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[SteveForever]

No matter who wins, no one or no thing could be worse than the last 4 years of G.W. Buffoon.

Word...

[Voyager]

No matter who wins, no one or no thing could be worse than the last 4 years of G.W. Buffoon.

I agree. Even McCain would be better than George W. Douche. But Palin... I'm not so sure on that one. It would be hard to imagine anything being worse than Douche... but this woman scares me.

[Rick]

Just Obama, who is neither a whore nor a wife beating drunk.

Yeah, he's just a crack smoker that has chilled with Bill Ayers and his wife, received spritual guidance from Jeremiah Wright and was reared by admitted child rapist Frank Marshall Davis. Woohoo.

From the looks of his wife,

I've seen some women who were beaten with the ugly stick, but this bitch got smacked by the whole fuckin' tree!!!

he's a naturalized Christian American

And Obama's church found it appropriate to give Louis Farrakhan a humanitarian award!!! That's the equivalent of giving Andrea Yates the "Mother Of The Year" award!!!

More exciting news... He doesn't smoke crack, and neither Ayers nor Wright are running for president. He can't help who he was raised by, all he can do is better himself. I'd say that's exactly what he's done and certainly what he's doing.

[Andrew]

No matter who wins, no one or no thing could be worse than the last 4 years of G.W. Buffoon.

I agree. Even McCain would be better than George W. Douche. But Palin... I'm not so sure on that one. It would be hard to imagine anything being worse than Douche... but this woman scares me.

She is scray...I can't believe for a minute she will be a front runner in 2012. C'mon!

[Jana]

Andrew, it is scary, and I'm telling you, go on the internet. There's a very strong possibility she will be the Republican's nominee. Every time I think it's impossible, I talk to people I think would never in a million years be happy about McCain's choice of her as his VP, and they think she's great. It absolutely stuns me. My sister has lost all respect for her husband, not because he's voting strictly Republican, as he always does, but that he has no reservations about Palin. Everywhere I turn highly educated people love her. I thought maybe it was just the far right of the Republican base. I really didn't think anything ever again in politics could make me sick like the re-election of Bush did. But a 2012 Palin election could send me over the deep end.

[Saint John]

What's wrong with Palin? An educated mother of 5 whose been with the same man since high school and she runs a state that has given her an 84% approval rating. And unlike Biden she knows that "jobs" is not a 3 letter word.

[Andrew]

Andrew, it is scary, and I'm telling you, go on the internet. There's a very strong possibility she will be the Republican's nominee. Every time I think it's impossible, I talk to people I think would never in a million years be happy about McCain's choice of her as his VP, and they think she's great. It absolutely stuns me. My sister has lost all respect for her husband, not because he's voting strictly Republican, as he always does, but that he has no reservations about Palin. Everywhere I turn highly educated people love her. I thought maybe it was just the far right of the Republican base. I really didn't think anything ever again in politics could make me sick like the re-election of Bush did. But a 2012 Palin election could send me over the deep end.

Style over substance... Time will sort out the finer points. Aussie media is stunned she's made it this far.

[conversationpc]

Andrew, it is scary, and I'm telling you, go on the internet. There's a very strong possibility she will be the Republican's nominee. Every time I think it's impossible, I talk to people I think would never in a million years be happy about McCain's choice of her as his VP, and they think she's great. It absolutely stuns me. My sister has lost all respect for her husband, not because he's voting strictly Republican, as he always does, but that he has no reservations about Palin. Everywhere I turn highly educated people love her. I thought maybe it was just the far right of the Republican base. I really didn't think anything ever again in politics could make me sick like the re-election of Bush did. But a 2012 Palin election could send me over the deep end.

Give me a break. As much as it shocks you that people like Palin, we're shocked at how many people are actually going to vote for someone like Barack Obama.

