First-hand accounts of Journey TBF-era initial rehearsals?

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Postby annie89509 » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:24 pm

JeremyP wrote:Originally posted by AlienC (I don't think he'll mind me quoting him here):


A couple of points for clarification.
#1. Journey's rehersal space was the original rehersal hall, first occupied by Larry Graham (Graham Central Station) Journey moved in afterwards, then moved out in late 80's. It was then housing Neal's stuff and recording studio. It was first run by Hawkeye, Neal's tech from the glory days. Then he was fired and a couple of mob types slithered in under false pretenses, running the studio, pocketing the cash, and never paying rent. When they were evicted (finally) Neal took over operations again, and that's when I was hired to do a renovation and overhaul on the studio. Neal re-openend the studio for public use, we booked out to Tracy Chapman for over a year, and then it was Journey time again.

#2. When they first played together again, they jammed on some standard rock tunes, before going into the Dirty Dozen. I taped every minute of those sessions and the tapes were last in the possession of management, gathered together with the Masters and other detrius from the writing sessions.

There was some transposing of keys for the Journey songs, necessitated by the shift (down) in range of SP's voice. This was my first indication that there would be "resistance" to playing those particular songs, by a specific entity.They do not sound the same when dropped more than 2 whole steps, and everyone knew it.

The coolest songs from those warm up jams ( they did that every morning to knock off the sleepy eyes) were the Led Zep covers and the Hendrix covers. Smitty went in "drum clinic" mode when explaing to the band how Bonham's "lazy hand" technique is essential to the Zeppelan sound. I had a copy of that but the master tape was eaten by an errant deck during transfer ( pre- omnipresent CD burning days) Needless to say the Hendrix tunes ( All along the Watchtower and Manic Depression } were stunningly brilliant.

It was a high point in my life to have been associated and involved with such creative minds. Such creativity is essential to life as far as I'm concerned.

It's too bad they aren't able to express it more openly.

Wow, cool find on this AlienC post, JeremyP ... never read this before. I remember another one from Allen talking about the J-boys playing in an isolated studio room, as they were recording for TBF ... and having the magical sounds vibrate out onto the patio deck as some crew members were out there eating lunch. Brought a smile to my face.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:59 pm

Tomulator wrote:I've heard that you've put 1,5 million dollars of your own money to be able to finish the album?

SP: I've put some of my own money into the project, but I don't want to say how much or why. It's private.

Another rumour is that you one day got so angry in the studio that you destroyed a synth worth 3000 dollars. In it was samplers Jimbo Barton made for the next Queensryche album, which made Jimbo so angry he left the studio. You're supposed to have rushed after him, caught up on him in the street and apologized and begged him to come back...

SP: Not true! It was a computer I broke, and it had nothing to do with Queensryche. I lost patience when we couldn't agree about something we'd disagreed about for a long time.


Wow.

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Postby Tomulator » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:34 am

Where is AlienC ??

I would love to hear more "recollections" from those sessions...

Why can't there be "leaked" tapes on this one??!!!!

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Postby Saint John » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:39 am

Tomulator wrote:Where is AlienC ??

I would love to hear more "recollections" from those sessions...

Why can't there be "leaked" tapes on this one??!!!!

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I agree. Allen needs to shed some more light on this topic. He's the only one I know of willing to offer a first hand account.
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Postby peridactyl » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:54 am

Tomulator wrote::shock:



Long Missing AOR-GOD Makes A Miraculous Comeback

Metal Zone, January 1995
Joergen Holmstedt
Transcribed from Swedish by Ozzie, have mercy on my grammar and spelling!

The phone rings and the voice is undoubtedly his,

SP: It's nice to be back.

Wow, where do I start? Here's God himself on the line and I'm bursting with questions that I've collected during the years. Let's start with the obvious: Why has it taken so long to make this soloalbum?

SP: The album only took about 8 months to make. It took me longer to come to an honest answer if I really needed to make another album. It has to be done with passion, or not at all.

What was the turning point? (SP takes a deep breath)

SP: It was a long turning, not only one thing. Slowly I realized I'm a vocalist and that I want to sing. I wasn't sure about that for a while. I was so tired of most things.

Yes, it's easy to suspect that you've spent a lot of time on the darker side of life. Not least throu the lyrics-

SP: First my mother dies during the recordings of "Raised on Radio", Journeys last album. After that I had to finish it, mix it, rehearse for the tour and then do the tour. After the last concert in Alaska I was emotionally exhausted. You can't heal your wounds on tour. I had to get off. After that my granddad got cancer. I spent the last 8 months of his life with him. When I thereafter started started to write songs again - I don't want to say they were datk, but melancholic. I always write from what I feel.

