was only the parties involved will ever really know.

And you are 100% right.

*IF* that story is true, there had to be a reason and lord only knows what it is. WE don't. Does not mean that either party is not a classy guy though. Maybe Cain pissed in Perry's flower bed or something. "Dude killed my prized azaleas! Don't let that fucker in here!"

I agree BJG, I know I go butt stupid when someone piss in my flower bed.

[Saint John]

Right, and you'd say that Journey is as relevant now as they were in 1981,

I have never said that. What I have said is that they're in the best shape since after Frontiers. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Also, I tend to take Jeff's word over yours, considering he was actually a member of the band. Hell, he probably did more than 30+ shows in the two months he was in the band!

And he was in the crowd for how many of those?

the fact that it was just one voice who made the music famous. I definitely agree with you that Schon and Cain were every bit as instrumental.

You contradict yourself here. A guitar and keyboard can have a voice too, and in Journey's case on the most memorable hits they sure do...which is why when the opening keyboard riff starts to DSB or SW people go fucking nuts. Same with a lot of Neal's solos...kind of like WCN.

Right. Perry is just going to come crawling back to that douche Schon, who has been ripping Perry publically, for years!

The "ripping" came after he who cannot be named hijacked the band, deep sixed it, and completely thwarted them coming back with Rolie and Chalfant. Neal's words were warranted. But I do understand he probably wasn't fun to be around at times, too (Neal).

Perry would be out of his fucking mind to ever even talk to Schon, ever again!

Agreed. Perry has no purpose since he's unable to sing the catalog.

[Tito]

I've been to 30+ shows between Augeri, Soto and Pineda and this is simply not true. I'd say that 1 out of every 4 people thinks Perry is still in the band.:

Right, and you'd say that Journey is as relevant now as they were in 1981, so you have zero credibility! I've talked to plenty of people who describe themselves as fans of Journey, and they couldn't tell you who Steve Augeri, Arnel Pineda, Jeff Scott Soto, or even Jonathan Cain are! Also, I tend to take Jeff's word over yours, considering he was actually a member of the band. Hell, he probably did more than 30+ shows in the two months he was in the band! You seem to think that because you're a die hard music fan, that everyone else shares your passion. The reality is that most people are not that into the drama that goes on in any band, unless they truly are a die hard fan of that band. It's truly just music, for most people!

5 men made that music famous, not one.

Well, in reality, it was more than 5, but that will never change the fact that it was just one voice who made the music famous. I definitely agree with you that Schon and Cain were every bit as instrumental. That said, the drummer and the bass player could have been anyone, and it wouldn't have mattered!

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows. Real classy guy.

Right. Perry is just going to come crawling back to that douche Schon, who has been ripping Perry publically, for years! Save the "Perry is welcomed back anytime" BS for someone who actually believes it. The only reason these guys would EVER even consider welcoming Perry back, is because he was their meal ticket, and the reason they actually still have jobs! Perry would be out of his fucking mind to ever even talk to Schon, ever again!


John from Boston

Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in the world. Schon did not rip Perry until recently and that was long overdue. Schon is not a douche either.

[Enigma869]

And he was in the crowd for how many of those?

Sorry dude. I'm not buying that only 25% of people at a Journey concert believe that Perry is still around. Common sense dictates otherwise. The reality is that more than 50% of the people at any concert (of any band) have no freakin' clue who the lead singer is, or whether or not he has been replaced. People simply don't pay that close attention to these things. I'm sure it is the exact same way at a Foreigner concert, since Gramm departed!

You contradict yourself here. A guitar and keyboard can have a voice too, and in Journey's case on the most memorable hits they sure do...which is why when the opening keyboard riff starts to DSB or SW people go fucking nuts.

It's not a contradiction, at all. I believe that Journey's success is directly attributable to the once-in-a-lifetime chemistry, between Perry, Schon, and Cain. I believe all three men were brilliant musicians. That said, I have always believed that Perry would have been successful on his own, because I think his voice was that unique. As I've said before, his demo tape sounds IDENTICAL to the sound that Journey became known for, and this was long before he was ever introduced to Schon.