[TRAGChick]

Andrew, it is scary, and I'm telling you, go on the internet. There's a very strong possibility she will be the Republican's nominee. Every time I think it's impossible, I talk to people I think would never in a million years be happy about McCain's choice of her as his VP, and they think she's great. It absolutely stuns me. My sister has lost all respect for her husband, not because he's voting strictly Republican, as he always does, but that he has no reservations about Palin. Everywhere I turn highly educated people love her. I thought maybe it was just the far right of the Republican base. I really didn't think anything ever again in politics could make me sick like the re-election of Bush did. But a 2012 Palin election could send me over the deep end.

Style over substance... Time will sort out the finer points. Aussie media is stunned she's made it this far.

Your Media, and one CT Chick

[The_Noble_Cause]

What's wrong with Palin? An educated mother of 5 whose been with the same man since high school

Not true.
At least not so, according to that bastion of journalism the National Enquirer.
Normally I would discount such a supermarket yellow rag outright, but after the John Edwards affair, they have gained credibility.

...and she runs a state that has given her an 84% approval rating.

Which have been progressively tumbling since became the target of a bi-partisan investigation.

[conversationpc]

Style over substance... Time will sort out the finer points. Aussie media is stunned she's made it this far.

Your Media, and one CT Chick

I'm also stunned that people like you are so shocked about her. This is someone who, by all accounts, only ever got involved in politics to begin with because she got pissed at the way the system worked and decided to do something about it. She worked her ass off to root out corruption in her own party and unseated a corrupt, entrenched member of that same part out of the governor's seat in Alaska. She isn't just an empty suit and I'd at least think some would respect her for what she's accomplished, considering where she came from.

Yes, she did come across with the "deer in headlights" look in the Couric interview but, other than that, she's fairly well held her own, in my opinion and isn't any less astonishing in her policy views than Obama is in his (see his views on the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion, for instance).

[conversationpc]

...and she runs a state that has given her an 84% approval rating.

Which have been progressively tumbling since became the target of a bi-partisan investigation.

Haven't they remained in the 68-70% range for a few weeks now?

[Saint John]

If it were Palin or McCain that had these ties to Ayers, Rezko and Wright it would be on the news every minute of every day. Sharpton and Jackson would certainly be marching in protest if a republican had a friend that was part of a group that blew up the fucking Pentagon!!! Not to mention that Ayers' wife, acording to FBI documents, constructed a bomb that killed a police officer. And you people have no reservations about Obama entering their home to kick off his senate run??? And he smugly uses the excuse that he was 8 when it happened. I was young when Muammar Ghaddaffi blew up Pan Am flight 103 but that doesn't mean I'll be having fucking dinner with him anytime soon!!! And if I did I would expect it to be considered a form of treason. Which is what I don't get...I can see the far left anti-American Berkeley nuts orgying in gay sex while burning American flags, but it's disheartening to see everyday working Americans voting for a guy that spent 20+ years in an openly anti-American, anti-white, racist church.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Haven't they remained in the 68-70% range for a few weeks now?

Sixtysomething. It could be alot worse.

[Saint John]

Haven't they remained in the 68-70% range for a few weeks now?

68% in the last poll. Still the best in the land I believe.

[annpea]

I , have finally decided to vote for Obama. Let me say this much; I was undecided for a long time. What won me over was Obama's cool headed response to being personally attacked by MCCain and his pitbull, Palin. I hate it when a canidate stoops to grasping at straws to try and discredit another canidate. (Obama and Biden). What I like also is his Tax plan, The middleclass, and working class folks have been carrying this country on their backs forever; The wealthest segment of this country, has by loopholes and crafty manipulation of the basic tax code have been able to push an unfair burden of the financal support of this country on the working and middleclass segment. It never fails to amaze me that so many of the very people getting screwed want to continue being screwed, by the GOP. The GOP has been in charge for eight long years; and the American people have been getting Buttfucked, and bitch slapped over and over again. I for one don't want anymore of any of this foolishness, I work to hard to keep getting treated like shit in our own country and by our own elected officals. Somewhere WE the people; has become WE the few and everyone else just shut the fuck up and do as we the few say.I want elected leaders who understand that America was built on the voice and backs of ALL the people, and not a select few who think they are the only ones entitled to have a good stable life, a good education, health care and a fair chance at living the American dream that the wealthest get a chance to have while we the working and middleclass don't get to share; even though we by percentage ratio of our outdated tax code carry the biggest burden of supporting the needs of this country including paying the very elected officals who are royally fucking us over.