The only thing I don't like about "FTLOSM" is the vocal production. Your voice doesn't need that distortion.

SP: Ehh, I think much of that comes from my voice sounding rougher today. It's no longer that little (starts to sing) "lyiiiing beside youuuuu...", that Journey-voice wouldn't work with this material.

But the record sounds very much like Journey.

SP: What? You think so? You're joking!

No I think it's a natural follower to "Raised On Radio", just a bit harder.

SP: Wow. Well, I'm just who I am.

During the years SP has been working with several people whoms tunes aren't on the album. Old writing partner Randy Goodrum ("1988-89 some time, one of the first people I wrote and recorded with since I started to come back to music again"), super hit maker Mark Spiro ("I love some of the songs we made the summer 1992"), ex Baby-drummer Tony Brock ("we worked 1991-92 some time"), Alice Cooper's first guitarist Dick Wagner ("we wrote 2 songs 1992"), Peter Collins ("he produced for a while 1991-92 but it didn't work out as good as with Jimbo Barton") and Extreme-guitarist Nuno Bettencourt ("one of the songs - "Always" - is absolutely wonderful").

Although it's been said that much of this material been so bad that the record company refused it, Steve says many of the songs are great.

SP: I plan to release at least 3 of them as bonus-tracks on every single off the album. Neither he wants to admit the stories about the record company refused to release several finished albums made since Journey. - I've had a finished product but never delivered anything to the record company. I make lots of recordings - then I pick the best.

I've heard that you've put 1,5 million dollars of your own money to be able to finish the album?

SP: I've put some of my own money into the project, but I don't want to say how much or why. It's private.

Another rumour is that you one day got so angry in the studio that you destroyed a synth worth 3000 dollars. In it was samplers Jimbo Barton made for the next Queensryche album, which made Jimbo so angry he left the studio. You're supposed to have rushed after him, caught up on him in the street and apologized and begged him to come back...

SP: Not true! It was a computer I broke, and it had nothing to do with Queensryche. I lost patience when we couldn't agree about something we'd disagreed about for a long time. I never asked him to stay, instead we took a break in the recording-sessions. During this time I tried some other people. But in the end we agreed on continuing, Jimbo and I.

The song "Anyway" seems to be about the time around Journey falling apart. What do you mean when you sing "I'd like to make amends"?

SP: That I want to beg for forgiveness for my part of the craziness in the end. I wasn't Mr. Perfect, but none of the others were exactly angels either. It's all a very complex story...

"Wounded but alive, lost in my insanity, escaping to survive" you sings in the song. Is that how you experienced the last time in Journey?

SP: I wounded myself. Everyone does I think. Life was so hard then, with my mother passing away and granddad getting worse. After the last tour I had to escape it all. But I'd like to add that I'm not complaining. The time with Journey was the best time of my life.

How do you think your old bandmates will react on the song?

SP: Positive! It's a memorysong with origin in our greatest moments. Or do you find it negative?

No, cause you sing "brothers till the end". It seems like you want to leave the old stuff behind you.

SP: We had a fantastic friendship in the band - we were as close as a battlefield troupe. But we lost the commonship. I don't know if we'll ever get it back, just that it all depends on what we'll do and don't do to each others and Journey.

Of course you know that Neal Schon, Jon Cain, Ross Valory & Steve Smith tries to put together a new Journey with vocalist Kevin Chalfant right now?

SP: I've heard the rumours.

What do you think of it?

SP: I don't know. It's up to them.

So you don't mind?

SP: I have no comment on it right now. I think it's the best way for me. They have to do what they believe they need to do.

They say you don't want to be in on it, they have to do it without you. (Perry gets upset for the only time during the interview, he raises his voice):

SP: My friend! (deep breath) I'll tell it to you very clear. I left that band after 10 years, ok? It'd been perfect for me to immediately make it as a solo-artist, but I didn't, because my reasons to quit was emotional.

They continued and did what they had to do. What they're doing now they are doing because they want to. It has nothing to do with me. To say that would be as I'd tell you 'you have to marry that girl or she'll marry someone else'.

SP: During the time I've spent looking for the passion to make this album, they've been able, had the freedom, to make every album they've wished to make. I just can't get off my solo project and make the people I've worked with disappointed. I have to give it all for this album, as with everything I did with Journey. I gave Journey everything for 10 years, doesn't that count for something?

