OT: God Bless America!

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quote="StocktontoMalone"]I feel the same way this morning that I felt the night Halle Berry and Denzel Washington won best actor/actress....

I've always felt that Obama's popularity stemmed from his color, and that he is the 'vogue' thing to do. Especially win the young hipsters. But seeing how much of a sad, sorry campaign the Repubs ran...it's hard to say that now. I guess it was a combination of both, really.

I will add, however, that I guess I'm glad that he won so we won't have to hear it from the blacks anymore that 'The Man' is keeping them down.

I really wanted Hiliary to win the primaries. And I can definitely say, with 100% certainty, that she lost because of Obama's color. All you have to do is look at how black women voted. Black women are TWO minorities: Women FIRST, then black. I guess they related more with their color than their gender. And that is sad.

We saw history last night. Let's hope that our country and the way we live doesn't become history.

[/quote]What you just said is one of the reasons there will continue to be a divide in this country, you assume to know what a Black woman thinks and that is the worst assumation of all. I as a woman of color can 100% say Hilliary didn't lose because of Obamas' color, I can tell you for a fact it was hard to vote Hillary in because she was not wanted by white men and many white women. I can tell you for sure that after listening to several of my white female coworkers ; I was shocked, I listened to such ugly comments like, She's a bitch, a crook etc.... and I still voted for Hillary as well as a lot of other black women,. When she didn't win I was undecided until I listened again to Obama and that is what got him my vote. Believe it or not we people of color know damn well how to vote for who we want based on the ideas and the qualifications of the candidate running, and believe you me it was the foul treatment by her own that killed Hillary, Why would anyone want to vote for a person that her own race and gender would speak so ill of in front of another race of people; When I would talk about voting for Hillary you would have thought I had said I was voting for satan(But I still voted for her ) I liked Hillary and couldn't understand why her own race and gender didn't. So on to Obama Not because he is black,(which he really isn't since 50% of him is white and 50% of him is black) Technically he is able to represent both races.

[Tito]

I believe that "mulatto" is the term you're looking for

Believe it or not, John, you now get crucified for using that word (mulatto). "Bi-racial" is now the politically correct term. I still prefer "half-breed" myself.

That is correct. Someone called in a local TV show last night and said "mulatto" and the host corrected. It was funny.

[Arkansas]

What about Kenyan-Hawaiian ?
No wait. How about 'American'.


later~

[Rhiannon]

No wait. How about 'American'.

Bingo.
Who cares if he's half android. And while we're on the topic, I'm not sure but I checked his forehead and failed to see a 666 carved in it.

[DrFU]

I believe that "mulatto" is the term you're looking for

Believe it or not, John, you now get crucified for using that word (mulatto). "Bi-racial" is now the politically correct term. I still prefer "half-breed" myself.

Mixed race. Obama is black because that is how he self identifies.

[S2M]

I believe that "mulatto" is the term you're looking for

Believe it or not, John, you now get crucified for using that word (mulatto). "Bi-racial" is now the politically correct term. I still prefer "half-breed" myself.

Mixed race. Obama is black because that is how he self identifies.

He'll self identify with which ever gives him an advantage.....

[Rocker Chic]

Call him white, polka dot, whatever. The politically correct term is "Mr. President".

Actually, the "politically correct" term right now is "President Elect".

[brywool]

Call him white, polka dot, whatever. The politically correct term is "Mr. President".

Actually, the "politically correct" term right now is "President Elect".

ah, crap, yer right. And here I thought I did something witty.

[Enigma869]

The WORLD is looking at this as a good thing. When's the LAST time that happened.

I'm quite sure that we could have elected a fucking muppet and the world would have looked at it as a good thing. I think W. is probably less popular around the world than he is even in this country (which given his putrid favorability ratings is really saying something). I think most people (myself included) view this as addition by subtraction.


John from Boston

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quote="Rhiannon"]

By the way, those tears you saw from Jesse Jackson last night were not tears of joy. Those were tears of sadness because he knows he's out of job. No more race hustling for him. Jesse - You're Fired!