[Saint John]

I , have finally decided to vote for Obama.

I hope you stub your toe.

The middleclass, and working class folks have been carrying this country on their backs forever;

Huh??? The top 10% pay over 70% of the taxes. The middle class doesn't carry shit!!!

The wealthest segment of this country, has by loopholes and crafty manipulation of the basic tax code have been able to push an unfair burden of the financal support of this country on the working and middleclass segment.

Yeah, ok. The top 1% pays 40% of the taxes!!!

[TRAGChick]

Style over substance... Time will sort out the finer points. Aussie media is stunned she's made it this far.

Your Media, and one CT Chick

I'm also stunned that people like you are so shocked about her. This is someone who, by all accounts, only ever got involved in politics to begin with because she got pissed at the way the system worked and decided to do something about it. She worked her ass off to root out corruption in her own party and unseated a corrupt, entrenched member of that same part out of the governor's seat in Alaska. She isn't just an empty suit and I'd at least think some would respect her for what she's accomplished, considering where she came from.

Yes, she did come across with the "deer in headlights" look in the Couric interview but, other than that, she's fairly well held her own, in my opinion and isn't any less astonishing in her policy views than Obama is in his (see his views on the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion, for instance).

Oh, If you missed this....Take 2:
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It's the stuff that voters need to know: what Sarah Palin really believes.

1. Despite problems at home, Sarah Palin does not believe in giving teenagers information about sex.

The McCain campaign is spinning Bristol Palin's pregnancy as a neat, shiny example of the unbreakable bonds of family. But while Bristol's actions and choices should not be attacked, teen pregnancy is no cause for celebration, either. To state the very obvious, it is not a good thing when teenagers have unprotected sex. And U.S. teens appear to have unprotected sex a lot: The United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the industrialized world, and 1 in 4 American teen girls has an STI.
Like John McCain, Palin's approach to the problems of teen pregnancy and STI transmission is abstinence-only education. In a 2006 questionnaire by the conservative group Eagle Forum, Palin stated: "Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." Presumably the programs that do find Palin's support are ones that focus on abstinence and only mention contraceptives to talk about their supposed shortcomings.

But someone already tried that. For eight years the Bush administration has thrown its heft behind Title V, a federal program that provides states with funding for abstinence-based sex education. In 2007 an expansive study proved abstinence-until-marriage education does not delay teen sexual activity.

If Palin is elected, she will continue to throw money at a policy that does little besides ensure that a larger number of sexually active teens lack information about how to avoid pregnancy and STIs.

2. Sarah Palin believes the U.S. Army is on a mission from God.

In June, Palin gave a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God, her former church, in which she exhorted ministry students to pray for American soldiers in Iraq. "Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she told them. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Palin talked about her son, Track, an infantryman in the U.S. Army:

"When he turned 18 right before he enlisted, he had to get his first tattoo. And I'm like -- I don't think that's real cool, son. Until he showed me what it was and I thought, oh he did something right, 'cause on his calf, he has a big ol' Jesus fish!"

Holy war, holy warriors.

3. Sarah Palin believes in punishing rape victims.

Palin thinks that rape victims should be forced to bear the child of their rapist. She believes this so strongly that she would oppose abortion even if her own daughter were raped.

The Huffington Post reports: "Granting exceptions only if the mother's life was in danger, Palin said that when it came to her daughter, 'I would choose life.'

At the time, her daughter was 14 years old. Moreover, Alaska's rape rate was an abysmal 2.2 times above the national average, and 25 percent of all rapes resulted in unwanted pregnancies.

If Palin's own daughter was only 14 when she made that statement, does she think any girl of reproductive age is old enough to have a child? Girls are hitting puberty earlier and earlier. What if the rape victim were only 10? 9? 8?