So what you mean is that you can't see a reunion in the future?

SP: It depends on what we're doing and not doing until then, to Journey and our selves.

In other words: No hard feelings like the case with for example Black Sabbath and Ronnie James Dio, when he first left the group. If everyone involved keeps clean the extremely popular "Escape"/"Frontiers" line-up might come alive sometime in the future...

It's easy to understand that Steve Perry with great interest will watch the other guys trying to reform Journey without him, and to see the result.

During the time he wants to get out on the roads with his solo-band. They're Lincoln Brewster (23 years old, until now, unknown who plays on the album), Paul Taylor (ex Winger keyboard player who did most of the stuff on the album), Moyes Lucas (the drummer from the album) and Todd Jensen (bass player from Hardline, Neil Schon's (ex)band).

SP: Towards the end of the year we hope to be out on the roads. I know I haven't been in Sweden since 1978, and I'd love to come back. It's one of the most beautiful places in the world, Steve Perry thinks.

Steve Perry's favorite Journey albums:

1. "Raised On Radio"

SP: We took some chances here. The result came out very well but wasn't too successful. That's why the people involved seldom talks about this album. An successful album have lots of parents - but a failure has none.

2. "Frontiers"

SP: Another interesting development to the band. We became more aggressive than during "Escape". The papers gave it bad reviews, but I'm still proud of this album.

3. "Escape"

SP: A very good album and the first one with Jon Cain in the band. A fresh start for something new with Journey that became very, very successful.

SP: Another favorite-album is "Street Talk", my first solo-album.



Tomulator: thanks for posting this. It has to be the most honest interview bv and about Steve Perry I've read. He actually comes off as a human being rather than a bunch of cliches. That's novel.
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Postby Tito » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:21 am

Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


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Postby Voyager » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:25 am

Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he gave us what he was capable of giving. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour or record with Journey anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis. Arnel is doing just fine continuing his legacy.

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Postby Tito » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:28 am

Voyager wrote:
Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he did what he did. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis.

8)


Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:30 am

Tito wrote:
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Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he did what he did. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis.

8)


Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.
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Postby Voyager » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:34 am

Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


I agree. The older stuff is awesome, but it never really made it into the mainstream.

I understand why people get pissed at Perry. It's not because they don't like what he did - it's because they liked it a lot and just wanted it to continue. It's hard to understand what is going on in his head. Personally I think he is a tormented individual who struggles with being a public figure. He obviously wants to have a private life and doesn't want to be in the spotlight anymore... because if he did, he could have it overnight.

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Postby Tito » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:37 am

stevew2 wrote:
Tito wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he did what he did. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis.

8)


Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.
It is why you are hear


Absolutely, it is why I am HERE. Don't get me wrong I like the '78-'80 era and in small doses pre-'78 but the main reason I have the entire catalog is the '81-present era i.e. Cain era.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:47 am

Tito wrote:
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Tito wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he did what he did. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis.

8)


Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.
It is why you are hear


Absolutely, it is why I am HERE. Don't get me wrong I like the '78-'80 era and in small doses pre-'78 but the main reason I have the entire catalog is the '81-present era i.e. Cain era.
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Postby Tomulator » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:31 am

Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


It did?

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Postby kat1994 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:34 am

What about all the "lost" recordings - pre ROR album? (I am trying to recall from memory) "Fantasy Studios" and the seizure by law enforcement (around 85). Does anyone have additional information on that?
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Postby Tomulator » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:40 am

kat1994 wrote:What about all the "lost" recordings - pre ROR album? (I am trying to recall from memory) "Fantasy Studios" and the seizure by law enforcement (around 85). Does anyone have additional information on that?


Welcome kat.

What "lost recordings"???

Never heard of them.

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Postby Don » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:44 am

Tomulator wrote:
Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


It did?

:wink:

Even if Revelation wasn't that great of an album, it did propel the group's back catalog of CD's and DVD's back up the charts, which has made money for the new and old members and their old label, Sony.

And in the end, it's all about making money.
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Postby tammy » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:49 am

Tito wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


I'll do the honors: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu2iNiso ... re=related


Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he did what he did. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis.