Same with a lot of Neal's solos...kind of like WCN.

I really don't think most fans give a shit about Schon's solos. While I happen to love the solo at the end of "Who's Crying Now", the reality is that when that song was a hit, Schon's solo was completely cut out, every time it was played on the pop radio stations, because fans of pop music (which like it or not, is what Journey wrote) simply don't give a shit about guitar riffs, and never have!

The "ripping" came after he who cannot be named hijacked the band, deep sixed it, and completely thwarted them coming back with Rolie and Chalfant. Neal's words were warranted.

There were obviously bad feelings on ALL sides of this relationship. That doesn't justify Neal ripping this guy in public, whenever a microphone is in front of his face. While I think Schon is a brilliant musician, he shouldn't lose sight of the fact that without Steve Perry, there is ZERO chance that he is out on the road right now, making the kind of cash he is making! If for no other reason, he should show a bit more respect, or at least simply offer a "no comment", when asked about the immense shadow he's been chasing for the past 12 years!

Agreed. Perry has no purpose since he's unable to sing the catalog.

What a stupid comment. Perry doesn't lose his "purpose" in life, because he can't sing songs that only mattered 30 years ago! As I've said, ad nauseum here, what Perry can or can't do today, isn't remotely relevant! He did it better than anyone else, when he was doing it, and the last guy who has been impersonated as much as Perry is Elvis! I don't need Perry to come back and sing to validate his greatness any more than I need Barry Sanders to come back to validate his greatness. The history books have recorded both of their bodies of work, and anyone coming after them, isn't going to erase their accomplishments!


John from Boston

[Michigan Girl]

I've been to 30+ shows between Augeri, Soto and Pineda and this is simply not true. I'd say that 1 out of every 4 people thinks Perry is still in the band.:

Right, and you'd say that Journey is as relevant now as they were in 1981, so you have zero credibility! I've talked to plenty of people who describe themselves as fans of Journey, and they couldn't tell you who Steve Augeri, Arnel Pineda, Jeff Scott Soto, or even Jonathan Cain are! Also, I tend to take Jeff's word over yours, considering he was actually a member of the band. Hell, he probably did more than 30+ shows in the two months he was in the band! You seem to think that because you're a die hard music fan, that everyone else shares your passion. The reality is that most people are not that into the drama that goes on in any band, unless they truly are a die hard fan of that band. It's truly just music, for most people!

5 men made that music famous, not one.

Well, in reality, it was more than 5, but that will never change the fact that it was just one voice who made the music famous. I definitely agree with you that Schon and Cain were every bit as instrumental. That said, the drummer and the bass player could have been anyone, and it wouldn't have mattered!

The difference is that they have always said he's welcome to come back at a moment's notice, but he wouldn't even let Jon Cain into the building for one of his shows. Real classy guy.

Right. Perry is just going to come crawling back to that douche Schon, who has been ripping Perry publically, for years! Save the "Perry is welcomed back anytime" BS for someone who actually believes it. The only reason these guys would EVER even consider welcoming Perry back, is because he was their meal ticket, and the reason they actually still have jobs! Perry would be out of his fucking mind to ever even talk to Schon, ever again!


John from Boston

Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in the world. Schon did not rip Perry until recently and that was long overdue. Schon is not a douche either.

+1 on the bolded portion!!

[Tito]

John from Boston, Steve Perry's solo material is medicore at best.

[Enigma869]

Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in the world.

Go away, you Kool-Aid drinking, whacko. Steve Smith is the only member of Journey who was a native of Massachusetts, so I'm certainly not going to rip the guy. That said, I stand by my comment that Journey would have been successful with or without Smith's talents! He wasn't a vital cog in the Journey machine, and neither was Valory!