Palin also opposes abortion in cases of incest and would grant an exception only if childbirth would result in the mother's death. She has not made any statements yet about whether she believes a 10-year-old who was raped by her father would be able to actually raise the child once it was born. Perhaps Palin doesn't care.

4. Who's really not in favor of clean water? Sarah Palin.

As The Hill reports, "Governor Palin has ... opposed a crucial clean water initiative."

Alaska's KTUU explains: "It is against the law for the governor to officially advocate for or against a ballot measure; however, Palin took what she calls 'personal privilege' to discuss one of this year's most contentious initiatives."

Palin said, "Let me take my governor's hat off just for a minute here and tell you, personally, Prop. 4 -- I vote no on that." And what is that? A state initiative that would have banned metal mines from discharging pollution into salmon streams.

She also approved legislation that let oil and gas companies nearly triple the amount of toxic waste they can dump into Cook Inlet, an important fishery. It looks like being an avid outdoorsperson doesn't mean Palin really has the health of watersheds, natural resources or our environment at heart.

5. Sarah Palin calls herself a reformer, but on earmarks and the "Bridge to Nowhere," she is a hypocrite.

Palin says she's a "conservative Republican" who is "a firm believer in free market capitalism." She's running as an anti-tax crusader, and she did make deep cuts to Alaska's budget.

So, one would assume she is no borrow-and-spend conservative like George W., right?

Well, there was the time when she served as the mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla, Alaska. According to the Associated Press, "Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million." You'd think that $27 mil in taxpayers' funds would be enough scratch for a town with a population of 8,000, but you'd be wrong. According to Politico, Palin then "racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla -- that amounts to $3,000 per resident."

Then there's her current stint as Alaska governor, during which her appetite for federal pork spending has been on clear display. The Associated Press reported, "In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation." While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "Bridge to Nowhere."

6. Sarah Palin believes creationism should be taught in schools.

Until somebody digs up the remnants of a T. rex with an ill-fated caveman dangling from its jaws, the scientific community, along with most of the American public, will be at peace with the theory of evolution. But this isn't true of everyone. More than 80 years after the Scopes "Monkey" trial, there are people -- and politicians -- who do not believe in evolution and lobby for creationism to be taught in schools.

Palin is one of those politicians. When Palin ran for governor, part of her platform called for teaching schoolchildren creationism alongside evolution. Although she did not push hard for this position after she was elected governor, Palin has let her views on evolution be known on many occasions. According to the Anchorage Daily News, Palin stated, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

Palin further argued, "It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. They gain information just by being in a discussion."

Not when those "theories" are being presented as valid alternatives to a set of principles that most scientists have ascribed to for more than a century.

7. Sarah Palin supports offshore drilling everywhere, even if it doesn't solve our energy problems.

If McCain was hoping to salvage any part of his credibility with environmentalists, he threw that chance out the window by adding Palin to his ticket. Palin is in favor of offshore drilling and drilling in the ecologically sensitive Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

The Miami Herald reported:

The Alaska governor has said that she has tried to persuade McCain to agree with her on drilling in the wildlife refuge. She also has said that she was happy that he changed his position over the summer and now supports offshore oil drilling.

As if that weren't bad enough, in her speech this week at the Republican National Convention, she said, "Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems -- as if we all didn't know that already." Huh. I guess drilling even when it won't help is better than working on renewable energy sources, as Palin also vetoed money for a wind energy project.

8. Sarah Palin loves oil and nuclear power.

Aside from her "drill here, drill there, drill everywhere" approach to our energy crisis, the only other things we know about Palin's energy policy, especially given her Bush-like love of avoiding the press, comes from her acceptance speech:

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines, build more nuclear plants, create jobs with clean coal and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal and other alternative sources.

Nuclear power plants. Interesting. As folks look for alternative fuel sources (and again, Palin loves oil first and foremost so her commitment to any alternative energy source is suspect at best), nuclear power is enjoying a return to vogue. But here's the problem: Even the U.S. government's own nuclear agency, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, thinks an atomic renaissance is a bad idea:

Delivered by one of America's most notoriously docile agencies, the NRC's warning essentially says: that all cost estimates for new nuclear reactors -- and all licensing and construction schedules -- are completely up for grabs and have no reliable basis in fact. Thus any comparisons between future atomic reactors and renewable technologies are moot at best.