8)


Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Not really. I was hooked by Infinity and would chose that one as my "pick one album on a deserted island". I prefer the songs that weren't all over the radio. Yes, I love them all, and my fave J. song is STR, but the earlier stuff has more of the intangible, mysterious vibe...which reminds me - gotta pull out "Dream after Dream".
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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:57 am

Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Jon Cain is responsible for everyone's conception? :shock:
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Postby Tomulator » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:08 am

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Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Jon Cain is responsible for everyone's conception? :shock:



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Postby Tito » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:10 am

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Tito wrote:Poor teammate. I understand him wanting to try but if he knew he didn't have the gas to sing and tour, he should've done what most people would've done and make the tough decision to say "I can't do it anymore, I retire." He basically did this twice already. 1987 and 1996. 1987, everyone gave him but 1996 was selfish. He made the band fire the manager, prevent a new lineup (w/Chalfant & Rolie '94/'95) from starting, and stalled them in '96. He retired alright but he took everyone down with him. Plus, he still jerks everyone around, fans included, with his "I've thought about recording and touring and it crosses my mind daily" shit. Just say "I'm not performing or recording ever again." If by some slim chance he did comeback, I don't think anyone would be mad and say you're a liar and you can't come back. What a jagoff.

The thing he found out fortunately was Journey is bigger than one man. It did survive.


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Steve Perry is obviously a very unique and complex individual. I'm just glad he did what he did. Otherwise we may never have even heard of Journey. Yes, it's sad that he doesn't want to tour anymore. Yes, he was given too much control over the band and apparently wasn't able to handle it. But he gave us some great music, which I still enjoy in my CD player on a regular basis.

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Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Not really. I was hooked by Infinity and would chose that one as my "pick one album on a deserted island". I prefer the songs that weren't all over the radio. Yes, I love them all, and my fave J. song is STR, but the earlier stuff has more of the intangible, mysterious vibe...which reminds me - gotta pull out "Dream after Dream".


Giood albums but you would've been here by yourself. In fairness, the forum would be as active as the Danger Danger forum.
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Postby Tito » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:11 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Jon Cain is responsible for everyone's conception? :shock:


'81 and after -yes. I'm sure there are a few Journey babies out there. Edit: NOT FROM BAND MEMBERS THEMSELVES! I'm talking because of the songs.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:10 am

Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain.


Barf. Because he is so great and had SO much solo success, right? :roll:

LTS was the first top 20 song and not only was Cain nowhere near it, the ONLY writing credit goes to... who was it now? Some guy with long hair and beak, I'm told. They'd have never charted without him and everyone knows that.

Look, no one is denying Cain's contribution here - I like his playing a lot and musically, he was a good choice for Journey - but you make him sound like one and only saving grace of that band and he isn't. Their highest charting hit only did so because the aforementioned Beakon took a piece of instrumental music that John Waite said was shit and put his lyrics and VOICE to and turned it into a song that took virginities left and right.

I still prefer the older sound with Rolie though.
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Postby annie89509 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:59 am

People like to throw in the “Journey would have reformed with Kevin C and Gregg R if only” hypothesis, blaming SP’s ego for derailing the project … or worse, that it was all premeditated. How about looking at it this way:

After the 3 of them played at the Bill Graham Memorial (Nov ’91), Neal/Jon really thought SP was ready to come back to Journey. Instead, Steve branched out on his own solo project – FTLOSM album and tour. To get even, and as extra incentive to get SP to crawl back, they started the Kevin new singer rumors. Look at the Swedish interview post by Tomulator above. The behind-the-scenes haggling is all there (reading between the quotes).

I don’t doubt they got together. Kevin has said he had stuff put away in his sock drawers. But … if indeed there were substantial stuff, i.e., songs co-written in his time with the J-boys, wouldn’t Kevin have finished it and released them? Imagine ... the notoriety … “songs co-written by Kevin Chalfant and the band Journey.” And, if Neal/Jon were so keen in having Kevin in the band, why didn’t they offer him the job back in ’97?

Also, regarding Jon’s contributions to Journey, I love the songs written in his era. Even more so, perhaps, than the pre-’81 songs (which IS kind of dated). BUT, it is the “voice” that sells the songs (at least for me). AND, SP was a co-writer for every one of those songs but Faithfully. On the ROR documentary dvd, the most memorable quote of Jon’s was: “I just knew if I can get in the right band, with the right voice, I could make it in this business … and that’s exactly what has happened.”