Tito, have you been reading my mind; Now that was a good one.

He and Al both can shut the fuck up now.

[/quote] hopefully.

[Saint John]

Just look at the effect that his winning had on the blacks that were shown last night. They were openly weeping, celebrating, cheering.

A moment to savor for sure, but weeping is way over the line. Let him be defined by his presidency not by merely getting elected. But it was definitely a historic event.

It was a great moment in history.

Time will be the ultimate judge of that.

The WORLD is looking at this as a good thing. When's the LAST time that happened.

Then I'm quite certain that they have their own interests in mind. They never have ours in my mind...ever.

The politically correct term is "Mr. President".

It's actually "Mr. President elect."

[brywool]

The WORLD is looking at this as a good thing. When's the LAST time that happened.

I'm quite sure that we could have elected a fucking muppet and the world would have looked at it as a good thing. I think W. is probably less popular around the world than he is even in this country (which given his putrid favorability ratings is really saying something). I think most people (myself included) view this as addition by subtraction.


John from Boston

If McCain won, the world would've gone "Jeez, here we go again...".

Was watching the returns last night and the camera caught a sign that said "Bush, your fired". While that's a bit classless (as was the booing at McCain's concession speech- which he handled great), I have to admit that it brought a smile to my face.

[Change4Better]

I am not convinced that Obama is the right person, but the first thing I did last night was to call 2 people who argued with me a lot and congratulated them for their candidate.

Whether I like Obama or nor, agree or disagree with his future decisions, he's my/our President now.

[Saint John]

I am not convinced that Obama is the right person, but the first thing I did last night was to call 2 people who argued with me a lot and congratulated them for their candidate.

I did the same thing, but I told them to go fuck themsleves and slammed the phone down.

[Don]

I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

[S2M]

I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

Honestly, he didn't really need to play the race card.... The media, and VOTERS in the primary did it for him. As soon as got the Dem nom. He was assured the presidency.

[brywool]

I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

He did use the "We will get there" line a bit which I felt was a reference to King's speeches (we may not get there today... or whatever the line is). Yeah, I'm with you on Jackson and Sharpton. Somebody here (Tito?) said Jesse was crying because he was out of a job. Pretty funny. I think that the fact that he ran WITHOUT making race the focus was great. Had he done that and talked about "bringing our people together, etc." it would've cost him.

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quote="Gunbot"]I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

[/quote] The healing has started with this election. Black Americans will let go of a great deal of pain and anger because of this. Please let the healing start, let us trust in the judgement of the American people to stand behind what has occurred and what can possibly occur in the next four years. This great thing that has occurred will allow our children to believe that they can now strive for a better life and work for that better life and not depend on handouts, become productive citizens and taxpayers with confidence and self awarness, and proudly give all that they can for a country that has shown them that they do count.

[Don]

quote="Gunbot"]I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

The healing has started with this election. Black Americans will let go of a great deal of pain and anger because of this. Please let the healing start, let us trust in the judgement of the American people to stand behind what has occurred and what can possibly occur in the next four years. This great thing that has occurred will allow our children to believe that they can now strive for a better life and work for that better life and not depend on handouts, become productive citizens and taxpayers with confidence and self awarness, and proudly give all that they can for a country that has shown them that they do count.

Are you black? the reason I'm asking is because, having never walked in a black person's shows, I can't say anything about healing or letting go of a great deal of pain and the other things you mentioned. One thing I do understand is that the different minorities in the U.S. are all on separate tiers, none actually treated the same way as the others.

[AlteredDNA]

I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

The healing has started with this election. Black Americans will let go of a great deal of pain and anger because of this. Please let the healing start, let us trust in the judgement of the American people to stand behind what has occurred and what can possibly occur in the next four years. This great thing that has occurred will allow our children to believe that they can now strive for a better life and work for that better life and not depend on handouts, become productive citizens and taxpayers with confidence and self awarness, and proudly give all that they can for a country that has shown them that they do count.