Not to mention /www.beyondnuclear.org/nuclearpower.html>all the other problems with nuclear energy, such as how to dispose of nuclear waste and the possibility of a catastrophic meltdown, to name a couple. Palin has no background with nuclear energy and shows no evidence of having looked into the science behind it or the dangers that come with it.

Also, it's time for Palin to drop another Bush-like tendency: Governor, the word is pronounced "new-clear."

9. Sarah Palin doesn't think much of community activism; she'd much rather play insider political games.

In her Republican convention speech, Palin slammed Barack Obama's early political work, saying, "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except you have actual responsibilities." Palin's put-down of grassroots workers, often unpaid or low-paid, demeaned an American tradition of neighbors helping neighbors, according to Deepak Bhargava, executive director of the Center for Community Change. But more revealing is Palin's apparent lack of experience in community change and local volunteer efforts, during her years in Alaska before becoming governor.

Scores of press accounts of her early years as mayor of Wasilla omit any mention of such work. Instead, they note as mayor, and in the intervening years before running for governor, Palin gravitated to those with power, money or influence. She worked to enlarge Wasilla's Wal-Mart and build a sports center (that went over budget in an eminent domain dispute), and she hired a Washington lobbyist, directed a political fundraising committee for the state's senior U.S. senator, Republican Ted Stevens, now under indictment for corruption, and steered $22 million in federal aid to her town. While some of her early community work was undoubtedly centered on her church, perhaps this comment by a blog reader best sums up Palin's political opportunism:

So community organizers (aren't) responsible? Or caring? Or doing anything important. What a terrible insult to the greatest community organizer of all time, Jesus Christ.

[Ehwmatt]

I , have finally decided to vote for Obama.

I hope you stub your toe.

The middleclass, and working class folks have been carrying this country on their backs forever;

Huh??? The top 10% pay over 70% of the taxes. The middle class doesn't carry shit!!!

The wealthest segment of this country, has by loopholes and crafty manipulation of the basic tax code have been able to push an unfair burden of the financal support of this country on the working and middleclass segment.

Yeah, ok. The top 1% pays 40% of the taxes!!!

I'll say it again, raise taxes on the rich and they will still be rich, just paying more taxes. The "middle class" will still get screwed.

The real problem is our elected officials do just about everything except represent us. Paying more taxes won't solve that problem.

[annpea]

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quote="Saint John"]If it were Palin or McCain that had these ties to Ayers, Rezko and Wright it would be on the news every minute of every day. Sharpton and Jackson would certainly be marching in protest if a republican had a friend that was part of a group that blew up the fucking Pentagon!!! Not to mention that Ayers' wife, acording to FBI documents, constructed a bomb that killed a police officer. And you people have no reservations about Obama entering their home to kick off his senate run??? And he smugly uses the excuse that he was 8 when it happened. I was young when Muammar Ghaddaffi blew up Pan Am flight 103 but that doesn't mean I'll be having fucking dinner with him anytime soon!!! And if I did I would expect it to be considered a form of treason. Which is what I don't get...I can see the far left anti-American Berkeley nuts orgying in gay sex while burning American flags, but it's disheartening to see everyday working Americans voting for a guy that spent 20+ years in an openly anti-American, anti-white, racist church.

[/quote] These, are the kind of scare tactics that the GOP want the guliable Americans to believe,while they keep robbing you blind and telling you it's for your own good.

[Saint John]

[These, are the kind of scare tactics that the GOP want the guliable Americans to believe,while they keep robbing you blind and telling you it's for your own good.

Which of these facts are you denying? I'm not using any "scare tactics." These are my beliefs. As a life-long resident within the city of limits of Chicago, and having known of Barack Obama for the better part of 15 years since he lives about 7 miles from me I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about. If anyone is going to get "robbed blind" it's going to be working people when Obama gives money to people that pay no fucking taxes.