Schon did not rip Perry until recently and that was long overdue. Schon is not a douche either.

Fuck Schon! The guy is a fucking jerk, no matter how far you want to get your nose up his ass!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

John from Boston, Steve Perry's solo material is medicore at best.

Whatever you say, Frito-Lay from Chicago! The fact that it's "mediocre at best" means that it's still far superior to anything that Journey has put out, without Perry in the band!


John from Boston

[Tito]

Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in the world.

Go away, you Kool-Aid drinking, whacko. Steve Smith is the only member of Journey who was a native of Massachusetts, so I'm certainly not going to rip the guy. That said, I stand by my comment that Journey would have been successful with or without Smith's talents! He wasn't a vital cog in the Journey machine, and neither was Valory!

Schon did not rip Perry until recently and that was long overdue. Schon is not a douche either.

Fuck Schon! The guy is a fucking jerk, no matter how far you want to get your nose up his ass!


John from Boston

How do you know Neal is a jerk. What did he do to you?

That is my only reservation about Smith, I have a bad feeling he's a lib. Smith was instrumental (no pun) in Journey's sound. I give you Back Talk as Exhibit 1.

[Tito]

John from Boston, Steve Perry's solo material is medicore at best.

Whatever you say, Frito-Lay from Chicago! The fact that it's "mediocre at best" means that it's still far superior to anything that Journey has put out, without Perry in the band!


John from Boston

I totally disagree with that. Revelation and Arrival are better than Perry's solo stuff. Generations even comes close to FTOLSM.

[Enigma869]

Generations even comes close to FTOLSM.

Put the fucking crack pipe down, dude! "Generations" is a fucking abortion, and one of the worst albums ever recorded by anyone! The production quality was DREADFUL, and so were the voices of that douche Schon, Cain, and Valory!


John from Boston

[Tito]

Generations even comes close to FTOLSM.

Put the fucking crack pipe down, dude! "Generations" is a fucking abortion, and one of the worst albums ever recorded by anyone! The production quality was DREADFUL, and so were the voices of that douche Schon, Cain, and Valory!


John from Boston

Agreed for the most part but FTLOSM sucked balls too.

Generations had the first 3 songs, She's Gone Crazy, and one maybe two more ok songs.

[bluejeangirl76]

Thanks for inviting me (when I was sober).

I'm not responsible for whether or not you are sober during conversations, sir.

[journeyon31]

I have seen Journey five times since 1999, including the most recent tour with Arnel. As a Journey fan, I liked all the shows, but as time goes on, I am less inclined to go see them. That is because it has become a nostalgia act. Arnel did a great job no doubt, but for us hardcore Journey fans, the band has become way too predictable. I'm not sure how many times I can listen to the "dirty dozen," and this time around, they did not play some of the songs I really wanted to hear (Feeling That Way, Anytime, Remember Me, Who's Cryin' Now), at least in Virginia Beach.

Personally, I thought Heart blew Journey out of the building. Ann Wilson can bring it!

As for the re-records, at first it sounded like a karaoke singer over an under-produced band. They have grown on me a little bit.

With this current formula, and if Arnel can hack it, I see Journey going on for awhile. But I doubt that will include me, at least live.

[Enigma869]

With this current formula, and if Arnel can hack it, I see Journey going on for awhile.

Journey will go on until Schon drops dead or his fingers fall off! I can promise you that if Arnel doesn't hold up, that Schon is ABSOLUTELY guaranteed to keep running lead singers in and out of this band, so long as it allows him to tour his ass off!


John from Boston

[Saint John]

With this current formula, and if Arnel can hack it, I see Journey going on for awhile.

Journey will go on until Schon drops dead or his fingers fall off! I can promise you that if Arnel doesn't hold up, that Schon is ABSOLUTELY guaranteed to keep running lead singers in and out of this band, so long as it allows him to tour his ass off!


John from Boston

Not Schon's fault that these fuckin' rummy singers can't keep up with him!!!