The way I look at it is .. it was SP’s voice that made the Journey sound. Jon wrote to, and still writes to, that voice. So, no, Jon Cain was not what made Journey.
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Good Lord! I was half asleep when I hit that link. :lol:
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:41 pm

Rhiannon wrote:
Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Jon Cain is responsible for everyone's conception? :shock:
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Postby Jana » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:07 pm

Hate to rain on your parade, Tito. The Perry/Schon/Cain/ and also Rolie (for a while) combo is why we are all here. The collaboration in song writing with a stunning voice is what makes a band great if you have the talent, which this band did. It's the sum of all parts.

So elevating Jonathan Cain "aint gonna" work. None of them had as much success without the other, which has been repeated ad nauseum on here, because it's the truth. Though, obviously Steve P. had success on his solo albums and Neal and Jon had some success too. Having said that, I'm still so glad Neal, Jon, Ross and Deen (whom I love) have a great passion to still keep going. I'm happy they found Steve Augeri to continue to be able to perform live. And I like Arrival. There's some really good music on that album. I'm so glad they found Arnel to re-energize the band with a great powerful voice. There's still life left in this band yet, which they're still amazing on stage. Neal's the man on his guitar :lol:. Revelation shows they can still make a good album.

Life goes on. The history of bands is most stay together for a finite period of time, usually in their twenties/early thirties and have a lot of drive and creativity and each band creates their own sound and amazing music and then begins the power plays, burnout, drug addiction, and a host of others reasons and they disband.

God, I'm rambling. I'm boring myself. I forgot what the subject was. Oh, subject, Tito get over your Jonathan Cain be all end all for Journey. The end.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:16 pm

Jana wrote:Hate to rain on your parade, Tito. The Perry/Schon/Cain/ and also Rolie (for a while) combo is why we are all here. The collaberation in song writing with a stunning voice is what makes a band great if you have the talent, which this band did. It's the sum of all parts.

So elevating Jonathan Cain "aint gonna" work. None of them had as much success without the other, which has been repeated ad nauseum on here, because it's the truth. Though, obviously Steve P. had success on his solo albums and Neal and Jon had some success too. Having said that, I'm still so glad Neal, Jon, Ross and Deen (whom I love) have a great passion to still keep going. I'm happy they found Steve Augeri to continue to be able to perform live. And I like Arrival. There's some really good music on that album. I'm so glad they found Arnel to re-energize the band with a great powerful voice. There's still life left in this band yet, which they're still amazing on stage. Neal's the man on his guitar :lol:. Revelation shows they can still make a good album.

Life goes on. The history of bands is most stay together for a finite period of time, usually in their twenties/early thirties and have a lot of drive and creativity and each band creates their own sound and amazing music and then begins the power plays, burnout, drug addiction, and a host of others reasons and they disband.

God, I'm rambling. I'm boring myself. I forgot what the subject was. Oh, subject, Tito get over your Jonathan Cain be all end all for Journey. The end.
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Postby Don » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:50 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Jana wrote:Hate to rain on your parade, Tito. The Perry/Schon/Cain/ and also Rolie (for a while) combo is why we are all here. The collaberation in song writing with a stunning voice is what makes a band great if you have the talent, which this band did. It's the sum of all parts.

So elevating Jonathan Cain "aint gonna" work. None of them had as much success without the other, which has been repeated ad nauseum on here, because it's the truth. Though, obviously Steve P. had success on his solo albums and Neal and Jon had some success too. Having said that, I'm still so glad Neal, Jon, Ross and Deen (whom I love) have a great passion to still keep going. I'm happy they found Steve Augeri to continue to be able to perform live. And I like Arrival. There's some really good music on that album. I'm so glad they found Arnel to re-energize the band with a great powerful voice. There's still life left in this band yet, which they're still amazing on stage. Neal's the man on his guitar :lol:. Revelation shows they can still make a good album.

Life goes on. The history of bands is most stay together for a finite period of time, usually in their twenties/early thirties and have a lot of drive and creativity and each band creates their own sound and amazing music and then begins the power plays, burnout, drug addiction, and a host of others reasons and they disband.

God, I'm rambling. I'm boring myself. I forgot what the subject was. Oh, subject, Tito get over your Jonathan Cain be all end all for Journey. The end.
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Postby Rick » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:56 pm

Rhiannon wrote:
Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Jon Cain is responsible for everyone's conception? :shock:


Just the immaculate ones. :lol:
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:23 pm

Rick wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
Tito wrote:Thank god for Jon Cain. No offense to the early stuff and Rolie era, but highly doubt we would be here if it was just the catalog up to 1980. The Cain era is why we are all here.


Jon Cain is responsible for everyone's conception? :shock:


Just the immaculate ones. :lol:
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