[Voyager]

Wow... we haven't had any new forum members for the past three days... and then we get 12 new members today after this poll was started. Not one of them has made a post yet.

Hmmm.... I wonder which way they voted?

[Saint John]

Wow... we haven't had any new forum members for the past three days... and then we get 12 new members today after this poll was started. Not one of them has made a post yet.

Hmmm.... I wonder which way they voted?

How did you even notice that shit?

[S2M]

Wow... we haven't had any new forum members for the past three days... and then we get 12 new members today after this poll was started. Not one of them has made a post yet.

Hmmm.... I wonder which way they voted?

14 new members today......

[RossValoryRocks]

It's about time United States citizens make the correct choice. So far the past two terms, we are 0-2. Give Barack a chance, it can be NO WORSE than what the Republicans have already done to us already. Hopefully, we speak up.

Your young...you will learn...

[Voyager]

Wow... we haven't had any new forum members for the past three days... and then we get 12 new members today after this poll was started. Not one of them has made a post yet.

Hmmm.... I wonder which way they voted?

How did you even notice that shit?

I just happened to look at the member list.

[annpea]

I , have finally decided to vote for Obama.

I hope you stub your toe.

The middleclass, and working class folks have been carrying this country on their backs forever;

Huh??? The top 10% pay over 70% of the taxes. The middle class doesn't carry shit!!!

The wealthest segment of this country, has by loopholes and crafty manipulation of the basic tax code have been able to push an unfair burden of the financal support of this country on the working and middleclass segment.

Yeah, ok. The top 1% pays 40% of the taxes!!!

I'll say it again, raise taxes on the rich and they will still be rich, just paying more taxes. The "middle class" will still get screwed.

The real problem is our elected officials do just about everything except represent us. Paying more taxes won't solve that problem.

I, never said they wouldn't still be rich, I have a problem with loopholes and write offs that by overall allow the wealthest to escape fully supporting this country. The workingclass and middleclass don't have all the options that the wealthy have to loophole their way out of paying their fair share. Collectively the middleclass and working class carry the bigger burden, because there are more working and middle class Americans( than wealthy/superwealthy Americans) with less loopholes and write off abilities. We would like some steak too instead of hamburger at the end of day. The taxman comes to the working man first you know; every payday he's sitting at my door; how about you.

[Skylorde]

I'll say it again, raise taxes on the rich and they will still be rich, just paying more taxes. The "middle class" will still get screwed.

The real problem is our elected officials do just about everything except represent us. Paying more taxes won't solve that problem.

I suspect Obama's proposed tax hike will ultimately be rolled onto the back of the consumer in the form of higher prices for goods, services and lower wages. For the businesses that are unable to do that and fold, they take those jobs with them. That's the fallacy of "sticking it to the rich".

[Jana]

I've never said Palin is stupid, not once. I've never said she was an ineffective governor. I've repeatedly stated she is not qualified to be the President of the United States if McCain should die in office. I have no faith in her ability to deal with the war in Iraq, any decisions regarding Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, on and on. I see in her regarding the Iraq war George Bush. Not every governor just because they're a good governor is automatically equipped to be president, i.e., George W. Bush. I have seen nothing in her in any of her interviews, VP debate, rally appearances that shows me that she's Presidential material even if I was a Republican, nor will four years change my mind on her if she decides to run. There's many, many Republicans that even if I don't agree with their stance on certain issues, i.e., McCain on the war, I would never doubt their ability to be Commander in Chief.

And for those of you who are going to tell me that if McCain died in office she could handle Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and all other foreign policy issues just as well as Obama, please. Come on. His deep intellect and grasp of all the issues and even temperment throughout this campaign is impressive. I have faith in him and in his choices for foreign policy advisors, and his decision-making. No faith in Sarah Palin.

[Rick]

It's about time United States citizens make the correct choice. So far the past two terms, we are 0-2. Give Barack a chance, it can be NO WORSE than what the Republicans have already done to us already. Hopefully, we speak up.

Your young...you will learn...

Hey, it's November now, we can take down these ribbons.