I hope you're right. However, I listened to several callers this morning on local talk shows that are dismayed that racism is "alive and well" down here (Louisiana), since all the states didn't go for Obama.

I agree that our children should believe that they can strive for anything in this country - that's a fundamental part of being American, not unique to this election. However, I fear that the redistribution attitude will cause more people to become not only dependant, but actually expectant that the government provide for them. I truly hope I'm wrong, but nothing in Obama's past actions or words support anything different.

[Ehwmatt]

I hope you're right. However, I listened to several callers this morning on local talk shows that are dismayed that racism is "alive and well" down here (Louisiana), since all the states didn't go for Obama.

I agree that our children should believe that they can strive for anything in this country - that's a fundamental part of being American, not unique to this election. However, I fear that the redistribution attitude will cause more people to become not only dependant, but actually expectant that the government provide for them. I truly hope I'm wrong, but nothing in Obama's past actions or words support anything different.

There won't be as much healaing as you think, as evidenced by that caller. Nothing will ever be good enough to repair things totally in many's eyes, on both sides.

[annpea]

quote="Gunbot"]I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

The healing has started with this election. Black Americans will let go of a great deal of pain and anger because of this. Please let the healing start, let us trust in the judgement of the American people to stand behind what has occurred and what can possibly occur in the next four years. This great thing that has occurred will allow our children to believe that they can now strive for a better life and work for that better life and not depend on handouts, become productive citizens and taxpayers with confidence and self awarness, and proudly give all that they can for a country that has shown them that they do count.

Are you black? the reason I'm asking is because, having never walked in a black person's shows, I can't say anything about healing or letting go of a great deal of pain and the other things you mentioned. One thing I do understand is that the different minorities in the U.S. are all on separate tiers, none actually treated the same way as the others.

I am, and the healing I speak of is coming from the white Americans who have shown the people of color in this country and the world as a whole that racism is not a barrier in this country as it was in the past; Yes I am aware that racism does still exist and probably always will to some degree, but now it will be easier for people of color to look at the white race in America and think twice before thinking all white people are racist and trying to hold us back. When I watched all the people cheering for Obama, and especially the white people I was so filled with joy I cried like a child. I said to my husband " Can you believe, In our lifetime this has happened what this says to the whole world? that the American people can come together as one."

[annpea]

I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

The healing has started with this election. Black Americans will let go of a great deal of pain and anger because of this. Please let the healing start, let us trust in the judgement of the American people to stand behind what has occurred and what can possibly occur in the next four years. This great thing that has occurred will allow our children to believe that they can now strive for a better life and work for that better life and not depend on handouts, become productive citizens and taxpayers with confidence and self awarness, and proudly give all that they can for a country that has shown them that they do count.

I hope you're right. However, I listened to several callers this morning on local talk shows that are dismayed that racism is "alive and well" down here (Louisiana), since all the states didn't go for Obama.

I agree that our children should believe that they can strive for anything in this country - that's a fundamental part of being American, not unique to this election. However, I fear that the redistribution attitude will cause more people to become not only dependant, but actually expectant that the government provide for them. I truly hope I'm wrong, but nothing in Obama's past actions or words support anything different.

Let, me say African American people have never wanted to be dependant, we have always wanted just an equal chance to stand on our own feet. An equal chance to be properly educated to live in a good neighborhood, to earn decent income, to afford good healthcare for our children. to be able to give them a good life, to see them smile and be happy and safe in this Country to walk or drive down a street and not be profiled and not be hurt or harmed because of the color of their skin.

[Sarah]

I'm really just praying he doesn't get assassinated by some crazy racist fuck (or anyone of course)

[brywool]

Just look at the effect that his winning had on the blacks that were shown last night. They were openly weeping, celebrating, cheering.

A moment to savor for sure, but weeping is way over the line.

I don't think that's for us white folks to say bro. I really don't. Jeez I'm an old white dude and I was choked up at certain points.

Let him be defined by his presidency not by merely getting elected.

Ultimately, that's what'll happen. But for now, this is something to savor (as far as I'm concerned).

It was a great moment in history.

Time will be the ultimate judge of that.

Nah... it WAS a great moment in history and that moment stands alone. Now, we have to see what he does with his presidency. That may or may not be great, but last night's moment really doesn't have anything to do with that.

The WORLD is looking at this as a good thing. When's the LAST time that happened.

Then I'm quite certain that they have their own interests in mind. They never have ours in my mind...ever.

If their own interests include 'getting the US and their countries out of a sham war' then that's an interest many here share and that's a good thing to be interested in. If it means that now America will be more open to talking with other countries diplomatically, that's also a good thing them. If it means fixing the economy, that's also a good thing for them. I believe that last one will be the most difficult.

The politically correct term is "Mr. President".

It's actually "Mr. President elect."

yeah, somebody else nailed me on that- crap!

[Saint John]

Let, me say African American people

God I hate that term. I'm not European American and you're not African American!!! Black American is the proper term. Thanks.

[AlteredDNA]

I lifted this from the BBC. If Obama played any kind of race card, it was the white one.

"Barack Obama has not spoken much about the struggle for black equality, nor the tumultuous decade into which he was born.

Go through his speeches, and you will find little mention of the civil rights era.

For to become a history-defying candidate he has been something of a history-denying figure. The strategy throughout has been to de-emphasise his race.

A quirk of scheduling and a quantum leap of history meant that Mr Obama delivered his acceptance speech in Denver on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech.

But even then, Mr Obama did not mention Dr King by name, referring to him instead as the "young preacher from Georgia".

To me, he appeared to slam the door on Jackson and Sharpton. I expect in a year or two, they will be all over him as an Uncle Tom, such is their way.

The healing has started with this election. Black Americans will let go of a great deal of pain and anger because of this. Please let the healing start, let us trust in the judgement of the American people to stand behind what has occurred and what can possibly occur in the next four years. This great thing that has occurred will allow our children to believe that they can now strive for a better life and work for that better life and not depend on handouts, become productive citizens and taxpayers with confidence and self awarness, and proudly give all that they can for a country that has shown them that they do count.

I hope you're right. However, I listened to several callers this morning on local talk shows that are dismayed that racism is "alive and well" down here (Louisiana), since all the states didn't go for Obama.

I agree that our children should believe that they can strive for anything in this country - that's a fundamental part of being American, not unique to this election. However, I fear that the redistribution attitude will cause more people to become not only dependant, but actually expectant that the government provide for them. I truly hope I'm wrong, but nothing in Obama's past actions or words support anything different.

Let, me say African American people have never wanted to be dependant, we have always wanted just an equal chance to stand on our own feet. An equal chance to be properly educated to live in a good neighborhood, to earn decent income, to afford good healthcare for our children. to be able to give them a good life, to see them smile and be happy and safe in this Country to walk or drive down a street and not be profiled and not be hurt or harmed because of the color of their skin.

I don't think that's an accurate statement for ALL blacks, or even ALL Americans, for that matter. There is a dependant class in this country that is more than content to stay that way. My hope is that Obama's policies don't cause this group to increase in number.

[brywool]

I'm really just praying he doesn't get assassinated by some crazy racist fuck (or anyone of course)

or some government operative who finds him "in the way".
I have to say that last night, I was completely expecting something like that and I was actually on edge about it. I imagine that I will any time the guy speaks in public. I also believe that there's a big chance of that kind of thing. As horrible as that is, it just seems to be how things work.

Ghandi
Kennedys
King
Lennon
etc.

Anybody that preaches peace and understanding it seems is a target. Scary stuff.

[Skylorde]

Then I'm quite certain that they have their own interests in mind. They never have ours in my mind...ever.

Brilliant point SJ.

[stevew2]

that's real white of you dave

seriously, very cool.

Now what I'm really hoping is that race pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will go away for awhile.

Really,did you see Jackson crying, 2 months ago he was saying he wanted to put his foot up his ass. Very cool acceptance speech. He ll do fine.Better than the dickwad we have know.Tito could do a better job than Bush